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Re: Urgent security advisory

Thu Mar 29, 2018 5:53 pm

but how do you have access to internals of Mikrotik? Is it official way or not?

It's 100% official. No hacking at all. That's all that I can say for now.

If not, then I should agrre with Normis that you device is not the representative example for the problem.
I could agree that maybe you have example of other malicious activity but are you sure that you are not responsible for opening any "door" to your device?

Seems that you are trying to tell me that if shell access is unofficial - then it leads to "all doors open" issue?

I really think that Mikrotik should publish an extended post with details and explanations of what was fixed and how to be sure that my device is not affected.
 
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Re: Urgent security advisory

Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:12 pm

@Normis
How "random12" user could show us results of "ps", "ls" etc ... Is he cracking his own router or uses some Mikrotik's debug/special module?

Simple question: How?
There exists a special NPK package that you can install and gain access to shell. This is not public. This user must have gotten it from MikroTik support. Sometimes this package is installed by MikroTik support when debuging a live installation, but is usually removed. Don't ask, we will not share it :)

Hello!
How we can check if the MKT is compromised and the running processes?
As reported by other users also newer versions may be affected!
 
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Re: Urgent security advisory

Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:09 pm

Seems that you are trying to tell me that if shell access is unofficial
Yes, that is what I am saying. There is no official way to do it, sorry, this is again misinformation.
You are changing clothes on the go. Now you say that upgrade to 6.41.3 is mandatory.
OK, maybe I can say it in some other way.

1) Upgrade to 6.38.5 fixes the botnet scanner and removes it.
2) Upgrade to 6.41.3 fixes SMB vulnerability.

This topic is about #1, but you don't seem to have this issue at all, you have some other files in your system. Since you have shell access, I can't say how you got those files in your system. I suggested clean Netinstall to restore system to defaults.
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Re: Urgent security advisory

Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:35 pm

Normis thanks for this thread.


We have been dillgently upgrading all devices to 6.40.6 , locking down all http/winbox access for time being both from internal and external networks.SSH Access is only allowed from management IT management subnets for time being.
Will the 6.41.3 fixes for the SMB vulnerability be backported to the BugFix only code base any time soon ?

We'd have to do a mountain of tests before we are able to move to the Current stable.
 
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Re: Urgent security advisory

Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:12 pm

We had a DOS attack last night for the first time in awhile. I have some firewall rules that normally shuts these attacks down but didn't last night for some reason. Could this have been the cause of this? When I was touching the interface I saw all the traffic from different IPs but no ports were showing with them.
 
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Re: Urgent security advisory

Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:14 pm

Hello,

I followed the instructions , but how I can find I my routers affected with this vulnerability.

Thank you
 
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Re: Urgent security advisory

Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:37 pm

There is also the "/system upgrade" command which allows downloads from local location, but it is not clear to me if
this is a recommended mechanism for new use, as it is mentioned very little.
It dates from before the Internet-enabled /system package update facility. MikroTik would much rather you always update to their newest releases to make it easier on their support staff, so the newer one is the one they promote heaviest. Conversely, their customers who run networks and are interested in testing and certification often prefer the older one because they can test a specific release and then ensure that only that release gets distributed to their network devices.
It would be nice when a mechanism can be established and configured by default in our routers to automatically update
to minimally some pre-established version. I.e on some central server a version could be stored for different architectures
and all routers will make sure their software version is at least that version. It would be possible to individually upgrade
routers to higher versions and they would not downgrade themselves to that centrally stored version, but when a router
has a lower version it would auto-upgrade itself, e.g. once a day.

Such a config would allow us to keep the network safe (e.g. in cases like this worm), without all routers automatically
tracking whatever MikroTik releases in current or bug-fix. So testing can be done and tested versions put on that
central server...

Would it be advisable to build something like this using "/system upgrade" and a scheduled job? Is there an example?
We have done precisely what you describe. It’s a rather complicated script, because the MikroTik-supplied facility breaks down when the connection fails for any reason in mid transfer, etc., but the scripts we have written take care of all that and do run nightly. If you contact me off list, I’ll send you a copy that you can work from.
 
