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IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Wed Jun 29, 2016 1:08 pm

Hello MikroTik team,

I love the new WAP AC device. Finally 802.3af/at PoE, but still 802.11ac first generation ASICs, i.e. "Wave 1".Let´s look at current Atheros chipsets:
  • For 2.4Ghz only :
    TP9343(Dragonfly)     MIPS 74Kc     750 MHz     bgn     3x3:3    
  • For 2.4/5.0Ghz:
    QCA9990     PCIe     abgn+ac     4x4:4             Wave2 MU-MIMO 80MHz
    QCA9994     PCIe     abgn+ac     4x4:4             Wave2 MU-MIMO 160MHz
Of course the QCA9994 would be my favourite.
  • So, what is the current state of Mikrotik based wave 2 devices. Are those in development state, already?
  • Will wave 2 products be announced in 2016?
  • Will wave 2 products be available in 2017?
Some hints would be great. 8)
 
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Wed Jun 29, 2016 4:22 pm

++1
 
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Sat Jul 02, 2016 3:43 am

Cards are on sale?

Google find:
Qualcomm Atheros QCA9994
http://www.acelink.com.tw/EW-7956MAC.html
Qualcomm Atheros QCA9984:
http://www.compex.com.sg/product/wle1216v5-23/
http://www.acelink.com.tw/EW-7955MAC.html
other cards?
 
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:57 pm

Let´s push this one, sorry ;-)
(I am waiting for second generation WAP AC, as CAPSMAN tunnel needs a lot of CPU... Therefore an ASIC with more integrated CPU power would be nice to have)
 
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Sun Sep 17, 2017 2:36 am

Cards are on sale?

Google find:
Qualcomm Atheros QCA9994
http://www.acelink.com.tw/EW-7956MAC.html
Qualcomm Atheros QCA9984:
http://www.compex.com.sg/product/wle1216v5-23/
http://www.acelink.com.tw/EW-7955MAC.html
other cards?
Would these be supported in RouterOS?
We manage 50+ corporate wifi networks in the Netherlands using Mikrotik & Cloudcore equipment.
 
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:07 pm

No, driver does Not Support them
I tryed 9888 Wave 2 2x2 from Compex,
->unknown device

the 4x4 will arrive in october, But i think Mikrotik ROS Wireless Driver is outdatet!

They are Working on your own driver, so It will Need Time to implement new Chipsets, i Hope not the Same Time Span since we Hoping for ROS 7.0
 
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:12 am

Any updates on this?

QCA9984 supported in ROS yet?
 
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:05 am

Any updates on this?

QCA9984 supported in ROS yet?
And QCA9888
 
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:54 pm

There's no Wave2 support for anything yet.
 
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:29 pm

There's no Wave2 support for anything yet.
shame on Mikrotik but it is the truth
 
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Wed Jul 04, 2018 1:33 am

wave 2 work in the new RouterOS update?
 
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Wed Jul 04, 2018 2:24 am

RouterOS v7? Probably. Who knows when though...
 
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:25 am

wave 2 work in the new RouterOS update?
IPQ4018/4019 in the new arm devices (sxtsq, hap ac2, disc lite 5ac) is wave2.
support for 160MHz channel and 80+80mhz is there.
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:53 am

wave 2 work in the new RouterOS update?
IPQ4018/4019 in the new arm devices (sxtsq, hap ac2, disc lite 5ac) is wave2.
support for 160MHz channel and 80+80mhz is there.

No no the situation is different..
There is at WLE650V5-25A compex card to be used on the RB800. But it does not show the RB800 card
 
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:49 pm

wave 2 work in the new RouterOS update?
IPQ4018/4019 in the new arm devices (sxtsq, hap ac2, disc lite 5ac) is wave2.
support for 160MHz channel and 80+80mhz is there.

No no the situation is different..
There is at WLE650V5-25A compex card to be used on the RB800. But it does not show the RB800 card
there are only these two chipsets (IPQ4018/19) supported, and not with Wave 2 Features!
 
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:30 am

any news?
 
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:36 am

Wave AC drivers in the next ROS 8 version :-)
 
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:32 pm

Bud i see Mikrotik ROS Audience RBD25G-5HPacQD2HPnD supported QCA9984 chip.
 
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:56 pm

If take RouterBOARD RBM11G with MiniPCI and stick this card there (http://www.compexshop.com/product_info. ... cts_id/486) with the QCA9984 chip, will it work?
What your think?
 
