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CRS328-24P-4S+RM - 24x7 fans or temperature sensitive?

Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:33 pm

Thinking about getting a CRS328-24P-4S+RM rather than the CRS326 I had planned, but I am concerned the fans might be noisy if there are two and they run 24x7.

Can anyone advise if they are temperature sensitive like the CRS317?

I will not be using much of the PoE capacity, but going with 328 over CRS326 and an 8 port PoE is about the same price and gets me 4x SFP+ ports, so I hope with low power the fans don't run?
 
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Re: CRS328-24P-4S+RM - 24x7 fans or temperature sensitive?

Sat May 05, 2018 9:59 am

From early/short testing I can say this device is silent/no fan noise at all with 2 Poe devices (24V & 48V) when running RouterOS, however rebooting the device in SWOS 2.7 it instantly wakes and continuously runs the FAN (even without POE load).
 
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Re: CRS328-24P-4S+RM - 24x7 fans or temperature sensitive?

Sat May 05, 2018 12:26 pm

Thanks for the feedback. Support also replied that the fans are temperature sensitive, but interesting to know that swOS has problems with the fan control. Not ordered one yet but it does perfectly fit what I need (apart from not physically fitting in my wall mount rack...)

You can probably do everything with routeros now they have he hw offload, it’s just not as simple...
 
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Re: CRS328-24P-4S+RM - 24x7 fans or temperature sensitive?

Mon May 07, 2018 9:59 am

FANs speed depends from the PoE load, so in your case, if a very little PoE load will be used, you will hardly hear the FANs. About the SwOS - The FAN control is set to spin at least with middle speed, so it just not as advanced as in the RouterOS, but we plan to add the same FAN speed control to next SwOS releases.
 
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Re: CRS328-24P-4S+RM - 24x7 fans or temperature sensitive?

Fri May 11, 2018 4:21 pm

I just received my CRS328 and I'm testing it now with 3 10Gb SFP and one POEaf device. My fans are audible for about 30 seconds, then quiet for 30 seconds, and so on ...

Pretty annoying while testing. Eventually this will go in a rack and out of my office. It'd be nice if I could just have the fans run.

Just before fan turns on:
     cpu-temperature: 40C
   power-consumption: 2.2W
  board-temperature1: 33C
        psu1-voltage: 26.5V
        psu2-voltage: 52.8V
        psu1-current: 0A
        psu2-current: 0A
          fan1-speed: 0RPM
          fan2-speed: 0RPM

Just after fan turns off:
     cpu-temperature: 38C
   power-consumption: 2.2W
  board-temperature1: 33C
        psu1-voltage: 26.5V
        psu2-voltage: 52.8V
        psu1-current: 0A
        psu2-current: 0A
          fan1-speed: 4455RPM
          fan2-speed: 4290RPM
Assuming that when temp hits 41C fans on, fans off when it drops to 38C
 
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Re: CRS328-24P-4S+RM - 24x7 fans or temperature sensitive?

Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:00 pm

Has the fan speeds gotten resolved yet? I was looking at buying something like this, and might use a single AP on POE, but would probably have just used the SWOS. The other Mikrotik I have is fanless but only has 2 sfp+, and wanted another 24 port with 4 sfp+
 
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Re: CRS328-24P-4S+RM - 24x7 fans or temperature sensitive?

Thu Aug 09, 2018 3:18 pm

Has the fan speeds gotten resolved yet? I was looking at buying something like this, and might use a single AP on POE, but would probably have just used the SWOS. The other Mikrotik I have is fanless but only has 2 sfp+, and wanted another 24 port with 4 sfp+
Same question. What noise level of this device. Buy Cisco SG300-28p its very loud. Want to have more information regarding fan model in this model. Who know, please help.
 
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Re: CRS328-24P-4S+RM - 24x7 fans or temperature sensitive?

Fri Aug 31, 2018 1:09 pm

I have the same problem with this model.
The fan switches on and off quickly.
 
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Re: CRS328-24P-4S+RM - 24x7 fans or temperature sensitive?

Sat Sep 01, 2018 2:00 am

So yeah, I bought one and even in ROS the fans stop, start, stop, start etc, running latest release FW with just one POE device pulling 5w worst case (IR at night).

Hoping next FW has higher threshold for fans or options to tune.

I would class the fan noise as annoying, but not data centre switch loud. It’s about the same as my netgear 724t with noctua fan.
 
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Re: CRS328-24P-4S+RM - 24x7 fans or temperature sensitive?

Sat Sep 01, 2018 5:06 pm

Same here, just having the CRS connected on one port to another switch it runs around 38-42 °C with the fan turning on and off all the time.

Very annoying. I rather prefer the fan running all the time or which would be less annoying.
 
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Re: CRS328-24P-4S+RM - 24x7 fans or temperature sensitive?

Sun Sep 02, 2018 3:56 pm

Or set fan RPM so they run half speed all the time. Mines in a wall cabinet, but no front door and plenty of air flow so my feeling is threshold of 40c is a bit low for real world, could do with tuning a few C higher...
 
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Re: CRS328-24P-4S+RM - 24x7 fans or temperature sensitive?

Sun Sep 02, 2018 7:43 pm

What's even more strange, the same CPU (fanless) is running in my CRS326-24G at 69°C average. Who was so anxious about the CPU running at 41-42°C to have the fan kicking in at high speed of approx. 4.500 rpm. Why don't just carefully increase the fan rpm starting at 500 rpm or so at a higher CPU temperature. 41-42°C is more or less a cold CPU.

I'm that annoyed already, that I likely send it back the next days. Would MikroTik announce a solution for it I would hold on the device since I like the specs.
 
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Re: CRS328-24P-4S+RM - 24x7 fans or temperature sensitive?