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Re: Urgent security advisory

Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:07 pm

Hello, good morning, in case of mass update, more than 320 equipments, is there any script?
I wrote one in perl that can do this sort of thing. There are some example methods on the wiki for how to automate a bunch of this as well.
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Re: Urgent security advisory

Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:56 pm

Thanks for replying, I could make it available because WIKI has nothing specific, API ports, API-SSL, Telnet, SSH and 80 clients are deactivated, I need to bulk update via Mac-Telnet.
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Re: Urgent security advisory

Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:56 pm

I wrote one in perl that can do this sort of thing. There are some example methods on the wiki for how to automate a bunch of this as well.
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Thanks for replying, I could make it available because WIKI has nothing specific, API ports, API-SSL, Telnet, SSH and 80 clients are deactivated, I need to bulk update via Mac-Telnet.
 
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Re: Urgent security advisory

Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:42 am

1/If i change winbox port from 8291 to others port number? Am on safe or no?
2/My version 6.40.x? Should upgrade?
 
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Re: Urgent security advisory

Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:55 am

@Normis
How "random12" user could show us results of "ps", "ls" etc ... Is he cracking his own router or uses some Mikrotik's debug/special module?

Simple question: How?
There exists a special NPK package that you can install and gain access to shell. This is not public. This user must have gotten it from MikroTik support. Sometimes this package is installed by MikroTik support when debuging a live installation, but is usually removed. Don't ask, we will not share it :)
Why isn't this NPK available for everyone? If winbox, webfig, etc can't show proper indicators of compromise then it's important that we can use CLI tools to verify there are no rogue binaries, especially as the screenshots seem to demonstrate that the updated RouterOS doesn't actually remove persistent malware.
 
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Re: Urgent security advisory

Fri Mar 30, 2018 5:00 am

Why isn't this NPK available for everyone? If winbox, webfig, etc can't show proper indicators of compromise then it's important that we can use CLI tools to verify there are no rogue binaries, especially as the screenshots seem to demonstrate that the updated RouterOS doesn't actually remove persistent malware.
It isn't available because MikroTik has decided that they do not want it available. As for verification, there are NUMEROUS examples in this thread of people saying how to tell you are infected and how to remove the infection.

1. If you have outbound traffic from the router on telnet (and maybe more) with no other explanation, then that router is infected.
2. To fix it, upgrade the router to the latest routeros (this fixes all known attacks)

To keep it from happening again, you should do what SHOULD be done BEFORE it is put on the internet and protect these ports.
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Re: Urgent security advisory

Fri Mar 30, 2018 9:16 am

Seems that you are trying to tell me that if shell access is unofficial - then it leads to "all doors open" issue?
Kind of .. if you have enabled filesystem for r/w operations, if any (if there are some) preventive locks are released with enabling "internals", if worm has access to bigger part of system files ... who knows what could happen. Even it happens then your example is not representative as car crash during WRC race is not representative example of common car crash for "average" driver.

BTW ... I'm waiting when you publish this "100% official" access to Mikrotiks internals.
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Re: Urgent security advisory

Fri Mar 30, 2018 10:54 am

Thanks for replying, I could make it available because WIKI has nothing specific, API ports, API-SSL, Telnet, SSH and 80 clients are deactivated, I need to bulk update via Mac-Telnet.
RoMoN's mac based SSH is the real tool for cases like this.
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Re: Urgent security advisory

Fri Mar 30, 2018 10:57 am

There is also the "/system upgrade" command which allows downloads from local location, but it is not clear to me if
this is a recommended mechanism for new use, as it is mentioned very little.
It dates from before the Internet-enabled /system package update facility. MikroTik would much rather you always update to their newest releases to make it easier on their support staff, so the newer one is the one they promote heaviest. Conversely, their customers who run networks and are interested in testing and certification often prefer the older one because they can test a specific release and then ensure that only that release gets distributed to their network devices.
That is right, this is why I raise this. I would not like the entire network to reboot whenever a new release is made that may not even be important (e.g. it just introduces new features outside the scope of our network), but conversely I would like to offer the service to keep those that do not pay attention uptodate to a major version that is not known to be vulnerable.
So the version on the local server would be updated when a security advisory occurs and whenever a newer version is stable and desirable to have.

