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February Newsletter #87

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:39 pm
by normis
In this MikroTik newsletter:

- new 8 x SFP+ port switch CRS309-1G-8S+IN
- new wAP 60Gx3 60GHz Sector Base Station
- new low cost 60GHz CPE LHG Lite60
- InterCell - LTE Base Stations, preorders available
- new active direct attach 5m cable
- RB4011 rackmount ears
- MUM schedule
- MUM Europe 2019 in Austria

Download newsletter here:
https://download2.mikrotik.com/news/news_87.pdf

Re: January Newsletter #87

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:04 pm
by rushlife
CRS332-32S+RM
CRS354-48P-4S+2Q+
CRS354-48G-4S+2Q+


still nothing ?
:"(

Re: January Newsletter #87

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:09 pm
by mistry7
wAP 60Gx3

Does it have 3 interface that means 3x2 Ghz Channels?

Re: January Newsletter #87

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:42 pm
by mkx
wAP 60Gx3

Does it have 3 interface that means 3x2 Ghz Channels?

Propaganda letter says:
... It uses breakthrough antenna design, that consists of 96 elements to provide unprecedented 180 degree beam-forming coverage (three times bigger than regular wAP 60G AP!) ...
(highliting is mine)

Re: January Newsletter #87

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:50 pm
by normis
wrong highlight, though. I would highlight the previous sentence, where it says that there are more antenna elements, so it's basically a sector design. not more interfaces.

Re: January Newsletter #87

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:57 pm
by mistry7
wrong highlight, though. I would highlight the previous sentence, where it says that there are more antenna elements, so it's basically a sector design. not more interfaces.
OK, 4 port switch with POE?

Re: January Newsletter #87

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:58 pm
by mkx
Number of antenna elements by itself doesn't say anything about where's performance difference (the increased number of antenna elements could be used as well for better focussing which would mean higher gain) ... that's why I highlited what I highlited.

Re: January Newsletter #87

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:04 pm
by normis
there is no performance difference. the new sector wAP60 simply has a wider antenna angle, that is all.

Re: January Newsletter #87

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:42 pm
by marekm
It would be nice to be able to connect 3x as many stations per sector though - still limited to max 8.

Re: January Newsletter #87

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:13 pm
by soooc
It would be nice to be able to connect 3x as many stations per sector though - still limited to max 8.
Please :)

Re: January Newsletter #87

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:20 pm
by mkx
there is no performance difference. the new sector wAP60 simply has a wider antenna angle, that is all.

Wider antenna aperture while maintaining antenna gain (due to beam forming) makes performance difference. At least to me.

Re: January Newsletter #87

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:40 pm
by WirelessRudy
Why is the client limit of the 60Ghz AP's still 8?
Is this a chip set limit, software? Practical?

An AP with a wider beam invites for more clients to connect. But if the limit is still eight, why bother. I am already reaching that limit in the 60 degree units. We need more clients per AP.

(And if this means the throughput per client goes down..... I'd rather have 20 clients that can reach maximum speeds of 50Mb (not all at the same time) then only 8 and each can do 200-500mbps....)

Re: January Newsletter #87

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:46 pm
by WirelessRudy
- InterCell - LTE Base Stations, preorders available
Can somebody update me on this...
I understood LTE is cell operator's stuff. And the LTE devices Mikrotik sells are to pickup that signal and enhance it.. But you need to connect to cell op's network with cell op's simm card.

Now MT has 'base station'........
Is this aimed at the cell op's world?
Do you need a license to use such base station? Do we need a frequency license? (So we need to bring a couple of millions to buy them from the goverment and in competition to the 'big' boys like Vodafone etc......?)
Can every LTE client (Mikrotik!, mobiles) connect to that base station?

Can somebody enlight me about the LTE and how we as Mikrotik users / WISP can make use of it?

