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v6.35rc [release candidate] is released, new wireless package!

Fri Jan 29, 2016 5:54 pm

v6.35rc has a new wireless package, that has the same features as wireless-cm2 package and will contain many new interesting features.
Few of the added functions are listed in the changelog below, more to come!

Documentation for the new wireless package is in progress. Please test new wireless-rep package before adding it to the production networks. Thank you very much for your feedback in the advance!

Package is available on download page with 'All packages' file.

What's new in 6.35rc1 (2016-Jan-29 13:59):

*) route - do not show duplicate gateway on connected route;
*) wireless - added new package "wireless-rep";
*) wireless-rep - initial support for station roaming for station mode in 802.11 protocol;
*) wireless-rep - added support for wireless repeater mode for 802.11 protocol;
*) wireless-rep - added support for wireless background scan for 802.11protocol;
*) wireless-rep - added support for saving wireless scan results to file;
*) wireless-rep - added support for wireless scan rounds setting;
*) wireless-rep - added WPS client support;
*) wireless-rep - added STEP feature for the scan-list;


how to configure wireless-repeater on _one_ wirless interface.
it is done by command,
setup-repeater command,
/interface wireless setup-repeater

there are parameters:
address -- MAC address of AP to setup repeater for (optional)
ssid -- SSID of AP to setup repeater for (optional)
passphrase -- key to use for AP - if this is specified, command will
just scan for AP and create security profile based on info in beacon and
with this passphrase. If this IS NOT specified, command will do WPS to
find out passphrase.
 
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Re: v6.35rc is released, new wireless package!

Fri Jan 29, 2016 5:57 pm

Will this wireless-rep package also provide CAPsMAN support?
 
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Re: v6.35rc is released, new wireless package!

Fri Jan 29, 2016 6:11 pm

Yes, wireless-rep is the like cm2, but it has additional features (CAPsMAN will work with the package).
 
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Fri Jan 29, 2016 7:08 pm

I hope we soon get to see the user manual.
If all this is going to work is a great asset.
Congratulations to Mikrotik
 
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Re: v6.35rc is released, new wireless package!

Fri Jan 29, 2016 8:11 pm

Do you plan to merge all those new changes into ordinary wirelessXX.npk (without -cm2, -fp, -rep) package sometime in the future? It's kinda difficult to do a mass upgrade when package name changes every year or so..
 
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Fri Jan 29, 2016 9:45 pm

Do we need repeater function? It will be probably easier to configure than wds, maybe it will bring compatibility with other vendor's APs, but do we really need it?
 
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Re: v6.35rc is released, new wireless package!

Fri Jan 29, 2016 9:49 pm

@jarda Client/Ap was most featured option last year. Keep it up Mikrotik.
 
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Fri Jan 29, 2016 10:01 pm

I am not against. Just asking... There were times I thought this would be very useful feature, but as the time went forward and I learned more and more, today I don't think it is necessary. Wds is perfectly working and I am not missing the other vendor's compatibility. So why? It's bad idea to use one radio repeater anyway because it is not possible to align antennas against Ap and clients ideally at the same time. But ok, mikrotik thinks it will rise sales on consumer market, so that is it. I can forsee the topics here that the repeater is not as expected by consumers... Will never be.
 
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Re: v6.35rc is released, new wireless package!

Fri Jan 29, 2016 11:48 pm

How to run repeater mode?
Background scan, rounds, scan to file - all that feature works OK.
I see no options for station roaming. Is it "automagical" and it's default enabled when I'm using new package, or I'm missing smthng?
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Sat Jan 30, 2016 12:25 am

ok, mikrotik thinks it will rise sales on consumer market, so that is it.
I know what would not as much rise but prevent from falling: improvement of current and future WiFi software or hardware. It becomes uncompetitive with todays user demand and trends :( and there's already a list of inventions made. Because currently 4g lte provides numbers which majority of users only care of, and they even justify unresponsiveness, high lag and other related problems.. We desperately need to increase sector capacity, since currently I don't get more than 30M total with 20-30 clients connected. And whats worse, I can't even experiment and seek for best config, they feel shortages of service and immediately start looking who to kill. And I'm not joking, even at 4-5 AM there's no total freedom for that recently.

I understand that with overcrowded 5GHz there's no chance to get what you could with multi-band licensed freq and insane tx powers, but based on what 11n/ac competitors offer, it's certainly not impossible to at least double the mentioned figure, which would be a life saver. For a while.

I might be naive, but I really hope something new and revolutionary might appear with these new wireless-smth packages every time they are introduced. Heck, I'd at least take changelog entries like "improved nv2 performance" :)
 
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v6.35rc is released, new wireless package!

