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RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Fri Jan 16, 2015 6:53 pm

Hi,

When RouterOS v7 beta1 is gonna to be released?
 
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Tue Jan 20, 2015 9:06 pm

we all are interested too
 
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Fri Jan 23, 2015 1:39 am

Same here....we are starting to think v7 is a unicorn :D
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Fri Jan 23, 2015 10:56 am

Same here....we are starting to think v7 is a unicorn :D
a magical unicorn ;)
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Sun Jan 25, 2015 8:36 am

Be patient guys!
I'm sure they work on it but let's wait for their news.
Don't pus them, they should work without our pressure to make it good ^_^
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:00 pm

I wish it was true. Experience says that we will need to betatest and request the connections during next two years after first stable release to get really working ros. Anyway I am looking forward.
 
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Sat Jan 31, 2015 1:36 pm

Hello friends,

Someone had news about the V7 release date?
 
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Mon Feb 02, 2015 12:28 pm

As normis said here
Sometimes versions are released sooner if there is a critical issue that needs to be resolved. Sometimes we work on a bigger change, so version takes longer.

v7 is currently in internal testing, and will be released as beta when it's stable enough
So no exact date for us.
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Mon Feb 02, 2015 7:08 pm

Mikrotik people never give dates as they are not able to fulfil any given date. Their official answer is "when it will be then it will be". Take it or leave it. I just live with that as with exogenous fact.
 
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Mon Feb 02, 2015 8:45 pm

Mikrotik people never give dates as they are not able to fulfil any given date. Their official answer is "when it will be then it will be". Take it or leave it. I just live with that as with exogenous fact.
Really accurate and truthful description :)
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Tue Feb 03, 2015 12:05 am

Mikrotik people never give dates as they are not able to fulfil any given date. Their official answer is "when it will be then it will be". Take it or leave it. I just live with that as with exogenous fact.
Really accurate and truthful description :)
It's better to not publish a deadline if it's not sure that it could be honored.

It's even better to release 7.0 beta 1 tomorrow! :-) :-)



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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Tue Feb 03, 2015 6:55 pm

Whats the point of a beta if you don't release it, beta's are meant to be unstable. Release the beta, and start getting broad input early.

Not like they're asking when v7 Final or even RC will be out but beta, for all we know there cud be 900 beta releases before rc1
 
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Fri Feb 06, 2015 6:30 am

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In that forum we don`t like smiles! :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Fri Feb 06, 2015 10:12 am

We will release a beta, when it will exist. Currently v7 is in alpha stage, many functions are not completed and non functional. Beta needs at least all functions to be somewhat operational.
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Sun Feb 22, 2015 7:10 am

Thanks normis, understood is their a timeline/roadmap for when you guys think you'll reach feature complete for beta? Or even a feature list for what your planning to implement, i mean right now all the forum seems to be is a wishlist.

Things like proper DHCPv6 with radius and other v6 stuff that don't match up with the v4 counterparts sort of are forcing some of us into chosing between investing in MT now for large deployments knowing that the v6 features are coming, and just going another way (cisco etc) which i personally would rather not do.
 
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fq_codel in 7.0?

Sat Mar 07, 2015 8:10 am

Have you got fq_codel working yet in 7.0?

I have done fq_codel backports (where needed) for several manufacturers at this point, and can help out - I also do things like BQL - and I would really like to get some performance numbers out of it + sqm-scripts on your higher end hardware, when your next version of the OS arrives.

We hit a pretty hard shaping limit on a lot of lower end gear at about 60Mbits of HTB, (the fq_codel part is nearly invisible to the cpu, but HTB, oh, my!), and the market, at least in the US, is migrating to 110Mbits of needed inbound shaping on comcast's deployment to cut inbound latencies from about 600ms to 10ms, under load.

I keep hoping to find an off-the shelf solution for my userbase that works as well as 110mbit as it does at 50mbit.

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Re: fq_codel in 7.0?

Fri Mar 13, 2015 6:06 am

Have you got fq_codel working yet in 7.0?
Hey -- you wrote one of the RFCs here! :P Awesome!


+1 for fq_codel. This is one of the ~only things significantly holding back our RouterOS userbase.

We have to significantly throttle bandwidth to preserve some highly interactive apps at peak throughput. fq_codel would be of *huge* benefit to us!
 
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:47 pm

I just wish MT was more open with the 7.0 development, i'm really silently praying that MUM March they start to announce some things. I mean even just a "what we have working so far" "whats we want to work" " what we plan to fix in 7" something...

I mean are we looking at mid-late 2015 or 2018 lol

There's a number of blockers that everyone's aware of,
1gigabit tcp stream limit due to it being non-threaded
DHCP RADIUS Accounting
fq_codel support
lldp support
ipv6 NAT64/DNS64/6rd/Radius... pretty much everything beyond the basic bare minimum :)
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:15 pm

Would like to know as last post.. Mikrotik.. are we talking 4 weeks or 4 years?
Please lets us know any information..

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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Tue Mar 31, 2015 9:50 pm

I just wish MT was more open with the 7.0 development,
yes, PLEASE make RouterOS opensource or create quality SDK. I'll bet there are a lot of good programmers who can help make RouterOS better.
 
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Tue Mar 31, 2015 9:57 pm

I just wish MT was more open with the 7.0 development,
yes, PLEASE make RouterOS opensource or create quality SDK. I'll bet there are a lot of good programmers who can help make RouterOS better.
I'm pretty sure that's not what cchance meant, and besides... It's totally not in MikroTik's interest to close down one of their two primary revenue streams (the other being RouterBoard devices).

The ability to create additional modules with some sort of an SDK would be nice though. I can already think of several scripting related features I could implement myself, if given such access (think commands and menus related to manipulating variable data; akin to ":pick", ":find", etc.).
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Wed Apr 22, 2015 6:35 pm

LOL ya poor wording on my part when i said "open" i didn't mean open source, i just meant more open with roadmap/featureplans/timelines for the beta.
 
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Sun Jan 10, 2016 5:24 pm

2016 is up!
When?
 
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Sun Jan 10, 2016 8:57 pm

looking forward to EU MUM 2016 :D
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Mon Jan 11, 2016 4:06 am

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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

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Chupaka CU at the MUM ;)
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Wed Jan 13, 2016 3:19 pm

Chupaka CU at the MUM ;)
seems like I won't be there :( I can't find affordable plane tickets from Minsk to Ljubljana. 500 euro is a bit expensive
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Wed Feb 17, 2016 6:26 pm

I heard they are releasing v7 beta second half of this year... :D
 
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Sat Apr 16, 2016 7:27 am

I heard they are releasing v7 beta second half of this year... :D
That are just rumors.
Nobody knows when exactly, even developers.
Lot of things are ready but they need to hunt unpredictable number of bugs before it can reach good enough to be shown.
Sadly they don't wish to publish any news on progress(not even asking for timeline, just bit of news how it goes).
Also they currently work on 6x branch too so they don't fully focus on 7x.
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Mon Apr 18, 2016 10:55 am

But we like to hunt bugs in new firmwares! :)
 
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Mon Apr 18, 2016 11:08 am

I prefer ultra-stable 6.66
than new software to debug from 0

What 7.x can have than is impossible to get from 6.x ???
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Mon Apr 18, 2016 11:57 am

What 7.x can have than is impossible to get from 6.x ???
Several IPv6 features, at the current state iBGP for IPv6 is unusable.
 
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Mon Apr 18, 2016 1:19 pm

What 7.x can have than is impossible to get from 6.x ???
Off the top of my head:

- New IPSEC with IKEv2 support
- Proper VRF support
- Ability for router services (WinBox, SSH, WebMin) to be available inside VRF's
- OSPFv3 recursive next-hop fixes
- MPLS Fast Re-Route
- Improved MPLS logging
- VPNv6 support
- MPLS label per VRF rather than per prefix
- ARP PVLAN Mode
- Route filtering improved speed and granularity
- Route processing improved speed
- BGP Route Reflector mode, e.g. Routes never enter the FIB.
- Ability to view route types other than IPv4/IPv6. e.g. VPNv4, VPNv6, L2VPN
- Ability to view advertised/received routes on BGP PE-CE sessions (inside a VRF)
- Routing filter action "Update Address List" which adds/removes matching prefixes from an address list
- VXLAN support
- IGMP Proxy
- VRF aware multicast routing
- 802.11ac Spectral-Scan
- Bridge filter action "FastTrack"
- Netflow contains AS info
- Support for a large number of LTE cards
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Mon Apr 18, 2016 4:44 pm

- Routing filter action "Update Address List" which adds/removes matching prefixes from an address list
oh my gosh! :shock: shut up and take my money!
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Mon Apr 18, 2016 5:46 pm

Missing on the list:

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Mon Apr 18, 2016 10:26 pm

Missing on the list:

BGP MIB for SNMP
Community Filtering by Regex
Both have been promised and would be wonderful.
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Mon Apr 18, 2016 10:37 pm

- Routing filter action "Update Address List" which adds/removes matching prefixes from an address list
oh my gosh! :shock: shut up and take my money!
+1 - then it would be easy to use an IP reputation vendor's BGP feed to automatically update an IP filter in real time.
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Mon Apr 18, 2016 11:21 pm

What 7.x can have than is impossible to get from 6.x ???
Off the top of my head:

- New IPSEC with IKEv2 support
- Proper VRF support
- Ability for router services (WinBox, SSH, WebMin) to be available inside VRF's
- OSPFv3 recursive next-hop fixes
- MPLS Fast Re-Route
- Improved MPLS logging
- VPNv6 support
- MPLS label per VRF rather than per prefix
- ARP PVLAN Mode
- Route filtering improved speed and granularity
- Route processing improved speed
- BGP Route Reflector mode, e.g. Routes never enter the FIB.
- Ability to view route types other than IPv4/IPv6. e.g. VPNv4, VPNv6, L2VPN
- Ability to view advertised/received routes on BGP PE-CE sessions (inside a VRF)
- Routing filter action "Update Address List" which adds/removes matching prefixes from an address list
- VXLAN support
- IGMP Proxy
- VRF aware multicast routing
- 802.11ac Spectral-Scan
- Bridge filter action "FastTrack"
- Netflow contains AS info
- Support for a large number of LTE cards
And why that can not be done on 6.x?
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Tue Apr 19, 2016 12:16 am

I think the fact that 6.x uses an old Linux kernel is the main thing behind a lot of this.

Also, I think a major overhaul of the routing protocols is being done for ROSv7. For instance, it seems that currently, BGP pretty much uses the FIB to store its data, and juggles the active/inactive state of routes that it picks... as opposed to keeping a separate table for BGP and dumping the winning routes down into the FIB. I've come across a few oddities resulting from this behavior, and I think that they're probably redoing BGP to use its own table separate from the FIB, which makes me smile - but something like this probably requires quite an overhaul. Also, the fact that BGP can't multithread in the tile platform is pretty freakin' broken. I know lots of folks on here are chomping at the bit for a threaded BGP process that can benefit from more cores.

Hopefully IPv6 gets lots of love in ROSv7. I know lots of people here are dying to have a NAT table in IPv6 (and what a holy war THAT discussion is)
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Tue Apr 19, 2016 1:00 am

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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Tue Apr 19, 2016 3:08 am

How is there still no 7.0 news or alpha
 
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Tue Apr 19, 2016 10:20 am

How is there still no 7.0 news or alpha
Because 7.0 news or alpha are not ready, yet.
 