Re: January Newsletter #87

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:48 pm
by mistry7
- InterCell - LTE Base Stations, preorders available
Can somebody update me on this...
I understood LTE is cell operator's stuff. And the LTE devices Mikrotik sells are to pickup that signal and enhance it.. But you need to connect to cell op's network with cell op's simm card.

Now MT has 'base station'........
Is this aimed at the cell op's world?
Do you need a license to use such base station? Do we need a frequency license? (So we need to bring a couple of millions to buy them from the goverment and in competition to the 'big' boys like Vodafone etc......?)
Can every LTE client (Mikrotik!, mobiles) connect to that base station?

Can somebody enlight me about the LTE and how we as Mikrotik users / WISP can make use of it?
Yes it is Base Station, and yes for the now supported Bands, are only licensed

Re: January Newsletter #87

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:51 pm
by normis
This InterCell is not really for WISP. It is for companies who want to operate LTE cell towers, either for public or private reasons. Yes, you probably need a license from the regulator. These InterCell devices only support data (no voice calls, except whatsapp/skype etc over data connection). The InterCell can also be used to interconnect a lot of devices, like our LtAP units, in smaller areas where wifi is crowded or there is no line of sight. Still you need the license for it.

Re: January Newsletter #87

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:54 pm
by soooc
This InterCell is not really for WISP. It is for companies who want to operate LTE cell towers, either for public or private reasons. Yes, you probably need a license from the regulator. These InterCell devices only support data (no voice calls, except whatsapp/skype etc over data connection). The InterCell can also be used to interconnect a lot of devices, like our LtAP units, in smaller areas where wifi is crowded or there is no line of sight. Still you need the license for it.
Its clear, what about count of 60 GHz clients??

Re: January Newsletter #87

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:02 pm
by normis
chipset limit is 8

Re: January Newsletter #87

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:13 pm
by mistry7
chipset limit is 8
Whats about smaller Channels?

Re: January Newsletter #87

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:19 pm
by bastys
Device Is one chipset with 3x60° 96 elements, right?

Re: January Newsletter #87

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:27 pm
by Arcee
This InterCell is not really for WISP. It is for companies who want to operate LTE cell towers, either for public or private reasons. Yes, you probably need a license from the regulator. These InterCell devices only support data (no voice calls, except whatsapp/skype etc over data connection). The InterCell can also be used to interconnect a lot of devices, like our LtAP units, in smaller areas where wifi is crowded or there is no line of sight. Still you need the license for it.
Why not for WISPs?

I would love to move to a licensed frequency (my own highway) for PtMP.

I had been looking at Baicells products recently for this same reason. If Mikrotik has a comparable solution, I am sticking with my tried and proven brand. Very excited about this edition of the newsletter.

Can you say why this might not be feasible for WISPs?

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Re: January Newsletter #87

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:51 pm
by WirelessRudy
chipset limit is 8
That's a pity! Can we expect some change in the future?

Re: January Newsletter #87

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:55 pm
by WirelessRudy
chipset limit is 8
Whats about smaller Channels?
Yes, what about smaller channels?
With smaller channels we can setup more sectors on one tower and still get good speeds (100+Mbps) to the only 8 maximum clients per sector......
(4 frequencies is not enough if you wan't to build a mini cell network that also need 60Ghz for the backhauls. I have one tower with 4 &0Ghz backhauls and 4 60Ghz AP's... it's a hell of a job to get these separated so none of the unit's clients get a signal from one of the other AP's)

Re: January Newsletter #87

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:02 pm
by BG4DRL
- new wAP 60Gx3 60GHz Sector Base Station

60G AP udp both =900Mbps Beta61 Firmware. very nice

Re: January Newsletter #87

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:17 pm
by soooc
chipset limit is 8
But ignite metrolinq (has different chipset, but wigig too) can use 12 clients. Any sollution in future? And somebody from Mikrotik on MUM said, that it is software limit. But it can be a mistake.

