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Newsletter 97 (September 2020)

Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:22 pm

Read our latest newsletter and learn more about:

• hAP ac³ (https://youtu.be/dYpRhltO9ig)
• CSS610-8G-2S+IN (https://youtu.be/gtcrosakRYY)
• mANTBox 52 15s (https://youtu.be/CfQqk_cRils)
• netPower Lite 7R (https://youtu.be/6lzQGo0YG1k)
• nRayAIM-DH1 attachment
• MikroTik LMT LTE18
• Prime Minister visiting MikroTik
• Genomics Data Network

Download the PDF: https://mt.lv/news97
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Re: Newsletter 97 (September 2020)

Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:25 pm

Very nice!

Will the Port Extender feature be made available on SwOS devices, such as the CSS610 or NetPower Lite 7R?
 
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Re: Newsletter 97 (September 2020)

Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:41 pm

hAP ac3 looks wonderful!
Finally you decided to add external antennas to routers, what happend to all the talk how they are not needed you where telling us all this years when we complained about poor signal? :D
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Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:51 pm

Finally you decided to add external antennas to routers, what happend to all the talk how they are not needed you where tell us all this years when we complained about poor signal? :D

Sush! Don't bring this out, they might decide not to do it for future devices.
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Re: Newsletter 97 (September 2020)

Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:56 pm

I loved the hAP ac³! And it comes with 128MB storage! Now it will be possible to use partitioning at home! :D
 
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Re: Newsletter 97 (September 2020)

Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:15 pm

Excellent videos! Good to see the team and the products, puts a human touch behind the brand. Please consider making a 16 port PoE switch as described.
 
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Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:15 pm

"In the near future, the network will be upgraded to a 100 Gbps data transfer rate, using MikroTik devices that will be released soon."

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Re: Newsletter 97 (September 2020)

Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:59 pm

Finally you decided to add external antennas to routers, what happened to all the talk how they are not needed you where tell us all this years when we complained about poor signal? :D
Sush! Don't bring this out, they might decide not to do it for future devices.
Antenna designs for MIMO systems
A very complex question that is completely misunderstood by 99.5% of technologists.
The above PDF by Queen Mary University of London does a very good job detailing the challenges of MIMO etc. If one is serious about current day wireless that is MIMO bound one should read and internally digest. :-)
 
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Re: Newsletter 97 (September 2020)

Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:00 pm

Hi guys

Hint - how about actually producing devices you told us about months ago... ...like the nRay for instance?

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Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:16 pm

Excellent videos! Good to see the team and the products, puts a human touch behind the brand.
Normis as a movie star :-)
Of course you can consider to visit a MUM and meet them in person.
 
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Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:22 pm

I loved the hAP ac³! And it comes with 128MB storage! Now it will be possible to use partitioning at home! :D
Yes it looks good, I am sort-of looking for a router to replace my aging RB2011 at home and this could be it (of course with an additional switch).
Unfortunately there are no performance specs for routing and IPsec. But I think the ipq-4019 should do IPsec acceleration so that should not be too bad.
 
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Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:36 pm

hAP ac3 looks wonderful!
Finally you decided to add external antennas to routers, what happend to all the talk how they are not needed you where telling us all this years when we complained about poor signal? :D

Peer pressure, along with common sense :-)

Now, when will we see these devices at the retailers? 2021,2022 ?? :-)
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Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:39 pm

hAP ac³ is not bad, but home AP market is really competitive and at $100 you can get more chains, working MU-MIMO or 2.5/5GbE ports.
But nice to see more than 16MB of flash!

Also bit disappointed by lack of 60GHz gear with SFP. I was hoping to see some new 60GHz gear announced.
I see you are adding it to some 5GHz models, but 60GHz PtP would make much more sense.... and not a single 60GHz model have SFP right now.
 
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Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:53 pm

hAP ac3 looks wonderful!
Now, when will we see these devices at the retailers? 2021,2022 ?? :-)
Our Polish friends say Sep 28! So, next week...
 
