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HAP AC

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 11:25 am
by marcodor
Hello!

Any news when announced in April product HAP AC will be available to customers?

Thanks!

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 4:18 pm
by efaden
Actually looking for one also.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 4:24 pm
by marrold
The excitement is building

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 4:51 pm
by edzikk
Any news about the release date of the HAP AC?

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2015 1:12 pm
by G2Dolphin
Any news about the release date of the HAP AC?
November approx.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:00 pm
by deanMKD1
I dont understand why hAP AC will have only 160 mW output power? Why reduce the output power from 1000 mw to 160? Also CPU is only 650 Mhz, that is too poor for this time we live..

Normis, why you dont make hAP AC with 1000 mW Wireless power like 951Ui, 951G and RB2011UiAS??

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:17 pm
by normis
I dont understand why hAP AC will have only 160 mW output power? Why reduce the output power from 1000 mw to 160? Also CPU is only 650 Mhz, that is too poor for this time we live..

Normis, why you dont make hAP AC with 1000 mW Wireless power like 951Ui, 951G and RB2011UiAS??
where did you see that? specs are not announced

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:48 pm
by rohaantje
I dont understand why hAP AC will have only 160 mW output power? Why reduce the output power from 1000 mw to 160? Also CPU is only 650 Mhz, that is too poor for this time we live..

Normis, why you dont make hAP AC with 1000 mW Wireless power like 951Ui, 951G and RB2011UiAS??
where did you see that? specs are not announced
how: http://bfy.tw/286K
here: http://www.lanmart.ru/mikrotik-hap-ac.html

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2015 7:51 pm
by deanMKD1
Yes as user tell, i see the specs for hAP AC on lanmark.ru
http://www.lanmart.ru/mikrotik-hap-ac.html

So specs listed here are not correct ?

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2015 9:33 pm
by chechito
taking in count the cost (cheaper than rb951ui) can be the hap ac lite not the full version

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2015 9:41 pm
by deanMKD1
What will be cheaper then rb951ui ? HAP AC ??

i talking about hAP AC not lite model.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2015 9:52 pm
by honzam
diferences:
hAP AC lite - 5 fast ethernet - No SFP port - 650Mhz CPU, single chain 5Ghz AC
hAP AC - 5 gigabit ethernet - 1x SFP - 720Mhz CPU, 3chain 5Ghz AC

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:15 am
by deanMKD1
I expected 1Ghz Dual Core for hAP AC version.. :(

Also, what is wireless output power in hAP AC?

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:24 am
by ronniee
No new information annonced yesterday at Turkish MUM about hAP ac/lite, thats mean the products will not be available until november/december Q4 (in best case).
The RB3011 it seems is ready, maybe will be released at MUM Indonesia in 2 days.
But hAP ac, cAP dual band, NV3 when?????

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Re: HAP AC

Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 10:46 pm
by chechito
I expected 1Ghz Dual Core for hAP AC version.. :(

Also, what is wireless output power in hAP AC?

that wil be good for some implementations but increasing the cost

keep in mind some vendors has dual band ac equipment around 200US, i think mikrotik its aiming for 100US for full hap AC version and that is difficult

maybe dual core cpu and ac radio will increase power consumption too much to allow a 24v passive poe to work reliably

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:27 am
by deanMKD1
Price for hAP AC will be ~150$ i suppose.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:25 am
by chechito
Price for hAP AC will be ~150$ i suppose.
i hope will be 100US, ubiquiti has announced an ac1200 (2x2:2) dual band AP for 89US (its available on some sites)

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 1:58 pm
by iwikus
Delayed again??? Mikrotik, why announcing product when it is not available for nearly ONE YEAR. So sad :( :?

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 3:10 pm
by normis
We have it and it works fine. I have one right in front of me. But some paperwork takes longer than usual.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 7:18 pm
by doneware
We have it and it works fine. I have one right in front of me. But some paperwork takes longer than usual.
is it somehow related to this?

What's new in 6.34rc1 (2015-Nov-06 15:50):

*) new product support added

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 8:24 pm
by Balmungmp5
We have it and it works fine. I have one right in front of me. But some paperwork takes longer than usual.
Out of curiosity, are you able to elaborate at all on what is the biggest hold up for the release?

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 11:27 pm
by G2Dolphin
is it somehow related to this?

What's new in 6.34rc1 (2015-Nov-06 15:50):

*) new product support added
I think this is about GPON SFP.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 12:42 pm
by normis
is it somehow related to this?

What's new in 6.34rc1 (2015-Nov-06 15:50):

*) new product support added
I think this is about GPON SFP.
No, GPON is supported already, any RouterBOARD device with an SFP port can plug and use, regardless of RouterOS version

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 1:30 pm
by darkmanlv
waiting for it too.... living 800 meters from office of Mikrotik in Riga and still no hap ac :))

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 6:34 am
by kiler129
waiting for it too.... living 800 meters from office of Mikrotik in Riga and still no hap ac :))
Hmm... maybe you can try giving them pack of donuts and while they eat you can stealthily get one of these test units? :lol:

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 2:36 pm
by aa007
Is there any information about approximate date? It would be perfect if it would be out till the end of this month as we will definitely need a lot of them in december.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 5:01 am
by chechito
looks like we are close, some guy publish this photos on facebook
hapac1.jpg
hapac2.jpg
hapac3.jpg

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 5:39 pm
by deanMKD1
Where you see this images on fb ? Can you post link ? Is customer or some mikrotik stuff ?

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2015 7:41 pm
by pescobar
is there any news about the availability and price of hAP AC? I would like to purchase one of these....

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 10:14 am
by cpliu903
When time release ?

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:40 pm
by Valerio5000
Led wireless is one ?

1 for 2,4 Ghz and 1 for 5 Ghz

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:59 pm
by normis
Led wireless is one ?

1 for 2,4 Ghz and 1 for 5 Ghz
Two LEDs, next to each other, different colors. Can be configured or disabled one by one

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 4:35 pm
by deanMKD1
@normis release time ? Will be out this year ?

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 2:34 am
by darkmanlv
still waiting from september, please tell ~ release date....

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 2:55 am
by cpliu903
still waiting from september, please tell ~ release date....
me too. who know ?

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 3:19 am
by chechito
i think wlan-wifi market is not a priority to mikrotik

why i think that??



mikrotik have many AC devices for PtP and PtMP scenarios, even launching unannounced products like sxt lite ac

launching "new" wlan-wifi devices performing worst than the old rb951Ui

here we are, waiting for the first dual band AC wlan-wifi ap from mikrotik 2 years after the first generation of ubiquiti

meanwhile ubiquiti is already shipping their second generation 2

:?

i think the only recent success of mikrotik on wlan-wifi arena is the hAP lite, and is because their price not because was innovative

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:30 pm
by ronniee
you think hap ac will be released until christmas?
or only before MUM Europe 2016 +/-1year ?

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:31 pm
by normis
you think hap ac will be released until christmas?
or only before MUM Europe 2016 +/-1year ?
Sorry but it will not be ready this year

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2015 11:32 pm
by gintsmurans
I am sorry to hear that, I am also waiting for mikrotik ac router for a while already. Had to buy Asus router for office, instead. Is it going to be out next year january, february or there are no even approximate date yet?

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 12:59 am
by Zorro
i think wlan-wifi market is not a priority to mikrotik
why i think that??
yeah, RadWin, Raytheon, Harris is better choice in your case. good luck !!
whyever you "think" - please do it less louder. and perferably somewhere else. tnx.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 2:41 am
by chechito
i think wlan-wifi market is not a priority to mikrotik
why i think that??
yeah, RadWin, Raytheon, Harris is better choice in your case. good luck !!
whyever you "think" - please do it less louder. and perferably somewhere else. tnx.

i like very much mikrotik devices, with rb951Ui i have very successful implementations but the problem is people very often requesting 802.11AC or at least dualband.

im not very happy of installing 100+ dualband ap of other vendors across 2015 when all i want to install is mikrotik

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:31 pm
by mavink

i like very much mikrotik devices, with rb951Ui i have very successful implementations but the problem is people very often requesting 802.11AC or at least dualband.

im not very happy of installing 100+ dualband ap of other vendors across 2015 when all i want to install is mikrotik
Combining a RB922UAGS-5HPacD with a R11e-2HPnD will work just fine if you're looking for a Mikrotik solution. You get enough RAM to run just about anything you want, a decent CPU, SPF port and a set of nice powerful radio's.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:39 pm
by chechito

i like very much mikrotik devices, with rb951Ui i have very successful implementations but the problem is people very often requesting 802.11AC or at least dualband.

im not very happy of installing 100+ dualband ap of other vendors across 2015 when all i want to install is mikrotik
Combining a RB922UAGS-5HPacD with a R11e-2HPnD will work just fine if you're looking for a Mikrotik solution. You get enough RAM to run just about anything you want, a decent CPU, SPF port and a set of nice powerful radio's.
you are rigth

unfortunately available local legal resellers dont sell that parts in my country, for enterprise customers in my country is not an option to buy hardware online because legal, tax and guarantee issues, and in my country buy from international resellers plus the time taken in my country to get international orders across customs can be as 30 calendar days.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2015 1:19 am
by kiler129
Combining a RB922UAGS-5HPacD with a R11e-2HPnD will work just fine if you're looking for a Mikrotik solution.
Unfortunately not for 802.11ac solution, since if you place R11e-5HacT inside mPCIe slot provided you have 5Ghz a/n + 5Ghz ac.

Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:36 am
by jarda
He wrote to put 2hpnd into 922 ac board. What's wrong with it? It is the solution but not elegant and quite expensive.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2015 1:07 am
by kiler129
Ough, I got the model number wrong, but it's still just 2x2 802.11ac - hAP AC is 3x3 so, something we want.
I wish MikroTik will catchup and release 4st. AP with MU-MIMO. Qualcomm have at least two suitable solutions: QAC2300 and QCA9990.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2015 4:27 am
by chechito
Ough, I got the model number wrong, but it's still just 2x2 802.11ac - hAP AC is 3x3 so, something we want.
I wish MikroTik will catchup and release 4st. AP with MU-MIMO. Qualcomm have at least two suitable solutions: QAC2300 and QCA9990.
im not sure if hAP AC is 2x2:2 or 3x3:3 on 5ghz radio

i thing som AC functionalities (mu-mimo, 160 channels, beamforming) will be not massively deployed at least not in 2016, think about it a lot of recent AC client devices are 1x1:1, that maybe push a motivation for mu-mimo off course if clietn devices support it

i think the big deal of AC is to massively migrate to 5ghz spectrum on 40mhz and/or 80mhz channels

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2015 3:57 pm
by kiler129
hAP ac is 3x3. Speaking about beamforming some APs supports that already (e.g. Apple Airport Extreme). MU-MIMO is something I wait for mostly ;)

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2015 4:52 pm
by xlvii
Let me get this clear, so on configuration with 1x antenna, 802.11ac on 5GHz is no better than 802.11n?

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 8:26 pm
by VeixES
Eagerly waiting for 802.11ac(5Ghz) home access point from mikrotik. Would be nice addition to the RB2011UiAS-2HnD-IN already doing the grunt of 500/500Mbit home network routing.

Complete package based on RB911G-5HPacD would be a good start :)

If the product only needs paperwork approved and it does not change the technical specifications of it, then maybe you could release the info on web so the itch to buy something else would go away :)

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 4:32 pm
by honzam
As cdr.pl say. Maybe hAP ac lite will be sold this year

http://www.cdr.pl/download/hAP_ac_lite.pdf

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 5:17 pm
by mavink
Let me get this clear, so on configuration with 1x antenna, 802.11ac on 5GHz is no better than 802.11n?
No, 802.11ac will be a lot better, even with a single antenna. With 40 MHz of bandwidth you can get a theoretical data rate of 200 Mbps, versus 150 Mbps for 802.11n; but 802.11ac can also use 80 MHz for a 433 Mbps data rate. In some cases/countries you can even go up to 160 MHz.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 5:24 pm
by chechito
Let me get this clear, so on configuration with 1x antenna, 802.11ac on 5GHz is no better than 802.11n?
No, 802.11ac will be a lot better, even with a single antenna. With 40 MHz of bandwidth you can get a theoretical data rate of 200 Mbps, versus 150 Mbps for 802.11n; but 802.11ac can also use 80 MHz for a 433 Mbps data rate. In some cases/countries you can even go up to 160 MHz.

802.11n 2x2:2 40mhz sgi 300mbps datarate ~71dbm signal needed

802.11ac 1x1:1 80mhz sgi 433mbps datarate ~63dbm signal needed

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:18 pm
by wojtekCDR
As cdr.pl say. Maybe hAP ac lite will be sold this year
Not maybe, for sure :)
We will get them on friday probably.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:21 pm
by kiler129
@wojtekCDR: Maybe you have some inside information about hAP ac ;>

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 11:09 pm
by honzam
As cdr.pl say. Maybe hAP ac lite will be sold this year
Not maybe, for sure :)
We will get them on friday probably.
Please do some inside photos in Friday and add to your web.
Thanks :)

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2015 12:17 am
by deanMKD1
AC Wireless with 1/100 mbps LAN ports.. LOL :lol:

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:47 am
by cpliu903
AC Wireless with 1/100 mbps LAN ports.. LOL :lol:
As cdr.pl say. Maybe hAP ac lite will be sold this year

http://www.cdr.pl/download/hAP_ac_lite.pdf

Why routerboard always provide 10/100Mbps Ethernet ports? too outdated.

And what's specifications for hAP AC ??

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:07 am
by honzam
Because this in my post is AC Lite
hAP AC have Gigabit ports

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:30 am
by cpliu903
you think hap ac will be released until christmas?
or only before MUM Europe 2016 +/-1year ?
Sorry but it will not be ready this year
Please speed up to release hAP AC !!! Jan 2016 ?? Feb 2016 ??

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2015 12:05 pm
by mavink
AC Wireless with 1/100 mbps LAN ports.. LOL :lol:
As cdr.pl say. Maybe hAP ac lite will be sold this year

http://www.cdr.pl/download/hAP_ac_lite.pdf

Why routerboard always provide 10/100Mbps Ethernet ports? too outdated.

And what's specifications for hAP AC ??
The "non-lite" HAP ac will have gigabit ports, an SFP port and 3-chain 802.11ac. In other words: that is the one we're all waiting for :)

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2015 3:06 pm
by deanMKD1
you think hap ac will be released until christmas?
or only before MUM Europe 2016 +/-1year ?
Sorry but it will not be ready this year
Please speed up to release hAP AC !!! Jan 2016 ?? Feb 2016 ??
Dec 2016 will be enough time to get out HAP AC i suppose. :lol:

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2015 9:04 pm
by Liodakis
I already got a few hAP ac lite (952Ui-5ac2nD).

I guess we will have also hAP ac really soon.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2015 10:51 pm
by Zorro
late yanuary 2016 suggested "earliest possible" by some ressellers, but thats just a guess, so i presume thats february, march will be more realistic time for HAP AC.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2015 10:00 am
by cpliu903
I already got a few hAP ac lite (952Ui-5ac2nD).

I guess we will have also hAP ac really soon.
how about wireless performance ?

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2015 5:38 pm
by honzam
Mikrotik say in PDF so hAP AC is 2,4Ghz - dual chain and 5Ghz - Triple Chain
http://gregsowell.com/wp-content/upload ... eumum3.png

In this review say - RB962UiGS-5HacT2HnT
It mean 2,4Ghz-triple chain, 5 Ghz-triple chain.
http://mikrotik.co.id/artikel_lihat.php?id=164

What is true? Mikrotik PDF or this review?