Re: January Newsletter #87

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 7:11 pm
by marekm
chipset limit is 8
Any better chipsets (802.11ay?) on the horizon? Ideally, backwards-compatible with current 802.11ad stations so that only the AP needs to be upgraded.

Re: January Newsletter #87

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 7:45 pm
by r00t
Also 60GHz hardware with SFP+ port is badly needed... channel capacity is so much higher than what we can use currently.

Re: January Newsletter #87

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:39 pm
by doneware
chipset limit is 8
there was a press announcement from Qualcomm and Mikrotik back in october around the 17th or so, emphasising Qualcomm's upcoming QCA64x8 and QCA64x1 chipsets, promising .11ay.

https://www.qualcomm.com/news/releases/ ... hz-80211ay

Re: January Newsletter #87

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:51 pm
by doneware
channel capacity is so much higher than what we can use currently.
let's be easy with that. if you can't have more than MCS9 (SC), then 1Gbps is just ok. .11ad doesn't have channel bonding, so in general you couldn't use the available extra juice anyway.
.11ad has at least channel bonding, they said. but the standard is not out yet. unless you have more radios driving different antenna arrays, you can't really hit the barrier of 1G in a single device. tbh i never saw any of the Mikrotik equipments do MCS11+, but even if we have MCS12, which is in best case around 4.62Gbps, and that's the whole available bw for tx and rx. and this is at radio level.

unless you really can squeeze out the 1+Gbps from the radio, there's no need to bump up the prices of these boxes just by adding a pipe you can't fill even halfway.
in my opinion, nbase-t would be a better fit here. and we also need to take into consideration, that currently PoE is used to power the device - you can't have this at 10GE esp with SFP+

Re: January Newsletter #87

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:53 pm
by doneware
Whats about smaller Channels?
you can be OK with this channel mapping. you can have the 100Mbps clients run the same high MCS, and ultimately serve more safely and do buffering on the FE part. i'm more interested in TDD - cause this is the key to boost client numbers.

Re: January Newsletter #87

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:13 am
by macgaiver
CRS332-32S+RM
CRS354-48P-4S+2Q+
CRS354-48G-4S+2Q+


still nothing ?
:"(
CRS332-32S+RM + community feedback == CRS326-24S+2Q+RM in latest MUM opening presentations.
https://youtu.be/zMbtmeTm1PI?list=PLXr- ... O2&t=2053s

Re: January Newsletter #87

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:56 am
by anuser
For the WAP 60 it would be great if I could setup it like cAP AC with CAPSMAN enabled, multiple concurrent SSIDs enabled and support for 20/30 e.g. smartphones not only with other MikroTik WAP 60 devices.

Re: January Newsletter #87

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:16 am
by BaseflexISP
In this MikroTik newsletter:

- new 8 x SFP+ port switch CRS309-1G-8S+IN
- new wAP 60Gx3 60GHz Sector Base Station
- new low cost 60GHz CPE LHG Lite60
- InterCell - LTE Base Stations, preorders available
- new active direct attach 5m cable
- RB4011 rackmount ears
- MUM schedule
- MUM Europe 2019 in Austria

Download newsletter here:
https://download2.mikrotik.com/news/news_87.pdf
The interCell is a very good and welcome idea for those with LTE licensed in building small cell to extend coverage, however Mikrotik is missing an important emerging band, B42. It took a long time before Mikrotik released ODU in that Band infact only recently (I mean the LHG 4G kit -RBLHGR&R11e-4G). Are we going to see Intercell in B42 also?

