Exactly, just call it wAP AC2 or mark2 or something else please. I hate when companies do this. New hardware should always be released with a different model number.Re-using the name and model number when the hardware is so completely different is also not great. Now I have no idea if I order from a distributor if I get the old or new model, which is important if I want 3 chain 5 GHz, or want to run OpenWRT (the new model is likely unsupported for now).
Not really sure I consider the wAP AC an upgrade when it went from 3 chain to 2 chain :(. With more and more devices sharing the same frequency, having good MU-MIMO throughput becomes very important, this seems like a step backwards to me when the competition is selling 4x4 devices.
Re-using the name and model number when the hardware is so completely different is also not great. Now I have no idea if I order from a distributor if I get the old or new model, which is important if I want 3 chain 5 GHz, or want to run OpenWRT (the new model is likely unsupported for now). Why not wAP AC²?
EDIT: Actually it seems the model number is slightly different to indicate the reduced chains - RBwAPG-5HacT2HnD -> RBwAPG-5HacD2HnD
Yes, it might be possible (with great care and appropriate tools) to change LHG LTE6 modem, but it should be same form factor.Regarding: "LHGG LTE6 kit" (RBLHGGR&R11e-LTE6) - Thank you for the 1Gbe interface! - Question: is it safe to presume the LTE-module is future proof ie replaceable with for example a 5G-module when available?
Link LHGG LTE6 kit (RBLHGGR&R11e-LTE6): https://mikrotik.com/product/lhgg_lte6_kit
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PS..
I like "Diving deep into RouterOS”", more of that thank you!
Yes, it might be possible (with great care and appropriate tools) to change LHG LTE6 modem, but it should be same form factor.Question: is it safe to presume the LTE-module is future proof ie replaceable with for example a 5G-module when available?
Can you, please, explain, how this can happen, while the new wAP AC is much worse than old in Transmit (17 vs 23 dBm in 5 GHz) and Receive Sensitivity (-70 vs -73 in 5 GHz) and with 2 wireless antennas instead of 3? Do you have benchmark results?The new wAP AC has an improved CPU and wireless chip, and it comes with improved antennas as well, which even allow outperforming previous revisions.
Finally a high gain LTE and Gigabit device!!!
• LHGG LTE6 kit
Concur to all points. But regarding R11e-LTE6 with B3+1/B1+7 a) I was under the impression it already supported INTER-band for FDD? b) Is it i firmware option from the manufacturer? c) Does R11e-LTE6 CA on TDD as well?Future suggestions:
- Please consider doing a m.2 adapter with correct heatsink - I would love to buy that adapter and put some other m.2 lte modems.
- Please add B3+1 and B1+7 at R11e-LTE6
- Please fix in next version that mounting the case cover, he like break and it's so hard to release
- Please fix that SIM slot, LHGGR have the same slot as LHGR Release1 or you use that better from Release2 ?
Well, been there but not with full 180° rotation ;) We have a customer installation of a LHG LTE6 on an remote island apros 8-9km with LoS over the water to the basstation. Band 20 (800 Mhz) gives about 30-50 Mbit/s depending on weather conditions."LHGGR still with the same Gain... means people with LTE at ~700/900Mhz must move to 180° unit to have better signal, few person check that and this works :)"
I like it too! But, as expected, not a LHG-style device. It is likely too difficult to have a 60GHz/5GHz combined dish feed.Yay for 60GHz/5GHz devices!
It is likely too difficult to have a 60GHz/5GHz combined dish feed.
Yes but that problem was already solved in the Wireless Wire Dish. It has automatic pointing using a steerable beam feeder.Quite likely that dish, decently made for 5GHz, would have 12 times narrower beam width at 60GHz. If beam width @5GHz was, say, 5 degrees, then with 60GHz it would be 0.4 degrees. Impossible to direct it optimally and too sensitive to any vibrations (such as wind gusts). If dish was fine @60GHz, then it would suck @5GHz.
However, it seems to be impossible to combine the Wireless Wire Dish with the LHG5ac in a single device (using a shared dish).
Hi SiB,LHGGR still with the same Gain... means people with LTE at ~700/900Mhz ‘must move to 180°‘ unit to have better signal, few person check that and this works :)
What did you mean exactly by this comment, ‘must move to 180°‘, please?
