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Newsletter 78 with 1GBPS WIRELESS PRODUCT ANNOUNCEMENT!

Thu Sep 14, 2017 11:22 am

In this MikroTik newsletter:

- Revolutionary 60 GHz Wireless Wire 1 Gbps full duplex!
- six-speed S+RJ10 Ethernet copper module for up to 10 Gbps connectivity;
- RouterBOARD 1100AHx4, only $299!
- FiberBox, an outdoor router with five SFP ports;
- Woobm-USB, The Wireless out of Band management USB stick;
- RouterBOARD M11G with Gigabit LAN and miniPCIe slot, only $39;
- mUPS - PoE injector with battery backup capability;
- Hot Swap -48 V DC telecom power supply for CCR1072;
- New Wireless Calculator;
- MUM schedule
- Train-the-Trainer course in Africa

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Thu Sep 14, 2017 3:49 pm

Wow some awesome new products :)

The S+RJ10 SFP module is pretty interesting for the price.I remember buying a ProLabs one , for about 10 times the price last year.
 
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Re: Newsletter 78 with 1GBPS WIRELESS PRODUCT ANNOUNCEMENT!

Thu Sep 14, 2017 3:49 pm

Awesome to read about the S+RJ10 SFP module, that could come in handy in certain situations!

I'm guessing that combined with an Intel X540-T1 it's going to be only 1/10Gbps and max 30 meters for 10Gbit?

Also the specs lists the compatible Mikrotik devices, am I reading it correctly this SFP+ module is not compatible with the CRS226 but will probably work just fine in the upcoming CRS328-24P-4S+RM?
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Thu Sep 14, 2017 3:50 pm

When can we expect to see the "WOOBM" device show up in the US Normis? :)
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Re: Newsletter 78 with 1GBPS WIRELESS PRODUCT ANNOUNCEMENT!

Thu Sep 14, 2017 3:55 pm

All our products that have SFP+ will support this module. We did not mention CRS226 because it is not a current product.
I'm guessing that combined with an Intel X540-T1 it's going to be only 1/10Gbps and max 30 meters for 10Gbit?
No, it will work at all the mentioned speeds.
"WOOBM" device show up in the US Normis?
Depends on your distributor, but soon.
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Thu Sep 14, 2017 4:28 pm

Wow some awesome new products :)

The S+RJ10 SFP module is pretty interesting for the price.I remember buying a ProLabs one , for about 10 times the price last year.
Indeed!!! Just to be sure - MT didn't you forget to add one digit ("1", "2" or even "3") in front of S+RJ10 "$65" price??? I got pair 10G-only modules for almost $700 few months ago, and these are 6-speed...
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Thu Sep 14, 2017 4:31 pm

Any news on the LHG 60?

We really need those in our network :)
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Thu Sep 14, 2017 4:52 pm

Any news on the LHG 60?

We really need those in our network :)
Wireless Wire is our first 60GHz product, LHG series will follow.
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Thu Sep 14, 2017 5:08 pm

I would really prefer if you did not announce the prices ...
Local distributors here are selling Mikrotik gear way times more expensive, for example RB1100AHX4 is currently 570$ or 475$ before taxes, so it is pretty annoying to find out that we are being robbed like that, it is better just not to know ...
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Re: Newsletter 78 with 1GBPS WIRELESS PRODUCT ANNOUNCEMENT!

Thu Sep 14, 2017 5:17 pm

Any news on the LHG 60?

We really need those in our network :)
Wireless Wire is our first 60GHz product, LHG series will follow.
Please give this kit a chance - performance will pleasantly surprise You.
Its not that it's missing performance, we have some 200-300 meter links we would really like to use LHG 60 for.

Would you recommend wAP 60 even for those links when we count in rain-fade?
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Re: Newsletter 78 with 1GBPS WIRELESS PRODUCT ANNOUNCEMENT!