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Re: Newsletter 97 (September 2020)

Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:07 pm

I have requested a climbing wall for our office. Might be a while until it's approved, however...
 
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Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:51 pm

802.11ax, Terragraph?
 
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Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:53 pm

I loved the hAP ac³! And it comes with 128MB storage! Now it will be possible to use partitioning at home! :D
Yes it looks good, I am sort-of looking for a router to replace my aging RB2011 at home and this could be it (of course with an additional switch).
Unfortunately there are no performance specs for routing and IPsec. But I think the ipq-4019 should do IPsec acceleration so that should not be too bad.
That's not so hard to figure out since hAP ac3 is based on hAP ac2 with more storage, more ram and external antennas. But the same CPU.
And.. the hAP ac3 LTE kit has the test results published..
 
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Re: Newsletter 97 (September 2020)

Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:59 pm

I loved the hAP ac³! And it comes with 128MB storage! Now it will be possible to use partitioning at home! :D
Yes it looks good, I am sort-of looking for a router to replace my aging RB2011 at home and this could be it (of course with an additional switch).
Unfortunately there are no performance specs for routing and IPsec. But I think the ipq-4019 should do IPsec acceleration so that should not be too bad.
If I remember correctly, the IPQ4019 is almost identical to the IPQ4018, used on the hAP AC2. It had minor differences, if I'm not mistaken on memory and NAND size limits. I believe the routing and IPSec performance will be the same of the hAP AC2.
 
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Re: Newsletter 97 (September 2020)

Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:15 pm

No price for LTE18?
 
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Re: Newsletter 97 (September 2020)

Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:19 pm

hAP ac³ is not bad, but home AP market is really competitive and at $100 you can get more chains, working MU-MIMO or 2.5/5GbE ports.
But nice to see more than 16MB of flash!

Also bit disappointed by lack of 60GHz gear with SFP. I was hoping to see some new 60GHz gear announced.
I see you are adding it to some 5GHz models, but 60GHz PtP would make much more sense.... and not a single 60GHz model have SFP right now.
They are not only start making 60G gear with sfp ports, but dare offering with FE ports :D
 
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Re: Newsletter 97 (September 2020)

Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:21 pm

The HAP AC3 has a blue light on the front.
 
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Re: Newsletter 97 (September 2020)

Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:24 pm

One thing that would be better, on the hAP AC3, is the voltage input range. It takes from 12V to 28V on the DC input port. It is good, but we can't really just plug it in a battery system, without some voltage regulator: a 12V system could go as low as 10,9V, and a 24V one can go as high as 28,8v.

Yes, I can just use a buck up (or buck down) to correct it. But it is so close! If it worked from 10 to 30 volts...
 
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Re: Newsletter 97 (September 2020)

Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:38 pm

Need to see if there is WiFi problem resolved with hAP AC3. There was a big issues caused by ARM optimizations. Still not working as should be... Two years ago, and still not perfect software for ARM based devices.
 
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Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:57 pm

Need to see if there is WiFi problem resolved with hAP AC3. There was a big issues caused by ARM optimizations. Still not working as should be... Two years ago, and still not perfect software for ARM based devices.
What is the problem? I had not heard of this problem. I would appreciate reading more details about this problem.
 
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Re: Newsletter 97 (September 2020)

Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:47 pm

Need to see if there is WiFi problem resolved with hAP AC3. There was a big issues caused by ARM optimizations. Still not working as should be... Two years ago, and still not perfect software for ARM based devices.
Details, please.
 
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Re: Newsletter 97 (September 2020)

Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:57 pm

Need to see if there is WiFi problem resolved with hAP AC3. There was a big issues caused by ARM optimizations. Still not working as should be... Two years ago, and still not perfect software for ARM based devices.
Details, please.
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https://www.google.com/search?q=terribl ... e&ie=UTF-8

Too many opened topics about poor performances on hAP AC2, and other ARM based devices.
 