Sat Jan 30, 2016 1:09 am

Set the fist wlan as an ap bridge and the second as pseudobridge. First we be the ap and the second the client
If i do the contrary i am unable to connect to the ap
 
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Re: v6.35rc is released, new wireless package!

Sat Jan 30, 2016 1:31 am

when the user manual available ???
 
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Sat Jan 30, 2016 3:25 am

ok, mikrotik thinks it will rise sales on consumer market, so that is it.
I know what would not as much rise but prevent from falling: improvement of current and future WiFi software or hardware. It becomes uncompetitive with todays user demand and trends :( and there's already a list of inventions made. Because currently 4g lte provides numbers which majority of users only care of, and they even justify unresponsiveness, high lag and other related problems.. We desperately need to increase sector capacity, since currently I don't get more than 30M total with 20-30 clients connected. And whats worse, I can't even experiment and seek for best config, they feel shortages of service and immediately start looking who to kill. And I'm not joking, even at 4-5 AM there's no total freedom for that recently.

I understand that with overcrowded 5GHz there's no chance to get what you could with multi-band licensed freq and insane tx powers, but based on what 11n/ac competitors offer, it's certainly not impossible to at least double the mentioned figure, which would be a life saver. For a while.

I might be naive, but I really hope something new and revolutionary might appear with these new wireless-smth packages every time they are introduced. Heck, I'd at least take changelog entries like "improved nv2 performance" :)
I'm with you :D I really hope MikroTik will introduce something new on wireless for point to multipoint!
 
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Re: v6.35rc is released, new wireless package!

Sat Jan 30, 2016 9:50 am

Is there any improvement for Ticket # 2015121766000465] - for problem with ROS 6.xx and Nstreme+Polling radio disconnections?
 
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Sat Jan 30, 2016 12:18 pm

How to configure wireless repeater mode
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Re: v6.35rc is released, new wireless package!

Sat Jan 30, 2016 12:23 pm

*) wireless-rep - added support for wireless background scan;
I see opportunity to make auto frequency mode to work in background active scanning for noise and some algorithm to choice best channel or to make report in background it will be nice to see both options.
Now auto just scan when disable enable interface.
 
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Re: v6.35rc is released, new wireless package!

Sat Jan 30, 2016 2:59 pm

With new package TCP throughput is really impresive. There is a problem with nv2 connection. Client's can't connect, when protocol is set to nv2, only nstreme and 802.11 works. With nstreme, there is a problem with dynamic framin policy.

I really starting to like what you are doing.Don't stop, and make it better :)
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Sat Jan 30, 2016 3:25 pm

What exactly is the "station roaming for station mode" ??? Is this the start of seamless roaming?
 
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Sat Jan 30, 2016 3:43 pm

Also... if I just upgrade my routers to 6.35rc1 will they automatically get rep package or will I need to add it?

-Eric
 
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Sat Jan 30, 2016 3:47 pm

Also... if I just upgrade my routers to 6.35rc1 will they automatically get rep package or will I need to add it?

-Eric

Eric,
You have to add rep package.
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Sat Jan 30, 2016 4:28 pm

Also... if I just upgrade my routers to 6.35rc1 will they automatically get rep package or will I need to add it?

-Eric
Download the package here http://www.mikrotik.com/download/share/ ... ep_all.zip
 
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Sat Jan 30, 2016 5:04 pm

What exactly is the "station roaming for station mode" ???
Roaming in WiFi network is a function of client, not AP (AP can assist, but that's the client who always makes the roaming decision). Mikrotik in station mode (i.e. wireless client, not an access point) used to be a very poor roamer. I guess now the situation is going to be better.
Is this the start of seamless roaming?
It is not, I guess.

andreacoppini sent a couple of great posts on the topic of roaming in WiFi networks. Here's the links: first, second.
 
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Re: v6.35rc is released, new wireless package!

Sat Jan 30, 2016 9:04 pm

With new package TCP throughput is really impresive. There is a problem with nv2 connection. Client's can't connect, when protocol is set to nv2, only nstreme and 802.11 works. With nstreme, there is a problem with dynamic framin policy.

I really starting to like what you are doing.Don't stop, and make it better :)
Do you have some numbers? TCP throughput before and after? :D
 
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Sat Jan 30, 2016 9:06 pm

Yes, wireless-rep is the like cm2, but it has additional features (CAPsMAN will work with the package).
Does it have improvements on point to multipoint with nv2?
 
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Sat Jan 30, 2016 11:53 pm

NV2 is not working.TCP 40% better than before
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Sun Jan 31, 2016 3:56 am

NV2 is not working.TCP 40% better than before
40% better in 802.11? :shock: Did you test AC?