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Tue Apr 19, 2016 12:10 pm

+1 - then it would be easy to use an IP reputation vendor's BGP feed to automatically update an IP filter in real time.
That's a good idea!

There are many uses for this functionality.

We are planning to use it so we can advertise ranges with communities via ExaBGP to our Route Reflectors. Our Border Routers will then update address lists from the BGP communities and we can then queue traffic differently for each list.
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Tue Apr 19, 2016 12:36 pm

And why that can not be done on 6.x?
I guess it can... but at a price of breaking something existing so severely so it is just logical to change version numbering from 6 to 7...

Actually, that's how software development is usually done overall. :)
 
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Tue Apr 19, 2016 5:03 pm

+1 - then it would be easy to use an IP reputation vendor's BGP feed to automatically update an IP filter in real time.
That's a good idea!

There are many uses for this functionality.

We are planning to use it so we can advertise ranges with communities via ExaBGP to our Route Reflectors. Our Border Routers will then update address lists from the BGP communities and we can then queue traffic differently for each list.
In fact, I was quite sure that "add prefix to address list" was already an option and I set out to implement this one day. I started to configure the route filters and was genuinely surprised when I didn't find this action - it seemed like such a simple but powerful way to distribute IP policy that OBVIOUSLY it was already in there, right?

I was also surprised when I couldn't find "next hop address" as a matcher....
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Tue May 24, 2016 8:18 pm

I think you should name it RouterOS 10 or RouterOS X already.( and implement UDP and LZO in ovpn) ;-)
 
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Wed May 25, 2016 11:40 am

I think you should name it RouterOS 10 or RouterOS X already.( and implement UDP and LZO in ovpn) ;-)
Mikrotik have already confirmed UDP support for OpenVPN is coming in RouterOS v7.
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Wed May 25, 2016 2:59 pm

Mikrotik have already confirmed UDP support for OpenVPN is coming in RouterOS v7.
The issue is not "what exciting features will v7 have" or "in which version will (some feature) be available".
The issue is "when will v7 be released as beta".
 
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Wed May 25, 2016 5:32 pm

6.xx release candidates are not released daily anymore, could this be a sign that 7.0 is ready?

Cross your fingers and fasten your seatbelts.
 
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Thu May 26, 2016 2:26 am

Mikrotik have already confirmed UDP support for OpenVPN is coming in RouterOS v7.
The issue is not "what exciting features will v7 have" or "in which version will (some feature) be available".
The issue is "when will v7 be released as beta".

Indeed, also I am lost, what is confirmed and what won't be implemented, because I swear I saw info somewhere that ovpn will not have any new features implemented!
 
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Thu May 26, 2016 8:24 am

You all know that even mikrotik doesn't know when and what will be done. More than that they normally don't know even if it will be done. There is only one valid and relevant answer you can get from them: when it will be then it will be. Due to that all speculations are useless.
 
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Thu May 26, 2016 10:48 am

6.xx release candidates are not released daily anymore, could this be a sign that 7.0 is ready?

Cross your fingers and fasten your seatbelts.
That would be great!
Talks about it have gone on for a long time... it is often not a good idea to put so much announced functionality
in a new version because even when it is very good it can still be a disappointment.
 
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Thu May 26, 2016 10:52 am

Indeed, also I am lost, what is confirmed and what won't be implemented, because I swear I saw info somewhere that ovpn will not have any new features implemented!
Fortunately I am not waiting for OpenVPN changes. I don't use it on MikroTik routers.
However, I sort of smell that there are issues with OpenVPN on closed source platforms. I have had a router from
another manufacturer that introduced OpenVPN at some time, and in a later version it suddenly disappeared without
good explanation. Maybe the OpenVPN developers are not to keen on seeing their product in closed source
environments? It could be that MikroTik is doing their own development of a compatible implementation, and that
this explains why it is so hard to just align the OpenVPN in 6.35 with the current state of open-source OpenVPN...
 
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Thu May 26, 2016 10:59 am

OpenVPN is not the reason v7 is not out yet :)
New kernel and routing are.
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Thu May 26, 2016 11:09 am

OpenVPN is not the reason v7 is not out yet :)
New kernel and routing are.
I understand that, but there must be some reason why OpenVPN is not updated in the 6.x version despite the
thousands of requests to do so. When RouterOS is running a more-or-less standard OpenVPN internally, I see
no reason why often-requested features of OpenVPN could not be added to the 6.x version. They don't
require a new kernel or different routing.
There is always the issue of "how much work to we spend on 6.x that we better spend on 7.0" but when such
a new version remains a myth for several years it does not help both the users and the manufacturer.
 
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Thu May 26, 2016 11:12 am

I have heard that it is very hard to work on, and nobody likes it for that. But OpenVPN UDP support has been made in v7.
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Thanks normis for confirming that. :)
 
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Sat May 28, 2016 6:06 pm

I think there is a risk that RouterOS v7 will go into the Windows Vista scenario.

Remember, after Windows XP was released we heard the endless stories about how the "Longhorn" version
would change everything and it would be the Windows version we should all look forward to.
But it was postponed time after time, and when it was no longer tolerable to postpone it more the "innovative features"
we heard about all the time were quickly ripped out to gain time, and the product was released as Windows Vista,
arguably the biggest disappointment ever in Windows releases.

Not only because some of the features had been stripped out, but also because expectations had grown skyhigh
during the long wait. MikroTik, please try to avoid this situation (if still possible).
 
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Mon May 30, 2016 12:29 pm

[...] and the product was released as Windows Vista, arguably the biggest disappointment ever in Windows releases [...]
The comparison isn't appropriate. There has ever been a stable and good windows release?
 
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Mon May 30, 2016 12:40 pm

Easy solution - do not make any expectations :)

We have already posted from time to time, that the biggest change is under the hood (minor kernel upgrade). There is no new GUI or anything. We are also working on a new routing engine.

Actually we are making really cool stuff even in v6. Look at the recent RC versions - interface lists, domain lists for firewall, repeater mode etc.
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Mon May 30, 2016 1:32 pm

Easy solution - do not make any expectations :)

We have already posted from time to time, that the biggest change is under the hood (minor kernel upgrade). There is no new GUI or anything. We are also working on a new routing engine.

Actually we are making really cool stuff even in v6. Look at the recent RC versions - interface lists, domain lists for firewall, repeater mode etc.
Do the domain lists for firewall resolve only once or do they resolve at the ttl of the record?

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Mon May 30, 2016 1:39 pm

ttl record
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Mon May 30, 2016 5:17 pm

I must have missed the announcement of domain lists. That should be very helpful for people who want to block YouTube.
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Mon May 30, 2016 11:39 pm

I must have missed the announcement of domain lists
the same thing here. Normis, could you add changes to the top or bottom of the changelist, not in the middle? :)
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Tue May 31, 2016 10:46 am

It looks like a cool feature! Are there operational limits to the number of IP addresses that the domain name returns?
It could be tempting to setup a domain name with a blocklist of known "intruders" and have several routers query
that domain name to adjust the firewall, but of course there are limits to the number of A records in a DNS reply
over UDP, it will have to do the query in TCP mode, and even then there may be buffers in your implementation
that limit the number of addresses actually processed. Depending on the actual limit, the feature may be more
or less useful for that purpose.
 
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Tue May 31, 2016 10:57 am

It looks like a cool feature! Are there operational limits to the number of IP addresses that the domain name returns?
It could be tempting to setup a domain name with a blocklist of known "intruders" and have several routers query
that domain name to adjust the firewall, but of course there are limits to the number of A records in a DNS reply
over UDP, it will have to do the query in TCP mode, and even then there may be buffers in your implementation
that limit the number of addresses actually processed. Depending on the actual limit, the feature may be more
or less useful for that purpose.
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Tue May 31, 2016 11:43 am

no
I created a domain name with 1789 addresses and added it as an address list.
Indeed the router (in this case a CHR) processes it OK, but my browser gets in trouble when visiting the address list
page after that.

This is something that maybe needs to be looked at, it also causes problems when opening the "connections" page
when 2000 connections are active. It requires a good browser and a lot of memory. Maybe there could be some
limit on the number of lines displayed in such tables?
 
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Tue May 31, 2016 11:45 am

It requires a good browser and a lot of memory. Maybe there could be some
limit on the number of lines displayed in such tables?
Well wouldn't the browser get into trouble if any other DNS server replied with so many results? I don't think something like that is common.
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Tue May 31, 2016 11:54 am

It requires a good browser and a lot of memory. Maybe there could be some
limit on the number of lines displayed in such tables?
Well wouldn't the browser get into trouble if any other DNS server replied with so many results? I don't think something like that is common.
No, the browser is not making the DNS query! I added a domain name to the address list, the router resolves that,
and as a result it inserts 1789 rules in the address list. So far it works fine. However, when I visit the address list
page in WebFig, the resulting table on the screen is so large that the browser gets in trouble processing that table.

I see this also when I open the Connections list at work on a router which has 250 mobile users all doing NAT.
The connections table normally has like 2000 entries and when I visit that tab, the processor is 100% loaded and
the browser allocates lots of memory.

Maybe there could be some system setting for a maximum number of rows displayed on such a page, default
unlimited, that I could set to 1000 or so to limit the number of rows (and the final row would be something like
"nnn more rows not shown due to row limit" or so).

In this area I have another enhancement request: a "freeze" icon that appears on any dynamic page that stops the
updating on that page (timers, counters) that one can click when studying such a page and not wanting the continuous
data traffic that such a page incurs.
 
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Wed Jun 01, 2016 2:05 am

domain lists for firewall
please check dynamic entries with domain name. they count down to 0s and stay here forever :)
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domain lists for firewall
please check dynamic entries with domain name. they count down to 0s and stay here forever :)
I don't see that behavior here! The dynamic entries show no timeout value, they are apparently directly managed
by the parent entry and it uses the DNS TTL as timeout. Maybe you have explicity assigned a timeout?
 
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I don't see that behavior here! The dynamic entries show no timeout value, they are apparently directly managed
by the parent entry and it uses the DNS TTL as timeout. Maybe you have explicity assigned a timeout?
add entry with timeout and address=IP-address. it will count to 0s and disappear. now add entry with timeout and address=some.domain. time will go to 0s and entry will stay in list. that's the point
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Thu Jun 02, 2016 11:08 am

They are switching to FreeBSD, it takes time! ;)
 
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They are switching to FreeBSD, it takes time! ;)
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The last info i got is that is not right
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Fri Jun 03, 2016 4:44 pm

I don't recall if it was earlier in this thread or in some other thread, but I seem to recall Normis saying that v7 included a "minor kernel update"
Switching to a BSD kernel would be pretty major...
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Mon Jun 06, 2016 5:19 pm

I have heard that it is very hard to work on, and nobody likes it for that. But OpenVPN UDP support has been made in v7.
Awesome! I've always wondering why v6 didn't support UDP on OpenVPN...afaik, almost nobody uses TCP-based OpenVPN on Linux.
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Mon Jun 06, 2016 6:00 pm

Anyway is there a ballpark figure of how long will it take to publish the first releases, or is still wildly unknown?

Is Mikrotik trying to surprise us all releasing it suddenly, or are they going to announce it?