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Re: Newsletter 97 (September 2020)

Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:01 pm

How is that related to "ARM optimizations"? What compiler flags cause WiFi issues?
 
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Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:43 pm

Need to see if there is WiFi problem resolved with hAP AC3. There was a big issues caused by ARM optimizations. Still not working as should be... Two years ago, and still not perfect software for ARM based devices.
Details, please.
Google is your friend..

https://www.google.com/search?q=terribl ... e&ie=UTF-8

Too many opened topics about poor performances on hAP AC2, and other ARM based devices.
Google certainly is not my friend.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Google

I could not find anything about it. The closest was USB 3 slowing down wifi.
 
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Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:08 pm

Check forun topics opened on Mikrotik Forums..
 
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Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:49 pm

Check forun topics opened on Mikrotik Forums..
There is nothing there. I did a search and there was nothing there. So I am asking again what the problem is.
 
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Thu Sep 24, 2020 12:34 am

Check forun topics opened on Mikrotik Forums..
There is nothing there. I did a search and there was nothing there. So I am asking again what the problem is.
The ARM line had several teething problems: the RB3011 had port flappings, the RB4011 some instability and the hAP AC2 got several complaints about wifi speed and stability - don't remember any serious complain about the CCR2004. Some of these complaints looked like user error - but several of them were acknowledged by Mikrotik, and got fixed/improved over time. Even the 6.47.x version is still getting ARM improvements.

I have ONE hAP AC2 deployed and without problems - but it sees very light use (zero use now, with working from home), its config is quite basic and the Internet link slow. So, I probably wouldn't get the problems others saw. One of them is wifi speed: people complain that they can't get 400Mbps effective - and that should be possible, as they say the link was synced at about 800Mbps.

I don't know. Never tested and the internet link with the hAP is only 60Mbps. So, as I said, not an issue for me.

Mikrotik IS hard at work on these issues, so I believe they are better now.
 
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Re: Newsletter 97 (September 2020)

Thu Sep 24, 2020 1:02 am

Some pretty awesome products. Great that you've finally listened to the community and put in the ability to use external antennas on the hap ac3.

I've been helping family members over the last year wire up their homes and connect to their pools,spas,basement heated indoor pools and whatnot.Why does nobody create a an all in one 2.4+5Ghz wifi outdoor router with POE outs for surveillance cameras ? Mikrotik comes so close with the OmniTIK 5 PoE ac but the lack of 2.4 means range is poor in areas with thick walls . For most of these jobs I've used 48V Powerbox Pros + Wap AC's and used remaining ports for surveillance cameras that they want to hook up. Works well but I think it can be done cheaper and sleeker . Am personally not worried if the device would needs antennas/ears like a UAP-AC-M

Hopefully we can see a spec upgrade on the Wap AC ? Some of my family members now have 500/500 or 1000/1000 and those little guys can't keep up with anything over 150-200 Mbit or so these days.
 
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Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:23 am

The hAP ac2 it's very stable, the only problem it's WiFi being slower than other brands AC1200 AP/Routers.
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Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:33 am

When will we get Wifi 6?
 
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Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:48 am

When will we get Wifi 6?
If you buy from another brand.
 
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Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:52 am

Check forun topics opened on Mikrotik Forums..
There is nothing there. I did a search and there was nothing there. So I am asking again what the problem is.
The ARM line had several teething problems
Yes, but that is long fixed now, I don't believe there is any ARM related WiFi issue open. It's easy to fall into one of those "me too" traps, but sometimes it's just a wifi placement / config issue, not a device or hardware problem.
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Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:23 am

Mikrotik miss of a roadmap only short hardware annoucements... we don't know nothing about wifi6 or terragraph :-(
 
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Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:55 pm

I loved the hAP ac³! And it comes with 128MB storage! Now it will be possible to use partitioning at home! :D
Product page specifications show storage size as 128 MB, but for some reason it reads "FLASH 16 MB" on block diagram...
 
