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Newsletter 76

Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:21 am

In our June newsletter we are introducing the tiny new home access point, the hAP mini.
Also, the legendary RB1100 series get's a big upgrade with the RB1100AHx4 Dude Edition (SATA, M.2 and more).
  • new RB1100AHx4 Dude Edition, $349
  • new low cost 2.4GHz hAP mini, only $19.95
  • new PowerBox Pro with Gigabit PoE-out, $99
  • new Dual Boot RouterOS/SwOS 24-port switch CRS326-24G-2S+RM, $199
  • MUM 2017 schedule
  • 802.11ad 60GHz Qualcomm and MikroTik press release
Download the newsletter here:
http://mt.lv/news76
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Re: Newsletter 76

Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:59 am

While i write comment, you fix link on CRS326-24G-2S+RM in newsletter)
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Re: Newsletter 76

Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:33 pm

What we need is not Press Release for 802.11ad
we need is more technical information about the devices .
no press release bla bla
 
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Re: Newsletter 76

Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:36 pm

No news about GPS sync and/or wave2ac hardware :-(

Normis please let us to understand if we have an hope?
 
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Re: Newsletter 76

Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:34 pm

RB1100AHx4: IPSec hardware acceleration. Good move! It would be great to see that on more devices, even the smaller ones (like the hex) :). Also, it would have been even better if the power supplies had been hotswapable. The extra storage is also a good thing. I'm sure we can find creative ways of using it ;).

I like the extra information. I for one would would like to see a section on "things to come in the industry" and how / where to use the new products. In our busy lives, it's always good to have a heads-up of things to come. Even if it is my job to scan the media and stay up to date, I believe that information is like a nail. The more you knock on it, the faster it sinks in.

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Re: Newsletter 76

Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:43 pm

AlainCasault, hEXr3 is very powerful in terms of IPSec and provides 470Mbps for IPSec traffic.
 
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Re: Newsletter 76

Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:52 pm

Hello Sergejs,

Yes I know. I was using it as an example of a smaller model with hardware IPSec. Maybe it's my formulation ;)

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Re: Newsletter 76

Mon Jun 12, 2017 7:14 pm

Interested in routing and IPSEC performance of the CRS326-24G-2S+RM. I imagine no hardware acceleration for IPSEC? Will it do 50-100Mb of IPSEC?
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Re: Newsletter 76

Mon Jun 12, 2017 8:34 pm

Which CPU architecture running RouterOS in CRS326-24G-2S+RM? ARM, MIPSBE or SMIPS? How it compares with CPU performance of CRS125 or CRS226?
 
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Re: Newsletter 76

Mon Jun 12, 2017 9:05 pm

Which CPU architecture running RouterOS in CRS326-24G-2S+RM? ARM, MIPSBE or SMIPS? How it compares with CPU performance of CRS125 or CRS226?
ARM v7 Dual-Core @ 800 MHz
 
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Which CPU architecture running RouterOS in CRS326-24G-2S+RM? ARM, MIPSBE or SMIPS? How it compares with CPU performance of CRS125 or CRS226?
ARM v7 Dual-Core @ 800 MHz
So, similar to the RB3011 being ARM, except a little better than half the clockspeed. IPSEC will be software only until they enable hardware IPSEC? Likely be RouterOS V7 unless I missed something? Could be able to route ~500Mb without fastpath?

Or is the ARM architecture in this one significantly different than the RB3011 and I shouldn't draw conclusions?
 
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Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:28 am

With the powerbox pro, are the PoE ports individually controllable?
 
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Re: Newsletter 76

Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:49 am

ARM v7 Dual-Core @ 800 MHz
As far as i know it is single core, at least routerboard.com backs me up on that.
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Re: Newsletter 76

Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:01 am

[*]802.11ad 60GHz Qualcomm and MikroTik press release
Why does the newsletter state 100m distance when 1km is achievable on that frequency:

Wireless Wire 60G Gigabit Ethernet extender that provides advanced connectivity
between buildings up to 100 meters.
 
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Re: Newsletter 76

Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:16 am

[*]802.11ad 60GHz Qualcomm and MikroTik press release
Why does the newsletter state 100m distance when 1km is achievable on that frequency:

Wireless Wire 60G Gigabit Ethernet extender that provides advanced connectivity
between buildings up to 100 meters.
Frequency alone does not achieve anything. It depends on the transmitter and size (and gain) of the antenna, among many other things.
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Re: Newsletter 76

Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:41 pm

Which CPU architecture running RouterOS in CRS326-24G-2S+RM? ARM, MIPSBE or SMIPS? How it compares with CPU performance of CRS125 or CRS226?
ARM v7 Dual-Core @ 800 MHz
So, similar to the RB3011 being ARM, except a little better than half the clockspeed. IPSEC will be software only until they enable hardware IPSEC? Likely be RouterOS V7 unless I missed something? Could be able to route ~500Mb without fastpath?