My routers are still crying for the IPv6 workarounds (I imported the full BGP view into OSPF because of the address recursion problems, and it is not wise to have such a giant OSPF routing table).
 
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Mon Jun 06, 2016 6:04 pm

I expect that mikrotik will announce it on some mum at the time when it will be ready in rc stage. So it will be very sudden surprise.
 
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Tue Jun 07, 2016 12:08 pm

They are switching to FreeBSD, it takes time! ;)
Is this true??
Just kidding!

Whatever they use, I am really itching to see what they're up to!
 
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Tue Jun 07, 2016 7:44 pm

Easy solution - do not make any expectations :)

We have already posted from time to time, that the biggest change is under the hood (minor kernel upgrade). There is no new GUI or anything. We are also working on a new routing engine.

Actually we are making really cool stuff even in v6. Look at the recent RC versions - interface lists, domain lists for firewall, repeater mode etc.
1. There are any plans igmp snooping in the seventh version ros ???
2. License the fourth version include only the sixth version of ros, have to buy a new license ??
 
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Tue Jun 07, 2016 10:28 pm

2. License the fourth version include only the sixth version of ros, have to buy a new license ??
No, there is no need to buy a new license. That restriction has been eliminated ~2 years ago. Check the wiki.
 
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Wed Jun 08, 2016 1:25 am

For more than 3 years I'm waiting for v7 as I really need IPv6 NAT and this feature is there since 3.9.0 Linux kernel (but v6 has 3.3.5).

I have small LAN and my provider gives me IPv6 /64 network, but I'm not able to use it in my internal infrastructure yet (I have few routed LANs with UTP and WiFi).

Also I have bigger LAN, where I do NAT for IPv4 and when something change, I'm not able to fix IPv6 at the same time as IPv4, as I have no NAT for IPv6. This drives me crazy and is a showstopper why to not deploy IPv6 at every place it could be (until RouterOS with IPv6 NAT). Also this is a reason why to not use/suggest Mikrotik at all.
 
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Wed Jun 08, 2016 2:26 am

For more than 3 years I'm waiting for v7 as I really need IPv6 NAT and this feature is there since 3.9.0 Linux kernel (but v6 has 3.3.5).
Just a small advice: if you need NAT on IPv6 you are doing something wrong...
 
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That is needed id NAT64 to be able to go 100% IPv6. This is for translating from IPv6 to IPv4 for 100% IPv6 clients.
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Wed Jun 08, 2016 11:14 am

I have small LAN and my provider gives me IPv6 /64 network, but I'm not able to use it in my internal infrastructure yet (I have few routed LANs with UTP and WiFi).

Also I have bigger LAN, where I do NAT for IPv4 and when something change, I'm not able to fix IPv6 at the same time as IPv4, as I have no NAT for IPv6. This drives me crazy and is a showstopper why to not deploy IPv6 at every place it could be (until RouterOS with IPv6 NAT). Also this is a reason why to not use/suggest Mikrotik at all.
You need to talk to your provider. This is insane! We certainly need to avoid getting NAT everywhere for reasons
like that. I get a /48 from my provider on a consumer connection, which can be argued to be a bit large, but any
provider should at least give a /60 or /56 to a customer that has a (home) router.
/64 can only be reasonably given to e.g. a rack in a colocation environment where the provider does the routing.
 
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Mon Jun 20, 2016 5:45 pm

Easy solution - do not make any expectations :)

We have already posted from time to time, that the biggest change is under the hood (minor kernel upgrade). There is no new GUI or anything. We are also working on a new routing engine.

Actually we are making really cool stuff even in v6. Look at the recent RC versions - interface lists, domain lists for firewall, repeater mode etc.
There are any plans igmp snooping in the seventh version ros ???


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question must necessarily be repeated 2 times ???
can be answered yes or no , and not throw the link .
I need a clear answer as to what version of it will work .
response when normal will operate IPTV , I still have not seen
 
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Mon Jun 20, 2016 7:38 pm

That is needed id NAT64 to be able to go 100% IPv6. This is for translating from IPv6 to IPv4 for 100% IPv6 clients.
both NAT6to4, NAT4to6 and even NAT6to6 was pretty common requests actuallyl aswell as differnt (not only by name, but design)implementations of Dual stack.
as for kernel - moving to fBSD would be COOL(routers wise), but unlikely, especially considering dependance on processors SDK and toolchain, which isn't so good over there(non-existent for some vendors).
DragonFlyBSD would be even better, btw, especially CCR-wise(its scale as hell to both on many-core and multi-core hosts and routers - difference is overhelming. i used to enjoy other portions in it, like HAMMERFSv2 and other stuff, simply impossible in other OS'es, thus.
 
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Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:38 pm

question must necessarily be repeated 2 times ???
can be answered yes or no , and not throw the link .
I need a clear answer as to what version of it will work .
response when normal will operate IPTV , I still have not seen
Answer is in the second post.
 
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Answer is in the second post.
is not the answer , it is an evasion .
More specifically , you can ?
 
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why not answer my question ?
 
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Sat Jul 16, 2016 4:05 pm

Any news about v7 ? I understand that the mikrotik staff can't give an exact date. I would like to know at least if it will be released this year (2016) or not ?
 
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11.01.2016:
-> It definitely will be released this year
13.06.2016:
Can we still expect v7 this year?
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patrick7, how do you know ? You aren't from staff
 
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Ehm, Support Ticket?
 
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I bought an MC7355 6+ months ago to use as a cell modem. Your page claims it will be in v7, but that still hasn't come out yet. When can I expect to be able to use it? It doesn't even show up in the USB list, let alone the "/interface lte" menu.

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I have heard that it is very hard to work on, and nobody likes it for that. But OpenVPN UDP support has been made in v7.
OMG. I feel the fires of hell.
 
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I bought an MC7355 6+ months ago to use as a cell modem. Your page claims it will be in v7, but that still hasn't come out yet. When can I expect to be able to use it? It doesn't even show up in the USB list, let alone the "/interface lte" menu.

Thanks.
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Hi, guys!

I'm Max from Argentina and new in this forum.

I bought one month ago (like other members) a Sierra Wireless AirPrime MC7355 4G Mini PCI-E card for my basebox 5 and I thought that the OS 7 is already released because I read on the "Hardware Compatibility" page that the MC73xx is compatible with that version. My surprise was when I noticed that the os7 is not released yet and neither there are an RC or beta version :(.

I seen that We are several users waiting for the arriving of the new version.

Thanks by the space for our expression and questions.

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I bought an MC7355 6+ months ago to use as a cell modem. Your page claims it will be in v7, but that still hasn't come out yet. When can I expect to be able to use it? It doesn't even show up in the USB list, let alone the "/interface lte" menu.

Thanks.
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I know but I'm waiting for lte
 
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Fri Aug 26, 2016 4:04 pm

I would prefer PPP on my Huawei sticks because LTE introduces yet another layer of NAT.
 
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Sun Aug 28, 2016 12:47 am

But using ppp is slowing you to 20-30mbps
 
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Sun Aug 28, 2016 12:19 pm

But using ppp is slowing you to 20-30mbps
I have no problem with that. Realistically the speed is not much more than that anyway.
Remember the advertised speed is the aggregate speed for all users on that access point.
 
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Sun Aug 28, 2016 12:33 pm

Sure but there are some places in Poland you can get 75 Mbps easly.
 
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Sun Aug 28, 2016 5:52 pm

Sure but there are some places in Poland you can get 75 Mbps easly.
I would still prefer not having NAT. Unfortunately on the Huawei E3372 sticks that I use it is very difficult to switch between LTE and PPP, otherwise I would do it.

I don't see why the stick has to have NAT to use the LTE interface. In earlier 2G and 3G sticks there were similar interfaces and they worked
just like an ethernet interface with DHCP. Should be possible with LTE as well.
(note this is not a MikroTik gripe, the problem is in the "Hilink" firmware of the Huawei stick)
 
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Sun Aug 28, 2016 5:56 pm

Best one would be an e3372 with bridge mode possible ... but there isn't.
 
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Fri Sep 16, 2016 10:35 am

We will release a beta, when it will exist. Currently v7 is in alpha stage, many functions are not completed and non functional. Beta needs at least all functions to be somewhat operational.
Right.
Any chance to get (even in early Alpha) one minimal V7 release, just to test the installation/booting capabilities on a j1900 Atom board? (x86).
It has taken me a while to figure out a way to install 6.x on it, as the USB gets disconnected as soon as the kernel drivers take over.
At least, if you provide me access to your currently used kernel source code so I can compile it and run it on that beast (Probably with an alpine OS base).

I really just want to make sure that when it is release it will run on that hardware of mine :}
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:00 am

At least, if you provide me access to your currently used kernel source code so I can compile it and run it on that beast (Probably with an alpine OS base).

I really just want to make sure that when it is release it will run on that hardware of mine :}
Thx.
RouterOS v7 will use a 4.4 or newer kernel as a base. If 4.4 or newer boots on J1900 than chances are RouterOS v7 will boot and work.
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Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:10 am

If 4.4 or newer boots on J1900 than chances are RouterOS v7 will boot and work.
Of course it does not only depend on the kernel version number but also on the kernel configuration options used
at compile time. We cannot know what drivers MikroTik include in the compile, we only know that it is not all of them.
 
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:28 am

At least, if you provide me access to your currently used kernel source code so I can compile it and run it on that beast (Probably with an alpine OS base).

I really just want to make sure that when it is release it will run on that hardware of mine :}
Thx.
RouterOS v7 will use a 4.4 or newer kernel as a base. If 4.4 or newer boots on J1900 than chances are RouterOS v7 will boot and work.
This I know. I have This device: http://hamsing.com/product/html/?39.html - and managed to install routerOS 6.36.3 on it. Only I have no usage of any USB ports after the kernel takes over.
The network interfaces works though. And because that box has no Serial-Port, I have no console access at all to it.
I managed to also run this system very fine using a 3.16.0 / Debian Jessie 8.5 and had no problems at all. Even installing from CDRom worked fine (Using UEFI device).
On the other hand, I am unable to install any RedHat/CentOS 5.x or 6.x system, as the USB gets disconnected as soon as the kernel takes over, disconnecting the CDRom drive and preventing the installer to load additional data. ClearOS also fails (even though I tried Legacy and UEFI boot methods). Didn't try CentOS/RedHat 7 yet... Will try Ubuntu Server 16.04 LTS next.

Most of the time where the installation works, is when I do it using netinstall (after initial system and ramfilesystem are loaded, the rest is done over network), or when using UEFI boot mode (Even if I also have seen it fail). Netinstall does not require USB, while with UEFI sometimes, the USB still works after kernel takes over.
 
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:29 am

If 4.4 or newer boots on J1900 than chances are RouterOS v7 will boot and work.
Of course it does not only depend on the kernel version number but also on the kernel configuration options used
at compile time. We cannot know what drivers MikroTik include in the compile, we only know that it is not all of them.
This is why I asked for the kernel source and configuration file. That way, I could test and make a running kernel (eventually also identifying what went wrong - if it went wrong ;) ).
 
