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MikroTik newsletter March 2020 (#94)

Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:17 am

Read our latest newsletter and learn more about:

• CRS354-48P-4S+2Q+RM – a 48 port PoE+ switch for 40 Gbps setups
• netPower 15FR - an outdoor 18 port switch with 15 reverse PoE ports and SFP
• GPEN Concept
• The new Chateau CAT12
• InterCell LTE base station
• MikroTik powered Smart Bench
• The postponed MikroTik events
• MUM schedule

https://mikrotikdownload.s3.eu-west-1.a ... ews_94.pdf
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Re: MikroTik newsletter March 2020 (#94)

Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:03 pm

Just installed a Powerbox PRO :(
Would have much rather bought a netPower 15FR.
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter March 2020 (#94)

Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:42 pm

How do you break out QSFP+ if not simply using a breakout DAC cable?

A: so you would need media converters.

I also see fibre breakout cables.
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Re: MikroTik newsletter March 2020 (#94)

Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:50 pm

CRS354-48P-4S+2Q+RM
very good. I wait for 48x10GbE Base-T for iSCSI traffic.

We need LHGR + R11e-LTE6 with
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  • 2CA for 1+3 and 1+7 and 3+7 - currently only 3+7 :(
  • LGHR with corrected 700 and 900Mhz Gain - currently works better with inverted antenna at 180°. Only 800Mhz works straight forward (and >1800Mhz).
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Re: MikroTik newsletter March 2020 (#94)

Tue Mar 10, 2020 6:03 pm

Just installed a Powerbox PRO :(
Would have much rather bought a netPower 15FR.
Powerbox PRO has 4x PoE-out. 15FR has 15 PoE-in ports! Not quite the same!
If you need to power more then one device the Powerbox PRO can do that. If you want redundant power supply to your router from the different clients connected, the 15FR is your friend.
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Re: MikroTik newsletter March 2020 (#94)

Tue Mar 10, 2020 6:14 pm

Can somebody tell me what market is the CAT12 LTE aiming for?
As European WISP they are little use since it's almost impossible to run a LTE network.
As client device from the major cell ops (Vodafone, Movistar, Orange etc.) is only of use if there is strong G4 (4G) signal and then you still have to deal with the data cap.

If this device would accept a fibre+Giga ethernet as WAN it would make it much more interesting since the LTE can serve as backup for those events the fixed opp goes down. With some load balancing indeed the household could get higher top speeds then what the single provider can deliver.

I am also still worried about the gain of the internal antennas. The average house has more then one floor level and several room on each. I found most indoor MT Wifi AP's are useless in such situations as stand alone wifi AP.
Working with extra repeaters or powerline solutions are too costly for the bulk of internet clients.

A CAT 12 alike device with 2-4 3-6dBi antenna would be more appropriate to serve the average house.
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Re: MikroTik newsletter March 2020 (#94)

Tue Mar 10, 2020 6:21 pm

Many people live in small apartments.

This breaks monopolies at the 500 Mbps level.
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter March 2020 (#94)

Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:06 pm

Can somebody tell me what market is the CAT12 LTE aiming for?
I'm also curious about the logic behind this device. As you say, running an own LTE network is basically impossible in the developed world. Only the multi-national MNO can afford the frequencies. 4G/LTE is always with data-caps, hence often most used by non-power users. Therefore the Operators CPE/equipment is almost always used (e.g Huawei)

An SFP-port would be logical to include for those have FTTH.
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Re: MikroTik newsletter March 2020 (#94)

Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:43 pm

It is more of a concern when you can't even reach 30 Mbps on your phone, making LTE a non-viable option.
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter March 2020 (#94)

Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:08 pm

is it possible with gpen to wire a city? how?
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter March 2020 (#94)

Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:26 pm

Cheap labour.
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter March 2020 (#94)

Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:34 am

I think the people are asking for Normis or a qualified person from MT to respond. Stop spamming responses.
I too am very curious as to how this device works - aggregates bandwidth from different LTE ISPs.
What is the range of types of signals that can be ingested (old to.........)?
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Re: MikroTik newsletter March 2020 (#94)

Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:38 am

I think the people are asking for Normis or a qualified person from MT to respond. Stop spamming responses.
The netPower literature explains everything you need to know. It is only a question of which investment makes more sense.
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter March 2020 (#94)

Wed Mar 11, 2020 6:36 am

Supported bands?
Will a CAT12 mPCIe modem be planned?
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter March 2020 (#94)

Wed Mar 11, 2020 8:02 am

• CRS354-48P-4S+2Q+RM – a 48 port PoE+ switch for 40 Gbps setups
Nice! Finally it's here :-)

Just one wonder, why is this powered by a 650 MHz MIPSBE CPU?
Not that it's going to be used for CPU consuming task, but that looks like a step down from 800 MHz ARM in the CRS328?
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter March 2020 (#94)

Wed Mar 11, 2020 8:04 am

is it possible with gpen to wire a city? how?
The cost are 95% for bringing the cable in the ground and
Not the cable itself.
Copper to the ground is outdated like Mikrotik Wireless soulutions.
This are products that had been released 10 years ago.
Fiber Equipment is cheap know...
Could be an self do solution in small areas, like neighborhood share Internet-Connection etc
But no professional will bring copper to the ground in 2020
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter March 2020 (#94)

Wed Mar 11, 2020 8:30 am

Think about upgrade for many existing wireless installs (both ours and competitor's). Re-use the existing copper wiring in chimneys and PoE adapters, replace radio CPEs with GPERs (or simple weatherproof RJ45 couplers if cables are short), and share one fiber (overhead line, not in the ground) or good radio (like LHG60) between many apartments. While I can understand 100Mbps PoE-in ports (power over spare pairs only, can use small sized ethernet transformers as they don't need to pass DC), I wish there was gigabit PoE-out for uplink (better yet, 12 FE ports and 4 GE ports for up to 3 more demanding customers who want >100Mbps). Right now I connect the LHG60 with S-RJ01 + RBGPOE (powered from ether15 - used for power only, no ethernet).
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter March 2020 (#94)

Wed Mar 11, 2020 9:28 am

What you want is not the netPower 16P?
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter March 2020 (#94)

Wed Mar 11, 2020 10:03 am

Dear MT!

Why CRS354-48P-4S+2Q+RM is equipped with only one power supply (on the right on the photo)?
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Surely this is funny thing to have to power 48 gigabit ports with only one China-made power supply which is built in (so even replace it can take time even if you have a spare one).

Please consider to imagine your audience intents before crafting new devices.
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter March 2020 (#94)

Wed Mar 11, 2020 10:08 am

From a personal perspective, regarding CAT12, in our country, there is no data cap and the LTE speeds easily exceed 100Mbit any time of day. So I can just guess that it depends on your operator.
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Re: MikroTik newsletter March 2020 (#94)

Wed Mar 11, 2020 10:10 am

The cost are 95% for bringing the cable in the ground and
Not the cable itself.
Copper to the ground
Who said ground? The example demonstrates high rise buildings where you want apartments to be wired to the attic of the building, where a switch is located. This setup is very common in eastern europe.
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Re: MikroTik newsletter March 2020 (#94)

Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:00 am

From a personal perspective, regarding CAT12, in our country, there is no data cap and the LTE speeds easily exceed 100Mbit any time of day. So I can just guess that it depends on your operator.
I think I would still prefer 100 Mbps VDSL2.
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter March 2020 (#94)

Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:20 am

Rural areas have no cables, but there is cell service everywhere. This is good for countries with no ground infrastructure, for mountainous areas, any kind of places that are small (so LTE can easily cover).
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Re: MikroTik newsletter March 2020 (#94)

Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:29 am


We need LHGR + R11e-LTE6 with
  • 1GbE port - currently SXTR with bonding have 2xFE but LHGR still have a bottleneck to FE
  • 2CA for 1+3 and 1+7 and 3+7 - currently only 3+7 :(
  • LGHR with corrected 700 and 900Mhz Gain - currently works better with inverted antenna at 180°. Only 800Mhz works straight forward (and >1800Mhz).
  • Bigger DISH
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Re: MikroTik newsletter March 2020 (#94)