I tested 802.11ac in a room on SXT 5 ac, 0dBm tx power to don't have too high signal, about 30 meters distance, max 314Mbps iperf TCP between two powerful computers on 80MHz channel :(
 
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Sun Jan 31, 2016 2:50 pm

NV2 is not working.TCP 40% better than before
40% better in 802.11? :shock: Did you test AC?

I tested 802.11ac in a room on SXT 5 ac, 0dBm tx power to don't have too high signal, about 30 meters distance, max 314Mbps iperf TCP between two powerful computers on 80MHz channel :(

By which measure is this too little? 802.11n would give you 200 Mbps max, under ideal link conditions.
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Sun Jan 31, 2016 3:09 pm

I believe the 40% gius64 refers to is the improvement on TCP on the Bandwidth Test tool. Not on NV2.

I can confirm that I see huge improvements on TCP tests.

Running the test on 127.0.0.1 on an quad core atom before 6.34 I would get ~570Mbit.
With 6.34 I now get 3.4Gbit.
 
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Re: v6.35rc is released, new wireless package!

Sun Jan 31, 2016 6:51 pm

apparently its had updated/new wi-fi drivers aside enteriely new code, based on it.
perhaps ROS7 release with new kernel/toolchain - isn't so far(just guessing ;)
With 6.34 I now get 3.4Gbit.
with "6.35rc1" you mean ?
p.s.
anyone see other improvements ? :)
did NV2 works with older packages?
 
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Sun Jan 31, 2016 6:54 pm

The changes to the Bandwidth Test tool were made on 6.34, so 6.35rc also includes them.
What's new in 6.34 (2016-Jan-29 10:25):
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*) btest - significantly increased TCP bandwidth test performance;
 
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ok, good to know, tnx.
 
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Do we need repeater function? It will be probably easier to configure than wds, maybe it will bring compatibility with other vendor's APs, but do we really need it?
I think this is intended to address what is commonly called WISP mode in other vendors' equipment, where the single radio can operate in AP and Station mode simultaneously. The #1 use case is where one wishes to create a private, firewalled Wi-Fi network with the "WAN" interface being Station Wi-Fi mode to another Wi-Fi network (rather than Ethernet), and without using two radios or connecting two Routerboards back-to-back. This is very help in a hotel environment where one wishes to use, e.g., Chromecast on the in-room TV.

Presently I do just that, using an RB951U and a hAP lite configured back-to-back. The RB951U with its 1W radio connects in Station mode to the hotel, and bridges that connection through Ethernet cable link to the hAP lite which is configured in traditional NAT mode from that Ethernet port, broadcasting a low-powered (50 mW) in-room Wi-Fi network for my own devices and Chromecast. This allows only a single device (computer, phone, or tablet) to get through the Captive Portal for all devices (including Chromecast that isn't capable of navigating through a Captive Portal), and then also having broadcasts available on the Wi-Fi network to make things easier like device-to-device transfers and casting to the Chromecast.
 
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Sun Jan 31, 2016 10:19 pm

apparently its had updated/new wi-fi drivers aside enteriely new code, based on it.
did NV2 works with older packages?
Yes - you can always enable old cm2, and than nv2 is working.
Througput is really better, than with old wireless package. Even with 802.11 it's better, and especialy in one session TCP test.
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hAP lite: issues with wireless-rep
LOG Message: broken package wireless-rep-6.35rc1-smips.npk
Board Name: hAP lite
Version 6.35rc1 (testing)
Architecture Name: smips
CPU MIPS 24Kc V7.4

I have two hAP lite devices and both produced the same message.

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no issue with wireless-rep running on a 2011UiAS-2HnD and cAP 2n devices

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I just noticed the "Routerboard" tab produces no result (empty)
Routerboard
Model
Serial Number
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Re: v6.35rc is released, new wireless package!

Mon Feb 01, 2016 3:13 am

wireless-fp is on way to fading out??

i means cm2 or rep pckages will replace the fp package??
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Mon Feb 01, 2016 3:38 am

-fp doesn't mean Fast Path, if I remember correctly, it's more like Feature pack?

BTW, this wireless-rep package doesn't seem to work in nv2 mode (AP - 912UAG ROS v6.35rc1, CPEs - SXT Lite5/5HPnD v6.19-6.28,6.35rc1). Changing to nstreme - clients reconnect ok, changing to -cm2 - clients reconnect ok. Also I haven't been able to use background scan with scanner, it says something about "function not supported in this state (6)", no matter what device or operation mode. Any info on this?
 
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-fp doesn't mean Fast Path, if I remember correctly, it's more like Feature pack?

BTW, this wireless-rep package doesn't seem to work in nv2 mode (AP - 912UAG ROS v6.35rc1, CPEs - SXT Lite5/5HPnD v6.19-6.28,6.35rc1). Changing to nstreme - clients reconnect ok, changing to -cm2 - clients reconnect ok. Also I haven't been able to use background scan with scanner, it says something about "function not supported in this state (6)", no matter what device or operation mode. Any info on this?
When you press "Scan" it starts a scan which interrupts the wireless link. You have to stop it and then start a background scan when the link is running, otherwise you'll get that error.