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Fri Sep 16, 2016 1:02 pm

Maybe wait until v7 beta is out, and if there are any issues with your specific hardware you can work with support to get the relevant drivers added at that point.
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Fri Sep 16, 2016 2:26 pm

Maybe wait until v7 beta is out, and if there are any issues with your specific hardware you can work with support to get the relevant drivers added at that point.
This - I will definitely do :) Hopefully it comes out before I get my Fiber connection :D
 
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Fri Sep 16, 2016 5:34 pm

Maybe wait until v7 beta is out, and if there are any issues with your specific hardware you can work with support to get the relevant drivers added at that point.
You keep thinking that the version 7 is published?
 
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Sat Sep 17, 2016 1:11 pm

Maybe wait until v7 beta is out, and if there are any issues with your specific hardware you can work with support to get the relevant drivers added at that point.
You keep thinking that the version 7 is published?
No. When it comes out.
 
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:43 am

Now it is December 1 and version 7 beta is not even a comma ... Does not Mikrotik? :(
It looks like the end of the world?
 
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Fri Dec 02, 2016 3:17 am

What's wrong with December 1? :)
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Fri Dec 02, 2016 11:24 am

Maybe next summer. I don't think anyone promised December 1st :)
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Fri Dec 02, 2016 11:29 am

Maybe next summer. I don't think anyone promised December 1st :)
Not 1st of december, but 2016... See ticket 2016010866000027.
Waiting would be much easier if mikrotik would provide additional information about v7 (screenshots, a list with fixed bugs, roadmap, any status update about the progress, etc...).
At the moment the only thing MikroTik tells us is "it's done when it's done". And that for more than 3 years, with serious bugs in v6 which MikroTik refuses to fix because "it is fixed in v7".
 
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Fri Dec 02, 2016 11:33 am

Your ticket.

Question from you: "Will it still be end of the year? :)"

Support answer: "I cannot tell you when exactly. It's ready when it's ready."

You ask again, later: "I didn't ask for an exact date."

Support answer again: "There are delays so It is not even known when first beta will come out."
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Fri Dec 02, 2016 11:55 am

Not true.
It definitely will be released this year. Unfortunately I do not have specific date.
-> That was the promise.

Some time later I asked if this promise still is valid and then you said no.

Don't get me wrong, I don't expect you to release it tommorrow, but some additional informations (and bugfixes in v6, like recursive routing, BGP peers dropping when you show advertisements) would be appreciated.
It looks like you already started to fix v6 - see the 0:0 bug. Thanks for that.
 
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:03 pm

Manipulating a support desk agent into giving such an answer can't speed up programmers with their work :) Sorry about that.
It will be ready when finished.
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:11 pm

I didn't manipulate anyone. And as said, I don't expect you to be faster. But maybe to change the information strategy, and don't say "we don't fix v6 because v7 will do".
 
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:15 pm

You are twisting my answers. The issues can't be fixed because of limitations in v6 kernel. Not because we don't want to, or because v7 is coming soon.
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:23 pm

Accepted. But it isn't possible to make some workaround? As an example, limit print commands to 25% cpu?
 
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:20 pm

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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:21 pm

Barely spring, not summer in Latvia yet.
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Fri Dec 02, 2016 5:57 pm

The energy that is spent on these MUMs would be better to move the development RouterOS 7
MUM same thing all the time but this has probably nobody cares much ...
 
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:28 pm

@MikroTik Feature request which should not depend on kernel version: delete / match bgp communities by regex. Asked a lot here in the forum, and it would make many setup's much better.
 
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Fri Dec 02, 2016 9:53 pm

Your ticket.

Question from you: "Will it still be end of the year? :)"

Support answer: "I cannot tell you when exactly. It's ready when it's ready."

You ask again, later: "I didn't ask for an exact date."

Support answer again: "There are delays so It is not even known when first beta will come out."
To be fair, in the company I work for, a support rep daring answer a customer "it is ready when it is ready" would experience an unpleasant moment.
And, I am not particularly waiting for v7, but this thread, and the similar ones, are starting to become offensive to customers.
I understand that you may be joking, but I don't particularly like answers I consider the official Mikrotik voice when coming from an employee similar to
When it is summer, when it is spring... not yet summer in Latvia... not there yet... maybe in some time...

Please, do as you say.
If you cannot provide a roadmap, or further info, "sorry but we cannot comment on this" would be in my opinion a way better answer than continuous postponing. Especially if you do this for years.

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Sat Dec 03, 2016 9:37 am

I fully agree with AndreaTIK. Normis, please do not play with customer's patience. For me personally delays with RouterOS v7 means, that I will not buy another bunch (around 50) of Mikrotiks, because I have to use 3G dongles with promised support in RouterOS v7, so I currently have to evaluate another solutions. Of course, you can tell yourself, what is bunch of 50 Mikrotiks for us when we sell them by millions, but I am sure, that there are lot of similar stories all around the world.
And in fact it is harm not for us, your customers, but for you - Mikrotik.
 
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:11 pm

Just a small advice: if you need NAT on IPv6 you are doing something wrong...
Masquarade is dynamic NAT, which is not needed in IPv6. Static NAT (1:1) is another question and it's non-presence is a showstopper in many situation. Inability to make a hot fix for IPv6 addressing means you are unable to do/fix a lot of critical (ie not-planned) situation... I have to avoid IPv6 until proper NAT is available or I have to make special IPv6 subnet for every server I have (in a shared segment).
 
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Tue Dec 06, 2016 2:14 am

Hi,

long time mikrotik user here, first time poster.
I am guessing that 95% of the people in here waiting for v7 are patiently awaiting the multi-core features, especially (for me) the BGP part. I have lots of cisco equipment that is junk compared to the mikrotik but still the only thing I can use because the multi-core is non-existant in v6. I don't care about the v7 beta, I just care about being able to get full usage of the current hardware we run.

If the v7 is taking so enormous amounts of time, and we know how much better v7 is (I've talked to lots of people at mikrotik about this, I've been at the meetups etc, seen the stats in the slides) - why can't you just release the bgp parts? Is this also a kernel limitation?

I rarely have issues with people joking but agree that the tone from the support is just annoying now. Don't joke about things when people are upset and annoyed. Timing is what's needed. And don't have bad timing when people are tired of spending time waiting...
 
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:50 am

One of the reasons v7 takes so long, is that routing programs are being completely re-made from scratch. There is nothing yet to backport.
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Tue Dec 06, 2016 11:11 am

One of the reasons v7 takes so long, is that routing programs are being completely re-made from scratch. There is nothing yet to backport.
I understand.
So please leave a development version 6 and let everyone FULLY engaged only version 7 and will be out soon ..
 
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Tue Dec 06, 2016 2:02 pm

releasing V 7.0 stable for christmas :D
 
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Tue Dec 06, 2016 2:04 pm

Yeah, but which year?
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17th

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17th

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Tue Dec 06, 2016 3:02 pm

Yeah, but which year?
Maybe century 22 :D
 
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Tue Dec 06, 2016 7:42 pm

One of the reasons v7 takes so long, is that routing programs are being completely re-made from scratch. There is nothing yet to backport.
Yeah I can totally understand that. Conforming to RFCs and programming a routing stack is *NOT* easy. I'm sure it's one of those things where the programmers sat down and said that it would just be better to redo it from scratch. Which I believe is fine. If the current routing stack is not flexible enough then I think we completely understand that. However I'm kinda looking at it from the business perspective as well. Would it be worth getting something like IP Infusion's ZebOS and integrate that into RouterOS as the routing stack and letting the programmers focus on non-routing stack related features? The reason why I say that is because a routing stack is something that is just a *very* high amount of work that will consistently keep on requiring more and more work (as more and more RFCs come out requiring a routing protocol to do this or that). It sounds like Mikrotik has said that they want to put in that amount of work into developing their own. That's fine and all, however I think adding some small routing features to the current RouterOS is needed just to keep RouterOS moving forward. Reason why I say that is because other vendors are adding more and more features faster (because they have more engineers) and if Mikrotik is to keep up then Mikrotik will have to make a compromise on where to add development time. Now I am not suggesting that Mikrotik scrap the work they have done. I'm sure that the routing stack is probably about 40-50% completed. I'm sure that by about April/May it'll be "feature" complete and probably summer it'll be released as "Beta" for us to test out and around September to October ROS 7 will likely be released. That is fine, but in the mean time we as customers are literally begging for some features that can be put into ROS 6 that aren't big. The one thing that I've been chomping at the bit for is IPv6 BGP next hop resolution. All of the other IPv6 stuff I think can wait, but man that one right there is paramount for making IPv6 "work" on RouterOS. Not being able to get that to work is really a killer. Even if Mikrotik says no, and says that it's not worth investing into the current RouterOS routing stack, then that's fine. I also know that people have requested for a roadmap. Not a development roadmap, but more of a "this is kind of what we are looking to get into ROS 7 on first release" roadmap. Is ISIS going to be added? Is BGP (and other routing protocols) going to be multithreaded (we have the answer to this one....but just using as an example)? Will we be given an ability to be able to tweak convergence time in the routing protocols (like SPF algorithm controls in OSPF, protocol independent convergence for BGP)?

It's more of a transparency thing that's all. We as customers generally like Mikrotik and I think we all generally want to see the equipment get better and better. I know I personally do. I know that Mikrotik can't reveal too much about the state they are in with what they develop because of business agility and keeping other competitors on their toes (like UBNT), but there has to be some give and take with customers....especially since we are waiting and building our networks around Mikrotiks' releases. How about this, on the next big MUM that happens (like the biggest MUM of the year) is it possible for Mikrotik to give a roadmap of what they would like to get into ROS 7.0 release? Just as an olive branch for us customers so we can know how to plan our networks out in the mean time?

For what it's worth that's I guess my feeling on the situation. I'm sure most other people would probably agree and others won't but I figure being honest isn't bad...
 
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I received in my whatsapp :lol:
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Got me too...dang
 
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Wed Dec 07, 2016 6:20 pm

One of the reasons v7 takes so long, is that routing programs are being completely re-made from scratch. There is nothing yet to backport.
Coding is hard.
Project management is hard.
But this is your job.

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Second time, please, stop making fun of us.
Maybe it is just me, but I feel It is disrespectful coming from an employee to a customer.
This tends to backfire, in spectacular ways.
 
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Wed Dec 07, 2016 8:43 pm

One of the reasons v7 takes so long, is that routing programs are being completely re-made from scratch. There is nothing yet to backport.
Coding is hard.
Project management is hard.
But this is your job.

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Second time, please, stop making fun of us.
Maybe it is just me, but I feel It is disrespectful coming from an employee to a customer.
This tends to backfire, in spectacular ways.
I think you're being a little...harsh here. The reason why I say that is because generally the people on these boards are NOT the people whom make the decisions at Mikrotik. So giving the support people grief will only generally cause for nothing to get done. It might even be a detriment honestly.

That being said, I agree that it's very frustrating on the end of the customer. However the "best" general way to do things is to just push consistently. If more people pushed consistently then there would be more pressure upon the management to do something different. However we need to be nice to the people we interface with.

As always, that's why I send emails, support tickets, and generally keep on bothering them in a nice way.
 
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are there any plans in version 7 fix problems with iptv ??
 
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what problems?
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Sat Dec 10, 2016 7:49 pm

Feature request is not a problem :)

So just wait for the release
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no, not request
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Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:52 am

v7 ?

I think it will be a Christmas gift :-D

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v7 ?

I think it will be a Christmas gift :-D
I expect v7 immediately after Christ Second Coming
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I'm more optimistic. Immediately BEFORE :)
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I think it will be a Christmas gift :-D
But what year?
 
