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Re: URGENT security reminder

Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:05 am

Seems that it is no longer functional, as I tried it, and did not see anything similar to a script. I think the domains have expired or have been seized.
Read this article here about more details on all this issue:

https://blog.avast.com/mikrotik-routers ... aign-avast
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Re: URGENT security reminder

Sun Oct 28, 2018 8:16 pm

So, I got some routers that are "hacked" and has some stuff on them.
I try to clean them and then upgrade, but I cant, the upgrades wont get true. Is the only option to netinstall them?

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Re: URGENT security reminder

Sun Oct 28, 2018 8:19 pm

Why to waste time? Netinstall and import configuration via script if you have one.
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Re: URGENT security reminder

Sun Oct 28, 2018 8:35 pm

Cause I have routers all over the country, that's why I'am asking and cant be the only one who has that.
 
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Re: URGENT security reminder

Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:59 pm

i ll try to fix it, and if your advise will help i would be happy
 
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Re: URGENT security reminder

Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:38 pm

Hello guys, is there any chance to get into hacked device and dump actual configuration?

I regret to tell you that that one of my RB3011 has been hacked this week even though it has ROS 6.43.4 on it and recommended security measures was applied (winbox access is restricted only from LAN).

Unfortunately the thing is that I only performed upgrade each time, because I simply didn't see any evidence of changed configuration in the exported script from older ROS version.
Therefore, it would be pretty interesting for all of us, what is behind the "scenes".
Currently Winbox login does not work, nor ssh.

Any thoughts?
Thank you for your help.
 
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Re: URGENT security reminder

Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:48 am

What makes you so sure it is hacked, if you say only LAN was open and upgrade had been done?
If you don't have ANY access to it, maybe it's just "dead" (broken)?
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Re: URGENT security reminder

Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:48 pm

Well, this suspected branch office router was still connected via SSTP tunel to the "main" router, therefore I had still full access to the remote site via SSTP tunel. I just couldn't login into the router. Only what I got is typical wrong username/password message. So I had to turn it off and use only backup link.
Moreover, I saw in the statistics provided by my ISP, the outgoing traffic was ranging at 80% of uplink speed constantly in last few days. Which is not typical expected traffic shape from that branch office.
I am still wondering how this could happened.
Thank you for help.
 
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Re: URGENT security reminder

Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:16 pm

Hey martinees, did you had a backup partition on that router? If you do, switch to it and override the primary?
 
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Re: URGENT security reminder

Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:30 pm

Seems that it is no longer functional, as I tried it, and did not see anything similar to a script. I think the domains have expired or have been seized.
Read this article here about more details on all this issue:

https://blog.avast.com/mikrotik-routers ... aign-avast
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Re: URGENT security reminder

Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:04 am

Hi, Just want to be sure is that the same case of security issue or this is new?
 
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Re: URGENT security reminder

Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:30 pm

Same old
 
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Re: URGENT security reminder

Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:52 pm

I am still wondering how this could happened.
Credentials leaked in the past using some older, now closed, vulnerability could have been used to access the device if remote access to a management service (winbox, ssh, https) was still possible from outside (via the WAN interface).

If no management access was permitted from outside but it was from inside, a malware running on one of the LAN devices may have used the previously leaked credentials to connect from there, or may have made use of some vulnerability not publicly known yet.

If the bad guys have found a way to let their software survive an upgrade, they may have used that instead of just preventing the upgrade from happening as was reported several times recently (in these cases, when you've uploaded the .npk file, it disappeared so it wasn't used after reboot).

So the only solution is netinstall, but even then, leaving management access open for anything in the LAN may not be safe.
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Re: URGENT security reminder

Tue Dec 04, 2018 3:18 am

... noobs won't and will be secured.
Noobs will scream when their router randomly restart (because it was just applying updates during their gameplay)
Noobs will sue mikrotik when the router breaks some config during update as they will wake up one day and device won't work...