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2015 1:19 pm
by Zorro
Mikrotik say in PDF so hAP AC is 2,4Ghz - dual chain and 5Ghz - Triple Chain
http://gregsowell.com/wp-content/upload ... eumum3.png

In this review say - RB962UiGS-5HacT2HnT
It mean 2,4Ghz-triple chain, 5 Ghz-triple chain.
http://mikrotik.co.id/artikel_lihat.php?id=164

What is true? Mikrotik PDF or this review?
would be cool.
but i doubt that device - will benefit from 2x or 3x setup much, cuz its imply Much more powerful SoC to enjoy it by router :/
but maybe i wrong. and i hope i was :)

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2015 2:48 am
by cpliu903
Mikrotik say in PDF so hAP AC is 2,4Ghz - dual chain and 5Ghz - Triple Chain
http://gregsowell.com/wp-content/upload ... eumum3.png

In this review say - RB962UiGS-5HacT2HnT
It mean 2,4Ghz-triple chain, 5 Ghz-triple chain.
http://mikrotik.co.id/artikel_lihat.php?id=164

What is true? Mikrotik PDF or this review?
would be cool.
but i doubt that device - will benefit from 2x or 3x setup much, cuz its imply Much more powerful SoC to enjoy it by router :/
but maybe i wrong. and i hope i was :)
Does hAP ac support MU-MIMO feature ?

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2015 3:40 am
by chechito
Mikrotik say in PDF so hAP AC is 2,4Ghz - dual chain and 5Ghz - Triple Chain
http://gregsowell.com/wp-content/upload ... eumum3.png

In this review say - RB962UiGS-5HacT2HnT
It mean 2,4Ghz-triple chain, 5 Ghz-triple chain.
http://mikrotik.co.id/artikel_lihat.php?id=164

What is true? Mikrotik PDF or this review?
would be cool.
but i doubt that device - will benefit from 2x or 3x setup much, cuz its imply Much more powerful SoC to enjoy it by router :/
but maybe i wrong. and i hope i was :)
Does hAP ac support MU-MIMO feature ?

i dont think so

recommended reading

http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wireless ... prime-time
Tri-band and MU-MIMO don't improve range
Neither "tri-band" / Smart Connect nor MU-MIMO contain technology designed to extend range. Both are primarily designed to improve total bandwidth use.
MU-MIMO routers requires MU-MIMO devices and only improve throughput for 5 GHz downlink (router to device) and strong signals. You need at least two MU devices to see any benefit and you get the optimum throughput gain with 3 MU devices.
"Tri-band" (actually tri-radio) routers work with all devices and work up and downlink. They use two 5 GHz radios so slower devices can be directed to one radio, faster devices to the other. "Smart Connect" technology is supposed to automatically direct devices to the proper radio. But many devices don't like being told what to do and stubbornly stay on a radio, slowing down faster devices.
http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wireless ... u-wifi-joy

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2015 7:07 pm
by kiler129
MU-MIMO is available from 2nd generation of 802.11ac I think, while hAP AC will be for sure 1st gen.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 10:34 am
by ronniee
but the 720MHz 1core CPU isn't slow for this router?
is the processor the weakness of this product?
regarding the Indonesian article the CPU usage at 100Mbit was 40%, but we expect 600-700Mbit-1Gbit routing, can serve such traffic?

Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 1:55 pm
by Siona
Do you really need 1gbps routing in small soho router/dual band ap you can buy for $100?
In Poland we used to say "Takie rzeczy tylko w Erze" it means: "it's impossible but every one wants it".

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 8:05 pm
by gamernorbi
Does this router has HW NAT?
My ISP is RCS RDS from Romania and my internet speed is 1Gbps over PPoE.
Does it goes WAN to LAN 1Gbps.I had other expensive routers but they only go up to 200-250Mbps becuase of lack of Hardware Acceleration.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 8:09 pm
by gamernorbi
My ISP is RDS from Romania and I have the 1Gbps package.Does this router has HW NAT?I mean hardware acceleration to support 1Gbps WAN to LAN PPoE type.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 8:35 pm
by VeixES
It's 2016 ;) No need to withhold the release of this nice product any more :)

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 11:01 pm
by kiler129
@ronniee: hAP ac is aimed at SOHO market. I think it will route fully loded radios, but without fancy queues or few dozen firewall rules.
Don't forget about FastTrack/FastPath ;)

I personally see two use-cases - SOHO router in place of crappy TP-Link/D-Link/other or ordinary WAP controlled by more beefy router.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 4:41 pm
by spippan
2 0 1 6

an still no hAP AC :( :( waiting hard for this little guy to replace my RB2011...

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 6:42 pm
by jarda
My ISP is RDS from Romania and I have the 1Gbps package.Does this router has HW NAT?I mean hardware acceleration to support 1Gbps WAN to LAN PPoE type.
There is no ros running device with hw nat support. But there is better thing in all devices with ros: fasttrack.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 7:54 pm
by doneware
at least the lite version is here:
hAP ac lite
Dual-Concurrent 2.4/5GHz AP, 802.11ac, Five Ethernet ports, POE-out on port 5, USB for 3G/4G support
$49.95

http://routerboard.com/RB952Ui-5ac2nD

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 12:24 am
by spippan
at least the lite version is here:
hAP ac lite
Dual-Concurrent 2.4/5GHz AP, 802.11ac, Five Ethernet ports, POE-out on port 5, USB for 3G/4G support
$49.95

http://routerboard.com/RB952Ui-5ac2nD
yeah but no gigabit, single-chain 5GHz, .... and so on.
i'd love to see the hAP ac (regular) finally released :?

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 5:05 am
by chechito
at least the lite version is here:
hAP ac lite
Dual-Concurrent 2.4/5GHz AP, 802.11ac, Five Ethernet ports, POE-out on port 5, USB for 3G/4G support
$49.95

http://routerboard.com/RB952Ui-5ac2nD
yeah but no gigabit, single-chain 5GHz, .... and so on.
i'd love to see the hAP ac (regular) finally released :?
i think the good news are the cost

makes me dream about a hAP AC full at 79us

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 12:17 pm
by spippan
at least the lite version is here:
hAP ac lite
Dual-Concurrent 2.4/5GHz AP, 802.11ac, Five Ethernet ports, POE-out on port 5, USB for 3G/4G support
$49.95

http://routerboard.com/RB952Ui-5ac2nD
yeah but no gigabit, single-chain 5GHz, .... and so on.
i'd love to see the hAP ac (regular) finally released :?
i think the good news are the cost

makes me dream about a hAP AC full at 79us
now THAT would be great.
hoping they will have the paperworks through soon .... can't wait longer to claim a hAP AC ...

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 7:54 pm
by syntxerr
Sorry but it will not be ready this year
Normis, do you happen to have any details - I mean anything? Are we looking at Q1, Q2? Do you guys not have a clue yet due to regulatory issues?

Ive been holding off but am starting to roll out other 5g APs / routers for customers in condo units as their 2.4 is just too crowded!

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 1:26 pm
by ronniee
It would be to good for 79usd.
The RB951G(no SFP, single wireless card) price is 79,95usd, of cource this price can be dropped or upgraded the 3 years old hardware.

More realistic price for hAP ac is 89 or 99usd.
If there are some frequency regulation problems for US, why can't be released the International(EU) version earlier?

Maybe(I hope) in the same time Mikrotik are working on a dual band version of cAP with 3 chain ac & 3chain b/g/n with gigabit port/ports version also.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 11:58 pm
by chechito

Maybe(I hope) in the same time Mikrotik are working on a dual band version of cAP with 3 chain ac & 3chain b/g/n with gigabit port/ports version also.

good idea, many projects dont need:

sfp port
4 additional ethernet
1 poe output
1 usb port

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 3:09 am
by cpliu903
now THAT would be great.
hoping they will have the paperworks through soon .... can't wait longer to claim a hAP AC ...
We have it and it works fine. I have one right in front of me. But some paperwork takes longer than usual.
Hi normis, when time finish paperwork? Jan or Feb ? We have waited for too long.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 6:47 pm
by chechito
i think mikrotik have ceased to announce, comment or tease new devices or launches until they are ready to release them

now they are simply announcing releasing products when the product is ready to ship

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 10:58 pm
by BigDavid
Well that's fine for unannounced products, but the HAP AC was announced MONTHS ago. It's a bit late now to start saying they don't provide information on products.

Quite frankly, the whole situations starting to take the p*ss really. How many people here held off buying a router from a competitor based on the imminent "Q3 2015" HAP AC? It wouldn't be a problem if back in September, Mikrotik had said "you know what, we're having major issues getting this certified, it probably won't be ready unil 2016". Instead we've constantly been led to believe that release is just around the corner, and now (when they've probably run into further issues that they don't want to let on) we're being stonewalled. Stringing customers along like this is wrong, plain and simple!

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 12:24 pm
by jmontero
More neews about availability?

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 1:27 pm
by spippan
Sorry but it will not be ready this year
any news mr. nice guy? :?

Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 4:34 pm
by jarda
... Just reapply the term "this year"...

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 12:00 pm
by Archibald2403
I have a little problem with routerOS upgrade on RB952Ui-5ac2nD.

Router has 6.30.4 and I would like upgrade to 6.33.5.

There is only 16MB of flash and 12MB is used by system.
Anyone knows how to upgrade system when size of packages is about 7MB?

If packages are in RAM, upgrade doesn't work.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 1:38 pm
by spippan
EDIT:
down below a short hint on how you could do it
BUT... i guess this thread is the wrong thread for update/upgrade related questions
I have a little problem with routerOS upgrade on RB952Ui-5ac2nD.

Router has 6.30.4 and I would like upgrade to 6.33.5.

There is only 16MB of flash and 12MB is used by system.
Anyone knows how to upgrade system when size of packages is about 7MB?

If packages are in RAM, upgrade doesn't work.

on the router you wish to upgrade:
make a backup
/system backup save ([-optional-]name=backupfile)
/export verbose file=BackupExport
save the files locally OFF of your routerboard! (IMPORTANT)

get netinstall
get your desired npk update package
flash your RB with the new firmware
re-apply your backup
verify desired functions

and that's it pretty much ;)

hope that helps

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 11:49 am
by whitbread
I would rather tend to deinstall packages not needed; this frees up lots of memory and storage.

16 MB is not sufficient for all packages. I can accept that on hap lite but not on hap ac lite...

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 8:49 pm
by R1CH
Any news on how the certification process is going?

Actually looking at the products submitted to the FCC I don't even see the hAP AC?

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2016 7:04 pm
by littlebill
bumping to top, whats the update ready to buy !

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 7:41 pm
by marcodor
Littlebill,

HAP AC was anounced in April 2015. Probably MT is waiting for April 2016 to deliver it.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 7:59 pm
by deanMKD1
Haha lol big fail for Mikrotik. Show router one year in papers, release to buyers one year later. :lol:

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 3:18 am
by cpliu903
Littlebill,

HAP AC was anounced in April 2015. Probably MT is waiting for April 2016 to deliver it.
It's too bad and misleading. Let's wait 1 year.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 2:34 pm
by sass
Probable reason is that they need to sell stock of previous versions...

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2016 5:21 am
by kiler129
Sorry, I was bored and I couldn't resist not to make it :lol:
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Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2016 9:38 am
by chechito
+1 i believe too

i have many successful implementations with rb951Ui

expecting to do the same on dual band wih hAP ac


go Mikrotik !!!

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:50 am
by aa007
I have a bad feeling that there is something wrong not with papers but the product itself, Mikrotik is not doing papers for the first time and there is no answer from them, so it looks to me like the product is having some major issues and they try to "cover" it with silence... It would be really cool from you guys to face it and comunicate with the community...

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:35 pm
by spippan
Probable reason is that they need to sell stock of previous versions...
and therefore holding back a release for a year? ... n'ah if you ask me :lol:

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 6:40 pm
by ka4opi4a
I'm wondering why there is no official answer from MT support... I sell my home hardware and waiting for HAP AC for few monts. Please, MT say something ;)

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:37 pm
by chechito
I have a bad feeling that there is something wrong not with papers but the product itself, Mikrotik is not doing papers for the first time and there is no answer from them, so it looks to me like the product is having some major issues and they try to "cover" it with silence... It would be really cool from you guys to face it and comunicate with the community...
i think the version initial released to validation or has some mayor issue requiring to re-design

or maybe when redesigning, chipset vendor change the offer of chip-sets maybe with newer chipset forcing to start from zero.

well, only mikrotik knows what the hell happened with hAP AC, i hope situation solve at least on 2q of 2016, im tired of installing unifi

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 3:22 pm
by spippan
at least SOME statement of info would be nice!

i had to sidestep to a GrooveA52 for 5GHz extension to an existing network where i could have replaced 2 devices with a hAP AC :(

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 6:30 pm
by deanMKD1
I think that we will not see this unit until Q2 2016. Sadly. :?

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 7:09 pm
by baggar11
I'm pretty new to MikroTik having only had an RB951 unit for about 2 1/2 years now. And it may be the last MikroTik device I own even though the RB951 has been great.

This whole hAP AC shenanigans has really left me with a sour taste for MikroTik as a whole. Communication to the enthusiasts on this forum could be a lot better. I've repeatedly asked for product updates thinking that Normis might chime in with a little insight into what is causing the delay. Even though he has commented a couple times on what was delaying the RB3011. Coming up on a year since introduction, I'm wondering if I should just pull the trigger on something else.

Even something as simple as the following I think would calm most of us:

"working with chipset manufacturer on design again"
"troubleshooting manufacturing issues"
"ran into software bug"
"in final stretch of testing"
"aiming for newsletter XX in Q?"

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 7:55 pm
by chechito
i think because hAP AC the policy of announcements have changed, the late released devices wasn't announced until they where ready (mAP lite, wAP, SXT Lite AC, SXT LTE)

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 9:59 pm
by gamernorbi
Well until 10 day of this month if nothing hapens I will buy an Asus AC87U router.I waited a lot and nothing.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:05 pm
by voz
The it is less than us, the more will get on everyone :lol:

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:53 pm
by xlvii
Well until 10 day of this month if nothing hapens I will buy an Asus AC87U router.I waited a lot and nothing.
For like 3x price? Nah...

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 4:37 pm
by wojtekCDR

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 4:56 pm
by ka4opi4a
Still nothing on routerboard.com....

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 5:02 pm
by wojtekCDR
On stock around tuesday 9th February.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 8:14 pm
by honzam
Still nothing on routerboard.com....
First info is from distributors, then on mikrotik.com

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 8:51 pm
by ka4opi4a
Sorry, I didn't know that. Let's hope we all can touch it in february.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 9:21 pm
by chechito
OMG OMG :o :o :o

at least !!!!!

please someone confirm the cost in US dolar o euros

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 9:34 pm
by ka4opi4a
I think somewhere between 80 and 100 us dollars. This is only suggestion.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 9:43 pm
by chechito
I think somewhere between 80 and 100 us dollars. This is only suggestion.
i hope the same

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 9:43 pm
by ZeroByte
Well until 10 day of this month if nothing hapens I will buy an Asus AC87U router.I waited a lot and nothing.
LOL - they beat your deadline by a day, apparently.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 9:46 pm
by chechito
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 9:50 pm
by sass
Please correct me If I'm not right: HAP AC = update of RB951G-2HnD model?

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 10:55 pm
by G2Dolphin
Thanks for naming ports "1-2-3-4-5" on the case. I just can't get used to these "Internet-2-3-4-5" namings, especially remembering RouterOS multi-WAN capabilites.