I would be happy to let it retrieve it from the MikroTik servers if only we got a capability to have some "custom channel" where a local server determines what is the target version.
(e.g. define a custom channel by specifying a server or router that has a file or variable holding the target version, and only upgrade, not downgrade, to that version)
We have done precisely what you describe. It’s a rather complicated script, because the MikroTik-supplied facility breaks down when the connection fails for any reason in mid transfer, etc., but the scripts we have written take care of all that and do run nightly. If you contact me off list, I’ll send you a copy that you can work from.
Ah, and breaking connections is of course a common occurrence when all routers in the network decide at 03:00 to fetch and upgrade their RouterOS....
I already thought of that problem. There should be some randomness in the schedule time, probably. And indeed a recovery when a transfer fails.
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Re: Urgent security advisory

Fri Mar 30, 2018 11:01 am

Thanks for replying, I could make it available because WIKI has nothing specific, API ports, API-SSL, Telnet, SSH and 80 clients are deactivated, I need to bulk update via Mac-Telnet.
There is a Posix (Linux/freebsd/etc) mactelnet tool available on the internet and with the "expect" tool it should be possible to make it connect to a list of routers and issue the required commands:

/system package update check-for-updates
:delay 10
/system package update install
 
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Re: Urgent security advisory

Fri Mar 30, 2018 11:57 am

@Normis
How "random12" user could show us results of "ps", "ls" etc ... Is he cracking his own router or uses some Mikrotik's debug/special module?

Simple question: How?
There exists a special NPK package that you can install and gain access to shell. This is not public. This user must have gotten it from MikroTik support. Sometimes this package is installed by MikroTik support when debuging a live installation, but is usually removed. Don't ask, we will not share it :)
Of course it could be considered to offer some read-only commands like ps and ls via RouterOS commands. I have seen other embedded-linux deviced that have this.
Or, they could be made part of the supout (they probably already are...) and displayed in the supout viewer tool.
 
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Re: Urgent security advisory

Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:15 pm

Each "pros" has it's "cons" ... making such information visible makes cracking easier.
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Re: Urgent security advisory

Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:27 pm

Each "pros" has it's "cons" ... making such information visible makes cracking easier.
There is no difference. A cracker is not held back by obscurity.
 
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Re: Urgent security advisory

Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:28 pm

OK, maybe I can say it in some other way.

1) Upgrade to 6.38.5 fixes the botnet scanner and removes it.
2) Upgrade to 6.41.3 fixes SMB vulnerability.

This topic is about #1, but you don't seem to have this issue at all, you have some other files in your system.

Let me tell you how I see if from the customer perspective.

Imagine that something (like mail notification) or someone (a colleague of mine) told me about "Urgent security advisory" that Mikrotik have published on their website/forum.
And for some reasons, I have a version that it lower than v6.38.5 on my device. After reading your first post in this thread I am installing "v6.38.5" and this let me think that I am safe.
But I am not. Because you did not mention that there was an even worse vulnerability (SMB or some other) that was discovered later and I have to install 6.41.3 to fix this latter issue as well.

Seems that that was exactly our case. We did install 6.40.5 when we discovered that our mikrotiks made ssh connections to our internal network and also there were established connections from mikrotiks to some other machines on the internet (may be it was a tunnel through mikrotik, I don't know).

You are not publishing details about discovered vulnerabilities, even brief description and what your customers told you and what your support engineers discovered during their investigations of vulnerable devices.

You just telling us - upgrade to some version and you are safe.

For me, it seems that your very first fix was not complete and did not fully fix the issue.
That's why we could see malicious processes even when we upgraded to 6.40.5.
And you solved this issue only when you released a subsequent fix (in the next version of firmware).


Since you have shell access, I can't say how you got those files in your system.


This sounds funny: you blame me on everything just because I have this "shell access" on my device.
 
