https://fccid.io/TV7RBD52-5ACD2NDWhat is the fcc id?
that's mmips.Probably same processor as in hEX?
Why would it be triple chain? Model name suggests 2x2 2.4/5 GHz.RBD52G-5HacD2HnD-TC just popped up on FCC web site.
they refer to it as hap ac^2
it is supported already by 6.40.4, i found no data on cpu, could be one like the Qualcomm IPQ-40xx maybe but neither of them is triple chain: https://www.qualcomm.com/products/ipq4019
I suspect a whole slew of new ARM based products will be announced at the EU MUM in April.
Products we know for sure:
cAP ac
hAP ac2
SXTsq ac
LHG 5ac
Products I think we may see, in order of likeliness:
CCR grade router with 64bit ARM processor and multiple "next-gen" interfaces, e.g. SFP28, QSFP28
RB2011 replacement with ARM processor (possibly something along the lines of the CRS109 but with ARM CPU)
Omnitik ac2
mANTBox 15/19 ac2
BaseBox/Netmetal ac2
RB M33 type board with ARM processor
RB M11 type board with ARM processor
wAP ac2
i mistook the last TC - probably a freudian slip - as the first gen hAP ac was triple chain on both bands.RBD52G-5HacD2HnD-TC just popped up on FCC web site.
Why would it be triple chain? Model name suggests 2x2 2.4/5 GHz.
I don't disagree.They better start with ROS7 in this year, ARM Products only badly supported, and Wave 2 Chipsets are buggy with ROS6
Can you give me an example of a package that is not multicore capable ?most Packages are not multicore capable
Not package, but BGP, BW test and other ale single core...Can you give me an example of a package that is not multicore capable ?
On the BW test point, I agree it would be great if Mikrotik split the individual tests into seperate threads.Not package, but BGP, BW test and other ale single core...Can you give me an example of a package that is not multicore capable ?
@normis is there anything on the horizon that will help offset the shortcomings of current CCRs in terms of BGP performance aside from ROS7/multi-threading?Excellent comment, nz_monkey. Thanks for clarifying it for others, much appreciated.
i've been thinking a bit.Excellent comment, nz_monkey. Thanks for clarifying it for others, much appreciated.
So is that confirmation that you are actively working on v7 and it is not just a pipe dream? I presume it would be needed if the next generation of products are to be sold.Except what nz_monkey wrote ... we are implementing much faster BGP in v7. Not multi-threaded, because of reasons that were outlined, but much faster.
Looks like that if you mention V7 information, you have to deny it immediately. Do you have an internal ban on anything to say?Some parts are ready in v7, some parts are not nearly ready. We can't release only the good parts. Those we can sometimes backport. If we backport enough stuff, there is no more need for v7 though
TILE-Mx100 CPU looks like the logical successor the the current Tile-Gx? => http://www.ezchip.com/files/drim__EZchi ... 5_7671.pdfCCR grade router with 64bit ARM processor and multiple "next-gen" interfaces, e.g. SFP28, QSFP28
EZchip was bought out by Mellanox, I am not sure if they are developing the Tilera platform anymore. What we need to high clock speed, a reasonable number of cores, 4 - 16.TILE-Mx100 CPU looks like the logical successor the the current Tile-Gx? => http://www.ezchip.com/files/drim__EZchi ... 5_7671.pdf
I personally hope that the new CCR's are based on Cavium Octeon TX and TX2.TILE-Mx100 CPU looks like the logical successor the the current Tile-Gx? => http://www.ezchip.com/files/drim__EZchi ... 5_7671.pdfCCR grade router with 64bit ARM processor and multiple "next-gen" interfaces, e.g. SFP28, QSFP28
Storage size 16 MB!!!!hAP ac² - CPU is IPQ-4018 716 MHz
PDF: https://uloz.to/!KboRhNGccV6O/en-datash ... -tower-pdf
it may sound lame, but you can pop an usb pen into it and have a storage size according to your needs. you can get real compact ones, or just pick a micro sized microsd adapter from ebayStorage size 16 MB!!!!
yet another 16MB flash device...
dual chain wireless vs triple chain for hAP acThe hAP ac2 is missing a few features that the hAP ac had:
- PoE out on ether5
- SFP port
You don´t need NV2 for home AP....New wireless hardware without a deep software revision of the NV2 is useless.......