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RouterOS v6: may 2013 — present (based on Linux kernel 3.3.5)
RouterOS v5: March 2011 — September 2013 (based on Linux kernel 2.6.35)
RouterOS v4: October 2009 — March 2011 (based on Linux kernel 2.6.26)
RouterOS v3: January 2008 — October 2009 (based on Linux kernel 2.4.31)

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I think it will be a Christmas gift :-D
But what year?
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RouterOS v6: may 2013 — present (based on Linux kernel 3.3.5)
RouterOS v5: March 2011 — September 2013 (based on Linux kernel 2.6.35)
RouterOS v4: October 2009 — March 2011 (based on Linux kernel 2.6.26)
RouterOS v3: January 2008 — October 2009 (based on Linux kernel 2.4.31)
Thanks for the info. V6 is there over 3 years :shock:
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What version of Linux is ROS 7 supposed to be built on.....is it in version 4?
 
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It is 4.x Kernel. We won't know exactly which one until it is released.

Mikrotik need to find a Kernel that can be patched for all their different architectures and that has the features they need. Not an easy task I am sure !
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Sun Dec 18, 2016 2:47 pm

Rewriting mayor parts from scratch while still maintaining stable releases takes time, RouterOS is not something small anymore with plenty of hardware to support and it doesn't have the same amount of resources like the mayor ones (Cisco / Juniper).

So think it's a bit unfair by some to demand an early release especially since we have a perfectly fine release right now (6.x) which gets regular updates with new features and bug fixes, pretty sure Mikrotik shifts priorities to the important areas right now and we will see ROS 7.0 beta at best early next year after they launched a new line-up.
 
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Rewriting mayor parts from scratch while still maintaining stable releases takes time
That is why it is not a good idea to rewrite all major parts from scratch for a new revision.
As you can see, new functions and extra capabilities for existing functions are introduced in 6.x all the time.
To rewrite the routing, a sensible approach would be to have new routing code in a new optional package (as was done with wireless)
and keep the old package for the normal user until the new package is stable.
 
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To rewrite the routing, a sensible approach would be to have new routing code in a new optional package (as was done with wireless)
and keep the old package for the normal user until the new package is stable.
new routing requires new kernel. a new optional package with a new kernel (and all the other 'optional packages' compatible with that kernel) is just a new version of RouterOS :)
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Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:35 am

I would rather see another approach:
The release of a 7 beta with the new kernel (let's say 4.4 - the latest LTS) together with the exiting current packages, which should be not such a big fuss, since kernel networking is generally backwards compatible at API level. This would actually test kernel stability in various scenarios.
Afterwards, a progressive rollout of new features is possible, making use of the new features (which are really interesting - e.g. VRF, multipath routing, per flow routing, KVM).
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Mon Dec 19, 2016 9:23 am

The problem is getting all the kernel patches from each chipset vendor working optimally on that kernel. E.g. they need a Kernel that can take Qualcomm MIPS, MediaTek MIPS, Qualcomm ARM, Freescale PPC and Tilera patches. No easy feat!

I'm sure this is made even harder by Tilera being acquired by EZ Chip and then EZ Chip by Mellanox, I can't imagine SDK support on the Tile GX is that fantastic for newer Kernels :(

Then on top of that you have the VRF and network namespaces changes around Kernel 3.16

So I don't think it's as easy as just running v6 routing on a 4.4 Kernel. There are too many other parts that need to work, and the way VRF's work is fundamentally different.
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To rewrite the routing, a sensible approach would be to have new routing code in a new optional package (as was done with wireless)
and keep the old package for the normal user until the new package is stable.
new routing requires new kernel. a new optional package with a new kernel (and all the other 'optional packages' compatible with that kernel) is just a new version of RouterOS :)
What I mean is they should have released a new version with a new kernel without combining that effort with a rewrite of all the routing, and then do that rewrite independently in an optional package just like the wireless.
The old routing code can run on the new kernel without much effort, at least it can on all the major Linux distributions.
Combining so many rewrites in a single new release means it will never get done.
 
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I would rather see another approach:
The release of a 7 beta with the new kernel (let's say 4.4 - the latest LTS) together with the exiting current packages, which should be not such a big fuss, since kernel networking is generally backwards compatible at API level. This would actually test kernel stability in various scenarios.
Afterwards, a progressive rollout of new features is possible, making use of the new features (which are really interesting - e.g. VRF, multipath routing, per flow routing, KVM).
That is exactly what I had in mind.
 
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Tue Dec 20, 2016 12:34 am

Look at Tesla. They rolled out hardware autopilot 2.0. The first shipped units have no features enabled, there aren't even basic ones like cruise control. Features will be added with software updates.

Maybe it could be possible to follow the same path using RouterOS V7: Released featureless in parallel with V6, with features added over time allowing the community to test it.
In many use cases it will be good because not every router make use of ALL the features at the same time.

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Released featureless in parallel with V6, with features added over time allowing the community to test it.
In many use cases it will be good because not every router make use of ALL the features at the same time.
Yes, I think it is much better. An all-rewritten RouterOS 7 will have so many little bugs scattered all over the place that nobody
will be able to use it at the very early stages. There is always some showstopping bug that makes it impossible to roll it
out on a nontrivial network. Hence it will not be field tested well and when it comes out of beta, there will be an enormous flood
of bugreports and frustration.
When instead the new version 7 will just be a move to a new kernel with the absolutely required changes in all the software
around it, subsequently every part that they always wanted to improve can be done and tested by those who require that
functionality, while all the others are just running the code and find the minor bugs, just as is happening now with v6 and has
happened with the wireless-fp and wireless-rep packages. Even there you could see that some people only moved to the new
package when the old one was discontinued and only THEN they found it did not work in their environment. With a monolithic
v7 release that would happen for many functions at the same time.
 
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I would like to go ahead and put RouterOS v7 on my Christmas list for 2017 :-)
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I would like to go ahead and put RouterOS v7 on my Christmas list for 2018.
 
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as we won't get ROSv7 anytime soon, anyone with knowledge how to crosscompile for the CCR platform and build a system to run quagga or similar?
 
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as we won't get ROSv7 anytime soon, anyone with knowledge how to crosscompile for the CCR platform and build a system to run quagga or similar?
maybe, something like http://www.mellanox.com/repository/solutions/tile-scm/ ?
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Wed Jan 18, 2017 1:24 am

I would just like to add my voice to several others here. I really like Mikrotik, and thankfully I'm not running into all of the problems recounted here, as my implementation is more localized and isn't leveraging BGP. However, it was frustrating after buying the device to discover just how dated the OpenVPN implementation was, and its completely lack of support not only for UDP but certificate based TLS authentication.

Maybe there's something in the core implementation that blocks this, but my *guess* is that it's (at best) a slightly customized version of OpenVPN. The kernel interfaces haven't changed AFAICT, so why in the world a more current support for secure SSL VPNs can't be provided is beyond me. It's great to see improved IPSEC in the latest releases, but it only underscores for me the frustration in not having this implemented, and not having any kind of idea of when it might be.
 
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Wed Jan 18, 2017 1:33 am

Or maybe it's a complete rewrite of OpenVPN? (licence issues?)
 
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I have heard from a few sources that the OpenVPN code base is a nightmare to work on.
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Or maybe it's a complete rewrite of OpenVPN? (licence issues?)
OVPN tunnel has no common code with open source implementation of the said tunnel type.
 
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Dear support and developers, could you please spend 10-15 min a month to post progress summaries for V7?
I'm not asking for huge detailed report, just very quick summary so we can see some progress going.
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Dear support and developers, could you please spend 10-15 min a month to post progress summaries for V7?
I'm not asking for huge detailed report, just very quick summary so we can see some progress going.
This is a great freaking idea actually.

Kinda give like an outline of, "hey this is what we're working on now."

I think it would help a lot of us understand kind of the view of how Mikrotik is approaching what they are doing.
 
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Dear support and developers, could you please spend 10-15 min a month to post progress summaries for V7?
I'm not asking for huge detailed report, just very quick summary so we can see some progress going.
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+1 Summarized status updates at given intervall is considered good Customer Relations.
 
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Hello Normis,
I would like to know, when we can expect, that the ROS version 7 will be out.
There are so many things that you promise to solve in v7 and we are waiting too long.

Those are your words from 2015
Not yet, but v7beta is coming later this year
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Thu Feb 02, 2017 5:56 am

Easy solution - do not make any expectations :)

We have already posted from time to time, that the biggest change is under the hood (minor kernel upgrade). There is no new GUI or anything. We are also working on a new routing engine.

Actually we are making really cool stuff even in v6. Look at the recent RC versions - interface lists, domain lists for firewall, repeater mode etc.
Minor kernel upgrade? I heard RouterOS 7 is based on FreeBSD, whereas all previous versions were based on Linux?
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Dear support and developers, could you please spend 10-15 min a month to post progress summaries for V7?
I'm not asking for huge detailed report, just very quick summary so we can see some progress going.
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Mon Feb 06, 2017 5:13 pm

New routing engine is a big expectation together with multicore bgp. That would be great :)

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We will release a beta, when it will exist. Currently v7 is in alpha stage, many functions are not completed and non functional. Beta needs at least all functions to be somewhat operational.
Exactly 2 ( two) years ago your info was that V7 is in alpha stage. Any progress? At least for a beta release....
We are all looking forward .Maybe some new info will be apriciated by all from your side.
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Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:50 pm

I don't think there will be news soon. A few weeks ago MikroTik wrote something about VRF/Linux Network Namespaces. They mentioned that network namespaces "may" be used. VRF is something very fundamental. Many things are depending on that (Firewall, MPLS, BGP, ...). It looks like not even MikroTik knows what will be implemented in v7.

I personally started switching to SuperMicro 5018D-FN8T (2x 10Gig, 6x Gig) with Debian and bird. The routing "just works", no performance issues, bgp multicore, Large BGP Communities support, BGP Additional Path support, conntrackd, working OpenVPN, much more ....
 
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A few weeks ago MikroTik wrote something about VRF/Linux Network Namespaces. They mentioned that network namespaces "may" be used. VRF is something very fundamental.
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Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:33 am

I see.
I had some hopes when I knew that MIkrotik have a good support , taking action on costumers request's but unfurtunately I was wrong. As long anyone knew the long list of request and expectation from V7 and not even a small good will we can't see .....I don't know.If will keep the good work as was by now is very probably to have in 2 years first beta, if we are lucky, and some of us will notice ( hope not) that the hardware we own will not be in minimum requirment list !!!
Give us a hope Mikrotik as we trust on you when we pass to use your hardware. :(
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as we won't get ROSv7 anytime soon, anyone with knowledge how to crosscompile for the CCR platform and build a system to run quagga or similar?
But does it support multi thread? Last time I read quaggas docs it says that quagga is planned to support but so does not have the right libs for that...
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as we won't get ROSv7 anytime soon, anyone with knowledge how to crosscompile for the CCR platform and build a system to run quagga or similar?
But does it support multi thread? Last time I read quaggas docs it says that quagga is planned to support but so does not have the right libs for that...
True, but at the moment on BGP and IPv6 I'd settle for anything that works without having to set static ipv6 routes to other BGP speakers loopback IPv6 addresses...
 