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Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:55 am

CSS610-8G-2S+IN looks neat.

I think that more products should have pin terminal connector. DC-barrel jacks is not that professional some times.

Why all the talk about 5G? Mikrotik doesn't do any 5G products?
Manages some CCR's, RB750Gr3, RB922 and wAP's
 
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Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:58 am

I loved the hAP ac³! And it comes with 128MB storage! Now it will be possible to use partitioning at home! :D
Product page specifications show storage size as 128 MB, but for some reason it reads "FLASH 16 MB" on block diagram...
Probably a mistake, since they redid that diagram based on the hAP ac3 LTE kit (we hope :D).
 
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Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:31 pm

Also not very wise to do. I see the new hAP ac3 and think "well, maybe that could replace my aging RB2011UiAS-2HnD. I need to arrange some larger switch and then I can connect my internet and hamnet directly to the hAP ac3 and the remainder to the switch."
But then I see that there also exists a hAP ac3 LTE. Hmm, I think, maybe that is even more suitable, I could use LTE as a backup when my line is down.

However, even though it is much more expensive than the model without LTE, it also lacks a lot of features of the new hAP ac3:
- 16MB flash instead of 128
- no PoE out on ether5
- no external WiFi antennas

Maybe even more that I did not see yet.
A little confusing that a model with the same name but some extra capability (LTE) is so different.
 
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Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:13 pm

Keeping the price point down I assume.......
Even still there may be an upscale 3 model with all features, hap AC3 premium LOL
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Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:17 pm

That Premium one should have external antennas for LTE also ^^
 
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Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:18 pm

Why no 2.4 antennas
 
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Sun Sep 27, 2020 1:47 pm

CCR 2004 is not longer listed in newsleter
and caralog ;) https://download2.mikrotik.com/catalog_2020.pdf
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CCR 2004 is not longer listed in newsleter
and caralog ;) https://download2.mikrotik.com/catalog_2020.pdf
any idea why?
It is there, announced in May/2020:
https://mikrotikdownload.s3.eu-west-1.a ... ews_95.pdf
The catalogue most likely was created earlier.
 
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It would be really nice if for smaller devices like this CSS610-8G-2S+IN switch MikroTik bundles second ear for 10" racks mount that are increasingly popular ...
 
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Mon Sep 28, 2020 2:10 pm

It would be really nice if for smaller devices like this CSS610-8G-2S+IN switch MikroTik bundles second ear for 10" racks mount that are increasingly popular ...
And also (as a separate item) a kit that will make possible to mount two units in one 19" space.
 
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Any news about WPA3 ?
 
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If there would be news, it would be in the newsletter, no?
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If there would be news, it would be in the newsletter, no?
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Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:48 am

hAP ac3 looks wonderful!
Now, when will we see these devices at the retailers? 2021,2022 ?? :-)
Our Polish friends say Sep 28! So, next week...
Could you share the store name/web? I could not find anywhere, also not at eurodk as well.
 
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Tue Sep 29, 2020 11:33 am

It would be really nice if for smaller devices like this CSS610-8G-2S+IN switch MikroTik bundles second ear for 10" racks mount that are increasingly popular ...
And also (as a separate item) a kit that will make possible to mount two units in one 19" space.
May be but on the other hand it seems more cost effective just to buy a larger unit like for example CSS326-24G-2S+RM that is only a bit more expensive but is full 19" rack unit and gives you 24Gbps ports etc ...
 
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Tue Sep 29, 2020 12:10 pm

hAP ac3 looks wonderful!
Now, when will we see these devices at the retailers? 2021,2022 ?? :-)
Our Polish friends say Sep 28! So, next week...
Could you share the store name/web? I could not find anywhere, also not at eurodk as well.
They have removed that availability date now.
 