By the way, it's a new top length of device "internal" name — RB962UiGS-5HacT2HnT. %)

UPD:
"Storage type Flash
Flash size 16 MB"

Thank you very much, MikroTik. *facepalm*

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 11:07 pm
by ZeroByte
UPD:
"Storage type Flash
Flash size 16 MB"

Thank you very much, MikroTik. *facepalm*
They do at least allow external USB storage....

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 11:07 pm
by chechito

UPD:
"Storage type Flash
Flash size 16 MB"

Thank you very much, MikroTik. *facepalm*
i hope the cost justify that

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 11:14 pm
by honzam
Price from cdr.pl is $120,45

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 11:44 pm
by ka4opi4a
Little bit high price if it's real. This is the same price of RB2011 with wifi.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 12:35 am
by chechito
Little bit high price if it's real. This is the same price of RB2011 with wifi.
making that comparison is really cheap, because it has triple chain, dual concurrent radios, and better CPU, the only loss is the 5 port fast ethernet switch

i was expecting that price because competition triple chain, dual concurrent radio is at 150US

that leaves the hap ac lite at 50 us as a contender for cheap dual band market

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 12:51 am
by deanMKD1
1. Only 16MB Flash ? Seriously ?? :( :? :lol:
2. Too high price for 720 Mhz processor, 128MB ram (similar as RB951Ui/G)
3. Mikrotik start to sucks with new models.. Really.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 2:05 am
by wojtekCDR
Price from cdr.pl is $120,45
With VAT 23% included :)

EXW without VAT will be under $95 without problem.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 2:06 am
by brwainer
I am so glad that this has finally come out.... now just have to wait for shipping... and finding the bugs that need an immediate update post-release. And then I expect good things!

the image looks like there is a switch or something right behind the USB port - unless that is part of how the enclosure latches together? I'm curious about what that is.

the description says "high power transmitter" and the board name has a H for both 2.4GHz and 5GHz... I wonder if that means 1000mW or something less? the miniPCIe AC card is only 630mW output for comparison

Edit: and also have to wait for a US distributor to post it on their site

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 8:25 am
by kiler129
Little bit high price if it's real. This is the same price of RB2011 with wifi.
Not really - all prices in Poland have to be presented with tax, which is 23% for electronics. I expect price of $95-99.
Also @chechito brightly pointed that it lacks (simple and cheap) FEth 5p switch, but you're getting 802.11ac radio instead. While RB2011 is priced at $129 (but can be bought for ~$99) hAP ac is FAR BETTER choice.
1. Only 16MB Flash ? Seriously ??
...and exactly how you gonna utilize that memory in router targeted for endusers? If you need more storage for sure even 128MB will not be enough. While you can get decent usb stick smaller than a nail for $5 it's not worth the effort to install more flash onboard.
I personally use extra storage for web proxy only (and it require usb drive anyway due to write cycles limit and capacity). My logs are collected at remote server, and for sure hAP it's not gonna be a BGP peer.
Don't get me wrong, but I just don't see a massive use-case for more flash memory anyway.
2. Too high price for 720 Mhz processor, 128MB ram (similar as RB951Ui/G)
Point me to cheaper alternative please ;) The closest competitor will be Ubiquity 1st series, which on sale goes for more than $100 ... for bare AP!
Aerohive and Meraki are far more expensive, and we of course cannot compare RB w/ROS with something like D-Link / Asus / Tp-Link or any other SOHO crap with unusable software.
3. Mikrotik start to sucks with new models.. Really.
So change a platform, but please - share your alternative with us. Ubnt with it's EXTREMELY buggy and limited software is not an alternative for me. Aerohive is not really into routing and well... I'm not rich enough to buy Csco ;)

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 8:33 am
by G2Dolphin
the image looks like there is a switch or something right behind the USB port - unless that is part of how the enclosure latches together? I'm curious about what that is.
RESET button.
...and exactly how you gonna utilize that memory in router targeted for endusers? If you need more storage for sure even 128MB will not be enough. While you can get decent usb stick smaller than a nail for $5 it's not worth the effort to install more flash onboard.
If there will be no "flash" folder as internal memory and root as RAM-disk, the device will be just unupdatable. Someone is using memory also for repartitioning.
Both cases can't be solved with external-USB, which some users calling an "amazing-possibility-to-buy-a-flash-drive-too-and-install".

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 8:53 am
by kiler129
If there will be no "flash" folder as internal memory and root as RAM-disk, the device will be just unupdatable. Someone is using memory also for repartitioning.
Well, I always updated ROS devices on-the-fly using builtin button - maybe I'm just too lazy to download and upload files to many routers.


I spoke with US distributor about hAP ac. Since USA have a special version hAP will be virtually available within 3 weeks, however in reality it's gonna be available for pickup in 4 weeks. I don't have information about pricing.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 9:03 am
by normis
All uploads and upgrades go into the RAM. You don't need big NAND for uploading and upgrading.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 9:11 am
by JamesB
That data sheet suggests only 225 MHz of spectrum is available in the US on hAP AC.
Does this mean it does not support DFS? Effectively that is one 160 MHz channel at best, yes?

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 10:24 am
by kiler129
Since it's middle of the night in my timezone I didn't counted accurately, but it's gonna be something like 3 channels if you look at the table in Wikipedia.

It also bothers me why US version is permanently restricted without any chance to unlock it. ROS supports DFS - http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=23914. The same applies to hAP ac lite, but not to other 5Ghz products (e.g. RB911G-5HPacD). Even the newer product - RB921UAGS-5SHPacT-NM - is available in one version with such a wide range (4920-6100 MHz) without any restrictions :?

@normis: Could you give us a clue why recent MT products have limited channels support along with special version for US market?
It will be also wonderful to hear at least few words why there was such a massive delay? I know it's an internal information, but MT was always an open company working closely with community. I think it's far better to just say "ok, we made an horrible mistake in our power supply project and we needed to find a solution" rather than staying silent. We are all geeky people - not bunch of standard customers waiting for more megapixels in yet another smartphone with tiny plastic lens ;)

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:45 am
by JanezFord
input voltage is between 11V-57V ... will it also support 802.3af like wAP or just passive PoE ?

JF.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:53 am
by G2Dolphin
All uploads and upgrades go into the RAM. You don't need big NAND for uploading and upgrading.
What about this, Normis? http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php ... 70#p515982
I have something wrong with mine hAP lite?

Sorry for offtopic.
input voltage is between 11V-57V ... will it also support 802.3af like wAP or just passive PoE ?

JF.
Looks like no, only passive one.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 12:02 pm
by normis
What about this, Normis? http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php ... 70#p515982
I have something wrong with mine hAP lite?
Could be something with bad sectors. Try reinstall with Netinstall and then see if upgrade works

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 12:20 pm
by darkmanlv
Hap ac is out :) going to buy 1 today. After sample tests I will write about my opinion.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 1:08 pm
by ka4opi4a
Where did you found it ? And what is the price without vat ?

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 1:26 pm
by deanMKD1
All uploads and upgrades go into the RAM. You don't need big NAND for uploading and upgrading.
How you meen go into RAM ? As i know you need to place a npk file into internal storage and reboot the router to upgrade.

What about issue with upgrading to newer versions, where nand storage is limitation reported somewhere in forum ?

Also why RB951Ui/G-2hND have 128MB Nand, and hAP AC have only 16MB ? Why you back into 2011 year or later ? Looke like older models have better hardwate then new one.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 1:50 pm
by darkmanlv
Where did you found it ? And what is the price without vat ?
router.lv 99 eur without vat :) i called them, they said only receive routers next week...

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 1:54 pm
by normis
All uploads and upgrades go into the RAM. You don't need big NAND for uploading and upgrading.
How you meen go into RAM ? As i know you need to place a npk file into internal storage and reboot the router to upgrade.

What about issue with upgrading to newer versions, where nand storage is limitation reported somewhere in forum ?

Also why RB951Ui/G-2hND have 128MB Nand, and hAP AC have only 16MB ? Why you back into 2011 year or later ? Looke like older models have better hardwate then new one.
Yes, NAND is not used in this process. Upload something with FTP and the file goes to RAM.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 2:19 pm
by macgaiver
All uploads and upgrades go into the RAM. You don't need big NAND for uploading and upgrading.
How you meen go into RAM ? As i know you need to place a npk file into internal storage and reboot the router to upgrade.

What about issue with upgrading to newer versions, where nand storage is limitation reported somewhere in forum ?

Also why RB951Ui/G-2hND have 128MB Nand, and hAP AC have only 16MB ? Why you back into 2011 year or later ? Looke like older models have better hardwate then new one.
On boards that have limited NAND space all your operations happen in RAMDISK, if you need to store something in NAND itself you can access that in /flash directory.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 5:09 pm
by G2Dolphin
Could be something with bad sectors. Try reinstall with Netinstall and then see if upgrade works
Yeah, except I wrote in that post that this is fresh NetInstalled device:) can you advice something else, please?
It's a MUM device, if that counts...

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 6:38 pm
by R1CH
Happy that it's finally here, but I'm a little disappointed to see a 3 year old SOC used, for an AC product it's really late to market. Hopefully now that MT have experience with developing consumer AC devices we can see more powerful products in the future on a faster release cycle as new SOCs are released.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 7:10 pm
by ZeroByte
God, people, this is an access point - an ACCESS POINT.

It doesn't need to run UserMan, the Dude, a web cache, a hotspot, do 500000 lines of firewall rules, layer2 nat on a soft bridge connecting 2000 vlans, and log the payload of every packet to flash, all while computing Pi to infinite precision.

I think everyone on here wants a freaking data center on a chip the size of a grain of sand, costs $4, and uses one milliwatt-hour of power per decade, but has over 400 billion hexaflops of processing power and wifi so strong they could cover an entire metropolitan area with just the one device, buried under two kilometers of solid lead.....

Mikrotik has you all spoiled.

I'm considering buying this unit, and if I do, it's going to be an access point and nothing more. Let the CPU handle the gigabit of bridging down to the atheros chip (ultra-hd streaming to tablets/ wireless clients), and let the chip handle wire-speed forwarding to locally-attached devices. The Internet will remain on my trusty ol' 2011

(drops the microphone on the floor)

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 8:02 pm
by G2Dolphin
Happy that it's finally here, but I'm a little disappointed to see a 3 year old SOC used, for an AC product it's really late to market. Hopefully now that MT have experience with developing consumer AC devices we can see more powerful products in the future on a faster release cycle as new SOCs are released.
Yeah, I hoped that the delay is because of SoC changing to new ones released...

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:17 pm
by brwainer
Since it's middle of the night in my timezone I didn't counted accurately, but it's gonna be something like 3 channels if you look at the table in Wikipedia.

It also bothers me why US version is permanently restricted without any chance to unlock it. ROS supports DFS - http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=23914. The same applies to hAP ac lite, but not to other 5Ghz products (e.g. RB911G-5HPacD). Even the newer product - RB921UAGS-5SHPacT-NM - is available in one version with such a wide range (4920-6100 MHz) without any restrictions :?

@normis: Could you give us a clue why recent MT products have limited channels support along with special version for US market?
It will be also wonderful to hear at least few words why there was such a massive delay? I know it's an internal information, but MT was always an open company working closely with community. I think it's far better to just say "ok, we made an horrible mistake in our power supply project and we needed to find a solution" rather than staying silent. We are all geeky people - not bunch of standard customers waiting for more megapixels in yet another smartphone with tiny plastic lens ;)
This is based on FCC regulations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-NII nothing Mikrotik can do about that one. You *can* make a device that uses more than just U-NII-1 and U-NII-3, but due to having different power limits at the middle frequencies it is likely more difficult. maybe this is why we saw such a delay in release, and reportedly no documentation filed with the FCC as of one post above.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 8:05 am
by G2Dolphin
God, people, this is an access point - an ACCESS POINT.
Access point doesn't need FIVE gigabit ports, 128MB of RAM, SFP ports and a PoE-Out in most cases.
cAP is an access point. mAP lite is an access point, and even SXT HG5 ac is a better AP.
If "hAP ac" have "AP" in the model name, it doesn't making it an AP and only (same for all "hAP" devices). It's a direct replacement for 951, if you haven't got it by yourself. I hope you won't call a 951 AP too, because... it have the same processor as your 2011, woah. (Spoiler: hAP ac will have even more powerful CPU)

Using it JUST as an AP is a waste of power.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 8:35 am
by normis
Why so? I have the hAP ac at home as my access point. In our country, we get speeds 100-500Mbit at home, so even just for an AP you need power. I also have a few devices with no WiFi, so the extra ports help.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 8:43 am
by G2Dolphin
Why so? I have the hAP ac at home as my access point. In our country, we get speeds 100-500Mbit at home, so even just for an AP you need power. I also have a few devices with no WiFi, so the extra ports help.
My idea is using hAP ac just as AP is overkill. I count it as a dual-band router. WAN coming to some port, other ones serving Ethernet devices, good WiFi part is helping many portable devices anyone in 2016 holds to get a fast Internet, and a powerful CPU is capable to serve routing and firewall filtering. It's better not to lay it all on a single device in complicated setups, yes... but it's a "home Access Point", huh.
And by Access Point is meant NAT too, in most home setups.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 1:31 pm
by xavierbt
Why so? I have the hAP ac at home as my access point. In our country, we get speeds 100-500Mbit at home, so even just for an AP you need power. I also have a few devices with no WiFi, so the extra ports help.

I agree, hAP ac will be a great AP for use in home, SOHO and small office branches !

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 1:59 pm
by patrikg
Yes Nat... and how about the speed of that ??
Another router manufactures do this with hardware chip.
Is the cpu and memory fast enough.

In the spec page of another Microtik routers there are "Performance test results" at the end of spec page.
Let's hope if this router to be the new SOHO(Small office/Home Office) router.
Mikrotik make some test of preformance of nat over ethernet.
Not wifi because of unstable speed.
And publish that on the spec page.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 7:18 pm
by ZeroByte
but it's a "home Access Point", huh.
And by Access Point is meant NAT too, in most home setups.
And it's got enough juice to run a basic home wireless router setup - lan bridge with dhcp, a basic "allow outbound, block inbound" firewall, and some dns proxy - it can handle all of that. Yes, it runs ROS, and yes, ROS has a gajillion cool features to it, but expecting an all-in-one box that is actually powerful enough to do EVERYTHING at the same time, and expecting it for SOHO prices isn't reasonable. It's an access point that has enough features available to it that you can do a couple of extra things with it to get everything 'just right' in a basic sense.

As Normis pointed out - cpu bridging at gigabit-class speeds from wireless to wired world is going to take some horsepower to accomplish, which is why the box has the specs it has. And as Normis also pointed out, there are 5 ethernet ports because there may be hard-wired devices that need to be added to the network at layer2 - which is exactly my situation - whole home DVR and Plex boxes are going to be my gigabit wired devices, and they're going to be in the room where I would place the hAP AC. The router's going to be in the HVAC closet with the cable modem. The hAP ac is perfect for what I want to do with it - extend my LAN to other parts of the house. I neither want nor need the first layer3 feature (other than the obvious management access). I need a switch+wifi box, and this is perfect... that's its direct purpose. All the other features are available because it's ROS, but I wouldn't consider this as an everything-in-one wonderbox beyond a basic level.