Re: January Newsletter #87

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:32 am
by uldis
In this MikroTik newsletter:

- new 8 x SFP+ port switch CRS309-1G-8S+IN
- new wAP 60Gx3 60GHz Sector Base Station
- new low cost 60GHz CPE LHG Lite60
- InterCell - LTE Base Stations, preorders available
- new active direct attach 5m cable
- RB4011 rackmount ears
- MUM schedule
- MUM Europe 2019 in Austria

Download newsletter here:
https://download2.mikrotik.com/news/news_87.pdf
The interCell is a very good and welcome idea for those with LTE licensed in building small cell to extend coverage, however Mikrotik is missing an important emerging band, B42. It took a long time before Mikrotik released ODU in that Band infact only recently (I mean the LHG 4G kit -RBLHGR&R11e-4G). Are we going to see Intercell in B42 also?
We are getting lot of requests for B42 LTE Base Station. But we would need to understand more which exact band is needed as it looks more that B48 is the main band that we would need to focus.
What are the requirements for such Base Station for 3.5GHz solution - output power, antenna gain (or can be external), any other software feature?

Re: February Newsletter #87

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 2:19 pm
by eduncan911
Is there any news on the CRS312-4C-8XG?

It was announced April 2018. :)

Re: February Newsletter #87

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 3:19 pm
by rushlife
Is there any news on the CRS312-4C-8XG?

It was announced April 2018. :)
I am so pumped up for these product but still nothing...
I will keep looking for them.

Re: February Newsletter #87

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 5:00 pm
by eduncan911
Is there any news on the CRS312-4C-8XG?

It was announced April 2018. :)
I am so pumped up for these product but still nothing...
I will keep looking for them.
I know, right? It hits all the sweet spots: low end CPU for those of us that don't really need routing (to keep the cost way way down as well) with the non-blocking bandwidth we all want in a switch at an affordable price ($400 maybe?) to crush other brands that are way overpriced for a simple home setup.

I mean, I purposely bought the CRS328-24P-4S+RM specifically to match this CRS312-4C-8XG device when it comes out for 40 Gbps between the two - while connecting my laptop (with a 10 Gbps RJ45 10GBaseT dock!) and two servers, both with 10GBaseT onboard the motherboard - not to mention my new desktop. The CRS328-24P-4S is still sitting in its box as I remodel the house in the coming months, which includes cat6a everywhere and a few fiber drops (since it's so cheap, and the "just in case" between my home office and rack location across the house).

Re: January Newsletter #87

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 5:50 pm
by otgooneo
This InterCell is not really for WISP. It is for companies who want to operate LTE cell towers, either for public or private reasons. Yes, you probably need a license from the regulator. These InterCell devices only support data (no voice calls, except whatsapp/skype etc over data connection). The InterCell can also be used to interconnect a lot of devices, like our LtAP units, in smaller areas where wifi is crowded or there is no line of sight. Still you need the license for it.
Ohhh. This is something very very interesting for me. Would like to know details about it. Does it include vEPC inside the cell? Can it connect to operator EPC? What will be the software? What is the roadmap? Does Mikrotik has strong interest to continue this solution until 5G (maybe too early to ask)?

Re: January Newsletter #87

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 6:16 pm
by uldis
This InterCell is not really for WISP. It is for companies who want to operate LTE cell towers, either for public or private reasons. Yes, you probably need a license from the regulator. These InterCell devices only support data (no voice calls, except whatsapp/skype etc over data connection). The InterCell can also be used to interconnect a lot of devices, like our LtAP units, in smaller areas where wifi is crowded or there is no line of sight. Still you need the license for it.
Ohhh. This is something very very interesting for me. Would like to know details about it. Does it include vEPC inside the cell? Can it connect to operator EPC? What will be the software? What is the roadmap? Does Mikrotik has strong interest to continue this solution until 5G (maybe too early to ask)?
As written in the PDF of Intercell it will support built-in EPC with up to 256 clients and also will support external EPC if you have an existing EPC. It will feature special dedicated software (not RouterOS). Currently only B38/B39 bands, what LTE bands you are looking for? Currently it is too early to talk on the 5G Base Station.