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just in case let me remind you, it is waiting for full support multicast and IPTV in 7 versions :wink:
 
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Thu Mar 02, 2017 10:28 am

Dear support and developers, could you please spend 10-15 min a month to post progress summaries for V7?
I'm not asking for huge detailed report, just very quick summary so we can see some progress going.
+1 - that would be very nice, just to have the feeling that you are keeping the users up to date. And to know whether we are more like at the 40% or the 90% progress mark.

In the meantime, we can go back to reading the classics and assuming that some of the following has happened:
The Big Rewrite
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Second-System Effect (also on Wikipedia)

Let's hope you guys have it under control.
 
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+1 IGMP snooping, and full support for IPTV/multicast :)

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I too would love to have this to start testing LTE on MC7304.
 
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I too would love to have this to start testing LTE on MC7304.
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+ 8.8 million for the IGMP snooping
 
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Any time now guys... ;)
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Tue May 23, 2017 4:31 pm

By chance will version 7 not run on soho devices?
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Tue May 23, 2017 4:52 pm

Any time now guys... ;)
Was this presented on a MUM? Was it by MikroTik?
 
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Tue May 23, 2017 5:37 pm

Yes, it was on MUM. On US MUM in 2014 :)

https://mum.mikrotik.com//presentations/US14/ccrros.pdf
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Tue May 23, 2017 6:42 pm

Yes, it was on MUM. On US MUM in 2014 :)

https://mum.mikrotik.com//presentations/US14/ccrros.pdf
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Sun Jun 11, 2017 12:40 am

Dear MikroTik team and Dear Developers,

Like most people here, we are waiting ROS v7.0 like our Christmas toy, but although the wait has been long, we won’t blame you. Everybody that had to manage a complex programming project will know that it takes a lot of time and effort to get proper work, especially when having to interact with RFC and many not-so-standard features to include.

My one and only concern (for improvement) is the lack of communication and vision from the company itself. While we do not expect to get a date if you can’t commit, we could be all interested to know what is going on behind the curtains. We all know that we will have to wait for a proper result, but there is for sure a roadmap, goals and tracking of them.

Unlike most other vendors, MikroTik is way more than just a brand. It is a different attitude, a real community and a very versatile and flexible system. I wished with ROS v7.0+ that the hardware becomes as well more high-end with more high-speed port density, while keeping very cheap entry-level devices too, so we can have one experience from SOHO all the way to carrier-grade routers.

However, we have not given up and we look forward to hearing soon that somebody big is coming.

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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:25 am

I have small LAN and my provider gives me IPv6 /64 network, but I'm not able to use it in my internal infrastructure yet (I have few routed LANs with UTP and WiFi).

Also I have bigger LAN, where I do NAT for IPv4 and when something change, I'm not able to fix IPv6 at the same time as IPv4, as I have no NAT for IPv6. This drives me crazy and is a showstopper why to not deploy IPv6 at every place it could be (until RouterOS with IPv6 NAT). Also this is a reason why to not use/suggest Mikrotik at all.
You need to talk to your provider. This is insane! We certainly need to avoid getting NAT everywhere for reasons
like that. I get a /48 from my provider on a consumer connection, which can be argued to be a bit large, but any
provider should at least give a /60 or /56 to a customer that has a (home) router.
/64 can only be reasonably given to e.g. a rack in a colocation environment where the provider does the routing.
Do not mess up IPv6 NAT (wich is must have)[1] and IPV6 masquerade (not needed).

[1] what I have to do when something breaks and I have to move service/server in internal LAN? I simply do NAT (1:1), but it is possible with IPv4 only, not with IPv6. This is why one needs IPv6 NAT (to be able to do a fix in minutes/seconds, not in hours because of IPv6 address change and DNS caching issues).
 
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:07 am

+ 8.8 million for the IGMP snooping
Already in v6
*)bridge - implemented software based "igmp-snooping"
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Fri Jul 14, 2017 12:19 pm

I have small LAN and my provider gives me IPv6 /64 network, but I'm not able to use it in my internal infrastructure yet (I have few routed LANs with UTP and WiFi).
You need to talk to your provider. This is insane!
Do not mess up IPv6 NAT (wich is must have)[1] and IPV6 masquerade (not needed).
I agree that it is useful to have IPv6 prefix translation (1:1 NAT of entire /64 networks) but that is not related to your "my provider gives me IPv6 /64 network"
which cannot be worked around by prefix translation (when you want to have separate networks for yourself an guests, for example, or want to route internally).
Providers that give only a /64 to their customers really need to study IPv6 again and re-do their rollout before it is too late.
It should not be the task of router manufacturers to devise all kinds of workarounds for situations like that.

For prefix translation, there are some good use cases. Also see the writeups done by user ZeroByte about this matter.
 
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Mon Jul 31, 2017 3:56 am


Already in v6
*)bridge - implemented software based "igmp-snooping"
thank you so much, how to configure this feature to work correctly?
 
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Fri Aug 25, 2017 8:10 am

I'm just waiting for more LTE driver support which on the wiki states coming in ROS V7. At this rate I might as well look for another device haha.
 
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Sat Sep 02, 2017 7:45 pm

as of feb 2017, cake took place of fq_codel now. as in the description of cake, it looks like PCQ to me (equal bandwidth in src, dst address).

There is piece_of_cake for trees I guess... I wonder what are the differences between HTB that we use in routeros.
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:15 pm

If they rush a alpha level product out the door the response would be more negative as many expect it to work near perfectly upon release. I hope that they use it internally for the time needed to work out the basic bugs prior to a public release. Of course the longer they wait to release the more is expected from the release as people are looking at the amount of time it has been under development.
Once released the myriad of users will use it in varying ways that testing cannot simulate and then the real bugs can be worked out.
 
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:44 pm

Yes, it was on MUM. On US MUM in 2014 :)

https://mum.mikrotik.com//presentations/US14/ccrros.pdf
In the pdf you referenced from 2014, it talks about, v6.8 I haven't seen anything beyond 6.41 in RC or beta yet in 2017. Where are these being released at?
 
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Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:53 pm

Yes, it was on MUM. On US MUM in 2014 :)

https://mum.mikrotik.com//presentations/US14/ccrros.pdf
In the pdf you referenced from 2014, it talks about, v6.8 I haven't seen anything beyond 6.41 in RC or beta yet in 2017. Where are these being released at?
6.8 was released in Jan of 2014: What's new in 6.8 (2014-Jan-29 15:52)
As math goes 41 is higher than 8.

Anyway thanks for the chuckle.
 
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:42 pm

Do not ask for v7.0 beta1, instead ask for 7.0 alpha. Maybe we'll get a different answer...
 
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Thu Sep 14, 2017 11:41 pm

Starting to think it's the Duke Nukem Forever of RouterOS. :(

It'll come out about a decade after it was expected and suck.
 
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Mon Sep 18, 2017 8:20 pm

Any news?
 
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:17 pm

An alfa to play in the lab would be most welcome.....
 
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Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:54 pm

This is getting ridiculous....
 
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Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:16 pm

Stop asking and switch to another vendor :lol:.
 
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Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:40 pm

Stop asking and switch to another vendor :lol:.
I'm currently switching to another vendor. Cumulus on ONIE + router.

More than 240Mpps of performance, tested. ;-)
7Tb/s with prefixes that are loaded on TCAM module.

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Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:20 am

I have replaced CCRs mostly with Supermicro 5018D-FN8T + debian + FRR. Works like a charm.
 
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Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:52 am

Stop asking and switch to another vendor :lol:.
I'm currently switching to another vendor. Cumulus on ONIE + router.

More than 240Mpps of performance, tested. ;-)
7Tb/s with prefixes that are loaded on TCAM module.

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What vendor has routers with ONIE?
I thought this was only for sdn switches.
 
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:36 pm

We bought a year ago a CCR1072,
We are using with 4 peers providing us full routing and with more than 800 filters.
After a reboot, it takes more than 2 hours to apply all routes and filters and it's only using 2% of CPU.
Resume: Sh it product.
 
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Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:29 pm

We bought a year ago a CCR1072,
We are using with 4 peers providing us full routing and with more than 800 filters.
After a reboot, it takes more than 2 hours to apply all routes and filters and it's only using 2% of CPU.
Resume: Sh it product.
That is a lot of route filters for such a small number of peers !
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Mon Nov 06, 2017 4:42 pm

That is a lot of route filters for such a small number of peers !
One peer is IX point, with a lot of members.

+300 filters based on different members of the IX and for different /24 subnets.
+500 filters setting a BGP-Local-Pref based on the BGP-AS-Path.
 
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Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:47 pm

We bought a year ago a CCR1072,
We are using with 4 peers providing us full routing and with more than 800 filters.
After a reboot, it takes more than 2 hours to apply all routes and filters and it's only using 2% of CPU.
Resume: Sh it product.
The problem is that it has a 72-core processor but the BGP update task is single-threaded so it uses only 1 of the 72 cores.
The remaining cores are available for routing.
It is apparently not so easy to write a multithreaded BGP implementation, the easiest is to have a separate thread for each instance but that will probably not buy you much.
In circumstances like this, the router would benefit more from a higher clockrate than from so many cores.
 
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Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:45 am

Please find a solution to the programs and hide the MAC and find a solution to the problem of connecting tp Link WDS
 
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Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:45 am

You must find a solution to the problem of Internet theft through the Mac
 
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Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:17 pm

You must find a solution to the problem of Internet theft through the Mac
MAC-based authentication/accounting is broken in general because it is trivial to spoof MAC addresses. The solution is to utilize some higher level of AAA such as PPPoE or WPA2-Enterprise
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

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+ 8.8 million for the IGMP snooping
Already in v6
*)bridge - implemented software based "igmp-snooping"
how to configure it ?
 
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Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:28 am

how to configure it ?
Currently available only in 6.41rc
[admin@RouterOS-Testing] /interface bridge set 0 igmp-snooping=
no  yes
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Dear Santa Claus,

I would like RouterOS v7 for Christmas :-)
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:27 pm

Dear Santa Claus,

I would like RouterOS v7 for Christmas :-)
of which year?
I apologize my grammatical errors, my english not so good, I am not a native speaker.
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Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:11 pm

I'm sure we'll not survive that year.
 
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:25 pm

Dear Santa

This year i would like a intel i210 nic support at mt ros 6.x or mt ros v7 (is exists)


please please see my post from past: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=94834

we are very patient...
 
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Dear gringo,
Santa is also only a man. This Christmas you can get 6.40.6 at maximum, if you behaved well all the year. Please, stay tuned and train your patience.
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Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:02 pm

Dear Santa Claus,

I would like RouterOS v7 for Christmas :-)
of which year?
2017...I'm hoping for a Christmas Miracle :lol:
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Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:59 pm

Just for an example. Less about OpenVPN TCP. We have more than 100 connected clients (ROS/Linux devices) to CHR (1G RAM P1 lic) - all use TCP. Speed-test between two VPS connected to CHR via ovpn-client:
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[ ID] Interval           Transfer     Bandwidth       Retr
[  4]   0.00-10.00  sec  22.8 MBytes  19.1 Mbits/sec   41             sender
[  4]   0.00-10.00  sec  22.0 MBytes  18.4 Mbits/sec                  receiver
[  6]   0.00-10.00  sec  14.1 MBytes  11.8 Mbits/sec   38             sender
[  6]   0.00-10.00  sec  13.4 MBytes  11.2 Mbits/sec                  receiver
[SUM]   0.00-10.00  sec  36.9 MBytes  31.0 Mbits/sec   79             sender
[SUM]   0.00-10.00  sec  35.4 MBytes  29.7 Mbits/sec                  receiver
iperf Done.
And with all nice features of OpenVPN we with impatience expect UDP support 8)
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:42 pm

+1 On this request, please tell us when, the faster you release the faster we can test and give feedback for you to perfect it.