Wed Mar 11, 2020 12:42 pm

GPEN? Are you serious?
Are you planning more advanced CCR models with powerful cores? Since any DDOS kills in an instant CCR.
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter March 2020 (#94)

Wed Mar 11, 2020 1:20 pm

I think the GPEN concept is nice. Running Cat6 to individual apartments is common and far cheaper than terminating single-mode fibre to everyone. However you most likely use optical for the building connection since the major cost is to put the cable in the ground/on poles, not the actual cable, and fiber is more future proof.

I have never liked the GPON concept with it's "optical bus" and propretary SFP modules.

Rural areas have no cables, but there is cell service everywhere. This is good for countries with no ground infrastructure, for mountainous areas, any kind of places that are small (so LTE can easily cover).
Yes, of course. But there already a billion of these kind of devices on the market, often as included free by the provider when signing up. Can't see this is a top selling product unfortunally.
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Re: MikroTik newsletter March 2020 (#94)

Wed Mar 11, 2020 1:28 pm

This product is FOR the mobile operators. In Latvia this is what you get, when you sign up for the service. So why not other countries too. Some people maybe want a better device than what operators include now,
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Re: MikroTik newsletter March 2020 (#94)

Wed Mar 11, 2020 3:41 pm

Just great, my first 6pcs of CRS354-48P-4S+2Q+RM units arrived in monday and I could not be happier, BUT what a surprice about "made in china" label :-/...
I was really (perhaps naively) thinking that Mikrotik always (and for ever) will be making everything in Latvia ... :(, It was HUGE plus for me.....

Please, at least stay SO robust and quality as today.
After working with hundreds of mikrotik devices in almost 12 years, I was really never must trash something because of quality. Even the oldiest rb133 is functional to these days.

I don't mind high price of something, but big deal for me always was and always will be is QUALITY.

So please hold up your self mikrotik.
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Re: MikroTik newsletter March 2020 (#94)

Wed Mar 11, 2020 7:32 pm

I like the look of the Chateau. I would Love to see both SXT and Chateau with M.2 slot so we have the flexibility to use Modems of choice.
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter March 2020 (#94)

Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:00 pm

From a personal perspective, regarding CAT12, in our country, there is no data cap and the LTE speeds easily exceed 100 Mbit any time of day. So I can just guess that it depends on your operator.
Most European operators still have data caps and speeds nearing 100Mbit is a rare event in the countryside. Your country is a case apart, it's hardly bigger than a big town and your government is trying to lift it to become a forerunner in digital living.
Most other countries, especially those with plenty of open space rural landscapes have the typical areas that WISP work in and that buy your products. Or are you saying you only produce for your home market and take the rest as a bonus?
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Re: MikroTik newsletter March 2020 (#94)

Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:08 pm

Rural areas have no cables, but there is cell service everywhere. This is good for countries with no ground infrastructure, for mountainous areas, any kind of places that are small (so LTE can easily cover).
Well, as I wrote in another comment; Rural landscape in several European countries have coverage of G4 yes, but in general with low signal strengths and thus low speeds.
I live in a very typical region surrounded by mountains in Spain where we have all national cell operators working in a pretty occupied valley. When the first operator came with G4 some 4/5 years ago and I was one of the first with a g4 phone, yes I could see speeds of 100mbps and even above. Even in a moving car I would get 50-60Mbps downloads.
Now, 3-4 years later I rarely see more then 20Mbps and this is confirmed by many in the industry, including the technicians of those companies. And all cell ops have data caps. Even those that say they don't.....

In Spain work several hundreds up to thousands small WISPs that deploy Wifi networks to serve the hundreds of thousands that live her and find G4 a burden to work with and too expensive.
What I hear from others in France, Italy, UK and even Germany, the situation is not so much different.
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Re: MikroTik newsletter March 2020 (#94)

Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:52 pm

So 4G is slowing down like 3G as I suspected.