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:14 pm

If take RouterBOARD RBM11G with MiniPCI and stick this card there (http://www.compexshop.com/product_info. ... cts_id/486) with the QCA9984 chip, will it work?
What your think?
Does not work, try Openwrt, that works...
 
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:15 pm

Bud i see Mikrotik ROS Audience RBD25G-5HPacQD2HPnD supported QCA9984 chip.
This is ARM, not the same Plattform with M11G
 
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Wed Nov 27, 2019 12:06 am

Why not?
Audience (https://mikrotik.com/product/audience) have the same chipset QCA9984 and work with mikrotik ROS.
 
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:17 pm

Audience is ARM, RBM11G is MMIPS ... notice the difference?
BR,
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:04 pm

Now yes! :)
We need ARM routerboard! Where can I find?
 
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Thu Nov 28, 2019 12:02 am

Now yes! :)
We need ARM routerboard! Where can I find?
that is a dying breed
I don’t think there will be new Boards and wifi 6 Modules....
We will see only Integrated solutions, nothing to Cry about...
Wifi6@Mikrotik will need 4-5 years to be at the same Level
As pre wifi6 Devices that Are Sold today
So there is no need for Mikrotik wifi6
 
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:13 am

mistry7 pessimist?
 
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Thu Nov 28, 2019 6:50 am

No realist

Mikrotik Wireless is years behind competitors
For WISP there no needed improvements are done since ac Hardware becomes available

- spectral Scan is missing
- TDMA is legacy
- Support for 802.11 r/v/k (needed for Wifi4EU)
- wave 2 (Bad throughgut)
- compatibility (ARM AC Hardware is still behind MISPBE)
This List is endless, better they sell nothing new
 
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Thu Nov 28, 2019 12:01 pm

Yes I am sad to say it but mikrotik 5GHz wireless hardware is no more suitable for professional wisp use
 
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:05 pm

change to Cambium?
 
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:56 pm

Any other manufacturer in AC works better. Mikrotik will never improve the wireless. A year ago I had problems with the tdma and still not solve it.
 
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Thu Nov 28, 2019 2:21 pm

Maybe they'll solve that with ROS 7.0
ROS 7.0 have new kernel and drivet for chip´s
 
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Thu Nov 28, 2019 2:49 pm

Yes in 2050
 
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Thu Nov 28, 2019 5:57 pm

Your grandchildren 2050/ROS 8 ;-)
 
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Fri Nov 29, 2019 12:35 am

Normis what do you say? Is there hope?
 
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:49 am

Never lose hope for anything.
No answer to your question? How to write posts
 
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:24 am

Never lose hope for anything.
lol
 
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:53 am

I remain calmer knowing that mikrotik is no longer a technology company if not a religion
 
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Fri Nov 29, 2019 3:06 pm

Normis comes this year surprise?
 
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Fri Nov 29, 2019 3:35 pm

Never lose hope for anything.
Normis we have no time to lose hoping in a miracle. We have to stay on the market and we need to take important decision for the future of our company (fiber telco grows quickly) so if you have any announcement to do please don't wait more.

Thank you
 
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Fri Nov 29, 2019 5:00 pm

It looks like Mikrotik is outdated. None of the Mikrotik support opposes it
Shall we accept it? And accept it as a fact?
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Fri Nov 29, 2019 6:39 pm

Now is when Mikrotik does not respond or says that everything is going well
 
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:23 pm

State of Mikrotik WIFI is always at least one generation behind (right now it's more like a two generations behind). When the wave2 hardware finally arrives, it will be marketed as best thing on earth, while competition will be selling 802.11ax gear like hot pancakes...
If you want latest technology, best throughput and all the new features, you simply can't get them from Mikrotik. Waiting for new hardware is like waiting for Godot, it will never come until it's too late. Or you get something like RB4011 where it took 15 months to figure out why wifi doesn't work correctly... and it's still not confirmed if it's really fixed.
Solution is to just use Mikrotik where it's strong (60GHz,Routing,some switches - as long as you don't get one with flapping ports) and just don't bother with rest...
 
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Sat Nov 30, 2019 9:44 am

Mikrotik in the past years has wasted his credibility in wireless market (no spectral scan, no wave 2 support, arm issue, poor perfomance, no new hardware, ecc, ecc) I don't think they have interest to regain it and to have respect for us (we was they richness)

The Normis words have no sense which kind of hope and when?
Never lose hope for anything.
 