Thu Sep 14, 2017 5:20 pm

I would really prefer if you did not announce the prices ...
Local distributors here are selling Mikrotik gear way times more expensive, for example RB1100AHX4 is currently 570$ or 475$ before taxes, so it is pretty announcing to find out that we are being robbed like that, it is better just not to know ...
Are you sure that you don't confusing "RB1100AHx4 Dude Edition" with one that is announced here "RB1100AHx4"
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Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:44 pm

Are you sure that you don't confusing "RB1100AHx4 Dude Edition" with one that is announced here "RB1100AHx4"
Yes it is Dude Edition dude ... it is advertised here on top banner at $349.00 ... and that is way cheaper than what we have to pay here ... but enough of me whining :)
 
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Re: Newsletter 78 with 1GBPS WIRELESS PRODUCT ANNOUNCEMENT!

Thu Sep 14, 2017 11:02 pm

Will the fiberbox have a hardware switch available?

And with the new 6.41 version's handling of hardware acceleration, would it be capable of participating in RSTP to make a ring of the things that's capable of transporting vlans?
The reason I ask is that this box also looks interesting as an outdoor NID type of device for FTTH where you could deploy them in rings of active ethernet (supposing that the switching is wire speed capable and you're not looking to oversubscribe the rings by any serious margin)
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Fri Sep 15, 2017 2:42 am

The reason I ask is that this box also looks interesting as an outdoor NID type of device for FTTH where you could deploy them in rings of active ethernet (supposing that the switching is wire speed capable and you're not looking to oversubscribe the rings by any serious margin)
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Re: Newsletter 78 with 1GBPS WIRELESS PRODUCT ANNOUNCEMENT!

Fri Sep 15, 2017 2:43 am

Nice job on the 60G stuff. Any datasheets? Antenna/radio specs etc so we can do our own link calculations?
 
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Re: Newsletter 78 with 1GBPS WIRELESS PRODUCT ANNOUNCEMENT!

Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:09 am

Nice job on the 60G stuff. Any datasheets? Antenna/radio specs etc so we can do our own link calculations?
What are you planning to calculate? This type of product requires 100% clear line of sight and will work for up to 100 meters, or a little bit more.
The antenna is not your typical 802.11ac, it has no specific gain. It has a phase array beamforming antenna where each element has a different gain, depending on situation.
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Re: Newsletter 78 with 1GBPS WIRELESS PRODUCT ANNOUNCEMENT!

Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:15 am

What about precipitation effect on this link? Will rain, fog, heavy snow have serious impact?

When should we expect to buy them?
 
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Re: Newsletter 78 with 1GBPS WIRELESS PRODUCT ANNOUNCEMENT!

Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:26 am

At 100 meters rain has minimal effect, but in heavy fog you will see some slow down of throughput.
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I have a wireless link that is about 180m. What is the expected speed i will get from the Wireless Wire?
 
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Fri Sep 15, 2017 11:19 am

I have a wireless link that is about 180m. What is the expected speed i will get from the Wireless Wire?
For longer distances maybe 802.11ac will be better, since rain/fog will have an effect in 180 meters.
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Fri Sep 15, 2017 11:34 am

Thank you for your answer. Fog/rain is not a problem for my location. Will I be able to reach the gigabit speeds on fair conditions?
 
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Fri Sep 15, 2017 11:35 am

Thank you for your answer. Fog/rain is not a problem for my location. Will I be able to reach the gigabit speeds on fair conditions?
Gigabit is not likely, no. A few hundred megabits yes (like 1Gbit total, not full duplex).
We have an upcoming product for longer distances, LHG60.
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Re: Newsletter 78 with 1GBPS WIRELESS PRODUCT ANNOUNCEMENT!

Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:49 pm

@normis

When we can get LHG60?
Is it possible to use LHG and WAP together?

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Fri Sep 15, 2017 1:44 pm

What are you planning to calculate? This type of product requires 100% clear line of sight and will work for up to 100 meters, or a little bit more.
The antenna is not your typical 802.11ac, it has no specific gain. It has a phase array beamforming antenna where each element has a different gain, depending on situation.
Some jurisdictions have minimum antenna gain and maximum transmitter limitations. Some data around those element gains at different angles, and TX power would be good.