I know my 2011 isn't a speed demon, but honestly, I have only 50Mbps internet connection and if I actually try to use even that, the ISP bills for usage now, so I don't need blazing speeds on the router itself. If I were lucky enough to have Google fiber, or some other decent high-speed ISP, I'd go snag a 3011 or maybe a 850G to be my router/capsman device, but the hAP AC would still just be a layer2-only device.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 9:59 pm
by IPANetEngineer
Why so? I have the hAP ac at home as my access point. In our country, we get speeds 100-500Mbit at home, so even just for an AP you need power. I also have a few devices with no WiFi, so the extra ports help.
500 Mbps at home?? That's it, I'm moving to Riga, Latvia!! :D

We are starting to see speeds like that here in the US with Google Fiber and other players, but most of us have 50 Mbps or under.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 10:39 pm
by grusu
Why so? I have the hAP ac at home as my access point. In our country, we get speeds 100-500Mbit at home, so even just for an AP you need power. I also have a few devices with no WiFi, so the extra ports help.
500 Mbps at home?? That's it, I'm moving to Riga, Latvia!! :D

We are starting to see speeds like that here in the US with Google Fiber and other players, but most of us have 50 Mbps or under.
I have 1000Mbit download and 200Mbit upload for about 10$ through optical fiber at home in Romania.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 12:04 am
by ronniee
it is good that finally was released hAP ac, the 700MHz cpu will not route 1Gbit, with fast track/path NAT
maybe the RB3011ac wireless version with dual core 1GHz CPU will be OK, but for 50USD more than hAP ac? isn’t to much?

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 1:07 am
by kiler129
I've got reply from official US distributor. Standard price will be $106/unit.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 2:24 am
by ayufan
Aerohive and Meraki are far more expensive, and we of course cannot compare RB w/ROS with something like D-Link / Asus / Tp-Link or any other SOHO crap with unusable software.
Why? I use TP-Link Archer C7 v2.0 https://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tl-wdr7500. I'm disappointed. I expected for hAP ac to be more powerful. It has the same specs as my year-old TP-Link, and TP-Link with OpenWrt works great.

The price is high, but it looks like that we do pay extra for RouterOS.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 3:57 am
by deanMKD1
Aerohive and Meraki are far more expensive, and we of course cannot compare RB w/ROS with something like D-Link / Asus / Tp-Link or any other SOHO crap with unusable software.
Why? I use TP-Link Archer C7 v2.0 https://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tl-wdr7500. I'm disappointed. I expected for hAP ac to be more powerful. It has the same specs as my year-old TP-Link, and TP-Link with OpenWrt works great.

The price is high, but it looks like that we do pay extra for RouterOS.
Yes hardware spec. is very similar (instead one more USB 2.0 porn in Archer), but difference is in RoS system. Currently i use Tp-Link with Gargoyle 1.9.X Beta Build, and works OK, but somethimes, have a glitches, wifi disapear, etc.. Also OpenWRT release one build per year, so if any bugs are occured OpenWRT team dont patch inmediatly. RoS have standard a new RoS build every month or less, where provide bugs fixes, and also promote new features.

Also RoS and OpenWRT like systems are very different, RoS is system made to be used in serious scenarios, like IT networking companies, providers, etc, and OpenWRT derivates, are intended to be used in SOHO Environment , and home users like you for ex. That is maid difference.

About price yes Archer is ~$100 and hAP AC will be $99 without VAT. So prices are very similar + you get great RoS system. :D

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 4:38 am
by chechito
Aerohive and Meraki are far more expensive, and we of course cannot compare RB w/ROS with something like D-Link / Asus / Tp-Link or any other SOHO crap with unusable software.
Why? I use TP-Link Archer C7 v2.0 https://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tl-wdr7500. I'm disappointed. I expected for hAP ac to be more powerful. It has the same specs as my year-old TP-Link, and TP-Link with OpenWrt works great.

The price is high, but it looks like that we do pay extra for RouterOS.

then just go for tp-link

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 6:06 am
by cpliu903
I've got reply from official US distributor. Standard price will be $106/unit.

Oh no !! I's too expensive for that spec.
Please remove feature POE and SFP for reduce cost. Home user no need POE and SFP.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 7:43 am
by JamesB
I was looking to get this as a replacement for three RB951Gs in our office. I was a little surprised some of the specs are *less*, but I think it will work well.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 8:33 am
by chechito
I've got reply from official US distributor. Standard price will be $106/unit.

Oh no !! I's too expensive for that spec.
Please remove feature POE and SFP for reduce cost. Home user no need POE and SFP.

maybe a cAP version only with one ethernet can be a good idea, but then some people may request a version with 2 ethernet...

never ending story

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 9:59 am
by honzam
I've got reply from official US distributor. Standard price will be $106/unit.

Oh no !! I's too expensive for that spec.
Please remove feature POE and SFP for reduce cost. Home user no need POE and SFP.

maybe a cAP version only with one ethernet can be a good idea,
Yes, cAP AC is required :) One ethernet is enough

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 12:04 pm
by ayufan
then just go for tp-link
I got one, and I got a couple of Routerboards too. I can just argue that for SOHO OpenWrt is simply better, and extra RouterOS (like broken OpenVPN) features doesn't justify buying this device at this price.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 12:08 pm
by darkmanlv
Why so? I have the hAP ac at home as my access point. In our country, we get speeds 100-500Mbit at home, so even just for an AP you need power. I also have a few devices with no WiFi, so the extra ports help.
yep, in Latvia at homes we get more than 100 mbit connections, so good quality gigabit router is needed. Now i`m on 951G-2HnD, but will be changing next week to hap AC.

I have many cable devices: media player, synology nas, PC, smart TV. For wifi: 3 phones, raspberry pi, 2 notebooks. With mikrotik i got 800-900 mbit/s from NAS to PC :)

Tested with gigabit TP-LINK and ASUS, no more then 400-500 mbit. And wifi is slower. 200 mbit/s with mikrotik for wifi @ 2.4 ghz is good enough :)

PS: 4 years on ROS, before was on openwrt,dd-wrt... stability is like heaven and earth. ROS is much better for SOHO.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 3:10 pm
by kenyloveg
For my personal choice only, I would pick up a SOHO router from ASUS AC-68U/Netgear R7000/RouterBoard with high power AC protocol. Serving a 200 Mbps EPON in China...

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 5:17 pm
by deanMKD1
http://www.cdr.pl/p5001,mikrotik-router ... ap-ac.html

"Available from 15th February!"

Тhey changed stock date or ? I read somewhere that will be in stock on 9th Feb.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 9:31 pm
by kbuska
Is the HAP AC (non lite) available in the US yet?

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 11:10 pm
by kiler129
Is the HAP AC (non lite) available in the US yet?
Nope, it will be available from MT in 3 weeks (+ one week for shipment from Lativa to USA).

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 9:41 pm
by anuser
In my opinion the HAP AC is a great device for campus installation. If it scales well, I could replace my current wifi devices for roughly 40000€. This would be a real bargain.

+ PoE
+ SFP
+ dual band
+ ~CAPWAP tunnel with central CAPSMAN manager

Yes it doesn´t have a 802.11ac wave 2 chipset. But someday there will be a "WAP AC2". Only time will tell.
Do we need a "CAP AC". Well, it depends. I can also buy a RF elements Stationbox and here it is.

I´m happy to have an HAP AC for now and if I can figure out how to get a dynamic VLAN assignment running with the CAPWAP tunnel forwarding, I start rolling it out for my first students. Keep up the good work MikroTik Team!

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 10:49 am
by ka4opi4a
Is the HAP AC (non lite) available in the US yet?
Nope, it will be available from MT in 3 weeks (+ one week for shipment from Lativa to USA).
Where did you find that info ? I ask the dealers here in Bulgaria and nobody knows anything about HAP AC....

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 2:06 pm
by kamillo
It looks like HAP AC will be available in UK around 26/02

https://linitx.com/product/mikrotik-rou ... -psu/14663

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 6:03 pm
by R1CH
Why so? I have the hAP ac at home as my access point. In our country, we get speeds 100-500Mbit at home, so even just for an AP you need power. I also have a few devices with no WiFi, so the extra ports help.
500mbps is fairly standard, but I doubt hAP AC can handle this speed beyond basic NAT. Try adding some firewall rules and packet tagging / queues for QoS and the CPU will quickly become a bottleneck. For reference my RB951G-2HnD maxes out at just under 200mbps.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 11:23 pm
by kiler129
(...)it will be available from MT in 3 weeks (+ one week for shipment from Lativa to USA).
Where did you find that info ?
I got this information from Baltic Networks in Chicago - http://www.balticnetworks.com. I contacted them via e-mail.

Edit:
I've got new information from them:
We just received these, the order can be placed through our website and you can choose will call – pickup as the option so your order is ready when you arrive.
Unfortunately I wasn't able to locate the product on their website.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 1:08 pm
by janisk

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 1:37 pm
by ka4opi4a
Finally !!!

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 2:58 pm
by G2Dolphin
Hehe, even MikroTik themselfs posted a link. %)
$129 is quite high though... even hEX as a router is cheaper and more powerful (BTW, why? They have the same CPU, aren't they?).

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 3:03 pm
by florentrivoire
This is good news :D

Just one request : could you add the "Block diagram" for new products like this one please ?
(cf: the diagram available for http://routerboard.com/RB951G-2HnD for example)

This diagram can especially (but not only) be usefull to understand how the SFP is connected to the CPU.
Thanks !

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 3:03 pm
by anne2015
I love the routers from Mikrotic, but its could be better on terms of its durability

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 3:07 pm
by Valerio5000
USB is 3.0 or 2.0 ?

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 3:29 pm
by chechito
Hehe, even MikroTik themselfs posted a link. %)
$129 is quite high though... even hEX as a router is cheaper and more powerful (BTW, why? They have the same CPU, aren't they?).
maybe is something related to the dual 3x3 radio included :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 5:57 pm
by wojtekCDR
http://www.cdr.pl/p5001,mikrotik-router ... ap-ac.html

"Available from 15th February!"

Тhey changed stock date or ? I read somewhere that will be in stock on 9th Feb.
Goods for us are prepared. We will pick up tomorrow and receive on 11/12.

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 5:59 pm
by jarda
Deleted. Not relevant....

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 6:02 pm
by florentrivoire
Just one request : could you add the "Block diagram" for new products like this one please ?
(cf: the diagram available for http://routerboard.com/RB951G-2HnD for example)

This diagram can especially (but not only) be usefull to understand how the SFP is connected to the CPU.
Thanks !
I see that the diagram has been added since my request.
Thanks !!

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 6:18 pm
by spippan
SORRY ... quick shot...
just saw it in the table!!!
Wireless standards 802.11a/n/ac
all good ;)
the website says...
The hAP ac is our most universal home or office wireless device. It is a dual band device with Gigabit ports that allow the full advantages of 802.11ac technology speed, while maintaining compatibility with legacy devices in 2GHz 802.11 b/g/n and 5GHz a/n modes.
so ... ment are ... 5GHz a/n/ac ... or am i mistaking something here....?
because on my GrooveA 52 i also have 5GHz a/n but no ac.....

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 6:45 pm
by jarda
It has two independent radios. One with 3x3 ac.
Unlike your GrooveA.

Re:

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 7:01 pm
by spippan
It has two independent radios. One with 3x3 ac.
Unlike your GrooveA.
yep ;) my bad ... but GrooveA has top coverage ;)

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 7:20 pm
by jarda
Coverage? How do you define that?

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 7:54 pm
by jadu
The hAP ac will support 866Mbps or it will support 1.3Gbps? If the max stream wide will be 80Mhz we'll have 1300Mbps wich is great for me :D
Does RouterOS support 160Mhz channels in the future? :D

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 8:05 pm
by nkourtzis
Am I reading it correctly? 16MB storage ONLY? So... no partitions and a problematic upgrade process? Is this possible?

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 9:07 pm
by ZeroByte
so ... ment are ... 5GHz a/n/ac ... or am i mistaking something here....?
because on my GrooveA 52 i also have 5GHz a/n but no ac.....
According to the product flier, it's 5Ghz a/n/ac, and 2Ghz b/g/n (no ac on 2ghz)

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 9:48 pm
by mavink
Am I reading it correctly? 16MB storage ONLY? So... no partitions and a problematic upgrade process? Is this possible?
This is the same as the HAP Lite; the upgrade file is loaded in RAM. I've never had a problem upgrading those, but it would have been nice to have enough storage for two partitions.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 11:00 pm
by 666blade666
Please answer on my question. What about wifi speed between iPad Pro and MikroTik HAP AC? Can I get 100 mb/per sec? 8)

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 11:01 pm
by lambert
SORRY ... quick shot...
just saw it in the table!!!
Wireless standards 802.11a/n/ac
all good ;)
the website says...
The hAP ac is our most universal home or office wireless device. It is a dual band device with Gigabit ports that allow the full advantages of 802.11ac technology speed, while maintaining compatibility with legacy devices in 2GHz 802.11 b/g/n and 5GHz a/n modes.
so ... ment are ... 5GHz a/n/ac ... or am i mistaking something here....?
because on my GrooveA 52 i also have 5GHz a/n but no ac.....
That sentence says, a) this is an 802.11ac device and b) it is backward compatible with b/g/n and a/n devices.

If that's not what you were asking, I apologize.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 1:49 am
by DmitryAVET
- hAP ac use QCA9558
- hEX use QCA9556

hEX is more faster, why? And only 16 Mb flash is joke?

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 2:57 am
by brwainer

I got this information from Baltic Networks in Chicago - http://www.balticnetworks.com. I contacted them via e-mail.

Edit:
I've got new information from them:
We just received these, the order can be placed through our website and you can choose will call – pickup as the option so your order is ready when you arrive.
Unfortunately I wasn't able to locate the product on their website.
Agreed I can't find it on their website either - please post here as soon as you are able to get an order placed somewhere in the US!

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 8:21 am
by ronniee
In the block diagram of hAP http://i.mt.lv/routerboard/files/RB962U ... 165822.png
I’m disappointed with Eth1-Eth5 gigabit switch chip - cpu 1Gb connection.
And the SFP has separately 1Gb cpu connection.

I think at home, few have SFP connection possibility, and 90% will use with utp cable(Ether1) as uplink WAN port.
In this case all traffic(WAN+LAN) will use the 1Gb link with CPU, so max traffic can be 500+500 theoretically.

Why the SFP+Eth1 not have a dedicated 1Gb connection with CPU?
Something like in RB850Gx2 block diagram http://i.mt.lv/routerboard/files/RB850G ... 133216.png

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 10:15 am
by mrz
You can always use
Image

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 12:57 pm
by VK2XXY

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 2:25 pm
by kobuki
I'm glad it appeared finally. I have the AC Lite and it's fine so far, I'll probably replace an older TP-Link dualband as soon as I can get hold of a HAP AC, for testing.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 3:06 pm
by ronniee
You can always use
RJ45 SFP 10/100/1000M copper module
Yes, it is an option, but increase the price with ~20%.
Will be interesting a comparative test between Ether1=WAN and SFP/RJ45=WAN routing performance.
Maybe it increase the speed more than 30-40%, if the CPU can handle.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 3:51 pm
by macgaiver
RB962UiGS-5HacT2HnT

What! That name is like a joke :) Almost as good as random generated passwords.
.
Just in case someone is not aware of this -

http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Product_Naming

RB962UiGS-5HacT2HnT

RouterBoard lineup, 900 Series with 6 wired interfaces and 2 wireless interfaces, with USB, power Injector, Gigabit Ethernets and SFP port, combined with 5GHz, High Gain, 802.11ac, Triple chain wireless and and 2.4GHz, High Gain, 802.11n, Triple chain wireless.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 3:51 pm
by ste
In the block diagram of hAP http://i.mt.lv/routerboard/files/RB962U ... 165822.png
I’m disappointed with Eth1-Eth5 gigabit switch chip - cpu 1Gb connection.
And the SFP has separately 1Gb cpu connection.

I think at home, few have SFP connection possibility, and 90% will use with utp cable(Ether1) as uplink WAN port.
In this case all traffic(WAN+LAN) will use the 1Gb link with CPU, so max traffic can be 500+500 theoretically.