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Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:48 pm

Why netPower Lite 7R is CSS and not CRS?
We would like to install equipment for customers with better management, it is perfect as form factor, size and ports and price for FTTB scenarios, but we would not install equipment that is not at least L2 manageable (snmp: metrics, disable/enable of port, speed, power and etc). Do you plan such a device?
 
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Tue Sep 29, 2020 3:54 pm

aviper, we already have that product. note the difference in the name, Lite in this case indicates CCS.
here is the CRS version https://mikrotik.com/product/crs318_1fi_15fr_2s_out
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Could you share the store name/web? I could not find anywhere, also not at eurodk as well.
https://shop.allnet.de => 14/10/2020
 
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Tue Sep 29, 2020 5:57 pm

aviper, we already have that product. note the difference in the name, Lite in this case indicates CCS.
here is the CRS version https://mikrotik.com/product/crs318_1fi_15fr_2s_out
I'm familiar with CRS318, but it is with 10/100 on the client side (reverse Poe). Are you planning CRS3xx with 10/100/1000 on client side (gigabit with reverse Poe). It would be great with 8 and 16 ports. And sfp+ 1/10 capable uplinks.
 
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Re: Newsletter 97 (September 2020)

Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:48 am

May be but on the other hand it seems more cost effective just to buy a larger unit like for example CSS326-24G-2S+RM that is only a bit more expensive but is full 19" rack unit and gives you 24Gbps ports etc ...
Sure, but the idea mainly is to combine two 8-port PoE switches, or one PoE and one non-PoE.
Adding a router in this form-factor to a product-line can also be a good idea.
 
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Re: Newsletter 97 (September 2020)

Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:25 am

What do you think, the expected bigger brother of MANTBOX 52 15S? (maybe MANTBOX 52 19S)
 
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Re: Newsletter 97 (September 2020)

Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:06 pm

Could you share the store name/web? I could not find anywhere, also not at eurodk as well.
https://shop.allnet.de => 14/10/2020
Thanks, just saw WiMood NL and CDR PL already available today. Strangely they are faster than Latvian stores..?

Edit: Seems like NetPro/Nasstore Latvia available as well on their site.
 
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Re: Newsletter 97 (September 2020)

Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:37 am

As for the hAP ac³ - it is almost 2x the size of the previous model. Pity there is still only 5 eth ports. Well, one is going to be used for the Internet connection, so actually 4 ports ... I use it for my home and my friend wants to redo his home network too, but needs more power. Will be deciding between the two, he has a concrete walls :-)
 
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Re: Newsletter 97 (September 2020)

Mon Oct 05, 2020 10:59 am

aviper, we already have that product. note the difference in the name, Lite in this case indicates CCS.
here is the CRS version https://mikrotik.com/product/crs318_1fi_15fr_2s_out
So we are waiting for netPower 7R/8R and 15R/16R :) I hope you are developing this product line. Up until then we are going to test netPower Lite 7R when it hits the market to see how mature and usable is SwOS.
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Re: Newsletter 97 (September 2020)

Fri Oct 09, 2020 11:13 am

As for the hAP ac³ - it is almost 2x the size of the previous model. Pity there is still only 5 eth ports. Well, one is going to be used for the Internet connection, so actually 4 ports ... I use it for my home and my friend wants to redo his home network too, but needs more power. Will be deciding between the two, he has a concrete walls :-)
I presume they needed a bit more room for larger heat sink for that 32 bit Arm CPU SoC, previous model hAP ac² could get pretty hot while running ...
Also Mikrotik added 2 external antennas that should vastly improve WiFi performance so I would definitely go for this instead the old one for this reason alone, and it is h Ascess Point after all so more Ethernet ports are not necessarily needed...
 
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Re: Newsletter 97 (September 2020)

Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:29 am

Really exciting things!

I can't use SwitchOS in the real world; I can't get away with http-without-the-s and the single shared admin account in the places I support, so I can't wait for a CRS610-8G-2S+IN version. For bonus points, CRS610-8P-2S+IN! Heck, I'll buy one of the CRS POE versions just for my garage!