Re: February Newsletter #87

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 4:00 pm
by krafg
it's possible create an antenna only like LHG for 2G/3G/4G solutions? I want integrate bigger antennas to my RBM33G and mANT LTE 5o are very little. :(

Re: February Newsletter #87

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:15 pm
by anav
What, my RB260GS paperweight switch is not getting RouterOS?
I was sure that was coming LOL. ;-)

Re: January Newsletter #87

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:46 am
by otgooneo
This InterCell is not really for WISP. It is for companies who want to operate LTE cell towers, either for public or private reasons. Yes, you probably need a license from the regulator. These InterCell devices only support data (no voice calls, except whatsapp/skype etc over data connection). The InterCell can also be used to interconnect a lot of devices, like our LtAP units, in smaller areas where wifi is crowded or there is no line of sight. Still you need the license for it.
Ohhh. This is something very very interesting for me. Would like to know details about it. Does it include vEPC inside the cell? Can it connect to operator EPC? What will be the software? What is the roadmap? Does Mikrotik has strong interest to continue this solution until 5G (maybe too early to ask)?
As written in the PDF of Intercell it will support built-in EPC with up to 256 clients and also will support external EPC if you have an existing EPC. It will feature special dedicated software (not RouterOS). Currently only B38/B39 bands, what LTE bands you are looking for? Currently it is too early to talk on the 5G Base Station.
Thank you Uldis. I think B38/B39 is fine in initial stage. Those frequencies are popular among most of countries.

Re: February Newsletter #87

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:44 am
by JimmyNyholm
Can we please have special mounting fot having 2 SFP+ port switch CRS309-1G-8S+IN in one rack Unit

Re: February Newsletter #87

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:28 am
by Redmor
What about CCR1036-12G-4S+?

Re: February Newsletter #87

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:44 pm
by vladimirslk
b48 easier to license in eu countries..
what is the performance of that lte ""wimax"" product? :) no info regarding speeds

Re: February Newsletter #87

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:52 pm
by normis
there is no wimax product here. what do you mean?

Re: January Newsletter #87

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:52 pm
by lapsio
CRS332-32S+RM
CRS354-48P-4S+2Q+
CRS354-48G-4S+2Q+


still nothing ?
:"(
Iirc CRS332-32S+RM evolved into CRS326-24S+2Q+RM

Re: February Newsletter #87

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:30 pm
by raffav
Hello it's possible to a SFP+ Ethernet Module to have POE-out capability ?

Re: February Newsletter #87

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:36 pm
by lapsio
Hello it's possible to a SFP+ Ethernet Module to have POE-out capability ?
Great choice of thread to ask such question!

No it's not. SFP and SFP+ have standardized maximum power draw (which is relatively low) so unless you'd like to power some ultra low powered device there's no chance. Also SFP is powered by 3V so it's quite low for PoE standards. Average SFP/SFP+ draws around 1W up to 1.5W for long distance ones. It'd be hard to find device that can be powered with that

Of course you could break those standards and make specialized switch and specialized modules but those modules would burn any normal hardware, not suited for such current.

Re: February Newsletter #87

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:56 pm
by raffav
Hello it's possible to a SFP+ Ethernet Module to have POE-out capability ?
Great choice of thread to ask such question!

No it's not. SFP and SFP+ have standardized maximum power draw (which is relatively low) so unless you'd like to power some ultra low powered device there's no chance. Also SFP is powered by 3V so it's quite low for PoE standards. Average SFP/SFP+ draws around 1W up to 1.5W for long distance ones. It'd be hard to find device that can be powered with that

Of course you could break those standards and make specialized switch and specialized modules but those modules would burn any normal hardware, not suited for such current.
Thanks

Re: February Newsletter #87

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:10 am
by uldis
b48 easier to license in eu countries..
what is the performance of that lte ""wimax"" product? :) no info regarding speeds
We will see on the other bands when we will release the current series but it is possible that we could look at 3.5ghz bands. All depends on the demand. As currently the 3.5ghz is more popular in US.
Regarding the speed you can see the datasheet what ti the maximum download/upload speed.