Or is the ARM architecture in this one significantly different than the RB3011 and I shouldn't draw conclusions?
RB3011 based on IPQ8064: 2 cores Krait 300 at 1.4 GHz, that similar to Cortex-A15.
RB3011 can provide 300 Mbps with 22-24% CPU usage, without optimizations.
CRS's CPU dont support hardware encryption, only OAM, PTP, PoE and DPI offload.
I think, that 2 cores at 800 MHz can provide average 200 Mbps, maybe more... need to wait real results.
As far as i know it is single core, at least routerboard.com backs me up on that.
CRS326-24G-2S+RM based on Marvell Prestera DX 98DX3236
here is official datasheet for this chip:
https://www.marvell.com/docs/switching/ ... 014-03.pdf
As you can see - Dual-core ARM v7 @ 800 MHz
 
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Re: Newsletter 76

Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:52 pm

[*]802.11ad 60GHz Qualcomm and MikroTik press release
Why does the newsletter state 100m distance when 1km is achievable on that frequency:

Wireless Wire 60G Gigabit Ethernet extender that provides advanced connectivity
between buildings up to 100 meters.
wAP 60G is small unist. Vawe length on 60 Ghz is only 5 mm.
It means, attentuation is too big... for 1 km you need high gain wireless module (TX) and high gain antenna. And no rain or fog)))
 
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Re: Newsletter 76

Tue Jun 13, 2017 2:15 pm

new Dual Boot RouterOS/SwOS 24-port switch CRS326-24G-2S+RM, $199
Stacking! You really need stacking on these! The CPU supports that, and this may be very nice extension for your model line. Very attractive price is good, but ability to connect several switches into one virtual device/chassis may be the killer feature.

And the next step may be 10G or more powerful switches with stacking enabled, of course.

P.S. As RB1100 platform was the first with IPSec h/w acceleration and now it is said CCRs are very good in it, it would be just natural to ask to do some compare and explanation for which purposes which platform is better.

So to say, price difference between new 1100 and CCRs (like 1009) isn't that huge so the performance may be the key choice reason. And as far as CCRs are multi-cored (at least that sounds very significant), like 9 core in CCR1009 vs 4 core in this new 1100, good technical overview is something that a lot of people would welcome. BTW, when these devices be available to order and will be shipped?
 
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Re: Newsletter 76

Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:55 pm

@DmitryAVNET

60 GHZ is Not that much affordable for Rain / FOG

60Ghz had Maximum attenuation for Oxygen

Water is about 24 GHz
 
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Re: Newsletter 76

Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:08 am

Any reason why there is no 48 port switches? We have to use other manufacturers for this...just seems strange.
 
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Re: Newsletter 76

Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:10 am

Any reason why there is no 48 port switches? We have to use other manufacturers for this...just seems strange.
Can't you just connect two 24 port switches? Still more affordable
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Re: Newsletter 76

Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:22 am

Can't you just connect two 24 port switches? Still more affordable
A 48 port switch only takes up 1u, compared to 2u with 2 x 24 port switches. Which is important for switch installs in risers or tight spaces or multiple switches in a cabinet. The price is not always everything.
 
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Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:20 am

Internal storage for what purpose we can use other then Dude.
 
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Re: Newsletter 76

Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:23 am

Internal storage for what purpose we can use other then Dude.
User Manager (not currently on RB1100AHx4, which is an ARM device), Dude, Logs, SMB (file share), Proxy cache.
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Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:29 am

Internal storage for what purpose we can use other then Dude.
User Manager, Dude, Logs, SMB (file share), Proxy cache, Graphs


I already buy and after that i come to know that user manager not available on RB1100AHx4 arm processor,So dispointed now.
whats the future of User manager on arm devices.
 
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@DmitryAVNET
60 GHZ is Not that much affordable for Rain / FOG
60Ghz had Maximum attenuation for Oxygen
Water is about 24 GHz
Rain and fog contains Oxygen )

air => 0.21 02 + 0.79 N2
rain => air + water => (0.21 02 + 0.79 N2) + H2O
fog => air + water => (0.21 02 + 0.79 N2) + H2O (atomized water)
 
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Wed Jun 14, 2017 2:11 pm

Need a small SFP+ switch... Like the CRS106 just SFP+

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Re: Newsletter 76

Wed Jun 14, 2017 2:13 pm

A simultaneous dial band omnitik epilepsy also be great... I have several outdoor areas that it would be great in

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Re: Newsletter 76

Wed Jun 14, 2017 5:30 pm

Hi, we waited that in 76's newsletter we will see CRS317.
Although, in my tweet (2 weeks ago) you said that news (info) about this switch "coming soon" to the distributors.
No news, no updates about CRS317
Distributors don't say anything

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Re: Newsletter 76

Wed Jun 14, 2017 6:03 pm

I was hoping for news of the CRS328-24P-4S+RM.
Any info on release date?
 