Before COVID anyhow, I would have easily bough 10 of the CRS610-8Gs for the developer areas of one of my main shops on day one of availability.
The game is changed with mass work-from-home now, though...
 
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Re: Newsletter 97 (September 2020)

Sun Oct 11, 2020 11:26 am

I agree, SwitchOS is not really just usable for an enterprise. It's fine for home or lab usage.
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Re: Newsletter 97 (September 2020)

Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:19 am

boring as the narrator in the CSS610 video
where is WiFi 6E router with 5 or better 8 2.5G ports?
 
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Re: Newsletter 97 (September 2020)

Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:58 am

We've received one netPower Lite 7R for tests, and I must agree with upper post:
* First it comes with SwOS Lite, not SwOS. It comes it 2.12rc2 and has no new update, as all CCS6xx;
* Second it is advertised as GPEN, which should be mostly ISPs area, less Enterprise area and almost none of Home area, but it is not usable for ISPs and Enterprise scenarios.

There are two solutions:
CRS610-1Gi-7R-2S+OUT or Update of the SwOS software for API/better SNMP and etc. IMHO the first is better solution for ISPs and Enterprise customers.
 
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Re: Newsletter 97 (September 2020)

Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:52 am

Second it is advertised as GPEN, which should be mostly ISPs area, less Enterprise area and almost none of Home area, but it is not usable for ISPs and Enterprise scenarios.
I think they are targeting a different kind of ISP than you have in mind... which more resembles home usage than enterprise usage.
 
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Re: Newsletter 97 (September 2020)

Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:59 am

Second it is advertised as GPEN, which should be mostly ISPs area, less Enterprise area and almost none of Home area, but it is not usable for ISPs and Enterprise scenarios.
I think they are targeting a different kind of ISP than you have in mind... which more resembles home usage than enterprise usage.
What kind of ISPs are closer to home usage?
 
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Re: Newsletter 97 (September 2020)

Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:31 am

Second it is advertised as GPEN, which should be mostly ISPs area, less Enterprise area and almost none of Home area, but it is not usable for ISPs and Enterprise scenarios.
I think they are targeting a different kind of ISP than you have in mind... which more resembles home usage than enterprise usage.
What kind of ISPs are closer to home usage?
The "clever guy in the neighborhood setting up some wireless links to nearby appartment buildings and providing cheap internet access" kind of operation.
Also sometimes the "let's all share a single internet connection in our appartment building" type of thing.
 
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Re: Newsletter 97 (September 2020)

Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:00 am

Not just a guy, a lot of eastern european countries have apartment building areas in outskirts of cities. Say 20-30 or more such builgings with 7-9 stories each. Small ISP companies drag cable from building to building, put a switch on the roof, then drag ethernets down ventilation shafts or lift shafts to each apartment. Usually their problem is power on the roof, cable lenght. This is where reverse-PoE and GPER come in handy.
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Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:32 pm

Not just a guy, a lot of eastern european countries have apartment building areas in outskirts of cities. Say 20-30 or more such builgings with 7-9 stories each. Small ISP companies drag cable from building to building, put a switch on the roof, then drag ethernets down ventilation shafts or lift shafts to each apartment. Usually their problem is power on the roof, cable lenght. This is where reverse-PoE and GPER come in handy.
... But at same time in Western Europe, North America and any many other countries many many customers want better Wifi (full 11ac with all the benefits) and Wifi 6 NOW
And are ready to pay!!!
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Re: Newsletter 97 (September 2020)

Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:43 pm

nearly off topic :) Did you watch yesterdays Apple presentation? LTE and 5G is the future there :)
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Re: Newsletter 97 (September 2020)

Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:17 pm

nearly off topic :) Did you watch yesterdays Apple presentation? LTE and 5G is the future there :)
Yes of course. I´m looking for the latest iPhone 12 which of course supports IEEE 802.11ax and MU-MIMO ;-)
 