Next Arm device with half done Wireless Driver...new wAP ac? -> Well, it looks like you took the board layout from the cAP ac with an IPQ40xx chipset and 128 MB of RAM and put it into an modified wAP ac case.
wAP ac 1. generation has 3x3:3 MIMO support, i.e. AC1750
(upgraded) wAP ac 2. generation has 2x2:2 MIMO support, i.e. AC1200
So, as it can be seen you take the IPQ4018/IPQ4019 chipset and put it everywhere. Can you please add MU-MIMO software support, aswell? This chipset supports it, aswell.
OK, understood thank you SiB. I have an LHG operating on Bands 20, 800MHz & 3, 1.8GHz at 1.5km from the tower. I do plan to do some tests with a separate Band 20 diversity antenna to see if I can improve performance above the ~5dB and will update this thread when complete.Gain below 0 (ZERO) is for Bands base differ then 800Mhz who only is good for that LHG(G)R.
Some users (few person) report me that for his 700Mhz (like France/USA) he have better signal when he set direction antenna back to BTS :D of course when he have activated only one band at that frequency
Please create a new one, this is not for your problems but for comment the Newsletter, be ok with netiquette of forum.and will update this thread when complete.
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We will need more information about your issue. It will be great you can contact support team (support@mikrotik.com) with as much details as possible.Sergejs do you know that direct attach cables is not usable in CCR2004 due to the packet loss problem caused by hw port extender?Read our latest newsletter and learn more about:
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Already did it TT [SUP-30387] 4 weeks ago, the problem occurs when you mix different port speeds on CCR2004 in my case 10 giga with giga ....We will need more information about your issue. It will be great you can contact support team (support@mikrotik.com) with as much details as possible.Sergejs do you know that direct attach cables is not usable in CCR2004 due to the packet loss problem caused by hw port extender?Read our latest newsletter and learn more about:
• New direct attach cables
As per our tests and available information, direct attach cable are working good and has nothing to do with packet loss.
We are performing different testing procedures and improving some procedures already, regarding your report about CCR2004. On our opinion issue is not related to the direct attach cables. You will be updated on the ticket, once there are bullet proof results and possible suggestions.Already did it TT [SUP-30387] 4 weeks ago, the problem occurs when you mix different port speeds on CCR2004 in my case 10 giga with giga ....We will need more information about your issue. It will be great you can contact support team (support@mikrotik.com) with as much details as possible.Sergejs do you know that direct attach cables is not usable in CCR2004 due to the packet loss problem caused by hw port extender?Read our latest newsletter and learn more about:
• New direct attach cables
As per our tests and available information, direct attach cable are working good and has nothing to do with packet loss.
When the first 60G devices were introduced there were a lot of folks asking for a combined devices with 5G backup. Now that the first such device is introduced there are other guys saying the opposite...5ghz backup is useless because:
I think it is worthwile to have a 60 GHz device with 5 GHz backup, but I would prefer a slightly more high-gain device so it could be used at a longer distance.When the first 60G devices were introduced there were a lot of folks asking for a combined devices with 5G backup. Now that the first such device is introduced there are other guys saying the opposite...5ghz backup is useless because:
The new WAP ac CPU seems same as in "WAP R ac" (IPQ4018). Not the wap ac LTE Kit (QCA9531).Am I mistaken when I think that the "new wAP ac" is actually the "wAP ac LTE kit" without the LTE module?
So the mess in model names is even bigger, because a wAP ac LTE kit purchased somewhere before September already came with IPQ4018 and two Ethernet ports, whereas wAP ac without "kit" and without "R" offered at that time was built around a mipsbe chip. I have actually never noticed the existence of wAP ac LTE kit with QCA9531.The new WAP ac CPU seems same as in "WAP R ac" (IPQ4018). Not the wap ac LTE Kit (QCA9531).
Can't find any info on that one.Not the wap ac LTE Kit (QCA9531).
I like the device, but not price premium for that 5Ghz backup. lets count: Cube 60 is 69$, Cube 60 ac ir 124, Cube with gigabit would be around 84$, so 5ghz backup adds 40$. When 5ghz backup needed 1 case from 10 I would buy a SXTsq 5 ac for 5ghz backup, but now I have to pay + 360$ for nothing.I think it is worthwile to have a 60 GHz device with 5 GHz backup, but I would prefer a slightly more high-gain device so it could be used at a longer distance.When the first 60G devices were introduced there were a lot of folks asking for a combined devices with 5G backup. Now that the first such device is introduced there are other guys saying the opposite...5ghz backup is useless because:
And of course, there always are people who do not like the devices made available, no matter what they are.