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Re: Newsletter 76

Thu Jun 15, 2017 2:37 am

With the powerbox pro, are the PoE ports individually controllable?
They are on the RB960PGS, so I would expect the same with the RB960PGS-PB. As far as I can tell, it's the same device, in an outdoor case.
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@DmitryAVNET
60 GHZ is Not that much affordable for Rain / FOG
60Ghz had Maximum attenuation for Oxygen
Water is about 24 GHz
Rain and fog contains Oxygen )

air => 0.21 02 + 0.79 N2
rain => air + water => (0.21 02 + 0.79 N2) + H2O
fog => air + water => (0.21 02 + 0.79 N2) + H2O (atomized water)
It's the molecule as a whole that absorbs certain wavelengths/frequencies/energies, much more so than the individual atoms that are bound in the molecule. (Below ionizing radiation, anyway.)
For 60GHz RF purposes, rain and fog do contain molecular Oxygen (between droplets of H2O), but the H2O contributes only normal attenuation, not the highly efficient "tuned" attenuation of O2.
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Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:05 am

Is there any way to connect SSD to CCR devices, by the way? Why MT dealing with ARM at all if you guys are producing CCRs and they are quite good, after all?

Focusing on one platform may free up some resources to develop and polish features users cry for for years (accelerated VPNs, user manager on ARM to name a few), and you won't need to answer "not on this platform yet" anymore.
 
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How fast can the CRS326 route with/without NAT, with/without "usual" QoS settings?
And what does it mean that routing can be done on some ports? Do I have to physically connect one of those "router ports" to one of the "switch ports" to make any use of the fact that this is a 24+2 port unit?

On a complete off topic side note: That PDF is an official company flyer and forms people's impression of MikroTik. You should take those extra minutes before releasing the newsletter to get the spelling right. There is no "get's" and you should take care of your it's/its and do/does (the last one found on the CRS's website).

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Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:25 pm

@normis, how about some specifics on the 60Ghz device?
 
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Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:37 am

How fast can the CRS326 route with/without NAT, with/without "usual" QoS settings?
And what does it mean that routing can be done on some ports? Do I have to physically connect one of those "router ports" to one of the "switch ports" to make any use of the fact that this is a 24+2 port unit?
No, this just implies, that this device is meant to be primarily used as a switch, and it's CPU will not easily handle all the ports in routing mode with processing and at full speed. You can of course use all ports for routing, but then you should better look at some of our CCR series devices, not a switch. The performance of the CPU for routing tasks will be published shortly on this page:

https://routerboard.com/CRS326-24G-2SplusRM
On a complete off topic side note: That PDF is an official company flyer and forms people's impression of MikroTik. You should take those extra minutes before releasing the newsletter to get the spelling right. There is no "get's" and you should take care of your it's/its and do/does (the last one found on the CRS's website).
Thanks for noticing, we will correct these. Please note that we are an all-latvian company located in Latvia (Europe). We are trying, but sometimes a few typos can slip by.
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Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:39 am

The performance of the CPU for routing tasks will be published shortly on this page:

https://routerboard.com/CRS326-24G-2SplusRM
Thanks! I'll be looking forward to the results!


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Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:41 pm

I can't understand why the RB1100AHx4 doesn't come with SFP/SFP+ cages. Waiting for RB1100AHx4S+ (?)
 
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Interested to know also on release date for CRS328-24P-4S+RM. Any updates?
 
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Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:22 pm

me two, I´m eagerly awaiting the crs3228 and the crs317
 
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Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:56 pm

The performance of the CPU for routing tasks will be published shortly on this page:

https://routerboard.com/CRS326-24G-2SplusRM
Very much looking forward to this myself, too.
 
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Tue Jun 27, 2017 12:28 pm

Is there already any news on the availability of the 60Ghz devices?
I have seen it working fine in the MUM Milan in March/April.

We have usage for such devices. I believe they can give high capacity backhaul up to 150mtrs.

We already use other 60Ghz solution much to our satisfaction. We have links of 350 and 450 meters running full Gb capacity (aggregated) with 0-1ms latency. Hope Mikrotik can achieve the same.
And if the price is like we are used to with Mikrotik, it can be a very interesting product.

At the Mum there was also words about 60Ghz in a LHG form format. To get the higher gain needed to bridge some bigger distances. The other solution works with either 36 or even 42dBi antenna.
14dBm outpur radio. How much is the Mikrotik solution?