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Re: Newsletter 97 (September 2020)

Wed Oct 14, 2020 4:07 pm

Not just a guy, a lot of eastern european countries have apartment building areas in outskirts of cities. Say 20-30 or more such builgings with 7-9 stories each. Small ISP companies drag cable from building to building, put a switch on the roof, then drag ethernets down ventilation shafts or lift shafts to each apartment. Usually their problem is power on the roof, cable lenght. This is where reverse-PoE and GPER come in handy.
Our company is from East Europe, we started as this kind of ISP. We built our network with unmanageable switches, after a while, we started to invest in fibers, managable switches, PON and etc. At the present moment I think that if someone is going to start such a small ISP, he would like to have at least option for future management. We still have multi-story buildings which are pre-cabled by the builder with UTP/FTP cable from every apartment to the basement or specialized room. Even at this moment some builders continue to build buildings without cable shafts and they put only cable from "internet room" to every apartment, without thinking for the future.
 
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Wed Oct 14, 2020 4:21 pm

Not just a guy, a lot of eastern european countries have apartment building areas in outskirts of cities. Say 20-30 or more such builgings with 7-9 stories each. Small ISP companies drag cable from building to building, put a switch on the roof, then drag ethernets down ventilation shafts or lift shafts to each apartment. Usually their problem is power on the roof, cable lenght. This is where reverse-PoE and GPER come in handy.
... But at same time in Western Europe, North America and any many other countries many many customers want better Wifi (full 11ac with all the benefits) and Wifi 6 NOW
And are ready to pay!!!
I must agree 100% with you. Even in east Europe clients are ready to pay, we are seeing many A**s/L****** routers for 150E+, the client is thinking that if he pays more, he will get much more. We are selling T*-L*** and Mikrotik routers as option to our home customers. But the customer is forced to choose between stability (Mikrotik) and Wi-Fi Performance and features (Other SOHO brands). At the same time we are giving to our Small business customers Mikrotik router as a part of our contract and this was one the best solution we could make ever.
So at the present moment to my opinion the Mikrotik routers are very suitable for Small Business (around 80% of our customers are using them mainly due to our campaign), Mikrotik routers are starting to fall behind for home-users - they are looking for AX, MU-Mimo, Roaming between 2-3 APs in Big houses and even in Bigger apartments, and etc.. And for Corporate Business (Big Companies) - they are using Cisco, Juniper, Some firewalls vendors and very few of them are using Mikrotik (less than 5-10%). On the other hand Mikrotik is the best solution for VPNs, event in big companies. At our network not so long ago Mikrotik was the only choice for Wireless PtP, about an year ago we were forced to start using other brands, the reason is that with Mikrotik we were not competitive any more - even with wireless the client wants more speed and better stability.
 
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Re: Newsletter 97 (September 2020)

Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:22 pm

... But at same time in Western Europe, North America and any many other countries many many customers want better Wifi (full 11ac with all the benefits) and Wifi 6 NOW
And are ready to pay!!!
But there are plenty of other WiFi6 stuff on the market if you really need WiFi6. I don't see why Mikrotik has to rush to get a WiFi6 device for the SoHo-market. I have use separate WiFi and router/firewall for many years now. If you want performance and flexibility, then don't use all-in-one boxes.