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Re: Urgent security advisory

Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:47 pm

Ah, and breaking connections is of course a common occurrence when all routers in the network decide at 03:00 to fetch and upgrade their RouterOS....
I already thought of that problem. There should be some randomness in the schedule time, probably. And indeed a recovery when a transfer fails.
Off-list contact is disabled on this board. I would appreciate it when you mail me your script at my username @ amsat.org
The scripts we have already randomize by the last nibble of the MAC address snd it works well. Link radios, CPEs, and core routers all have different time blocks. Mostly the interruptions are caused by storm activity or power outages.

Also, the MikroTik standard process doesn’t load NPKs in a safe order. Nothing is as much fun as when a CPE loads the system package first, then gets interrupted before downloading wireless. When it next comes up, it’s running the new system, but nobody can talk to It and you have to send out a truck.

I will ship you the script sometime before Monday. I have a full schedule for the next two days.
 
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Re: Urgent security advisory

Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:37 pm

Will the 6.41.3 fixes for the SMB vulnerability be backported to the BugFix only code base any time soon ?
Under no circumstances should your device have unfirewalled and open SMB shares on the internet. If you don't, this issue should not worry you.
We will put the fix into Bugfix once it is tested enough, the Bugfix versions must be highly stable before they are released, we don't rush them.
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Re: Urgent security advisory

Fri Mar 30, 2018 2:13 pm

Hello

Normis. Please MT to do , ROS mass update tool. do: upgrade, execute script

example.
login to all MT via winbox port to all ROS devices from ip class/range, and do update or prepared command: example ip service www disable
 
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Fri Mar 30, 2018 2:21 pm

Also, the MikroTik standard process doesn’t load NPKs in a safe order. Nothing is as much fun as when a CPE loads the system package first, then gets interrupted before downloading wireless. When it next comes up, it’s running the new system, but nobody can talk to It and you have to send out a truck.
Ah I thought the procedure was to first download all the packages, then install them all upon reboot... maybe this is different for that method.
Usually our devices run the bundle package, plus sometimes an optional package like ntp, So this should not be an issue.
And our network is sufficiently meshed to allow access to a device from wireless and ethernet in most cases.
 
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Re: Urgent security advisory

Fri Mar 30, 2018 7:29 pm

Hello

Normis. Please MT to do , ROS mass update tool. do: upgrade, execute script

example.
login to all MT via winbox port to all ROS devices from ip class/range, and do update or prepared command: example ip service www disable
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Re: Urgent security advisory

Sat Mar 31, 2018 12:22 am

Also, the MikroTik standard process doesn’t load NPKs in a safe order. Nothing is as much fun as when a CPE loads the system package first, then gets interrupted before downloading wireless. When it next comes up, it’s running the new system, but nobody can talk to It and you have to send out a truck.
Ah I thought the procedure was to first download all the packages, then install them all upon reboot... maybe this is different for that method.
Usually our devices run the bundle package, plus sometimes an optional package like ntp, So this should not be an issue.
And our network is sufficiently meshed to allow access to a device from wireless and ethernet in most cases.
Upon reviewing my code, I remembered what the problem was. There is a bug in /system upgrade where if you choose download-and-reboot, it will begin downloading packages – then if for some reason it doesn’t complete (like a network disconnection), it will timeout the download, but then will reboot anyway! This means that you end up with a machine that doesn’t have all the packages it needs, and if it’s a CPE and one of the missing packages is wireless, it’s off the network until you can drive out to it. Like you, we maintain redundant paths to almost all of our transport units, but CPEs are dead-ended by their nature.

We don’t use the consolidated NPK – to optimize resources, we load only the six or seven individual packages that we need.
 
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Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:17 am

It is actually quite ironic that hackers and botnets have shell access to our devices but we dont :))
 
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Re: Urgent security advisory

Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:48 am

Ironic wouldn't be the word I would choose... Not having shell access in routeros has always been a serious flaw in a great product. And that this access is there without Mikrotik for the black hats now, pretty much invalidates any reason that we shouldn't. Strange files were the easiest way of determining if UBNT products were hacked. Just telling us Upgrade and pray is completely the wrong tact to take. "Trust us we are on this" did not work for UBNT..
 