I mainly work in the carrier side, we use MikroTik a lot but some things we do miss, specially related to the BGP and MPLS side...

Your brand has been quickly evolving from a "well I know it I use it in some small projects" to one that powers backbones of not-so-small ISP and DC networks, it's also used in research fields and to build systems for harsh environments (I saw "internet bots" in a coal mine powered by MikroTik).

We really need all the promises (and more) made for this version.
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Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:58 pm

that reminds me of apple with IOS11. full of bugs for new features that some care and some dont care. i prefer an IOS10 shiny than a shitty IOS11. fortunately i stayed at 10.3.3 on my iphone.
and not to forget IOS11 removed showing mac address of devices in usefull aplications like FING, NET ANALYZER.
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Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:10 pm

Stop asking, you're wasting your time...
Switch to plain linux, problem solved.
 
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Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:20 pm

Mikrotik wont release a v7. There is so much hype built over it that it won't surprise me if they completely jump a gen to 8 or even go all out and release a new naming convention.
v7 is the embarrassment of the family mocked heavily by all within the MikroTik community.

Fair play to the devs though for constantly working on current software and not leaving us in the lurch whilst they develop new stuff.
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Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:33 pm

Could we expect hardware acceleration AES for RB3011UiAS-RM?

Could we expect a setup assistent for IPV6 Nat in Router OS?

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Could we expect hardware acceleration AES for RB3011UiAS-RM?
Not before v7. Even after v7 I am not so sure they will add HW AES support. The CPU does support it, but MikroTik don't seem to want to invest in RB3011.
They never released any other model as they did with the various models of RB2011...
 
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Could we expect a setup assistent for IPV6 Nat in Router OS?
IPv6 NAT - I bet we have to wait longer than the IGMP snooping people waited before it comes out. . .

If Mikrotik _does_ decide to add this in, I would request the following flavors (most-preferred first)
- NAT64 protocol translation (stateful)
- NAT64 protocol translation (stateless)
- NAT66-PT (stateless prefix translation)
-NAT66 (dstnat) - This is useful for things like transparent service redirection
- NAT66 (srcnat many-to-1) - this one I could be happy if they never implemented. I'd prefer for the IPv6 community to never deploy in a way that requires this because once it's there, the wound can never be completely healed.
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Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:57 pm

Up :)
It is 2018 already. May we have some status report or plans on v7 release? Or it is abandoned already?
 
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Looks like it is Canceled.....
Nothing in the last 4 years
So we are Stil on Kernel 3.xx.xx
 
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Mon Jan 08, 2018 4:03 pm

I think we can safely assume that v7 is some way off, with Mikrotik staying tight lipped on a release date.
Indicating that they themselves have no idea of when it is going to be released.

We are getting to the stage where we are outgrowing our Cloud Core routers, yet we’re only doing 10-100Mb of traffic typically throughout the day! What is killing us is BGP updates, causing jitter / latency spikes on our network… We have a total of 3 full BGP feeds on a total of 4 Mikrotik Cloud Core routers.

Unfortunately, we have lost patience with Mikrotik and we are in the process of exploring alternatives. We won’t be purchasing further Mikrotik products which require BGP.
I really do think they should spell out the limitations of BGP… As on paper everything looks amazing with the Cloud Core routers, however the reality is VERY different.
 
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Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:03 pm

I think we can safely assume that v7 is some way off, with Mikrotik staying tight lipped on a release date.
Indicating that they themselves have no idea of when it is going to be released.

We are getting to the stage where we are outgrowing our Cloud Core routers, yet we’re only doing 10-100Mb of traffic typically throughout the day! What is killing us is BGP updates, causing jitter / latency spikes on our network… We have a total of 3 full BGP feeds on a total of 4 Mikrotik Cloud Core routers.

Unfortunately, we have lost patience with Mikrotik and we are in the process of exploring alternatives. We won’t be purchasing further Mikrotik products which require BGP.
I really do think they should spell out the limitations of BGP… As on paper everything looks amazing with the Cloud Core routers, however the reality is VERY different.
Not noticed this BGP generated jitter/latency so far. Searched the forum and did not find something regarding this. Did you post/discussed this problem?
 
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Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:12 pm

I think he's referring to the fact that BGP runs in a single thread - ergo cannot take advantage of multi-core tile platform. It could be that during convergence, his network performance is spotty due to various reasons, but that's just speculation on my part. At the end of the day, though, there have been many "oh that will be fixed / added / addressed in ROSv7" issues - more than I can recall, really.
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Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:34 pm

I think we can safely assume that v7 is some way off, with Mikrotik staying tight lipped on a release date.
Indicating that they themselves have no idea of when it is going to be released.

We are getting to the stage where we are outgrowing our Cloud Core routers, yet we’re only doing 10-100Mb of traffic typically throughout the day! What is killing us is BGP updates, causing jitter / latency spikes on our network… We have a total of 3 full BGP feeds on a total of 4 Mikrotik Cloud Core routers.

Unfortunately, we have lost patience with Mikrotik and we are in the process of exploring alternatives. We won’t be purchasing further Mikrotik products which require BGP.
I really do think they should spell out the limitations of BGP… As on paper everything looks amazing with the Cloud Core routers, however the reality is VERY different.
+1
to say more: we already moving out from mtik wireless, now after some accidents bgp routers are on the way.
 
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Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:54 pm

Maybe we should collaborate and make a list of alternative devices / software solutions?

As a start:

CloudCoreRouter
SuperMicro 5018D-FN8T
- 6x Gigabit Ethernet (RJ45)
- 2x 10 Gigabit Ethernet (SFP+)
- 16GB RAM
- Xeon-D 1518 Quad Core

RB75X
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BGP/OSPF/MPLS done with FRR, multiple fulltables no issue.
 
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Wed Jan 10, 2018 5:36 am

We are lucky and dont buy Mikrotik CCR for BGP....
http://mum.mikrotik.com/presentations/RU14/megis.pdf
But for all other, this Dokument is 4 years old and still nothing...
The most CCR for BGP would sorted out before they will release v7
so the problems also resolve themselves, no more need for ROS v7

I am also looking for an alternative for Mikrotik Wireless, because of missing
- spectral scan
- Nv2 bad performance in 802.11ac
- missing innovation
- missing Sync
- Limitation in Channel width

After 14 years with MIKROTIK this is not easy. Our hole Netwotk is Mikrotik based,
But they don't here and don't care the needs in Wireless Market, so we have to look to another Brands!
Pity, but reality

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I am also looking for an alternative for Mikrotik Wireless, because of missing
- spectral scan
- Nv2 bad performance in 802.11ac
- missing innovation
- missing Sync

After 14 years with MIKROTIK this is not easy. Our hole Netwotk is Mikrotik based,
But they don't here and don't care the needs in Wireless Market, so we have to look to another Brands!
Pity, but reality
We have the same problem with wireless :(
We don´t use BGP on Mikrotik . The main problem is the old wireless kernel 3.0 in ROS V6
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:48 am

Can someone explain me why they just can't enable Hardware accelartion for AES in rb3011 for example as Routerboard update or license buy option???

We have 18 of them mostly for managing sophos / Cisco / Siemens stuff etc. .... via openvpn and during the last months with growing network complxity we run into bandwith issue ....
 
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:57 pm

Don't expect anything kernel related to be fixed in v6.
 
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:05 pm

Don't expect anything kernel related to be fixed in v6.
And don´t expect fast Release of ROS7,
we are now at 4.14.xx how long we will see Kernel 4?
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we are now at 4.14.xx how long we will see Kernel 4?
Linux Kernel 5.0 Will be Coming in the Summer of 2018

Mikrotik is 4-5years behind development!
RHEL 7.4 uses kernel 3.10.0-693. How many years are they behind development? :)
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we are now at 4.14.xx how long we will see Kernel 4?
Linux Kernel 5.0 Will be Coming in the Summer of 2018

Mikrotik is 4-5years behind development!
RHEL 7.4 uses kernel 3.10.0-693. How many years are they behind development? :)
right....
But RHEL 8.0 is on the way based on Fedora 27 aka Linux Kernel 4.14
 
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Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:54 pm

Hello. I have 11 Mikrotik 912 + Sierra MC7304. I too would love to have this to start testing LTE on MC7304. Thank you.
 
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Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:35 am

Hello. I have 11 Mikrotik 912 + Sierra MC7304. I too would love to have this to start testing LTE on MC7304. Thank you.
I only have 1 of each, but I'd love to be able to use LTE too.
 
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Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:34 am

The most CCR for BGP would sorted out before they will release v7
so the problems also resolve themselves, no more need for ROS v7
No, I'm still waiting for VirtIO support in v7
 
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ROSv7 will be released just after Duke Nukem Forever!

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Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:33 pm

DNF was released in 2011, so ...
 
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DNF was released in 2011, so ...
So it's time for ROS v7!
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Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:06 am

Apparently not yet. Don't you remember the well known sentence of Normis? "When it will be then it will be." :-)
 
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Sat Feb 10, 2018 12:34 am

After waiting 5 years, I think it won't ever be released.
 
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Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:55 am

They have moved themselves into incredible difficulty by raising the expectations so much....
When v7 would just have been a move to a new kernel that would then allow the gradual introduction of new features that required that new kernel,
and in parallel to the usual changes like we now see in the 6.x series there would be some "experimental packages" that introduce radical changes
(like the mighty new routing code), everything would have proceeded smoothly.
And it has been done before. Autorouting has been an experimental package before, and several packages for Wireless.
After some feedback and development, these respective packages became part of the standard distribution.

But now, v7 is kind of a magic bullet that promises to fix many issues and limitations, and of course it can never be completely ready for release
(without bugs and loose ends). So no matter how long it is postponed, there will always be a lot of disappointment and support calls. And by now
it is much too late to go back to the more gradual migration as described above. At least under the designation RouterOS v7.
 
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Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:58 pm

And by now it is much too late to go back to the more gradual migration as described above. At least under the designation RouterOS v7.
Well, there is always RouterOS v8... :D
 
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Sat Feb 10, 2018 9:05 pm

Release of v8 will be in ~ 40 years if they proceed with the same speed.
 
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Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:14 pm

Release of v8 will be in ~ 40 years if they proceed with the same speed.
I think it refers to the option of skipping v7 altogether and then proceed the way described above.
(i.e. make v8 a v6 with current kernel and then incrementally build from there just as done in v6.xx releases)
 
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Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:19 am

Release of v8 will be in ~ 40 years if they proceed with the same speed.
I think it refers to the option of skipping v7 altogether and then proceed the way described above.
(i.e. make v8 a v6 with current kernel and then incrementally build from there just as done in v6.xx releases)
Yes, that's it. I just think V8 should come with a new kernel - and the rest should be improved sequentially. The worst part of a new kernel are the hardware drivers. The rest is, for the most part, high level enough to not be directly affected by it.
 