Why the SFP+Eth1 not have a dedicated 1Gb connection with CPU?
Something like in RB850Gx2 block diagram http://i.mt.lv/routerboard/files/RB850G ... 133216.png
You'll most likely need a fiber connection to get speeds beyond 500M to your home. So a SFP is what is needed anyhow.
Switched traffic within your home can go 1GBit/s through the builtin switch without bogging the cpu. So where is the
application?

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 6:42 am
by cpliu903
http://routerboard.com/RB962UiGS-5HacT2HnT

$129 USD. Too expensive!

In this price range, we have so many choice for other brand model such as Asus, Netgear.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 7:20 am
by kiler129
Agreed I can't find it on their website either - please post here as soon as you are able to get an order placed somewhere in the US!
Unfortunately my happiness was premature since they replied that given e-mail was mistake because they marked it for RB3011 availability. So, we have to wait these 3 weeks.
we have so many choice for other brand model such as Asus, Netgear.
You gotta be kidding, right? Comparing ROS to stock firmware of SOHO routers or even DD-WRT is like comparing bicycle to motorcycle - both rides, both ends with "cycle" but...

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:30 am
by cpliu903
we have so many choice for other brand model such as Asus, Netgear.
You gotta be kidding, right? Comparing ROS to stock firmware of SOHO routers or even DD-WRT is like comparing bicycle to motorcycle - both rides, both ends with "cycle" but...[/quote]

ROS have more features but is not equals high performance for Hap AC!
Who can provide result of performance testing?

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 12:34 pm
by G2Dolphin
Who can provide result of performance testing?
http://routerboard.com can.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 3:11 pm
by FiX
I'm sorry for the dumb question but I've never used MikroTik products before.
Is there a way to use 1st port on the LAN side to power the router over PoE? Are these (1 to 5) ports interchangable?

Thanks.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 3:13 pm
by G2Dolphin
I'm sorry for the dumb question but I've never used MikroTik products before.
Is there a way to use 1st port on the LAN side to power the router over PoE?

Thanks.
Yes, just add it to your LAN bridge. Or, if using chip switching, use master-port.
I'm using this in 2011UiAS. LAN device powering router too, and WAN on the second port.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 3:28 pm
by sergejs
kobuki product is called hAP AC (the same name as topic). I think it is easy name to remember.

RB962UiGS-5HacT2HnT is product code, and it collects all information you need to know about ports and features (if you like).

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 9:44 am
by nkourtzis
It is obvious, that this is not the product we were hoping for. Much smaller flash than RB951 (no partitions), not that potent CPU, 1Gb CPU-Switch Interface. I think I will stick with my beloved workhorse RB951G (able to hold 3 partitions with different configs/routeros versions) and wait for something based on a newer chip such as IPQ40x9.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 10:01 am
by sergejs
nkourtzis, I'm not a fan of partitions at least on small routers, perhaps multiple partitions are the vital thing for SOHO device (or maybe not).
Though I leave partitions for border devices, and now I'm enjoying enormous speed on unoccupied 5GHz band at home.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 10:58 am
by nkourtzis
nkourtzis, I'm not a fan of partitions at least on small routers, perhaps multiple partitions are the vital thing for SOHO device (or maybe not).
Though I leave partitions for border devices, and now I'm enjoying enormous speed on unoccupied 5GHz band at home.
I could maybe live with no partitions, but 16MB? This leaves no space for even a metarouter instance! C'mon guys, would even 32MB be such a problem? Flash is so cheap these days, for me no Mikrotik device should be produced with less than 32MB, except maybe the mAPs. Or maybe include a SD card slot, to extend the internal storage for whoever needs to do this.

As for the CPU, when you introduce a device capable of 800+Mbps aggregate WiFi TCP bandwidth, it should be capable of routing all this speed while applying a few queues/rules. You have a dual-core board and there is also IPQ40, why not use these?

RB951 was above the simple home device, a true swiss army knife in a very versatile home factor. HAP AC appears to be solely a home or a very-SOHO device, but not able to do much beyond this.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 11:19 am
by sergejs
metaROUTER is another thing that is very questionable on SOHO routers.

In our tests hAP ac is doing very well and it has almost double throughput for even for 951G, you are reffering,
http://routerboard.com/RB962UiGS-5HacT2HnT

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 1:45 pm
by spippan
Please answer on my question. What about wifi speed between iPad Pro and MikroTik HAP AC? Can I get 100 mb/per sec? 8)
depends!

...on SNR, on site influences, distance, signal quality ...
per definition of 802.11ac on 5GHz it is possible....

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 1:46 pm
by spippan
so ... ment are ... 5GHz a/n/ac ... or am i mistaking something here....?
because on my GrooveA 52 i also have 5GHz a/n but no ac.....
According to the product flier, it's 5Ghz a/n/ac, and 2Ghz b/g/n (no ac on 2ghz)
yes as i corrected my post in the edit ;)

of course there's no 802.11ac on 2.4GHz

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 1:48 pm
by spippan
SORRY ... quick shot...
just saw it in the table!!!
Wireless standards 802.11a/n/ac
all good ;)
the website says...
The hAP ac is our most universal home or office wireless device. It is a dual band device with Gigabit ports that allow the full advantages of 802.11ac technology speed, while maintaining compatibility with legacy devices in 2GHz 802.11 b/g/n and 5GHz a/n modes.
so ... ment are ... 5GHz a/n/ac ... or am i mistaking something here....?
because on my GrooveA 52 i also have 5GHz a/n but no ac.....
That sentence says, a) this is an 802.11ac device and b) it is backward compatible with b/g/n and a/n devices.

If that's not what you were asking, I apologize.

haha yeah, as edited, i misread that sentence a little and i was too fast in posting. thx again

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 2:32 pm
by ka4opi4a
I think you can always extend the memory with usb port. Correct ?

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 3:38 pm
by jarda
I think you can always extend the memory with usb port. Correct ?
Not so much correct.

USB drive cannot be used as ram (aka "memory"). It cannot be used as extension of primary flash drive for installing the software, nor just for package store before installation. Cannot be used as booting partition for ros. But can be used as general file storage, logging area or http proxy storage.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 6:43 pm
by danxx26
I just received RB952Ui-5ac2nD or HAP AC lite. Hoping that someone else may have attempted to use this in CAP mode and may have a work around for my issue. I am only able to see one radio on the 2.4Ghz band, when I follow the steps to create a second config for the 5Ghz band all I get is a VirtualAP?

Flags: X - disabled, R - running
0 X ;;; managed by CAPsMAN
;;; channel: 2427/20-Ce/gn(30dBm), SSID: wifisec_cap, CAPsMAN forwarding
name="wlan1" mtu=1500 mac-address=E4:8D:8C:D4:B7:3B arp=enabled
interface-type=Atheros AR9300 mode=ap-bridge ssid="MikroTik-D4B73B"
frequency=auto band=2ghz-b/g/n channel-width=20/40mhz-Ce
scan-list=default wireless-protocol=802.11 vlan-mode=no-tag vlan-id=1
wds-mode=disabled wds-default-bridge=none wds-ignore-ssid=no
bridge-mode=enabled default-authentication=yes default-forwarding=yes
default-ap-tx-limit=0 default-client-tx-limit=0 hide-ssid=no
security-profile=default compression=no

1 X ;;; managed by CAPsMAN
;;; SSID: wifisec_cap5G, CAPsMAN forwarding
name="wlan18" mtu=1500 mac-address=E4:8D:8C:D4:B7:3B arp=enabled
interface-type=virtual-AP master-interface=wlan1

any suggestions are greatly appreciated!

Thank you.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 7:28 pm
by G2Dolphin
any suggestions are greatly appreciated!
Check you have wireless-cm2 activated in System - Packages.
And yes, this is hAP ac topic, it's an another device.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 9:28 pm
by kobuki
kobuki product is called hAP AC (the same name as topic). I think it is easy name to remember.

RB962UiGS-5HacT2HnT is product code, and it collects all information you need to know about ports and features (if you like).
Thanks -- however the post where I noted that it was meant to be a joke and I made clear I know the marketing name too, has been removed by a mod without prior notice. (I guess as a forum mod you can backtrack that if you want.)

I apologise if it was so easily misunderstood and almost no one felt the slight irony and playfulness. I can assure you that after using various (mostly smaller) Mikrotik devices for like 5-6 years I know your naming scheme.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:11 am
by danxx26
any suggestions are greatly appreciated!
Check you have wireless-cm2 activated in System - Packages.
And yes, this is hAP ac topic, it's an another device.
Thank you G2Dolphin!! I had the cm2 package on the CaPSMan but not on the Cap. Once I made the change I rebooted. I also had to remove the remote cap and a few minutes later it came back with both radios!!

Thanks again!!

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 8:56 pm
by honzam
Inside photo of hAP AC from cdr

AW: Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 9:03 pm
by barkas
metaROUTER is another thing that is very questionable on SOHO routers.
Is it? Mikrotik Routers are the Swiss army knives of networking, so little flash seriously cramps my style.
I will not buy any mikrotik device with 16mb flash, either privately or professionally.
Because of that at work we are buying up rb750gl stocks...

It's ridiculous, this decision cannot possibly be worth the money you save by it.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 9:10 pm
by Siona
Inside photo of hAP AC from cdr
Can we get better quality pic? I can see only 2 antennas on board. Do we have mmcx connectors there? Not sure... Pic quality is to low.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 9:22 pm
by honzam
It is original resolution. I see six antennas

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 11:32 pm
by tmcnulty1982
This might be a silly question, but is it possible to use this device as a combination Router and Access Point? Or do I need to buy a hEX too?

I don't see anything about it in the docs, but there are performance test results at the bottom of the product info page that suggest a "Routing" mode is possible:

http://routerboard.com/RB962UiGS-5HacT2HnT

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 11:42 pm
by InoX
Like any other mikrotik you can set one radio in bridge with lan port and one in router mode. No big deal.

HAP AC

Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 11:43 pm
by jarda
It is router. And it has wifi interfaces and license higher than level 3 so yes, it is possible with no doubts.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 11:45 pm
by tmcnulty1982
Like any other mikrotik you can set one radio in bridge with lan port and one in router mode. No big deal.
The same for the ethernet ports I assume? So both radios will bridge with LAN but one ethernet port will serve as WAN? Like a standard SOHO "wireless router"..

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 11:45 pm
by tmcnulty1982
It is router. And it has wifi interfaces and license higher than level 3 so yes, it is possible with no doubts.
Great thanks!

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 11:46 pm
by InoX
You can bridge ports and radios in any configuration you want. Also any port/radio can acts like one or multiple wan's.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 11:47 pm
by ka4opi4a
What exactly do you mean ? This is normal dual band wifi AC router.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 11:49 pm
by InoX
normal dual band wifi AC router.
No mikrotik router is that. It is much more.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2016 12:11 am
by honzam
From manual:
Third chain of each band can have the antenna changed to a different one, there are two uFL connectors
inside the case, each has a small antenna connected. You can unplug these antennas, and change the
third chain to your own antenna. In most situations this is not required, so the connector is not easily
accessible or marked

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2016 12:39 am
by Quindor
I'm really hoping to see wireless performance tests with the 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz AC when someone gets their hands on it! Really interested to see how well it performs and what kind of CPU load you would see when say pushing 600Mbps through the 5Ghz wireless!

Using CAPsMAN these could be a worthy competitor for the UAP-AC-PRO. Using an RF Elements Stationbox for aesthetics when hanging off a ceiling, the only thing the UAP-AC-PRO has going for it is it's 802.3at/af comparability. The hAP AC is a bit cheaper though, although needing a station box negates that a bit. :(

So in the end, very interested to see if it does well using AC. Currently the UAP-AC-PRO is lacking a bit in performance because of the software Ubiquiti has running on it, they recently released a performance "alpha" version for it which raised it from 400~450Mbps to ~500Mbps but still not above that when using a 3x3 client or multiple clients. And when using guest functionality currently it limits all your SSID's to max 150Mbps! So that's a no-go all together.

Oh, the UAP-AC-PRO also supports bandsteering. Does anyone know if Mikrotik will create something like bandsteering in CAPsMAN? It could prevent a lot of headaches!

So people who get it, do some tests and post screenshots! :D

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2016 10:24 pm
by ayufan
Yeah. I would like to see the wireless performance :) I know how it works on Archer C7 (the same HW) with OpenWrt. It's interesting to see how it works on MikroTik.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 12:51 am
by alber
My fast test result: http://take.ms/fAhKw
For test was used nas qnap-ts210 connected to lan (1 Gbit) and macbook pro 15" 2015 802.11ac (connection speed 867 - 1300 Mbits/s)
Traffic was generated with iperf

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 1:28 am
by Quindor
My fast test result: http://take.ms/fAhKw
For test was used nas qnap-ts210 connected to lan (1 Gbit) and macbook pro 15" 2015 802.11ac (connection speed 867 - 1300 Mbits/s)
Traffic was generated with iperf
Thnx!

Ok, dat looks ok, not great, but ok. Judging from your comment that it would connect at 1300Mbit your Macbook is a 3x3 AC version?


If you would be willing:
  • Did you happen to note what the CPU usage on the router was?
    How was it configured? As an Access-Point, CAPsMAN, routed/bridged?
    What where the conditions? (How far away, LineofSight or walls, etc.?)
    What blocksize did you use in iperf? Could you test with 1MB blocks (Both on server and client)?
    Could you also try using 4 and 8 parralel connections in iperf to see what difference that makes?

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 1:17 pm
by alber
Ok, dat looks ok, not great, but ok. Judging from your comment that it would connect at 1300Mbit your Macbook is a 3x3 AC version?
Yes. It has BCM943602 chip with 3 streams for 2.4 and 5 networks
Did you happen to note what the CPU usage on the router was?
90 - 95 %
How was it configured? As an Access-Point, CAPsMAN, routed/bridged?
/interface wireless
set [ find default-name=wlan1 ] band=2ghz-onlyn channel-width=20/40mhz-Ce \
    country=poland disabled=no distance=indoors hw-protection-mode=rts-cts \
    hw-retries=15 mode=ap-bridge radio-name="" ssid=Home wireless-protocol=\
    802.11 wmm-support=enabled wps-mode=disabled
set [ find default-name=wlan2 ] band=5ghz-a/n/ac channel-width=\
    20/40/80mhz-Ceee country=poland disabled=no distance=indoors \
    hw-protection-mode=rts-cts mode=ap-bridge radio-name="" ssid=Home5 \
    wireless-protocol=802.11 wmm-support=enabled wps-mode=disabled
set wlan1 discover=no
/interface wireless nstreme
set wlan1 enable-polling=no
set wlan2 enable-polling=no
/interface wireless security-profiles
set [ find default=yes ] authentication-types=wpa2-psk mode=dynamic-keys \
    supplicant-identity=MikroTik wpa-pre-shared-key=********** \
    wpa2-pre-shared-key=**********
/interface bridge port
add bridge=bridge-local interface=ether2-master-local
add bridge=bridge-local interface=wlan1
add bridge=bridge-local interface=wlan2
What where the conditions? (How far away, LineofSight or walls, etc.?)
Near 3m, line of sight. Distance near 10m with one wall - connection speed 500 - 800 Mbps. In my case, coverage similar to 2.4 network with 4 - 5 neighbors
What blocksize did you use in iperf? Could you test with 1MB blocks (Both on server and client)?
Could you also try using 4 and 8 parralel connections in iperf to see what difference that makes?
Was used default settings.
You can prvovide iperf command with intresting for you params, I will do these tests

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 9:44 pm
by Quindor
You can prvovide iperf command with intresting for you params, I will do these tests
@alber you are awesome! Thank you very much for all your answers! :D

I always use iperf2 from https://iperf.fr/iperf-download.php, if you want you can use iperf3 too but the command line switches are a bit different.