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Re: Urgent security advisory

Sat Mar 31, 2018 8:31 am

Assign cases, not "that's the other problem"
1) Upgrade to 6.38.5 fixes the botnet scanner and removes it. <cite specific article>
2) Upgrade to 6.41.3 fixes SMB vulnerability. <cite specific article>
<clarify differences>
 
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Re: Urgent security advisory

Sat Mar 31, 2018 11:00 am

I recommend that you re-read all the posts from "normis". Seems that we are going into circles.

1) Winbox port is used only to find out that this is RouterOS powered device (Winbox is not affected by vulnerabilities that we know of);
2) WWW service ("/ip service") is used in order to "hack" your router if Firewall did not drop connections to this port (affected service was Webfig which by default is running on port 80, but you can change port under "/ip service" menu and then this other port must be protected). For example, "/ip firewall filter add chain=input action=drop in-interface=WAN connection-state=new";
3) Issue with SMB is completely another thing but the same rules apply. If device (in this case SMB port) is protected by firewall, then no one can use this issue in order to mess up with your router. Usually attacks come to your router from public Internet (not from LAN) and in normal situation SMB access is not open for public Internet;
4) There is not and will not be an official way to gain access to routers shell.

You will be safe from both of these issues if you upgrade your routers (6.38.5 for WWW issue and 6.41.3 for SMB). In order to upgrade many devices at the same time - you can use MikroTik tool called The Dude or use scripts.
 
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Sat Mar 31, 2018 12:15 pm

strods,

I hope you understand that the "NAT router to internet" scenario is not the only application of MikroTik routers, and that in fact
a lot of these routers are used in a scenario where there are many users (of which it is not certain that all can be trusted) interconnected
by (wireless) links.
Of course one would not deploy (IMHO useless) services like SMB on such routers, but it is quite common that the WWW service
is available at least to some local subnet.
Also, those networks are not always managed by one single entity. Users connect to a friendly neighbor, but there is no place
where an update of all devices can be performed, nobody has all the access and all the passwords.

On most routers we have a separate admin network so the users cannot connect it, and we also use address lists with trusted
addresses that are allowed to access the router admin interfaces, but this is not completely reliable (addresses can be spoofed)
and it is also not easy to manage (the use of DNS-based address lists is considered to fragile fo this purpose, and RouterOS lacks
a mechanism for central management of a large number of routers without custom programming). So on access points we normally
don't have this address list and only the "block from outside our network range".

So the generic solution of "assume all the bad guys are on the internet so firewall that and you are safe" is a little bit too limited.
We need good security for the built-in services, and foremost we need more openness from your side about security issues.
Not those vague "improved the reliability" on change notices when there is in fact a security issue being fixed.
And preferably some separate forum area or place on your website where security related info can be easily found, including
any known issues that have been fixed and in what version.

Don't tell us that disclosing such information would potentially help the bad guys; we all know that it does not work like that anymore!
The information will get around anyway, except that it will be only in the hands of the abd guys and those that want to keep their
networks secure are left in the dark.
 
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Re: Urgent security advisory

Sat Mar 31, 2018 3:21 pm

In order to upgrade many devices at the same time - you can use MikroTik tool called The Dude or use scripts.
Dude ok , it is ok for update network (added to dude), but how upgrade clients not add to dude ?
I do not intend to add or monitor a few thousand clients in dude.

is there any way for dude to upgrade automatically without adding devices to the map / dude?
I do not want these devices in dude.

Only something on the basis of the range ip or class and does the upgrade.
Or it runs a script on each turn.
 
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Re: Urgent security advisory

Sat Mar 31, 2018 3:58 pm

Thanks for advise of security purpose
 
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Re: Urgent security advisory

Sat Mar 31, 2018 6:54 pm

I can upload this /rw/info file if you need it, virustotal analysis shows nothing.
These are leftover files. They don't do anything. This is not the program itself, only some remaining things it created. You can delete those if you like, but the device is no longer "infected" as you say

Normis - It's somewhat comforting that Mikrotik is confident that the upgrade to 6.41.3 "cures" the infection. But, I have to say that random12's posts have me very nervous. I understand that he has used an unofficial (or unsupported) shell to observe what's running on his box, and that could be the source of his additional problem. But, I don't think we have any clear evidence that the ram.info file, etc. running in memory on his 6.41.3 machine is not the norm after an attack by this botnet.