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Hello stollerxd, this thread is only regarding the newsletter. A better place to ask this question is in the forum "Beginner Basics". //Best regards, Lars.I'm newer in mikrotik i want to update ROS of my router what kind of RouterOS (Long-term, Stable, testing or Development) i must used.
I want same, please add this options.Future suggestions:
- Please consider doing a m.2 adapter with correct heatsink - I would love to buy that adapter and put some other m.2 lte modems.
- Please add B3+1 and B1+7 at R11e-LTE6
Sergejs long tests... there are a lot of users with same problem around and after 2 months no answer from mikrotik :-(We are performing different testing procedures and improving some procedures already, regarding your report about CCR2004. On our opinion issue is not related to the direct attach cables. You will be updated on the ticket, once there are bullet proof results and possible suggestions.Already did it TT [SUP-30387] 4 weeks ago, the problem occurs when you mix different port speeds on CCR2004 in my case 10 giga with giga ....We will need more information about your issue. It will be great you can contact support team (support@mikrotik.com) with as much details as possible.Sergejs do you know that direct attach cables is not usable in CCR2004 due to the packet loss problem caused by hw port extender?Read our latest newsletter and learn more about:
• New direct attach cables
As per our tests and available information, direct attach cable are working good and has nothing to do with packet loss.
One thing that I really miss here is nested posts, just like newsgroups and email. This linear thing is awful sometimes...If you need to quote, select only the part of the post needed to understand what your reply to.
I hope MikroTik can give real answer to this on the 'improvements' Perhaps they're all moving to ARM chipset to streamline their hardware support for the drop of routerOS v7..... perhaps we will see ALL the wireless driver performance there?!Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the new wAP AC now identical to the cAP AC? Except cAP AC has PoE out on the 2nd port and is $20 cheaper. Are we really paying +$20 for a different case?
New one is downgraded to AC1200 2x2, gen1 was AC1750 3x3.
Re GPON ...any word about GPON or EPON?
Re: It helps when they are mounted in a fan-cooled deviceAll but trivial SFP modules often get uncomfortably hot. The package is too small to dissipate 5-10W of power. It helps when they are mounted in a fan-cooled device.
msatterYou could consider Class C+ gpon from FS. It has a temperature range of -40 to 85 Celcius, normal is 0 to 70 Celcius.
https://www.fs.com/de-en/products/64168.html
I don't know if these use SFP. I was talking about SFP.Re: It helps when they are mounted in a fan-cooled device
-- What about the thousands/millions of existing GPON customers with outdoor Nema enclosures which don't have fans ?
It often depends on technical innovation how much power is dissipated in a certain functional module. 40 years ago computers used tens of kilowatts, now a few watts.IMO - any device that puts out excessive heat is an electrically inefficient device that is just wasting energy in the form of heat.
re: It often depends on technical innovation how much power is dissipated in a certain functional module. 40 years ago computers used tens of kilowatts, now a few watts.I don't know if these use SFP. I was talking about SFP.Re: It helps when they are mounted in a fan-cooled device
-- What about the thousands/millions of existing GPON customers with outdoor Nema enclosures which don't have fans ?
It often depends on technical innovation how much power is dissipated in a certain functional module. 40 years ago computers used tens of kilowatts, now a few watts.IMO - any device that puts out excessive heat is an electrically inefficient device that is just wasting energy in the form of heat.
I have an SFP that contains a VDSL modem, it runs uncomfortably hot. And I have heard the same about SFPs for RJ45 copper ethernet conversion.
The device is small and it is inserted into a slot in the case. Even a little power dissipation can raise the temperature a lot.
No, but you can ask them for for a sample.msatterYou could consider Class C+ gpon from FS. It has a temperature range of -40 to 85 Celcius, normal is 0 to 70 Celcius.
https://www.fs.com/de-en/products/64168.html
Thanks for the post.
Have you tested this product ?
msatter - wow !!!! Thank you for this post.No, but you can ask them for for a sample.msatterYou could consider Class C+ gpon from FS. It has a temperature range of -40 to 85 Celcius, normal is 0 to 70 Celcius.
https://www.fs.com/de-en/products/64168.html
Thanks for the post.
Have you tested this product ?
https://www.fs.com/sample_application.html