Also, your datasheet says multipoint is coming soon, and with a 60* antenna I assume this unit can be an AP for LHG CPE's. For this we need to calculate the numbers to determine range. A pattern of all those elements will be useful to determine how clients on the fringe will work (and where that fringe is).

And because we're WISPs. We calculate link budgets, we do propagation plots, and other exciting things for fun.
 
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Fri Sep 15, 2017 1:47 pm

Some jurisdictions have minimum antenna gain and maximum transmitter limitations. Some data around those element gains at different angles, and TX power would be good.
This product does not have these values, it is different from regular 802.11a/b/g/n devices. In Europe, the EIRP is the only value that needs to be known, and this device does not exceed 40dB maximum EIRP, therefore it is valid for use in the EU and has all the FCC/CE certifications.

The values you ask for, will not be available because of the phase array beamforming antenna design. You will have to assume 100 meter distance at 1Gbit with under 40dB EIRP. That is all I can provide.
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Will the Woobm work as client device on desktops or laptops to connect them to an AP?
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Fri Sep 15, 2017 2:40 pm

Will the Woobm work as client device on desktops or laptops to connect them to an AP?
The USB side of this device is a serial port. You can't use it as a wireless interface. You plug it into a device, to make a serial console connection over wireless (with telnet or web interface)
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Rather than continue to design futile stuff, try to reactivate the spectral-History function on AC radio, which is now also present in the world's worst routers!

Mikrotik Team, are losing much ground to your competitors, want to talk about GPS synchronization?

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Fri Sep 15, 2017 7:23 pm

Thanks again for your answer.
Thank you for your answer. Fog/rain is not a problem for my location. Will I be able to reach the gigabit speeds on fair conditions?
Gigabit is not likely, no. A few hundred megabits yes.
We have an upcoming product for longer distances, LHG60.
 
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@normis: any chance you'll use a different mapping company for the "New Wireless Calculator"?
Parts of regional Australia (especially my part) are not at all accurate - whole rivers and mountains are missing and the mountains that are there have zero detail...
 
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@normis Are there any plans for a high gain narrow beam 60Ghz PTP?
full duplex with high gain narrow beam antenna would be awesome. And speaking of full duplex does Mikrotik have any plans to enter the 24Ghz PTP arena?

mUPS was a great idea as well.
 
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Any news about the arrival date of the CRS328 with 24port PoE? It was announced in italy but was never mentionned since.
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Does SFP+ module compatible with non-mikrotik devices? Does it make sence to testing this or module use specific mikrotik "extension" ?
 
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@normis: any chance you'll use a different mapping company for the "New Wireless Calculator"?
Parts of regional Australia (especially my part) are not at all accurate - whole rivers and mountains are missing and the mountains that are there have zero detail...
Thanks, we will see what else we can use. Try the satellite layer for now.
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@umraf That depends on what kind of module you are using. If you are not sure they are compatible or not, you can buy some generic modules to ensure proper connection.
 
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Re: Newsletter 78 with 1GBPS WIRELESS PRODUCT ANNOUNCEMENT!

Mon Sep 18, 2017 10:00 am

Any news on the LHG 60?

We really need those in our network :)
Wireless Wire is our first 60GHz product, LHG series will follow.
Please give this kit a chance - performance will pleasantly surprise You.
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I don't see it on Spain's Landashop nor EuroDK.

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Mon Sep 18, 2017 10:34 am

- Revolutionary 60 GHz Wireless Wire 1 Gbps full duplex!
What will be the MTU of this model and the future LHG60? We are interested in sending jumbopackets.
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Hi Normis. I dont see more specification about 60GHz Wireless Wire. Will it possible to use for 400m in clear view? Because 100m you can use copper wire. so wireless is for rare situations in my opinion... Or maybe it is possible to use a bigger reflector for this system?
 
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Hi Normis. I dont see more specification about 60GHz Wireless Wire. Will it possible to use for 400m in clear view? Because 100m you can use copper wire. so wireless is for rare situations in my opinion... Or maybe it is possible to use a bigger reflector for this system?
These questions are answered in the newsletter, did you check the PDF file?