This is another reason why I would not get a fixed broadband cellular subscription if there was a viable alternative.
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter March 2020 (#94)

Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:48 am

Read our latest newsletter and learn more about:

• CRS354-48P-4S+2Q+RM – a 48 port PoE+ switch for 40 Gbps setups
• netPower 15FR - an outdoor 18 port switch with 15 reverse PoE ports and SFP
• GPEN Concept
• The new Chateau CAT12
• InterCell LTE base station
• MikroTik powered Smart Bench
• The postponed MikroTik events
• MUM schedule

https://mikrotikdownload.s3.eu-west-1.a ... ews_94.pdf
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Re: MikroTik newsletter March 2020 (#94)

Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:30 pm

Dear MT!

Why CRS354-48P-4S+2Q+RM is equipped with only one power supply (on the right on the photo)?
Image
Surely this is funny thing to have to power 48 gigabit ports with only one China-made power supply which is built in (so even replace it can take time even if you have a spare one).

Please consider to imagine your audience intents before crafting new devices.
I think it is a size and cooling problem, this is a 800W PSU!
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter March 2020 (#94)

Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:15 pm

Any chance for:
  • https://blog.mikrotik.com/announcements ... graph.html 10Gbps ethernet links with 802.11ay
    • HAP AC2 with 802.3af poe-input support (as cap ac does)
    • updated wsAP AC with 802.3af/at poe-input support, 3x gbit customer facing interfaces available without needing a screwdriver and of which 1 port PoE passthrough, 3x3 wireless chains minimum 5ghz (preferably 4x4), mu-mimo
    • wifi 6e?
    • WiFi AI performance monitoring tools (analysing capsman controller stats
    • updated CCR routers with minimum of 4x 10Gbps interfaces and support for 2x 25/40/100G interfaces... and higher per core performance (faster BGP full-table feed convergence)
    • updated switches, supporting a minimum of for 2x 25/40/100G uplink interfaces... and MPLS, (requires more flash & ram)
    • allow other devices like hex PoE without wireless to connect to CAPsMAN to ease automatic firmware updates and convert CAPsMAN to wider SDN controller
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Re: MikroTik newsletter March 2020 (#94)

Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:21 pm

  • HAP AC2 with 802.3af poe-input support (as cap ac does)
And at least one pass-through poe-out port please.
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Re: MikroTik newsletter March 2020 (#94)

Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:04 pm

  • HAP AC2 with 802.3af poe-input support (as cap ac does)
And at least one pass-through poe-out port please.
cAP ac? Almost the same hardware (well, without USB and with only 2 Ethernet ports), but with 802.3af/at and PoE pass-through. And has already been available for a while...
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter March 2020 (#94)

Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:56 pm

  • HAP AC2 with 802.3af poe-input support (as cap ac does)
And at least one pass-through poe-out port please.
cAP ac? Almost the same hardware (well, without USB and with only 2 Ethernet ports), but with 802.3af/at and PoE pass-through. And has already been available for a while...
We could define the wish the other way round: cAP ac with more ethernet ports and full size USB port.

One way or the other... Something ist missing.
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Re: MikroTik newsletter March 2020 (#94)

Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:00 am

  • HAP AC2 with 802.3af poe-input support (as cap ac does)
And at least one pass-through poe-out port please.
I think that this will require a new SoC that outputs less heat. The hAP AC and cAP AC run really hot, adding more PoE circuitry will just make it worse.
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Re: MikroTik newsletter March 2020 (#94)

Mon Mar 30, 2020 5:54 am

Hi I'm from Jamaica new to using mikrotik. I have a x86 install with two nic on a AMD phenom 2 with 8 gigs of ram
200mbs dwn and 100mbs up
I have 60 pppoe users
when i set up simple queues i notice only about five users getting good download speed

any help would be appeciated plzz
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter March 2020 (#94)

Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:30 pm

any help would be appeciated plzz
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