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:58 am

we are now at 4.14.xx how long we will see Kernel 4?
Linux Kernel 5.0 Will be Coming in the Summer of 2018

Mikrotik is 4-5years behind development!
RHEL 7.4 uses kernel 3.10.0-693. How many years are they behind development? :)
And yet, they are still able to deliver a working stateful DHCPv6 server, irony much?
Meanwhile, Mikrotik who are supposed to be in the SP space can't deliver a decent BGP or a working DHCPv6 server.
ROS7 has been thrown around so much over the years as far as I'm concerned its just vaporware, I'll believe it exists when I see it.
Until then, I like others, will continue to explore alternative that meet basic industry requirements.
 
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:21 pm

When v7 would just have been a move to a new kernel ...
It's pure speculation, but I think that "just switching kernel" might be the problematic part. If they modified too much in the old one (and it looks like a lot of what RouterOS does is not just in userspace), porting everything forward can be hard. Linux is evolving, and it's being worked on by many people, much more than MikroTik has (I guess). So they can either break from it, go own way, and lose all those nice improvements already done by someone else. Or they can try to keep up with changes, port their stuff, but that can be an awful lot of work.
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Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:49 pm

When v7 would just have been a move to a new kernel ...
It's pure speculation, but I think that "just switching kernel" might be the problematic part. If they modified too much in the old one (and it looks like a lot of what RouterOS does is not just in userspace), porting everything forward can be hard. Linux is evolving, and it's being worked on by many people, much more than MikroTik has (I guess). So they can either break from it, go own way, and lose all those nice improvements already done by someone else. Or they can try to keep up with changes, port their stuff, but that can be an awful lot of work.
I'm not sure about that. The drivers are kernel bound, of course. So are the NV protocols - with all that TDMA and whatnot. But (almost) everything else? Is just userspace. Even routing: you change it in linux with a userspace command. The kernel may change as much as they want - the interface is still the same.

Even things like L2TP shouldn't be a problem: You still talks to the kernel through a userspace interface. IPv6, PPP, OpenVpn, IPSec... everything is userspace controlled. Yes, yes. OpenVpn creats an interface (tun or tap). They are provided by the kernel, and are userspace controlled. If the Linux kernel was ported to a given architecture, chances are they're already available.

The drivers... well, the drivers are the hard part. If they aren't part of the kernel three, then Mikrotik must get them, compiled to the new kernel, from the hardware makers. And this is not always easy... Then they need to test, test, test, integrate, validate... a truly hellish task.

I agree with what was said: they promised too much, and now are trying to live up to their promises. This means a lot of development, in a lot of packages. And the drivers! Have I said how hard the drivers part will be? :)
 
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Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:40 pm

I'm not sure either (and I hope I made it clear enough).

My basic argument is that used kernel was said to be limiting factor for adding some new features years ago. So it would make sense to upgrade it, and not wait for too long before doing so. Not only can the new version already have some wanted features built-in, but also hardware manufacturers are more likely to support current kernel in their (not yet built-in) drivers, if we're talking about newish hardware. If there was only relatively small amount of modifications made by MikroTik, then why hold off for so long?

I'd also say that there's a difference between controlled from userspace and being in userspace, but I can't really go far with that, because that would be too thin ice for me.

I doubt that MikroTik will share exact details, so speculations is the only thing we have. Other than just waiting, but it's a little boring already. ;)
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Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:22 am

I'm not sure either (and I hope I made it clear enough).

My basic argument is that used kernel was said to be limiting factor for adding some new features years ago. So it would make sense to upgrade it, and not wait for too long before doing so. Not only can the new version already have some wanted features built-in, but also hardware manufacturers are more likely to support current kernel in their (not yet built-in) drivers, if we're talking about newish hardware. If there was only relatively small amount of modifications made by MikroTik, then why hold off for so long?

I'd also say that there's a difference between controlled from userspace and being in userspace, but I can't really go far with that, because that would be too thin ice for me.

I doubt that MikroTik will share exact details, so speculations is the only thing we have. Other than just waiting, but it's a little boring already. ;)
I don't know. Just passing time, with idle speculation. :D
 
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Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:57 pm

We have been waiting too long for basic SP features like multithread BGP and something as simple as DHCP Option 82 Circuit ID. I think that if Mikrotik showed that anything was actually happening it would be easier to not look at other vendors.
 
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This is always possible and I encourage you to do that. There is free competition on the market and you should spend money on the products that fits your needs the best.
 
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Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:29 pm

I think we can safely assume that v7 is some way off, with Mikrotik staying tight lipped on a release date.
Indicating that they themselves have no idea of when it is going to be released.

We are getting to the stage where we are outgrowing our Cloud Core routers, yet we’re only doing 10-100Mb of traffic typically throughout the day! What is killing us is BGP updates, causing jitter / latency spikes on our network… We have a total of 3 full BGP feeds on a total of 4 Mikrotik Cloud Core routers.

Unfortunately, we have lost patience with Mikrotik and we are in the process of exploring alternatives. We won’t be purchasing further Mikrotik products which require BGP.
I really do think they should spell out the limitations of BGP… As on paper everything looks amazing with the Cloud Core routers, however the reality is VERY different.
+1
to say more: we already moving out from mtik wireless, now after some accidents bgp routers are on the way.
We are also now in the process of throwing out everything Mikrotik running BGP as it cannot handle it.
 
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Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:48 pm

We too. Using SuperMicro Xeon-D appliances with debian and FRR. Works like a charm, BGP with X fulltables, VRF (v4/v6), Route Leaking, ...
 
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Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:09 pm

Looking away from RouterOS v6.x running IPv6 BGP [tables]?

Not being able to verify IPv6 routing table (when not main table!) is really a big deal. (But seeing the routes exists by the number the route counter shows. :sigh:)
And doing policy routing rules for anything else than main table in IPv6.

It feels a bit poorly planned/immature(still?) when compared to I can do the WHOLE vrf-mpls infrastructure with IPv4. But it is only partially implemented with IPv6 (vrf's?) in RouterOS v6.x. :/

Still looking for equalized feature set between IPv4 and IPv6 in RouterOS version 7 or 8(?) in 2020 or 2025(?)

@Mikrotik: Would be nice with a roadmap somewhere telling all us customers which year to expect the release of the first release candidate for the next major release of RouterOS. (Currently it feels sort of I'm/we are left out to dry just looking/scraping for news about the next major below the earths horizon and outer space past the planet of Uranus.)

Would REALLY appreciate a lot more openness compared to fx when GitLab.com encountered extended downtime for days due to an engineers non-intended blunder while doing maintenance that fateful day last year (2017).

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Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:19 pm

Looking away from RouterOS v6.x running IPv6 BGP [tables]?

Not being able to verify IPv6 routing table (when not main table!) is really a big deal. (But seeing the routes exists by the number the route counter shows. :sigh:)
And doing policy routing rules for anything else than main table in IPv6.

It feels a bit poorly planned/immature(still?) when compared to I can do the WHOLE vrf-mpls infrastructure with IPv4. But it is only partially implemented with IPv6 (vrf's?) in RouterOS v6.x. :/

Still looking for equalized feature set between IPv4 and IPv6 in RouterOS version 7 or 8(?) in 2020 or 2025(?)

@Mikrotik: Would be nice with a roadmap somewhere telling all us customers which year to expect the release of the first release candidate for the next major release of RouterOS. (Currently it feels sort of I'm/we are left out to dry just looking/scraping for news about the next major below the earths horizon and outer space past the planet of Uranus.)

Would REALLY appreciate a lot more openness compared to fx when GitLab.com encountered extended downtime for days due to an engineers non-intended blunder while doing maintenance that fateful day last year (2017).
Didn't you hear? Almost all v7 features have been backported to v6!
Doesn't matter that routing (bgp), ipv6, drivers and all necessary 'routing' stuff cannot get backported due to old kernel version in v6. At least we now have kids control and detect internet! Super essential features for routers running BGP in the public internet :lol: :lol:
 
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Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:39 pm

No. I have not (before now) stumbled across that information.
At least we now have kids control and detect internet! Super essential features for routers running BGP in the public internet :lol: :lol:
So looking forward to when RouterOS will support SR !

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If we draw some conclusions:
  1. Almost everything from 7.x has been backported to 6.x
  2. MikroTik has been in trouble about GPL
  3. It's been in development for a long period of time
  4. Linux has dropped TILE support
Could it possibly be that they're moving to something that isn't GPL licensed?

Just saying, there are options that aren't Linux.
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2018 3:11 am

No. I have not (before now) stumbled across that information.
At least we now have kids control and detect internet! Super essential features for routers running BGP in the public internet :lol: :lol:
So looking forward to when RouterOS will support SR !
I'm sure that this will never happen... Much like IS-IS..
Somehow i'm sad that many people are leaving MT platform (numerous reasons) since i'm following and using MT basically from the begging.
Number of our customers moved to Quagga / Bird just because BGP glitches.. They waited.. but - Big Foot (v7) never came around..

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Thu Apr 05, 2018 11:24 am

If we draw some conclusions:
  1. Almost everything from 7.x has been backported to 6.x
  2. MikroTik has been in trouble about GPL
  3. It's been in development for a long period of time
  4. Linux has dropped TILE support
As mentioned several times on this forum, this does not apply as MikroTik did not use the linux community TILE code in any way. They do not rely on the TILE support of Linux at all.

Could it possibly be that they're moving to something that isn't GPL licensed?

Just saying, there are options that aren't Linux.
 
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Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:04 pm

Mikrotik, please please please please.

Leave the development of *NEW* features/things/whatnot out of ROS 6 now. Please, move the developers out of ROS 6 feature development and have them go to ROS 7 development. Bugfixes should still keep going on ROS 6 as they are going now (if possible).

There needs to be a harder development push towards ROS 7. If there's nothing else to develop for ROS 7 (which I have high doubts on as I know more and more features are being added to it all the time), then can we please get a glimpse of how things are going with it. I think we can all more or less surmize that Mikrotik is probably building an entirely new routing stack from scratch and that it is taking far more amounts of time than anyone ever expected. As much as it is feasible, can more people be thrown at developing ROS 7 instead of adding more features to ROS 6?
 
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Déjà vu?

Don't we remember the transition years between the version 5 and 6?
 
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:51 pm

Well if they say they backported most (all ?) v7 functionalities into v6, I don't really see a problem here.
 
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:28 pm

Well if they say they backported most (all ?) v7 functionalities into v6, I don't really see a problem here.
The problem is the old kernel ROS 6 based on, there much improvements only possible with newer kernel.
And we will see ROS 7 with 4.xx Kernel when Linus Towards launch Kernel 5.xx, happens probably this summer....

And the delay will getting bigger.
All new products with IPQ have driver throughput problems, Mikrotik works with a back ported driver, it would be easier to use the origin one,
but it is only available for newer kernels...
here the delay takes its toll
 
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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:12 pm

All new products with IPQ have driver throughput problems, Mikrotik works with a back ported driver, it would be easier to use the origin one,
but it is only available for newer kernels...
here the delay takes its toll
It becomes more clear that the kernel has been so heavily modified that it is not so easy to upgrade it anymore.
This is of course always a tough decision: do you limit the kernel changes and try to forward them to the kernel development group, which will cause a lot of wasted time due to discussion about how to implement some feature, or do you just "fork" the kernel based on some version uptodate at that time, causing the problem there is now.
On the other hand, when you do all the work on a forked kernel, you are not affected by decisions like the dropping of TILE support in the kernel.

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