Right now, people are responsible for setting and updating their routers. If router gets hacked, it is usually user's fault as some management interface was accessible from internet. Even vulnerable version wouldn't be hacked, if routers were properly set up.
Therefore, Automatic updates will not really help because properly setup router is not vulnerable. In addition, automatic updates will put responsibility on Mikrotik's shoulders. Any issue with upgrade will hit many people who will have no idea how to fix it.

Personally, I don't think it is worth it. (it might be, if all updates were without single issue, but it is getting more common lately, that upgrade brings some issues which needs to be addressed by person)
 
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Re: URGENT security reminder

Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:59 pm

Noobs will scream when their router randomly restart (because it was just applying updates during their gameplay)
Tools -> Traffic Monitor :) "If there's no traffic for the last 5 minutes - it's okay to upgrade" xD
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Re: URGENT security reminder

Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:26 pm

= never :D
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Re: URGENT security reminder

Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:47 pm

= never :D
But they will stop complaining about the feature missing! xD
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Re: URGENT security reminder

Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:59 pm

Noobs will scream when their router randomly restart (because it was just applying updates during their gameplay)
Tools -> Traffic Monitor :) "If there's no traffic for the last 5 minutes - it's okay to upgrade" xD
= never :D
But they will stop complaining about the feature missing! xD
How cute. We all know that there is only one way for this to be done correctly.

Implement telepathic sensing software in all routers. When there is a new upgrade available, check if all residents are asleep. If all residents are asleep, check if any of them are dreaming of possible ongoing downloads or important services that need to stay online.
If telepathic sensing detect nothing of concern, initiate internal reality simulation to predict the future. What would the future be like if the router upgraded right now? If customer would complain about the interruption, don't upgrade. What would the future be like if the router DID NOT upgrade right now? If customer would complain about the lack of auto-upgrade, upgrade the router. If the customer would complain either way, then toture the simulated customer for a billion years and brick the router.
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Re: URGENT security reminder

Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:00 pm

We are working on that for v7
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Re: URGENT security reminder

Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:03 pm

We are working on that for v7
I'd say that this is already done in v7 alpha as it's the easy part. I bet that showstopper is implementation of letsencrypt certificate autoupdate.
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Re: URGENT security reminder

Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:06 pm

I was talking about mind reading and future prediction, but ok
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Re: URGENT security reminder

Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:12 pm

Me too.
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Re: URGENT security reminder

Thu Dec 06, 2018 3:17 pm

We are working on that for v7
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Re: URGENT security reminder

Thu Dec 06, 2018 3:23 pm

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Re: URGENT security reminder

Thu Dec 06, 2018 3:37 pm

Teasing us :) wish we could have an alpha/beta for Christmas to play with

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Re: URGENT security reminder

Thu Dec 06, 2018 3:40 pm

This sums up how I think ROS 7 is communicated! :-)
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Re: URGENT security reminder

Thu Dec 06, 2018 3:42 pm

No, major misunderstanding :D

Not "it will be fixed in v7", but "It can only be fixed in v7".
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Re: URGENT security reminder

Thu Dec 06, 2018 3:45 pm

No, major misunderstanding :D

Not "it will be fixed in v7", but "It can only be fixed in v7".
So sorry but I could not just contain myself ;-) Not that I'm missing V7 I just follow the forum :-)
 
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Re: URGENT security reminder

Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:44 pm

This was posted february 2015 by normis
We will release a beta, when it will exist. Currently v7 is in alpha stage, many functions are not completed and non functional. Beta needs at least all functions to be somewhat operational.
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V7 are not at alpha167

So V7beta1 should be the next after alpha 999
An v7 Release-candidate men be out after beta 999
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Looking for the beta to be announced:
Alpha means "internal testing".
When we will have "public testing" (meaning Beta), we will announce it here.
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Re: URGENT security reminder

Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:32 pm

Normis, is it public FTP? Is it in ipv4 address space? xD
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Re: URGENT security reminder

Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:13 pm

Is it in ipv4 address space?
Sure it is: 127.0.0.1 :-P
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Re: URGENT security reminder

Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:03 pm

I like this site better
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