If you are using iperf (2) then use the following settings please:
server: "iperf -s -w 1MB"

1 Channel
client: "iperf -c xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx -w 1MB -R -P 1 -t 30"

4 Channels
client: "iperf -c xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx -w 1MB -R -P 4 -t 30"

16 Channels
client: "iperf -c xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx -w 1MB -R -P 16 -t 30"


A second set (if you are willing):
server: "iperf -s -w 64KB"

1 Channel
client: "iperf -c xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx -w 64KB -R -P 1 -t 30"

4 Channels
client: "iperf -c xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx -w 64KB -R -P 4 -t 30"

16 Channels
client: "iperf -c xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx -w 64KB -R -P 16 -t 30"

That should give us a good overview of total bandwidth attainable using one stream and multiple streams both using large block sizes and small.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 11:30 am
by alber
That should give us a good overview of total bandwidth attainable using one stream and multiple streams both using large block sizes and small.
My NAS can't use tcp window size greater then 320KB and for test with 16 connection some connections return - write2 failed: Connection reset by peer. Cpu load 90 - 95 %


System default settings

1. Mac client (129 KByte (default)), NAS server
iperf -c qnap -t 30 -P 1 && iperf -c qnap -t 30 -P 4 && iperf -c qnap -t 30 -P 16; iperf -s

------------------------------------------------------------
Server listening on TCP port 5001
TCP window size: 85.3 KByte (default)
------------------------------------------------------------
[ 4] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51509
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 4] 0.0-30.0 sec 1.65 GBytes 473 Mbits/sec
[ 5] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51510
[ 6] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51512
[ 4] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51511
[ 7] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51513
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 6] 0.0-30.0 sec 411 MBytes 115 Mbits/sec
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 4] 0.0-30.0 sec 414 MBytes 116 Mbits/sec
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 7] 0.0-30.0 sec 414 MBytes 116 Mbits/sec
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 5] 0.0-30.0 sec 418 MBytes 117 Mbits/sec
[SUM] 0.0-30.0 sec 1.62 GBytes 463 Mbits/sec
[ 5] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51516
[ 4] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51515
[ 13] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51523
[ 10] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51520
[ 11] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51521
[ 12] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51522
[ 9] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51519
[ 7] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51518
[ 6] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51517
[ 8] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51514
[ 14] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51527
[ 15] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51528
[ 16] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51529
[ 17] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51526
[ 19] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51525
[ 18] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51524
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 13] 0.0-30.1 sec 74.6 MBytes 20.8 Mbits/sec
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 12] 0.0-30.3 sec 72.9 MBytes 20.2 Mbits/sec
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 8] 0.0-30.2 sec 114 MBytes 31.8 Mbits/sec
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 9] 0.0-30.2 sec 102 MBytes 28.2 Mbits/sec
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 4] 0.0-30.2 sec 79.6 MBytes 22.1 Mbits/sec
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 14] 0.0-30.2 sec 116 MBytes 32.3 Mbits/sec
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 7] 0.0-30.3 sec 94.4 MBytes 26.1 Mbits/sec
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 17] 0.0-30.2 sec 106 MBytes 29.4 Mbits/sec
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 18] 0.0-30.2 sec 96.1 MBytes 26.7 Mbits/sec
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 10] 0.0-30.3 sec 113 MBytes 31.3 Mbits/sec
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 15] 0.0-30.3 sec 115 MBytes 31.8 Mbits/sec
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 16] 0.0-30.3 sec 91.9 MBytes 25.4 Mbits/sec
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 6] 0.0-30.3 sec 98.0 MBytes 27.1 Mbits/sec
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 19] 0.0-30.3 sec 93.8 MBytes 25.9 Mbits/sec
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 5] 0.0-30.4 sec 94.9 MBytes 26.2 Mbits/sec
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 11] 0.0-30.4 sec 122 MBytes 33.8 Mbits/sec
[SUM] 0.0-30.4 sec 1.55 GBytes 438 Mbits/sec

2. Mac server, NAS client (20.0 KByte (default))
iperf -s; iperf -c 192.168.88.137 -t 30 -P 1 && iperf -c 192.168.88.137 -t 30 -P 4 && iperf -c 192.168.88.137 -t 30 -P 16

------------------------------------------------------------
Server listening on TCP port 5001
TCP window size: 128 KByte (default)
------------------------------------------------------------
[ 4] local 192.168.88.137 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.254 port 36929
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 4] 0.0-30.0 sec 1.38 GBytes 393 Mbits/sec
[ 4] local 192.168.88.137 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.254 port 36931
[ 5] local 192.168.88.137 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.254 port 36932
[ 6] local 192.168.88.137 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.254 port 36933
[ 7] local 192.168.88.137 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.254 port 36934
[ 4] 0.0-30.0 sec 302 MBytes 84.4 Mbits/sec
[ 6] 0.0-30.1 sec 315 MBytes 87.9 Mbits/sec
[ 7] 0.0-30.1 sec 421 MBytes 117 Mbits/sec
[ 5] 0.0-30.1 sec 401 MBytes 112 Mbits/sec
[SUM] 0.0-30.1 sec 1.41 GBytes 402 Mbits/sec
[ 4] local 192.168.88.137 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.254 port 36948
[ 5] local 192.168.88.137 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.254 port 36949
[ 6] local 192.168.88.137 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.254 port 36950
[ 7] local 192.168.88.137 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.254 port 36951
[ 8] local 192.168.88.137 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.254 port 36952
[ 4] 0.0-30.1 sec 332 MBytes 92.5 Mbits/sec
[ 5] 0.0-30.1 sec 332 MBytes 92.4 Mbits/sec
[ 6] 0.0-30.1 sec 268 MBytes 74.6 Mbits/sec
[ 8] 0.0-30.1 sec 233 MBytes 65.0 Mbits/sec
[ 7] 0.0-30.1 sec 284 MBytes 79.1 Mbits/sec
[SUM] 0.0-30.1 sec 1.41 GBytes 403 Mbits/sec


Window size request 320KB

1. Mac client (321 KByte (WARNING: requested 320 KByte)), NAS server
iperf -c qnap -t 30 -P 1 -w 320KB && iperf -c qnap -t 30 -P 4 -w 320KB && iperf -c qnap -t 30 -P 16 -w 320KB; iperf -s -w 320KB

------------------------------------------------------------
Server listening on TCP port 5001
TCP window size: 320 KByte
------------------------------------------------------------
[ 4] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51563
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 4] 0.0-30.0 sec 769 MBytes 215 Mbits/sec
[ 5] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51566
[ 4] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51567
[ 7] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51569
[ 6] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51568
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 6] 0.0-30.0 sec 350 MBytes 97.9 Mbits/sec
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 7] 0.0-30.0 sec 348 MBytes 97.4 Mbits/sec
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 4] 0.0-30.0 sec 351 MBytes 98.0 Mbits/sec
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 5] 0.0-30.0 sec 350 MBytes 97.8 Mbits/sec
[SUM] 0.0-30.0 sec 1.37 GBytes 391 Mbits/sec
[ 4] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51579
[ 8] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51578
[ 7] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51582
[ 6] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51581
[ 5] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51580
[ 14] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51588
[ 11] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51585
[ 12] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51586
[ 13] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51587
[ 10] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51584
[ 9] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51583
[ 15] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51593
[ 19] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51591
[ 16] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51589
[ 17] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51592
[ 18] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51590
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 12] 0.0-30.1 sec 111 MBytes 30.9 Mbits/sec
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 18] 0.0-30.1 sec 89.8 MBytes 25.0 Mbits/sec
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 8] 0.0-30.1 sec 111 MBytes 31.0 Mbits/sec
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 6] 0.0-30.1 sec 101 MBytes 28.2 Mbits/sec
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 11] 0.0-30.1 sec 111 MBytes 30.9 Mbits/sec
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 17] 0.0-30.1 sec 87.1 MBytes 24.3 Mbits/sec
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 4] 0.0-30.1 sec 110 MBytes 30.8 Mbits/sec
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 7] 0.0-30.1 sec 111 MBytes 31.0 Mbits/sec
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 5] 0.0-30.1 sec 110 MBytes 30.6 Mbits/sec
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 14] 0.0-30.1 sec 109 MBytes 30.3 Mbits/sec
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 9] 0.0-30.1 sec 110 MBytes 30.7 Mbits/sec
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 15] 0.0-30.1 sec 110 MBytes 30.6 Mbits/sec
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 19] 0.0-30.1 sec 88.0 MBytes 24.5 Mbits/sec
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 16] 0.0-30.1 sec 87.8 MBytes 24.5 Mbits/sec
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 13] 0.0-30.1 sec 110 MBytes 30.6 Mbits/sec
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 10] 0.0-30.1 sec 108 MBytes 30.1 Mbits/sec
[SUM] 0.0-30.1 sec 1.63 GBytes 464 Mbits/sec

2. Mac server, NAS client (320 KByte)
iperf -s -w 320KB; iperf -c 192.168.88.137 -t 30 -P 1 -w 320KB && iperf -c 192.168.88.137 -t 30 -P 4 -w 320KB && iperf -c 192.168.88.137 -t 30 -P 16 -w 320KB

------------------------------------------------------------
Server listening on TCP port 5001
TCP window size: 320 KByte
------------------------------------------------------------
[ 4] local 192.168.88.137 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.254 port 37032
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 4] 0.0-30.8 sec 81.2 MBytes 22.1 Mbits/sec
[ 4] local 192.168.88.137 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.254 port 37034
[ 5] local 192.168.88.137 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.254 port 37035
[ 6] local 192.168.88.137 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.254 port 37036
[ 7] local 192.168.88.137 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.254 port 37037
[ 4] 0.0-30.0 sec 288 MBytes 80.4 Mbits/sec
[ 5] 0.0-30.0 sec 359 MBytes 100 Mbits/sec
[ 6] 0.0-30.0 sec 276 MBytes 77.2 Mbits/sec
[ 7] 0.0-30.0 sec 312 MBytes 87.2 Mbits/sec
[SUM] 0.0-30.0 sec 1.21 GBytes 345 Mbits/sec
[ 4] local 192.168.88.137 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.254 port 37045
[ 5] local 192.168.88.137 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.254 port 37048
[ 6] local 192.168.88.137 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.254 port 37049
[ 7] local 192.168.88.137 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.254 port 37050
[ 8] local 192.168.88.137 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.254 port 37054
[ 9] local 192.168.88.137 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.254 port 37051
[ 10] local 192.168.88.137 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.254 port 37052
[ 11] local 192.168.88.137 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.254 port 37053
[ 9] 0.0-31.1 sec 157 MBytes 42.4 Mbits/sec
[ 4] 0.0-31.1 sec 148 MBytes 40.0 Mbits/sec
[ 7] 0.0-31.1 sec 160 MBytes 43.3 Mbits/sec
[ 8] 0.0-31.1 sec 166 MBytes 44.7 Mbits/sec
[ 10] 0.0-31.1 sec 153 MBytes 41.3 Mbits/sec
[ 11] 0.0-31.1 sec 158 MBytes 42.7 Mbits/sec
[ 5] 0.0-31.1 sec 152 MBytes 41.0 Mbits/sec
[ 6] 0.0-31.1 sec 149 MBytes 40.3 Mbits/sec
[SUM] 0.0-31.1 sec 1.21 GBytes 336 Mbits/sec


Window size request 64KB

1. Mac client (65.0 KByte (WARNING: requested 64.0 KByte)), NAS server
iperf -c qnap -t 30 -P 1 -w 64KB && iperf -c qnap -t 30 -P 4 -w 64KB && iperf -c qnap -t 30 -P 16 -w 64KB; iperf -s -w 64KB

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Server listening on TCP port 5001
TCP window size: 128 KByte (WARNING: requested 64.0 KByte)
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[ 4] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51684
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 4] 0.0-30.0 sec 465 MBytes 130 Mbits/sec
[ 5] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51685
[ 7] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51688
[ 6] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51687
[ 4] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51686
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 6] 0.0-30.0 sec 234 MBytes 65.3 Mbits/sec
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 5] 0.0-30.0 sec 216 MBytes 60.4 Mbits/sec
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 7] 0.0-30.0 sec 233 MBytes 65.1 Mbits/sec
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 4] 0.0-30.0 sec 234 MBytes 65.5 Mbits/sec
[SUM] 0.0-30.0 sec 917 MBytes 256 Mbits/sec
[ 4] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51691
[ 10] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51697
[ 11] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51698
[ 12] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51699
[ 8] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51692
[ 9] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51696
[ 6] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51694
[ 5] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51693
[ 19] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51705
[ 16] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51703
[ 15] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51702
[ 13] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51700
[ 17] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51704
[ 18] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51706
[ 14] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51701
[ 7] local 192.168.88.254 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.137 port 51695
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 12] 0.0-30.0 sec 93.8 MBytes 26.2 Mbits/sec
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 16] 0.0-30.0 sec 92.6 MBytes 25.9 Mbits/sec
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 15] 0.0-30.0 sec 93.6 MBytes 26.2 Mbits/sec
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 8] 0.0-30.0 sec 94.1 MBytes 26.3 Mbits/sec
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 4] 0.0-30.0 sec 94.6 MBytes 26.4 Mbits/sec
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 11] 0.0-30.0 sec 95.9 MBytes 26.8 Mbits/sec
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 9] 0.0-30.0 sec 94.8 MBytes 26.5 Mbits/sec
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[ 10] 0.0-30.0 sec 93.2 MBytes 26.0 Mbits/sec
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 6] 0.0-30.0 sec 94.1 MBytes 26.3 Mbits/sec
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[ 13] 0.0-30.0 sec 92.1 MBytes 25.7 Mbits/sec
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[ 17] 0.0-30.0 sec 94.1 MBytes 26.3 Mbits/sec
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 18] 0.0-30.0 sec 93.5 MBytes 26.1 Mbits/sec
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 14] 0.0-30.1 sec 93.8 MBytes 26.2 Mbits/sec
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 7] 0.0-30.0 sec 93.4 MBytes 26.1 Mbits/sec
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 5] 0.0-30.1 sec 92.6 MBytes 25.9 Mbits/sec
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 19] 0.0-30.1 sec 92.4 MBytes 25.8 Mbits/sec
[SUM] 0.0-30.1 sec 1.46 GBytes 418 Mbits/sec


2. Mac server, NAS client (128 KByte (WARNING: requested 64.0 KByte))
iperf -s -w 64KB; iperf -c 192.168.88.137 -t 30 -P 1 -w 64KB && iperf -c 192.168.88.137 -t 30 -P 4 -w 64KB && iperf -c 192.168.88.137 -t 30 -P 16 -w 64KB

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Server listening on TCP port 5001
TCP window size: 64.0 KByte
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[ 4] local 192.168.88.137 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.254 port 37129
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 4] 0.0-32.9 sec 90.6 MBytes 23.1 Mbits/sec
[ 4] local 192.168.88.137 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.254 port 37131
[ 5] local 192.168.88.137 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.254 port 37132
[ 6] local 192.168.88.137 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.254 port 37133
[ 7] local 192.168.88.137 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.254 port 37134
[ 5] 0.0-30.4 sec 53.4 MBytes 14.7 Mbits/sec
[ 6] 0.0-30.4 sec 53.8 MBytes 14.8 Mbits/sec
[ 4] 0.0-30.4 sec 64.2 MBytes 17.7 Mbits/sec
[ 7] 0.0-30.4 sec 53.3 MBytes 14.7 Mbits/sec
[SUM] 0.0-30.4 sec 225 MBytes 62.0 Mbits/sec
[ 4] local 192.168.88.137 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.254 port 37137
[ 5] local 192.168.88.137 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.254 port 37140
[ 6] local 192.168.88.137 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.254 port 37141
[ 7] local 192.168.88.137 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.254 port 37143
[ 8] local 192.168.88.137 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.254 port 37146
[ 9] local 192.168.88.137 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.254 port 37147
[ 10] local 192.168.88.137 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.254 port 37148
[ 11] local 192.168.88.137 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.254 port 37149
[ 12] local 192.168.88.137 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.254 port 37150
[ 13] local 192.168.88.137 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.254 port 37151
[ 14] local 192.168.88.137 port 5001 connected with 192.168.88.254 port 37152
[ 7] 0.0-30.1 sec 130 MBytes 36.1 Mbits/sec
[ 4] 0.0-30.1 sec 122 MBytes 34.1 Mbits/sec
[ 5] 0.0-30.1 sec 115 MBytes 31.9 Mbits/sec
[ 6] 0.0-30.1 sec 132 MBytes 36.9 Mbits/sec
[ 8] 0.0-30.1 sec 135 MBytes 37.6 Mbits/sec
[ 9] 0.0-30.1 sec 126 MBytes 35.0 Mbits/sec
[ 10] 0.0-30.1 sec 126 MBytes 35.0 Mbits/sec
[ 11] 0.0-30.1 sec 131 MBytes 36.6 Mbits/sec
[ 12] 0.0-30.1 sec 130 MBytes 36.2 Mbits/sec
[ 13] 0.0-30.1 sec 120 MBytes 33.4 Mbits/sec
[ 14] 0.0-30.1 sec 136 MBytes 37.8 Mbits/sec
[SUM] 0.0-30.1 sec 1.37 GBytes 391 Mbits/sec

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 5:56 am
by pradeepsekar
Just got hold of a few hAP AC units. Very excited to see the product.