Can I suggest that it would be prudent of Mikrotik to review a number of previously infected machines (maybe 20 samples or so) and use your tools to verify that there are NOT any unusual files running in memory after a 6.41.3 upgrade (I understand that the files may left be on disk)? Then, assuming that it is true that a 6.41.3 upgrade does restore the machine to normal status, you can post that you have actually tested and analyzed 6.41.3 upgraded routers and confirm that an infected machine is absolutely clean after?

I am very concerned that random12's process list is the same type of thing that I may have on a handful of infected machines. If that's the case, we could all be sitting on a much, much bigger time bomb than what began last week.

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Re: Urgent security advisory

Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:45 pm

I would never run a massive upgrade on my network. What if something goes wrong? I think that massive router upgrade is not a very smart idea.
 
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Re: Urgent security advisory

Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:48 pm

I fully agree, upgrading is part of general maintenance and should always be done in a controlled matter ...
Maintenance takes time and cost money.
 
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Re: Urgent security advisory

Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:51 pm

If you have upgraded your router to the latest RouterOS version and you still have doubts that your router might be infected (we have not seen such case so far), then please contact support@mikrotik.com. If you have additional questions or concerns, then please send a message to support@mikrotik.com
 
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Re: Urgent security advisory

Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:57 pm

Also I would never leave an open access for anyone besides me or other administrators for particular services. Had some of the MIPSLE units running on old version at the clients office - all of them were affected. Fixed them with Netinstall. Problem was - do not trust particular IP addresses. There was an open access for an IP which most likely was affected too and infected my route as well.
 
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Re: Urgent security advisory

Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:19 pm

I would never run a massive upgrade on my network. What if something goes wrong? I think that massive router upgrade is not a very smart idea.
As this incident shows, massively not upgrading is an even worse idea.

What I suggested is a method of keeping a minimal version on routers configured to retrieve that from a configured location.
Upgrades can start manually, tested, and only when confident that the version to be installed is OK and the migration is smooth, it will
be made available for the others. Depending on the frequency at which the routers check if there is an update, the updates can still
be spread over time.

Note that not all networks are centrally managed. The internet isn't, but some other networks aren't either. So "pushing" updates is
not always realistic, but voluntarily pulling updates can be. However, there is no existing mechanism to do that, it can only be scripted.
 
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Re: Urgent security advisory

Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:46 pm

We see a development (and others too) port scanning for winbox 8291 is dropping while port 2000 (bandwidth-test-service) is going strong.
Also telnet ist still highly active with those hijacked mikrotiks.
 
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Re: Urgent security advisory

Sat Mar 31, 2018 11:28 pm

We see a development (and others too) port scanning for winbox 8291 is dropping while port 2000 (bandwidth-test-service) is going strong.
Also telnet ist still highly active with those hijacked mikrotiks.

Can confirm this. Although no clue yet if port 2000 is used just for probing or if there is another vulnerability.

edit: https://twitter.com/360Netlab/status/980078343738535936
 
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Re: Urgent security advisory

Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:25 am

Can confirm this. Although no clue yet if port 2000 is used just for probing or if there is another vulnerability.

edit: https://twitter.com/360Netlab/status/980078343738535936
seems kinda logical. open tcp/2000 port can hint Mikrotik device as well, so the exploit against it can be launched.
as you have the credentials for a router, bandwidth-test is a great (built-in) way to launch ddos attacks.
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Re: Urgent security advisory

Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:13 am

You are mixing up two different topics! Botnet is discussed here.
It's more than related: since "the botnet issue" has started we detected malicious activity on our Mikrotiks.
I tend to think that you have detected malicious activity unrelated to the botnet issue discussed in this post.