I'm more worried that Mikrotik seems to be going against LTE-based solutions (that no smaller ISPs can't afford anyways)

If Mikrotik wants to be an serious VPN alternative, then they have to do a proper VPN SSL client like Cisco AnyConnect.
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Re: Newsletter 97 (September 2020)

Thu Oct 15, 2020 1:58 am

Second it is advertised as GPEN, which should be mostly ISPs area, less Enterprise area and almost none of Home area, but it is not usable for ISPs and Enterprise scenarios.
I think they are targeting a different kind of ISP than you have in mind... which more resembles home usage than enterprise usage.
What kind of ISPs are closer to home usage?
The "clever guy in the neighborhood setting up some wireless links to nearby appartment buildings and providing cheap internet access" kind of operation.
Also sometimes the "let's all share a single internet connection in our appartment building" type of thing.
This is what I tried in my building couple of years ago, but in my country people are small minded, thinking I'll be getting very rich if I'm sharing them internet for a small fee.
My intention was to bring fast internet to entire building but with no success, people here would gladly pay for their own internet connection which costs 2 or 3 times more than I was offering.
 
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Re: Newsletter 97 (September 2020)

Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:43 pm

Will there be a CRS610?

Will CSS switches some day be able to do 802.1BR?
 
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Re: Newsletter 97 (September 2020)

Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:52 pm

I built hap ac3 in the same place as hap ac2. Disappointed, the 5ghz signal is the same. In one place, the speed dropped by half.
 
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Re: Newsletter 97 (September 2020)

Wed Oct 21, 2020 1:48 pm

I built hap ac3 in the same place as hap ac2. Disappointed, the 5ghz signal is the same. In one place, the speed dropped by half.
Can you make some tests more? How you decided that signal is the same? Some config pls.
 
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Re: Newsletter 97 (September 2020)

Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:57 pm

I built hap ac3 in the same place as hap ac2. Disappointed, the 5ghz signal is the same. In one place, the speed dropped by half.
Can you make some tests more? How you decided that signal is the same? Some config pls.
Some config, the signal is the same... I was left disappointed, their words promising, and the reality quite different.
 
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Re: Newsletter 97 (September 2020)

Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:08 pm

Of course it is only a sales blurb. The ERP (effective radiated power) of an access point has to conform to strict regulations, and all are operating at the max legal limit for the country they are used.
Better antennas will make no difference because the tx power has to be decreased the same amout as the better antennas have gain.
Only the reception of the access point may improve, not the signal strength.
 
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Re: Newsletter 97 (September 2020)

Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:23 pm

Only the reception of the access point may improve, not the signal strength.
I was thinking about this lately. I believe better reception (higher rx sensitivity) also means higher sensitivity to the interference. So you are getting better coverage, but can only enjoy it in quiet areas, whereas in the crowded areas you almost guarantee to get less available airtime (i.e. less speed/bandwidth).

P.S. This does not mean hAP ac² is better than hAP ac³. What that means is that which one is better very much depends on where it is going to be used.
 
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Re: Newsletter 97 (September 2020)

Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:59 pm

The external antennas could perform better in the multi-chain setup, the receive SNR could be better when the client is low-power and the environment is quiet, etc.
But the promise of "stronger signal" is never going to be realized, that is for sure (unless illegal tweaks to the tx power are made).
Of course a "better performing link" could be interpreted as "stronger signal" by the layman.
However, I don't think that the current offerings of MikroTik are in any position to compete with similarly priced products from the competition w.r.t. access point performance.
hAP AC3 unfortunately again does not change that. Maybe in the future, with better software?
 
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Re: Newsletter 97 (September 2020)

Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:13 pm

I want outdoor 'ax radios from Mikrotik.

Look, here's the truth of it. Mikrotik is running vanilla 'ac mode. I get it, porting nv2 to 'ac is a big effort and probably not worth it. 'ax though.... it's all baked in. 'Just' making the driver work and a config interface and bob's yer unkle, Mikrotik has a next-gen product. I like Mikrotik devices, I don't like Mikrotik wireless performance because I feel like I'm in 2012. Bridge this gap please!

I run LTU. I hate it. bugs, limitations in software, limitations in CPE choices, plus having to deal with ubiquiti is something I'm only willing to do for lack of better options.
I run Cambium, and I eat Ramen as a result.

Mikrotik, save me! transplant 'ax radios in your entire 'ac product line PLEASE! Give me an LHG 5ax!

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