This kit is for 100-150 meters.
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Hi Normis. I dont see more specification about 60GHz Wireless Wire. Will it possible to use for 400m in clear view? Because 100m you can use copper wire. so wireless is for rare situations in my opinion... Or maybe it is possible to use a bigger reflector for this system?
These questions are answered in the newsletter, did you check the PDF file?

This kit is for 100-150 meters.
Thank you for your answer. I have read pdf file, but there was only 100m+ info :) I assume that in region of apartment buildings this kit is very useful. But I will wait for devices in this band that supports 300-1000 m range at least... :)
 
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100m+ in this case means that up to 100 meters you can get 1Gbps full duplex, but speed will fall after that. We have only tested links below 200m.
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100m+ in this case means that up to 100 meters you can get 1Gbps full duplex, but speed will fall after that. We have only tested links below 200m.
Aha, and what speed we can get if use more than 150m? If I need 300mbps what range i can reach theoretically?
 
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100m+ in this case means that up to 100 meters you can get 1Gbps full duplex, but speed will fall after that. We have only tested links below 200m.
Aha, and what speed we can get if use more than 150m? If I need 300mbps what range i can reach theoretically?
Most likely you can get 300Mbit at 150 meters, but remember that 60GHz is very sensitive to rain and fog, so atmospheric conditions will change the outcome a lot.
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100m+ in this case means that up to 100 meters you can get 1Gbps full duplex, but speed will fall after that. We have only tested links below 200m.
Aha, and what speed we can get if use more than 150m? If I need 300mbps what range i can reach theoretically?
Most likely you can get 300Mbit at 150 meters, but remember that 60GHz is very sensitive to rain and fog, so atmospheric conditions will change the outcome a lot.
Ok. I understood. You have mentioned, that you are planning to release more powerful device, what parameters we can expect?
 
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Mon Sep 18, 2017 10:13 pm

In Europe, the EIRP is the only value that needs to be known, and this device does not exceed 40dB maximum EIRP, therefore it is valid for use in the EU and has all the FCC/CE certifications.
Is it really legal to use it in all countries in Europe ? According to the "Decision 2006/771/EC on harmonisation of the radio spectrum for use by short-range devices" fixed outdoor installations are excluded (page 18 - http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/ ... 52&from=EN).
Pls provide us link to the CE certification !
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Tue Sep 19, 2017 1:20 am

Can I use POE injectors (802.3af,at,bt and passive) with S+RJ10 ?

Will i be able to link a workstation at 2.5gb/5gb to a CRS317-1G-16S+RM with S+RJ10?



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Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:38 pm

i will also follow, low distance devices is one of the options to exclude fiber optics between building, at the moment a bit too late :)
but for up to 1km could be interesting... thumb up.
 
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Would the Wireless Wire product be capable of operating indoors, in a residential construction home? i.e., drywall, wood, no metal structures. What sort of speed could I expect passing through 1 or 2 gypsum drywalls?
 
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Would the Wireless Wire product be capable of operating indoors, in a residential construction home? i.e., drywall, wood, no metal structures. What sort of speed could I expect passing through 1 or 2 gypsum drywalls?
To quote someone else:

At 60 GHz, the signal would be severely challenged to penetrate a paperback novel much less chairs, tables, or cubical walls. As a result, to receive proper throughput, 60 GHz wireless requires direct unobstructed line of sight between the devices.
 
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Would the Wireless Wire product be capable of operating indoors, in a residential construction home? i.e., drywall, wood, no metal structures. What sort of speed could I expect passing through 1 or 2 gypsum drywalls?
It does not pass through anything, except certain types of glass. A 100% clear line of sight is 100% required. Maybe a slight obstruction is possible, thin cardboard, but not walls. Since the antenna is a beam-forming design and will try to adjust the angle. Plus it will work over a reflection maybe, depends on the surface. Those are exception cases and can't be guaranteed.
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