The info for MUM Milan was "Finally some great news on wireless from Mikrotik!" but to be honest 60Ghz solution could be something "great" but so far I am quite dissapointed..... The other small wifi stuff can hardly be called "great news" and is more for niche markets.
We WISPs are waiting for solutions to upgrade our networks. wave2ac, higher capacity AP's and other frequencies like 60Ghz, 24Ghz, 11Ghz etc. Only a glimps on 60Ghz that is still not available can hardly be called "great". (Bwah, I hear this word "Great" to often anyway nowadays... a lot of humbug if you'd ask me. ;-) )
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Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:04 pm

Is there already any news on the availability of the 60Ghz devices?
I have seen it working fine in the MUM Milan in March/April.

We have usage for such devices. I believe they can give high capacity backhaul up to 150mtrs.

We already use other 60Ghz solution much to our satisfaction. We have links of 350 and 450 meters running full Gb capacity (aggregated) with 0-1ms latency. Hope Mikrotik can achieve the same.
And if the price is like we are used to with Mikrotik, it can be a very interesting product.

At the Mum there was also words about 60Ghz in a LHG form format. To get the higher gain needed to bridge some bigger distances. The other solution works with either 36 or even 42dBi antenna.
14dBm outpur radio. How much is the Mikrotik solution?

The info for MUM Milan was "Finally some great news on wireless from Mikrotik!" but to be honest 60Ghz solution could be something "great" but so far I am quite dissapointed..... The other small wifi stuff can hardly be called "great news" and is more for niche markets.
We WISPs are waiting for solutions to upgrade our networks. wave2ac, higher capacity AP's and other frequencies like 60Ghz, 24Ghz, 11Ghz etc. Only a glimps on 60Ghz that is still not available can hardly be called "great". (Bwah, I hear this word "Great" to often anyway nowadays... a lot of humbug if you'd ask me. ;-) )
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Mon Jul 03, 2017 4:56 pm

Hi Norris
Why the newsletter 76 is not completed by CRS328-24P-4S+rm or CRS112-8P-4S or mUPS?
We are waiting for them...
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Re: Newsletter 76

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Hi,
is there an ETA for the routing stats of CRS326?

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Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:42 pm

Hi,

Some new information about 60 ghz devices?
 
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Re: Newsletter 76

Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:02 am

is there an ETA for the routing stats of CRS326?
Keeping in mind its 800 Mhz 1-core CPU I'd say you shouldn't expect much better throughput that you may have with 2011 series. Maybe 100-130 Mbps, from what I can imagine (as a office internet router, that is, WAN with NAT and some inter-VLAN routing).

This is primarily a switch, after all. Maybe after 6.40 will be released (which promised hardware bridge processing and maybe some fastpath/fasttrack improvements) the overall speed may be better a bit.
 
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Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:16 pm

Hi

where is the news about the switch with all port with POE
 
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Fri Jul 21, 2017 11:23 am

You can see the Ethernet test (routing mode) and the Switch test (switching mode) results on the product page:
https://routerboard.com/CRS326-24G-2SplusRM

Ethernet test results
CRS326-24G-2S+RM   98DX3236A1 all port test
Mode      Configuration               1518 byte        512 byte        64 byte
                                     kpps    Mbps    kpps    Mbps    kpps    Mbps
Bridging  none (fast path)           81.3   987.3   235.0   962.6   296.0   151.6
Bridging  25 bridge filter rules     81.3   987.3    90.7   371.5    90.9    46.5
Routing   none (fast path)           81.3   987.3   235.0   962.6   261.9   134.1
Routing   25 simple queues           81.3   987.3   112.6   461.2   111.5    57.1
Routing   25 ip filter rules         59.8   726.2    61.4   251.5    59.5    30.5
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Re: Newsletter 76

Fri Jul 21, 2017 11:33 am

You can see the Ethernet test (routing mode) and the Switch test (switching mode) results on the product page:
Normis, may I please ask you recommendation how to figure out the approximations for NAT performance keeping in mind these "performance" tables you've cited above?
You see, while some device can route, say, 726.2 Mbps in 512 bytes packets, there is no hope it can work at that speed at NAT operation, right?
 
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Fri Jul 21, 2017 11:38 am

You can see the Ethernet test (routing mode) and the Switch test (switching mode) results on the product page:
Normis, may I please ask you recommendation how to figure out the approximations for NAT performance keeping in mind these "performance" tables you've cited above?
You see, while some device can route, say, 726.2 Mbps in 512 bytes packets, there is no hope it can work at that speed at NAT operation, right?
One of the "routing" rows in that case. Probably a bit faster than the "25 filter" rules, but slower than bridging mode.
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