but given the fact that Mikrotik uses a "single set of software features across the entire routerboard product family" you'll have it anyway.You don´t need NV2 for home AP....New wireless hardware without a deep software revision of the NV2 is useless.......
that is the right. although most home use cases are just fine with 100Mbps, you can't really compete without GE ports nowadays.It feels more like a replacement/upgrade on the hap ac lite.
by those specifications, it fits between hAP ac lite and hAP acThe hAP ac2 is missing a few features that the hAP ac had:
- PoE out on ether5
- SFP port
Damn that german shop should be banned for that one
I´m not the shop owner.....Damn that german shop should be banned for that one
That I am interested most is whether I can run a CAP AC behind another CAP AC powered by the first CAP AC?
Well, I was not sure because PoE+ and passive PoE is kind of mixed within the datasheet. Is the 48POW https://mikrotik.com/product/48POW the right choice or should both CAP ac devices powered with PoE+?Yes you can do so with CAPac, sum up the needed Power an buy needed Powersupply
Mikrotik announced the new products at the Philippines MUM, so Meconet are not doing anything wrong.Damn that german shop should be banned for that one
As i see, hAP ac² have table "IPsec test results". It's mean that IPsec hardware encryption already works in this router. Also it have Reset/WPS button and Wave2 wireless chip.What I would love to see is a hAP AC with IPsec Hardware encryption and with a dedicated WPS button.
I agree this will be a great seller.This product seems more balanced than hAP ac. So i think it will be a new bestseller from mikrotik.
What's new in 6.41 (2017-Dec-22 11:55):+ Wave2 wireless chip (but will it be supported by software?)
I am excited to see this model. I am glad it has the same antenna gain as the 1st gen hAP AC. Great work Mikrotik!As i see, hAP ac² have table "IPsec test results". It's mean that IPsec hardware encryption already works in this router. Also it have Reset/WPS button and Wave2 wireless chip.What I would love to see is a hAP AC with IPsec Hardware encryption and with a dedicated WPS button.
So we have (with comparison with hAP ac):
- SFP port
- PoE Out
- one wireless chain
+ IPsec hardware encryption
+ Wave2 wireless chip (but will it be supported by software?)
+ more powerfull CPU
This product seems more balanced than hAP ac. So i think it will be a new bestseller from mikrotik.
That's my intention too. The price, features and performance are unbeatable. Just microSD slot is missing for dude database.Going to switch my RB750Gr3 + 3rd party AC AP with this device.
Still will be dealbreaker if you replace from some UBNT AP i suppose. Still will cover much smaller space from UAPs.Going to switch my RB750Gr3 + 3rd party AC AP with this device.
This claim is meaningless without any supporting evidence or documentation. On paper the Mikrotik specifications are better than the equivalent Ubiquiti. They have higher transmit power (although lower is often used for commercial deployments) and they list better receiver sensitivity than a competing Cisco AP. Ubiquiti doesn't publish that information.Still will be dealbreaker if you replace from some UBNT AP i suppose. Still will cover much smaller space from UAPs.Going to switch my RB750Gr3 + 3rd party AC AP with this device.
2x Cavium ThunderX_NT in next gen router with 2x 48 cores would be interesting: https://cavium.com/pdfFiles/ThunderX_NT_PB_Rev1.pdf?x=2I personally hope that the new CCR's are based on Cavium Octeon TX and TX2.
OK let discuss like this. I previously used HAP AC and Rb951G-2hnd and RB951Ui-2hnd and RB2011UiAS-2HnD and still signal was week comparing with UAP AC PRO that using now for example. On paper maybe Mikrotik is better, but fact telling me that maybe Mikrotik is better in OpenSpace, and UAP is better in homes with many walls and in closed space. My current setup is RB750Gr3 + UAP AC PRO and im happy with it.This claim is meaningless without any supporting evidence or documentation. On paper the Mikrotik specifications are better than the equivalent Ubiquiti. They have higher transmit power (although lower is often used for commercial deployments) and they list better receiver sensitivity than a competing Cisco AP. Ubiquiti doesn't publish that information.Still will be dealbreaker if you replace from some UBNT AP i suppose. Still will cover much smaller space from UAPs.Going to switch my RB750Gr3 + 3rd party AC AP with this device.
They will post ARM based 3011 soon i suppose. Its been too long time until 2011 was presented.New ARM hardware with wifi fills me with hope we'll see an RB3011 with wifi and a desktop case, but it seems very unlikely.