I don't know why, it would be clever to have a Scan button which defaults to background scan, and if you choose to you can interrupt the link and have a more detailed scan...
 
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Mon Feb 01, 2016 8:33 am

wireless-fp - wireless package with fast path support and CapsMan1
wireless-cm2 - wireless package with same features as wireless-fp + CapsMan2
wireless-rep - wireless package with same features as wireless-cm2 + additional new features.

We can not simply replace packages because, for example, CapsMan1 is not compatible with CapsMan2.
 
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Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:24 am

wireless repeater configuration can be done by,
setup-repeater command,
/interface wireless setup-repeater

there are parameters:
address -- MAC address of AP to setup repeater for (optional)
ssid -- SSID of AP to setup repeater for (optional)
passphrase -- key to use for AP - if this is specified, command will
just scan for AP and create security profile based on info in beacon and
with this passphrase. If this IS NOT specified, command will do WPS to
find out passphrase.
 
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hAP lite: issues with wireless-rep
LOG Message: broken package wireless-rep-6.35rc1-smips.npk
Board Name: hAP lite
Version 6.35rc1 (testing)
Architecture Name: smips
CPU MIPS 24Kc V7.4

I have two hAP lite devices and both produced the same message.
On hAP lite there is not enough space for this package when you try to install it together with bundle package. You can fist upgrade to v6.35rc1 using bundle package and then install the wireless-rep package if you want to test the rep package feature.
This is a temp solution till we include the -rep package in the bundle package by replacing the old -cm2 package.
 
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Mon Feb 01, 2016 10:37 am

The repeater mode allows you to make a client and an AP both on the same physical interface. You don't need two interfaces. That is the best about this new feature. It seems some of the above posters missed that.
No answer to your question? How to write posts
 
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Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:11 am

wireless-fp - wireless package with fast path support and CapsMan1
wireless-cm2 - wireless package with same features as wireless-fp + CapsMan2
wireless-rep - wireless package with same features as wireless-cm2 + additional new features.

We can not simply replace packages because, for example, CapsMan1 is not compatible with CapsMan2.
It would be great to have a list of improvements on different wireless packages. On the forum you always write that wireless-cm2 has improvements while wireless-fp is "legacy", but what are these improvements?
It would be good to know what are your plans about replacing wireless packages to schedule massive upgrades on users!
 
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On the DHCP Server/Leases Tab in Winbox, there is no way to get the dynamic leases on top.

And just a reminder - a missing bus field on USB Power reset in Winbox on multi bus systems like the RB922...
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We can not simply replace packages because, for example, CapsMan1 is not compatible with CapsMan2.
It's clear "wireless-fp" is somewhat incompatible with "wireless-cm2". However both of them provide superset of features included in plain old "wireless" (and thus may be considered backwards-compatible with "wireless"). As I understand, "wireless-rep" can also be considered backwards-compatible with "wireless-cm2", but just is not stable enough yet to just replace the latter.

Can you please consider renaming "wireless-cm2" to "wireless"- this way you will ease a lot of pain while upgrading, while still stay compatible with the previous releases. You can do the same with "wireless-rep" later when it stabilizes, provided you do not invent CAPsMANv3 or similar thing that breaks compatibility.
 
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Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:45 pm

We are considering many ways how we should proceed with these packages.

This is first rc release where we give our wireless-rep package. It will take a while for this package to be considered as stable.
 
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Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:54 pm

wireless-rep package.
Name of package wireless-rep is "repeater" ?
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Re: v6.35rc is released, new wireless package!

Mon Feb 01, 2016 1:03 pm

Well, I think that "wireless.npk" package should somehow be "default" package that is the latest stable. That way you don't really have to know the sequence and keep tracking what is what. Of course there's issues with compatibility, but you can always have any other package if you need something special or historic?
 
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Re: v6.35rc is released, new wireless package!

Mon Feb 01, 2016 1:08 pm

wireless-rep means repeater, yes. it also has a new wireless driver and many other new features, so It can't be placed as default yet.
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Re: v6.35rc is released, new wireless package!

Mon Feb 01, 2016 1:15 pm

Sure it can't. As I mentioned above, I had a problem where 6.35rc1 AP with -rep package in NV2 didn't work.
wireless-rep means repeater, yes. it also has a new wireless driver and many other new features, so It can't be placed as default yet.
 
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Re: v6.35rc is released, new wireless package!

Mon Feb 01, 2016 1:21 pm

Is there any chance for working sniffer or snooper similiar to scan? Background sniffing will be very useful.
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