The range of 2.4GHz appears to be far more limited than RB951 that I am currently using. Devices at the far end of my premises are getting a 11dbm weaker signal (-67dbm vs -78dbm), which has rendered the device unsuitable for my purposes (the 5GHz range is far shorter)

Mikrotik has confirmed that the radio in hAP AC is a 1000mW unit, similar to the RB951G. However, from the specs, the antenna is 0.5db lower - not sure if this is the reason for the difference I am seeing. I am sure several others would also be facing a similar challenge.

Would anyone be able to suggest settings I could change to improve the range?

(Otherwise I guess I will need to wait for RB3011 with AC...)

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 7:30 am
by normis
Just got hold of a few hAP AC units. Very excited to see the product.

The range of 2.4GHz appears to be far more limited than RB951 that I am currently using. Devices at the far end of my premises are getting a 11dbm weaker signal (-67dbm vs -78dbm), which has rendered the device unsuitable for my purposes (the 5GHz range is far shorter)

Mikrotik has confirmed that the radio in hAP AC is a 1000mW unit, similar to the RB951G. However, from the specs, the antenna is 0.5db lower - not sure if this is the reason for the difference I am seeing. I am sure several others would also be facing a similar challenge.

Would anyone be able to suggest settings I could change to improve the range?

(Otherwise I guess I will need to wait for RB3011 with AC...)
Which country setting are you using? The range should not be any different. Maybe regulatory domain settings affect output power. Antennas should be even better in this one

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:03 pm
by deanMKD1
Just got hold of a few hAP AC units. Very excited to see the product.

The range of 2.4GHz appears to be far more limited than RB951 that I am currently using. Devices at the far end of my premises are getting a 11dbm weaker signal (-67dbm vs -78dbm), which has rendered the device unsuitable for my purposes (the 5GHz range is far shorter)

Mikrotik has confirmed that the radio in hAP AC is a 1000mW unit, similar to the RB951G. However, from the specs, the antenna is 0.5db lower - not sure if this is the reason for the difference I am seeing. I am sure several others would also be facing a similar challenge.

Would anyone be able to suggest settings I could change to improve the range?

(Otherwise I guess I will need to wait for RB3011 with AC...)
Did you changed something in Antenna Gain ? Default is 0 as i remember.

Do you use Default Settings or changed something ?

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:07 pm
by normis
pradeepsekar: Please post "/export compact" so we can see your config

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 1:28 pm
by alphi
Strangely , in winbox on wlan2 ( 5GHz ) does not reflect the current value of the power of the transmitter :
Image

also in the Terminal :
[admin@MikroTik] > interface wireless monitor
numbers: 1
status: running-ap
channel: 5200/20-eC/ac(20dBm)
wireless-protocol: 802.11
noise-floor: -106dBm
registered-clients: 0
authenticated-clients: 0
wmm-enabled: yes
notify-external-fdb: no
END

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 4:16 pm
by deanMKD1
Have someone maked review on hap ac ? How is speed results on 2.4ghz and 5 ghz ?

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 5:23 pm
by G2Dolphin
Just got my hAP ac, here is the detailed photos of the inside. Click to fullsize photos.

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By the way, it's quite hot (51°C after 30m of uptime) and high-frequency sounds can be heared when 5Ghz radio is receiving/transmiting data. Seems like, only when 802.11ac high-speed data being sent.
My copper SFP (not from MikroTik) isn't working, while being OK in RB2011.
CPU can't be overclocked higher 720Mhz, only 600Mhz and 500Mhz available to select.

Feel free to ask, if you need something to clarify.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 6:39 pm
by Wildy
Hi there.

Just got my hands onto a couple of hAP AC's, and now that I've set up everything, my 802.11ac clients only seem to connect at 802.11n speeds. This was all tested with the following settings:

Wireless mode: 40 MHz a/n/ac (both Ce and eC)
Preamble: both
Rates: default
HW protection: none (did also try with RTS/CTS - still no luck from .11ac-capable clients)
TX power: regulatory domain
RD country: Russia
Distance: indoors
WMM: enabled
Security: WPA2 PSK
Clients were Intel 7260-ac and RTL 8812aU

I was able to achieve ~200 Mbps for both downlink and uplink on 40MHz .11n using 3 TCP streams in iperf3. As soon as I get home, I'll try to repeat the test on a different hAP AC and will post its configuration here.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:12 pm
by olkitu
I have issue on my hAP AC. I got max speed with wireless 10Mbps download and 50Mbps upload. Handshake speed with AP and my laptop is 780Mbps. With cable, speed is 1Gbps.

I tried reset my reset, reconfigure it... Changing channel... Changing RoS version...

CPU 4-5% max, no firewall / queue rule.

Also i tested with only default config but speed is same.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 3:46 am
by deanMKD1
Just got my hAP ac, here is the detailed photos of the inside. Click to fullsize photos.

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Image

Image

Image

By the way, it's quite hot (51°C after 30m of uptime) and high-frequency sounds can be heared when 5Ghz radio is receiving/transmiting data. Seems like, only when 802.11ac high-speed data being sent.
My copper SFP (not from MikroTik) isn't working, while being OK in RB2011.
CPU can't be overclocked higher 720Mhz, only 600Mhz and 500Mhz available to select.

Feel free to ask, if you need something to clarify.
From where is listened thar sounds when works on 5ghz ? From router inside ?

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:19 am
by pradeepsekar
Thanks for looking into this!

My wireless config is:

/interface wireless security-profiles
set [ find default=yes ] authentication-types=wpa-psk,wpa2-psk eap-methods="" \
mode=static-keys-optional supplicant-identity=MikroTik \
wpa-pre-shared-key=123456789012 wpa2-pre-shared-key=123456789012
add authentication-types=wpa2-psk eap-methods="" mode=dynamic-keys name=prad \
supplicant-identity=MikroTik wpa-pre-shared-key=123456789012345 \
wpa2-pre-shared-key=123456789012345
add authentication-types=wpa2-eap management-protection=allowed mode=\
dynamic-keys name=prad-enterprise radius-mac-accounting=yes \
supplicant-identity=MySID
/interface wireless
set [ find default-name=wlan1 ] band=2ghz-onlyn disabled=no frequency=2462 \
mode=ap-bridge security-profile=prad-enterprise ssid=MySSID \
wireless-protocol=802.11 wps-mode=disabled
add disabled=no mac-address=D6:CA:6D:A8:A1:CD master-interface=wlan1 name=\
wlan2 security-profile=prad ssid=MySSID2 wds-cost-range=0 wds-default-cost=\
0 wps-mode=disabled

BTW, in terms of placement of the router - I had done an in place swap of the 951G - exact same location and orientation. I did not set any country profile. Do I need to?

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:30 am
by pradeepsekar
The earlier post was the config from the RB951G. This is from the hAP AC.

# feb/18/2016 18:55:07 by RouterOS 6.34.1
# software id = XBHK-BJL8
#
/interface wireless security-profiles
set [ find default=yes ] supplicant-identity=MikroTik
add authentication-types=wpa2-psk eap-methods="" management-protection=\
allowed mode=dynamic-keys name=prad supplicant-identity="" \
wpa2-pre-shared-key=123456789012345
add authentication-types=wpa2-eap management-protection=allowed mode=\
dynamic-keys name=prad-enterprise radius-mac-accounting=yes \
supplicant-identity=MySID
/interface wireless
set [ find default-name=wlan1 ] band=2ghz-onlyn channel-width=20/40mhz-eC \
disabled=no distance=indoors frequency=2462 mode=ap-bridge \
security-profile=prad-enterprise ssid=MySSID wireless-protocol=802.11 \
wps-mode=disabled
set [ find default-name=wlan2 ] band=5ghz-onlyac channel-width=\
20/40/80mhz-eeeC disabled=no distance=indoors frequency=auto mode=\
ap-bridge security-profile=prad-enterprise ssid=MySSIDAC wireless-protocol=\
802.11 wps-mode=disabled
add disabled=no keepalive-frames=disabled mac-address=E6:8D:8C:49:2B:3A \
master-interface=wlan1 multicast-buffering=disabled name=wlan3 \
security-profile=prad ssid=MySSID2 wds-cost-range=0 wds-default-cost=0 \
wps-mode=disabled

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 2:23 pm
by G2Dolphin
From where is listened thar sounds when works on 5ghz ? From router inside ?
Yeah, I haven't tested it without case. Probably drossel or something.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 8:27 pm
by deanMKD1
Have someone make a speedtest in file transfer via Wifi and LAN?

So pros. on this router is:

- 2x2 2.4 Ghz
- 3x3 5Ghz,
- RoS

cons.

- Too overpriced..
- SFP port for SOHO router? Really.?

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 9:40 pm
by Siona
(...)
cons.

- Too overpriced..
- SFP port for SOHO router? Really.?
I have to agree.
It is really hard to use it with gpon (need sfp module priced next $100) and in other hand it is to weak for serious fiber connection.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 12:33 am
by Quindor
How can you call this overpriced. It's 120$, that's not expensive for a 5 port Gigabit, 3x3 2.4Ghz and 3x3 5Ghz AC device in any terms. And you also get the awesome power of a Routerboard with it which you wouldn't have in other devices.

So calling it expensive is a stretch by any means. Sure, you can find a TP-link that's cheaper, but that's about it. And it has nowhere the features this does. Even if you slap OpenWRT on it (which can be hit or miss).

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 10:47 am
by deanMKD1
Its not vexpensive at all for price you get..

- One Core 750 Mhz Processor
- 128MB ram
-16MB Flash

Compared to Xiaomi Wifi Mini router that cost only $30 is ridiculous.
https://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/xiaomi/mini

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 2:34 pm
by Quindor
Its not vexpensive at all for price you get..

- One Core 750 Mhz Processor
- 128MB ram
-16MB Flash

Compared to Xiaomi Wifi Mini router that cost only $30 is ridiculous.
https://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/xiaomi/mini
Are you seriously comparing the two? :lol: :lol: Please, buy the Xiaomi and be happy with it then. Meanwhile I still believe the hAP AC is well priced for it's features.

But seriously, everyone is entitled to their own opinion of course, but comparing the hAP AC to a rock bottom Chinese access-point which happens to also have AC but doesn't even include Gigabit or 3x3 WiFi is madness. Myself, as an access-point using CAPsMAN I would compare it against a Ubiquiti UniFi AC PRO for instance. The Ubiquiti version is a little bit more expensive, but not by much and offers a very nice design (No need for a stationbox) and 802.3at/af compatibility. It lacks the ability to do more then that though, but every routerboard (especially since the hAP AC has more ports) does have. There is others I could compare it with, but they either don't have the same features or cost a lot more (Zyxel, Engenius, etc.).

Although I'm quite sure Mikrotik is already working on this, make a nicely designed ceiling mountable version please! :)

Besides the use as a pure access-point I also see good use for it for people who would otherwise have gotten a RB2011 for instance. To provide routing/firewall for their home, combined with WiFi. And yes in that mode the CPU might become a bit starved for resources, but with a 100Mbps internet connection and some AC clients it will still perform pretty good for the money!

Anyway, that's my opinion. I'm still hoping to see more bandwith tests from people who already have one! I'll post mine as soon as I receive it.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 3:25 pm
by mavink
Its not vexpensive at all for price you get..

- One Core 750 Mhz Processor
- 128MB ram
-16MB Flash

Compared to Xiaomi Wifi Mini router that cost only $30 is ridiculous.
https://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/xiaomi/mini
If you're going to compare the Xiaomi with a Mikrotik access point the hAP AC Lite would be a better comparison; that one is available for about $40 and has more ethernet ports + a faster CPU than the Xiaomi. And it comes with RouterOS preinstalled, instead of having to jump through hoops to get OpenWrt on the Xiaomi.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 4:27 pm
by ZeroByte
- SFP port for SOHO router? Really.?
If someone has a GPON service at their house, they sure would love to put the ONT SFP into their Mikrotik and not have a second device on their shelf / under their desk.......

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 5:35 pm
by R1CH
- SFP port for SOHO router? Really.?
If someone has a GPON service at their house, they sure would love to put the ONT SFP into their Mikrotik and not have a second device on their shelf / under their desk.......
Except the CPU in the device is far too weak to handle fiber connections. Even using 3x3 wireless maxes out the CPU. This device is much better suited as an access point than a router.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 5:41 pm
by ZeroByte
Except the CPU in the device is far too weak to handle fiber connections. Even using 3x3 wireless maxes out the CPU. This device is much better suited as an access point than a router.
It is.... and I agree that it's best suited as an AP.... you obviously missed my earlier rant post in this thread. ;)

If I owned one of these, it would be specifically as a CAPSMAN access point only - play to the device's strength.

Another nice use of the SFP port would be in offices where there is fiber between buildings and you just want to put an AP in the building....
In that scenario, the SFP isn't adding any load to the device that wouldn't already be on it by bridging a gigabit of WiFi.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 11:45 pm
by Quindor
But do we know the CPU is too slow or are you estimating? From the reports we gathered we got one report of it being too slow, but I'd like to see more results.

Judging from the specs on routerboard.com the device seems to be a lot faster then for instance an RB2011. Just judging by CPU Mhz isn't going to work in this case. It's a little bit slower then the RB850Gx2 but not by that much.

I also see this platform (CPU + Wireless chips) used in a lot of other products, so there must have been some matching going on. I'm willing to bet it's going to be fine as an access-point at least and when down the line some routing should be good too.