I'm not an engineer but it appears that the antenna on the UAP-AC-PRO is superior to the Rb951G-2hnd and RB2011UiAS-2HnD, as listed in the internal photos section for all three models on fccid.io. Let's hope the hAP ac² has a new antenna design.OK let discuss like this. I previously used HAP AC and Rb951G-2hnd and RB951Ui-2hnd and RB2011UiAS-2HnD and still signal was week comparing with UAP AC PRO that using now for example. On paper maybe Mikrotik is better, but fact telling me that maybe Mikrotik is better in OpenSpace, and UAP is better in homes with many walls and in closed space. My current setup is RB750Gr3 + UAP AC PRO and im happy with it.This claim is meaningless without any supporting evidence or documentation. On paper the Mikrotik specifications are better than the equivalent Ubiquiti. They have higher transmit power (although lower is often used for commercial deployments) and they list better receiver sensitivity than a competing Cisco AP. Ubiquiti doesn't publish that information.Still will be dealbreaker if you replace from some UBNT AP i suppose. Still will cover much smaller space from UAPs.Going to switch my RB750Gr3 + 3rd party AC AP with this device.
100% Agreed !Yeah the antenna in the UAP-AC-Pro is very large. The UAP-AC-Pro design maximises antenna gain, which will improve RX sensitivity, which in my opinion is a better approach than using high TX power which just results in the "lighthouse" effect..
The hAP ac2 and cAP ac look to have Mikrotik's traditional antenna designs, so don't expect any miracles.
I've been reviewing more FCC photos and it appears that only the CAP and WAP models have larger antenna. The other models seem to have small antenna or have fake antenna stenciled into the circuit board. Let's hope the new models have improved antenna designs as it would be worth a small increase in cost. Thanks for your insight.100% Agreed !Yeah the antenna in the UAP-AC-Pro is very large. The UAP-AC-Pro design maximises antenna gain, which will improve RX sensitivity, which in my opinion is a better approach than using high TX power which just results in the "lighthouse" effect..
The hAP ac2 and cAP ac look to have Mikrotik's traditional antenna designs, so don't expect any miracles.
For that im telling that HAP AC 2 will be better sollution then HAP AC. Its useless to have 3x3 AC when CPU dont support it.. It maxes on 600 mbps. Also SFP input, only a few users use Optical gpon in their houses. Its useless to put more money on unit that is overprices. New HAP ac 2 will be best option for most of peoples.Currently have a pair of hAP ac, looking forward to upgrade to a pair of hAP ac 2 for their faster CPUs.
I'm not using poe and SFP, and 3x3 in hAP ac.
You can get PCIe cards or USB adapters with even 4 antennas.Its useless to have 3x3 AC when there's pretty much no client devices with 3 antennas.
totally agree, y prefer same power 2x2 than 3x3 , you get farther coverageThe Wave 2 in the wifi card is probably more valuable than triple chain anyway.
totally agreeeFor that im telling that HAP AC 2 will be better sollution then HAP AC. Its useless to have 3x3 AC when CPU dont support it.. It maxes on 600 mbps. Also SFP input, only a few users use Optical gpon in their houses. Its useless to put more money on unit that is overprices. New HAP ac 2 will be best option for most of peoples.Currently have a pair of hAP ac, looking forward to upgrade to a pair of hAP ac 2 for their faster CPUs.
I'm not using poe and SFP, and 3x3 in hAP ac.
https://mikrotik.com/products/compare/R ... acD2HnD-TC
yes but hap ac2 cost almost halfs thats a game changerDont expect too much. Will be sumilar like HAP AC.
Just use the whole 5GHz band lolWhat's new in 6.41 (2017-Dec-22 11:55):+ Wave2 wireless chip (but will it be supported by software?)
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well, for P2P connections it does make sense to me.Just use the whole 5GHz band lol!) wireless - new driver with initial support for 160 and 80+80 MHz channel width; <- this
fortunately using 160mhz on 5ghz wifi you dont get too far in distanceJust use the whole 5GHz band lolWhat's new in 6.41 (2017-Dec-22 11:55):+ Wave2 wireless chip (but will it be supported by software?)
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Well hAP AC2 is announced using 3W more and does not even have an SFP socket which is itself allowed to draw up to 2 Watts.3x3 its rarely used and make the equipment far more expensive and power hungry