An SMB vuln was resolved in 6.41.3. Perhaps that is your issue.
Release 6.41.3 2018-03-12
What's new in 6.41.3 (2018-Mar-08 11:55):

!) smb - fixed vulnerability, everyone using this feature is urged to upgrade;
Given, I'd like to know more about this new SMB vulnerability, but there is a tough balancing act between the generic "SMB vulnerability" announcement, and providing details that might unintentionally make it easier for attackers to take advantage of the vulnerability before people have the opportunity to update. I don't have SMB open, nor have I ever exposed port 80 to public sources. Not exposing services to any network unnecessarily is best practice. Discovering that after a successful attack is hardly Mikrotik's fault. The security of devices we are managing which are connected to other networks are our responsibility to secure. May as well start with the basics like not exposing unnecessary services to the world.
 
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Re: Urgent security advisory

Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:45 am

Thanks for advisory.

In my router i have disable port telnet and ssh.
I have set up a firewall role that detect and block all ip that scan my network.

I think i am save.

Thanks Normin.
 
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Re: Urgent security advisory

Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:01 pm

Given, I'd like to know more about this new SMB vulnerability, but there is a tough balancing act between the generic "SMB vulnerability" announcement, and providing details that might unintentionally make it easier for attackers to take advantage of the vulnerability before people have the opportunity to update.
That is just hogwash. The attackers do not use this information to know what devices they can attack, they have their own channels for that.
So keeping back details is just going to hurt the legitimate users, not the attackers.

The current "!) smb - fixed vulnerability, everyone using this feature is urged to upgrade; " is of course the very mininum that should be there in
the release notes, in earlier versions it was something like "!) smb - improved reliability of pathname scanner" and that not the info we as the users need.

However, it still can be improved. Like mentioning the CVE ID for each vulnerability that has been fixed, making it easier for users to evaluate
if this vulnerability is a problem for them. Often a vulnerability is mainly a DoS and in that case one could postpone upgrading a bit more than
in case it allows elevation of privilege or execution of code in highly privileged context.

(which is an area in which MikroTik apparently need to improve - a remote code execution vulnerability in SMB should be not so harmful when
the SMB software is running as a lower privileged user that has no filesystem access outside the user visible file area and there are no known
local privilege escalation attacks)
 
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Re: Urgent security advisory

Sun Apr 01, 2018 3:45 pm

The automatic script spreading around the World uses Winbox port to determine a RouterOS powered device. You are not protected against the vulnerability from any other automated script or hacker attacking your device by protecting Winbox (or, for example, BTest server) port. You are safe only if you upgrade your device - this is the only permanent solution. You can protect your device by firewall - you will be safe from the attack only if you drop access for WWW service (since attacker can be also on your local network - we can not provide precise example how to protect yourself 100%. To put it in another words - WWW service must be allowed only for trusted devices).

Please note that we are providing an examples for you. Previously mentioned ways how to protect yourself, how to upgrade devices, etc. If you want to figure out the best solution for your particular case - please write to support. We will be happy to help you. We can not in single forum post provide an example of anything which would satisfy everyone and everyones network.
 
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Re: Urgent security advisory

Sun Apr 01, 2018 4:23 pm

Dose not have smb correction for bugfix version?
Why exist the bugfix version?
Does The bugfix not have smb vulnerability?
I apologize my grammatical errors, my english not so good, I am not a native speaker.
Wiki is maintained in English. I use Google translator. 8)
 
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Re: Urgent security advisory

Sun Apr 01, 2018 5:55 pm

With massive upgrade I did mean many devices at the same time. I have upgraded all of mine as soon as I heard about the problem. But I always perform an upgrade one device by one. I have learned that from release topics where people are complaining that all of the devices have to be reinstalled due to the version. Why would you upgrade all of them right away.... I never do that - one by one only!
Seems that TLDR applies sometimes in this forum. Answer for your question juliokato is right here viewtopic.php?f=21&t=132499&start=50#p651331
 
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Re: Urgent security advisory

Sun Apr 01, 2018 6:44 pm

Dose not have smb correction for bugfix version?
Why exist the bugfix version?
Does The bugfix not have smb vulnerability?
No SMB fix, yet in the bugfix.
More stable version.
The bugfix has the SMB vulnerability. See answer answer one.
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