Still, wireless benchmarks and throughput graphs with a good scenario description when more people get these would be awesome! Only then will we know for sure.:D

Getting mine in a few days and I will certainly put it through a lot of tests! Sadly, I don't have a really good AC client. I did order multiple though, so I'll build a bridge with it. :)

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 12:22 am
by InoX
- SFP port for SOHO router? Really.?
If someone has a GPON service at their house, they sure would love to put the ONT SFP into their Mikrotik and not have a second device on their shelf / under their desk.......
Most of the time it won't work.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 12:36 am
by ZeroByte
Most of the time it won't work.
All my point was is that the SFP port isn't "worse than useless" as was implied.

My other example of terminating a fiber link into a building with it is also valid - because the hardware switch doesn't bog the CPU - you could have 6 APs in a building (one with fiber, and 5 more hanging off of its 5 ports) and still be able to drop off some cat5 from the other 5 APs for printers, or other devices that might require a wired ethernet link.

Anyhoo - I'm dropping back out of this thread. Those who feel that Mikrotik has delivered a lemon shall not be convinced otherwise. Me, I think it's a great Access Point and if I actually owned any AC clients, I'd be shelling out the $100-ish for one and smiling when it arrived.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 12:45 am
by InoX
Only time will say how good or bad is. Let's wait.
I'm not interested anyway.
3x3 mimo is expensive and 99.9% is also useless. Most portable devices are only 1x1. The only good thing I've seen is better range.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 1:55 am
by deanMKD1
Its not vexpensive at all for price you get..

- One Core 750 Mhz Processor
- 128MB ram
-16MB Flash

Compared to Xiaomi Wifi Mini router that cost only $30 is ridiculous.
https://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/xiaomi/mini
If you're going to compare the Xiaomi with a Mikrotik access point the hAP AC Lite would be a better comparison; that one is available for about $40 and has more ethernet ports + a faster CPU than the Xiaomi. And it comes with RouterOS preinstalled, instead of having to jump through hoops to get OpenWrt on the Xiaomi.
What you will say if i tell you that Xiaomi Wifi Mini get better results then RB2011 in wireless range ?

2. HAP Lite ia also 10/100 so no big different then Xiaomi.

3. Xiaomi have 128 mb ddr2 ram 800 mhz and hap lite only 64.

4. Xiaomi Wifi Mini in my tests get better transfer results then RB2011.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 2:21 am
by Quindor
Its not vexpensive at all for price you get..

- One Core 750 Mhz Processor
- 128MB ram
-16MB Flash

Compared to Xiaomi Wifi Mini router that cost only $30 is ridiculous.
https://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/xiaomi/mini
If you're going to compare the Xiaomi with a Mikrotik access point the hAP AC Lite would be a better comparison; that one is available for about $40 and has more ethernet ports + a faster CPU than the Xiaomi. And it comes with RouterOS preinstalled, instead of having to jump through hoops to get OpenWrt on the Xiaomi.
What you will say if i tell you that Xiaomi Wifi Mini get better results then RB2011 in wireless range ?

2. HAP Lite ia also 10/100 so no big different then Xiaomi.

3. Xiaomi have 128 mb ddr2 ram 800 mhz and hap lite only 64.

4. Xiaomi Wifi Mini in my tests get better transfer results then RB2011.
I don't even know what to reply to this.

Ok, better range is nice for the Xiaomi? Yes they both have 100Mbit? Who cares about the RAM in the scenario's we're talking about? CPU in both is plenty fast enough for the 100Mbit ports, yes. And the last one, yes, you said that as point 1 too.

But basically you are saying that the hAP Lite and Xiaomi are about the same cost and the same functionality (Except for multiple ports, USB, POE in and out, CAPsMAN, great interface, routing, firewall, VPN possabilities, etc.. So, euhm, sure. They are comparable (if only used as an access-point with power wire connected) and cost about the same, great, we can agree on that. I also know you could flash it with OpenWRT to get some functionality but that still doesn't bring it up to par in my opinion.

I'll give you one better. Why not get a hAP Lite without AC. AC is useless using the 100Mbit ports anyway. It costs half of the Xiaomi but does come with more ports, POE, CAPsMAN, plenty of power for 100Mbit, RouterOS, a great interface, etc.!

I still do not agree though that the hAP AC (which this topic is about), as you stated originally, is comparable with the Xiaomi access-point. I think that should be obvious by now. But if your very happy with it, please, use that!

But our discussion past this point has become kind of pointless I believe, back to the hAP AC and actual findings about it! :)

p.s. The RB2011 isn't a super champion in wireless throughput, range is pretty decent though. I've used my own external antenna's before to help it out. :)

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 11:12 am
by sass
I've found out about MikroTik routers a bit less than a year ago. It was pleasant surprised that MikroTik is Latvian (local for me) company. So I decided to update my home network and buy one of Mikrotik routers.
Now I have old version of TL-WR1043ND router, which can handle about 104 Mbit/s max by wires and almost nothing by wifi. Problem is that my ISP give me real 250 Mbit/s so TL cuts half of the speed.
I've stopped on RB951G-2HnD model, but found out that it is quite old and according to these I've been waiting of its next update. I've been waiting more than half year of its update...seems like most of us in these thread.
Now we have HAP AC released, but I'm still worried reading comments in these thread. So please give me your suggestion or advice how to find my MikroTik device :)
Now I have 250 Mbit/s internet, further it may be updated to 500 or 700 Mbit/s. Will these device feet my needs and will it be able to throughput such speeds by wires? What speed these device can give through OpenVPN? Or probably I need to pay my attention to some other MikroTik device?
Conditions: a few PC's connected by wires and a few devices by wifi.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 11:28 am
by ayufan
Now we have HAP AC released, but I'm still worried reading comments in these thread. So please give me your suggestion or advice how to find my MikroTik device :)
Now I have 250 Mbit/s internet, further it may be updated to 500 or 700 Mbit/s. Will these device feet my needs and will it be able to throughput such speeds by wires? What speed these device can give through OpenVPN? Or probably I need to pay my attention to some other MikroTik device?
Conditions: a few PC's connected by wires and a few devices by wifi.
Don't be. This is very good device. You should be happy. It should handle 1Gbps NAT LAN to WAN. It will have around 500Mbps Wireless AC. It'll be just fine. Don't expect any awesomeness from OpenVPN: it will be able to handle around 15-20Mbps of traffic (no HW cryptography acceleration).

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 11:33 am
by normis
I've found out about MikroTik routers a bit less than a year ago. It was pleasant surprised that MikroTik is Latvian (local for me) company. So I decided to update my home network and buy one of Mikrotik routers.
Now I have old version of TL-WR1043ND router, which can handle about 104 Mbit/s max by wires and almost nothing by wifi. Problem is that my ISP give me real 250 Mbit/s so TL cuts half of the speed.
I've stopped on RB951G-2HnD model, but found out that it is quite old and according to these I've been waiting of its next update. I've been waiting more than half year of its update...seems like most of us in these thread.
Now we have HAP AC released, but I'm still worried reading comments in these thread. So please give me your suggestion or advice how to find my MikroTik device :)
Now I have 250 Mbit/s internet, further it may be updated to 500 or 700 Mbit/s. Will these device feet my needs and will it be able to throughput such speeds by wires? What speed these device can give through OpenVPN? Or probably I need to pay my attention to some other MikroTik device?
Conditions: a few PC's connected by wires and a few devices by wifi.
Here is my hAP ac, no special config, connected through a few other mikrotik routers (before going to ISP cable):

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Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 11:40 am
by honzam
Thanks for image (speedtest). What is speed from ISP? It is limited by ISP?
You test on laptop with 2x2 or 3x3 AC?

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 11:54 am
by normis
Thanks for image (speedtest). What is speed from ISP? It is limited by ISP?
You test on laptop with 2x2 or 3x3 AC?
This is Ethernet test, since OP asked about Ethernet. But my Laptop is not very fast. It is via USB-Ethernet adapter. More professional test is needed for making conclusions :) Like I said, between this one, and the ISP, there are some 4 more routers.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 5:25 pm
by mavink
For those that are interested in using the hAP AC with CAPsMAN: throughput stats using that setup, with no local forwarding (i.e. routing/firewalling handled on the router hosting CAPsMAN).

All tests done between a Linux machine connected through gigabit ethernet directly in the router running CAPsMAN, and a 2015-model Macbook Pro connected through 802.11ac on a hAP AC, with iperf set to a 416 KByte window size on the server size.

The test routers are running 6.35rc12 with the wireless-rep package.

Single stream
About 20% idle time on the hAP AC, throughput just below 300 Mbps (varying between 260-285 Mbps average for each 30 second test run). Ping latency over the wireless network stays below 5ms, no packet loss.

Four streams
About 5% idle time, 300-330 Mbps throughput. Ping latency sometimes spikes to 20ms, no packet loss.

Sixteen streams
CPU still shows about 5% idle time, 330-350 Mbps throughput. Ping latency gets up to 50-60ms while the test is running, with about 5% packet loss.

The results are slightly better than I expected beforehand. The profiler tool says about 50% of the CPU usage is from "wireless", with the rest split evenly between "networking" and "ethernet".

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 5:38 pm
by honzam
What channel width was used?
Have you any screenshots? Please share it with us.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 5:41 pm
by mavink
What channel width was used?
Have you any screenshots? Please share it with us.
That's 80 MHz, the Macbook connected as "877.5Mbps-80MHz/3S". But the limiting factor appears to be the CPU in the hAP AC, not a lack of wireless bandwidth. What would you like to see screenshots of?

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 6:14 pm
by jarda
Was it in fastpath mode?

Re:

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 6:58 pm
by mavink
Was it in fastpath mode?
AFAIK it is; the "allow fastpath" setting is on and there are no firewall rules (this is an internal AP used for testing, and all traffic is handled by the CAPsMAN router). The complete config is available here:
http://pastebin.com/5twkpNvw

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 7:50 pm
by Quindor
Awesome tests @mavink! Sad to see the CPU still be the bottleneck. If this keeps up, hopefully Mikrotik can optimize the needed CPU power when in CAPsMAN mode like Ubiquiti is doing with the UAP-AC-PRO.

Did you set up an encrypted wireless SSID or open? That could make a difference and I can't read it from your config.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 8:12 pm
by ZeroByte
Awesome tests @mavink! Sad to see the CPU still be the bottleneck. If this keeps up, hopefully Mikrotik can optimize the needed CPU power when in CAPsMAN mode like Ubiquiti is doing with the UAP-AC-PRO.

Did you set up an encrypted wireless SSID or open? That could make a difference and I can't read it from your config.
I think the biggest thing is that it's not using local forwarding, which means that the CPU is tunneling the traffic back to the CAPSMAN.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 8:15 pm
by honzam
I think the biggest thing is that it's not using local forwarding, which means that the CPU is tunneling the traffic back to the CAPSMAN.
You think that without CAPSMAN would achieve a better result?


mavink: Can you test it without CAPSMAN and with disabled connection tracking?

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:23 pm
by mavink
I think the biggest thing is that it's not using local forwarding, which means that the CPU is tunneling the traffic back to the CAPSMAN.
You think that without CAPSMAN would achieve a better result?


mavink: Can you test it without CAPSMAN and with disabled connection tracking?
I might have some time for that tomorrow!

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 3:00 am
by kiler129
Unfortunately US users are out of luck. Availability date for most retailers slipped to end of march :(
The official price from my local distributor is $108 for US version: http://www.balticnetworks.com/mikrotik- ... ennas.html

There's also another offer for these in rush - http://www.amazon.com/Mikrotik-RouterBo ... 01BMMK4HI/
It's an international version for nearly $119 (which is still $10 cheaper than MSRP), but they charge almost $24 for shipping. Looking at their contact # packages are shipped directly from Latvia.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 6:35 am
by littlebill
can anyone speak to the range of this unit over the 951? i love my 951, sometimes though i need faster transfer speeds, but if the range is smaller, i can't use this, i run out of range on my 951 sometimes

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 7:02 am
by brwainer
Unfortunately US users are out of luck. Availability date for most retailers slipped to end of march :(
The official price from my local distributor is $108 for US version: http://www.balticnetworks.com/mikrotik- ... ennas.html

There's also another offer for these in rush - http://www.amazon.com/Mikrotik-RouterBo ... 01BMMK4HI/
It's an international version for nearly $119 (which is still $10 cheaper than MSRP), but they charge almost $24 for shipping. Looking at their contact # packages are shipped directly from Latvia.
Another seller is also shipping the international version straight from Latvia on eBay - or maybe it's the same seller. Late March is really not going to work for this project, I am up against a wall now. It's either go with UAP-AC-Pros or try to import some of these international units.

Edit: The eBay seller "UBNTSHOP" is a trademark of EURO DK LTD., so the two sellers are the same.

EDIT2: on their direct website, http://www.eurodk.com/en/products/wifi- ... ard-hap-ac they sell the units for $99 each, and the checkout page has quoted me $24.05 for DHL Express Worldwide shipping for 3x hAP ACs. That comes out to about the same price as if I were to buy the US version locally in a MONTH. I realize that Mikrotik is being limited by the FCC, but this situation is ridiculous. I've looked up the FCC regulations on this and I'm not comfortable trying to import the international version myself. But if someone else does it without issue please let us know so that I can be right behind you.

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 7:49 am
by littlebill
https://gyazo.com/a90f9e9bf18088a7a263c8c172e0e516
thats to the usa, importing is easy, i buy out of uk all the time

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 9:15 am
by kiler129
http://www.eurodk.com/en/products/wifi- ... ard-hap-ac they sell the units for $99 each, and the checkout page has quoted me $24.05 for DHL Express Worldwide shipping for 3x hAP ACs.
Thank you so much for the direct link - I didn't bother checking before!
thats to the usa, importing is easy, i buy out of uk all the time
Are there any other extra taxes or customs involved?


In case of EuroDK shop you need to also add the cost of payment. Following fees were calculated for me with address near the Chicago BA and single hAP AC:
Image

So, it's $99 for the router + $19.84 for UPS + $2.67 for CC payment = $121,51 - few bucks less than MSRP and few more than from local distributor. With delivery time of 3-7 business days I'm in...
Now I only have to wait for arrival :D

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 1:03 pm
by normis
Nice results from users on social media:
https://twitter.com/darkmanlv/status/702448475196276737

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 5:40 pm
by ayufan
Nice results from users on social media:
https://twitter.com/darkmanlv/status/702448475196276737
I'm curious what is the AC+NAT performance :) I'll test it tomorrow. My hAP AC will arrive :)

Re: HAP AC

Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 8:00 pm
by olkitu
I've found out about MikroTik routers a bit less than a year ago. It was pleasant surprised that MikroTik is Latvian (local for me) company. So I decided to update my home network and buy one of Mikrotik routers.
Now I have old version of TL-WR1043ND router, which can handle about 104 Mbit/s max by wires and almost nothing by wifi. Problem is that my ISP give me real 250 Mbit/s so TL cuts half of the speed.
I've stopped on RB951G-2HnD model, but found out that it is quite old and according to these I've been waiting of its next update. I've been waiting more than half year of its update...seems like most of us in these thread.
Now we have HAP AC released, but I'm still worried reading comments in these thread. So please give me your suggestion or advice how to find my MikroTik device :)
Now I have 250 Mbit/s internet, further it may be updated to 500 or 700 Mbit/s. Will these device feet my needs and will it be able to throughput such speeds by wires? What speed these device can give through OpenVPN? Or probably I need to pay my attention to some other MikroTik device?
Conditions: a few PC's connected by wires and a few devices by wifi.
Here is my hAP ac, no special config, connected through a few other mikrotik routers (before going to ISP cable):

Image
Nice speed! But please post Wireless speed. I have some issue my hAP AC WLAN. Very slowly speed 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz. Wired connection ok.

CPU 40% max. No NAT, Bridge.

With Wireless (laptop what have AC card):

http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/5114020958

With wired: http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/5114030465

I have 100/100 connection.

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