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:46 am

Mikrotik in the past years has wasted his credibility in wireless market (no spectral scan, no wave 2 support, arm issue, poor perfomance, no new hardware, ecc, ecc) I don't think they have interest to regain it and to have respect for us (we was they richness)

The Normis words have no sense which kind of hope and when?
Never lose hope for anything.
I sayed it the hole last year, don't spend anything in Mikrotik Wirleess, there is no future!
There is no move, there is no information.
Our decision is done, we only need Mikrotik spare parts for the old areas....
We use 60ghz, until there is an better solution from someone else.

But in near Future we don't have any Mikrotik in our Network.....
Routing does not have needed IPv6 Features (same here as Wireless), no Info, no Roadmap, nothing ,
so at the Point we run out of IPv4, we move away from Mikrotik, because no complete IPv6 integration.
 
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Sun Dec 01, 2019 8:40 pm

Sad reading :-( I like to remember the old days when Mikrotik set the trend. Nstreme and Nstreme dual! That was the time ...
Now we have a lot of LTE products but Wireless is behind :(
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:35 pm

I only have 10℅ of my wireless network with mikrotil and this Christmas I will change it for another brand if a miracle does not happen. finally stop bothering mikrotik in this forum
 
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:28 am

I only have 10℅ of my wireless network with mikrotil and this Christmas I will change it for another brand if a miracle does not happen. finally stop bothering mikrotik in this forum
What brand did you chose? There are many other low cost vendors that promise more than MikroTik, but neither have much experirnce nor are tested in higher density situations (campus environment)
(How many concurrent clients do you have in your wireless network? How many clients are usually connected to one access point?)
 
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:47 am

Maybe they'll solve that with ROS 7.0
ROS 7.0 have new kernel and drivet for chip´s
Yes: ROS v7.0 does have a new Kernel
No: ROS v7.0 does have the same Wireless drivers as ROS v6, i.e. MikroTik programs its own Wireless drivers and doesn't use the drivers provided by the vendors of the Chipsets (e.g. Broadcom, Qualcomm,...)
Those vendors drivers have everything ready to use, even 802.11ax features, nowadays:
- DL & UL OFDMA
- DL MU-MIMO
- BSS Coloring
- TWT
- TxBF

As of 01/2020 we are all still waiting for DL MU-MIMO for our 802.11ac (Wave 2) chipset based MikroTik Access Points: cAP ac, hAP ac2, RB4011,...
Only one single developer from MikroTik "Reinis" knows when he will finish his own implementation of MU-MIMO ...
 
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:29 pm

Only one single developer from MikroTik "Reinis" knows when he will finish his own implementation of MU-MIMO ...
I really REALLY hope this is not true, that just one developer is responsible for all wireless drivers in ROS.
 
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:41 pm

Only one single developer from MikroTik "Reinis" knows when he will finish his own implementation of MU-MIMO ...
I really REALLY hope this is not true, that just one developer is responsible for all wireless drivers in ROS.
Beside Normis who doesn't belong to the developer Team I think, only Reinis talked about MU-MIMO 6 months ago:
What is the current status of wave 2 features in Mikrotik wireless drivers?
Most of the features are implemented, but MU-MIMO is WIP
 
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:02 pm

Only one single developer from MikroTik "Reinis" knows when he will finish his own implementation of MU-MIMO ...
Why only one?
You got any internal info that's so bad?
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:21 pm

Only one single developer from MikroTik "Reinis" knows when he will finish his own implementation of MU-MIMO ...
Why only one?
You got any internal info that's so bad?
Look into changelogs and see how many entries are for wireless. If there would be a bigger team only for wireless I would guess they have to argue progress.
 
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:03 pm

Only one single developer from MikroTik "Reinis" knows when he will finish his own implementation of MU-MIMO ...
So we need wait him? All russia regions need MU-MIMO in mikrotik device )
 
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:33 am

Reinis is not a developer :)
No answer to your question? How to write posts
 
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:07 pm

Thanks for this very helpful answer.
Would be nice to have an answer that actually has some value
Reinis is not a developer :)
 
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:55 pm

Thanks for this very helpful answer.
Would be nice to have an answer that actually has some value
Reinis is not a developer :)
+ 1
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:31 am

You should know by now, that MikroTik doesn't leak unannounced products in the forum. At least intentionally.
Such things get announced in newsletters and MUM events.
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Re: IEEE 802.11ac (wave 2)

Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:24 pm

Reinis is not a developer :)
1. normis isn´t a developer, either.
2. So let´s ask nOoNe about the status of MU-MIMO implementation.

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