Sun Sep 02, 2018 11:56 pm

I would imagine its not the CPU but the cooling of all the POE parts that require the fans? as you note the CRS326 is fanless.

I am sure there can be a fix, I have not tried SwOS yet, I might try that as I am only switching but I think SwOS only got fan support working in 2.8 just released.

I am sure some Noctua fans would make a big difference, not enough of a problem to send it back for me as I need the POE and CRS112 is not what I need (and need 2* PSU for passive and at support) and costs over half the price I got the 328 for anyway in the recent eBay sale. You can't have 500w POE budget an no fans... although it would be nice!
 
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Re: CRS328-24P-4S+RM - 24x7 fans or temperature sensitive?

Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:08 pm

I agree, that likely the CPU won't need the fans, nevertheless MikroTik does control the fan speed via the CPU temperature.

I also agree that I you don't find another POE switch with similar features/performance at that price point. I likely will give the Noctua fans a try.
 
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Re: CRS328-24P-4S+RM - 24x7 fans or temperature sensitive?

Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:44 pm

For reasons unknown my fans just seem to run 24*7 now even when cpu cool, very strange.
 > system health print
     cpu-temperature: 34C
   power-consumption: 4.2W
  board-temperature1: 27C
        psu1-voltage: 26.4V
        psu2-voltage: 52.6V
        psu1-current: 0A
        psu2-current: 0A
          fan1-speed: 4020RPM
          fan2-speed: 3990RPM
Quieter fans could be the answer... adding more PoE devices soon so see what effect that has.
 
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Re: CRS328-24P-4S+RM - 24x7 fans or temperature sensitive?

Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:44 am

I agree, that likely the CPU won't need the fans, nevertheless MikroTik does control the fan speed via the CPU temperature.

I also agree that I you don't find another POE switch with similar features/performance at that price point. I likely will give the Noctua fans a try.
Please note that Noctua fans have significantly lower airflow and waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay lower static pressure than stock MikroTik fans. I'm not sure if I'd do such thing with device used for production viewtopic.php?f=3&t=138924

Also like I mentioned in thread it'd be nice if CLI options for fan control actually worked. Because there are such settings in ROS CLI under /system routerboard
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Re: CRS328-24P-4S+RM - 24x7 fans or temperature sensitive?

Mon Sep 10, 2018 1:36 am

Just got one CRS328. At the moment, runing SWOS 2.8, the fans are stopped and CPU at 68C.
This changes as soon as I start using POE - tested powering one CSS326-24G-2S+. Then I get the on/off fan behavior.
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Re: CRS328-24P-4S+RM - 24x7 fans or temperature sensitive?

Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:31 pm

Update: Started testing the switch. As soon as I got the second SFP+ link up, the fans started the on/off behavior. With just one ethernet and one SFP+ only they didn't run at all.. With one ethernet and two SFP+ they start/stop all the time.
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Re: CRS328-24P-4S+RM - 24x7 fans or temperature sensitive?

Thu Sep 13, 2018 11:12 pm

I have now "switched" (see what I did there) over to SwOS 2.9 and the fans just seem to run 24x7, but at least its consistent.
 
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Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:07 am

I have now "switched" (see what I did there) over to SwOS 2.9 and the fans just seem to run 24x7, but at least its consistent.
Do we have SwOS2.9 already? I only see 2.8 at the download page.
 
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Re: CRS328-24P-4S+RM - 24x7 fans or temperature sensitive?

Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:08 am

That’s what it offered as an upgrade, it only had 3 fixes over 2.8 but one of those was 1gbit sfp in crs328 so I applied if.
 
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Fri Sep 14, 2018 1:51 pm

That’s what it offered as an upgrade, it only had 3 fixes over 2.8 but one of those was 1gbit sfp in crs328 so I applied if.
Do you use an 10Gb SFP+ fiber link? If so, do You have problems with Rx MAC Errors and Rx FCS Errors?
 
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Re: CRS328-24P-4S+RM - 24x7 fans or temperature sensitive?

Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:16 pm

I rebooted it earlier and noticed in winbox it reports as v2.8?! Will Check when I have tome in the GUI.

I plan to use the 10gbit port with fibre, but I am waiting for longer cables to arrive to put through the house so can’t comment yet, I saw the thread on it.

EDIT Ok the Upgrade tab in SwOS shows:
What's new in v2.9:

*) CRS326 & CRS328 & CRS317: make sure that RSTP BPDU packets are always untagged;
*) CRS328-4C-20S-4S+: make 1G fiber SFP modules work;

What's new in v2.8:
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So I didn't dream it... I can't "download and upgrade" at the moment as there is traffic through the switch but I was sure I pushed the button on the other day already ?!
 
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Re: CRS328-24P-4S+RM - 24x7 fans or temperature sensitive?

Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:10 pm

This is... weird. I can see, too, the version 2.9 - but I only get the 2.8 as available. Maybe a cosmetic bug?
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Re: CRS328-24P-4S+RM - 24x7 fans or temperature sensitive?

Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:26 pm

Yes but notice how the build date is different for the two 2.8 versions in your screenshot, installed and available.
 
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Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:35 pm

Yes but notice how the build date is different for the two 2.8 versions in your screenshot, installed and available.
Yes. That's weird too. I think I'll give it a try.
 
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Re: CRS328-24P-4S+RM - 24x7 fans or temperature sensitive?

Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:51 pm

No luck. I tried the upgrade, and got version 2.7p. Yes, 2.7p, not 2.7. Hit the upgrade again, but It got stuck on 2.7p. Downloaded 2.8 from site, and everything is back to normal. Didn't even had to restore the backup.
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Re: CRS328-24P-4S+RM - 24x7 fans or temperature sensitive?

Sat Sep 15, 2018 12:14 am

Looks like SwOS 2.8 have some problems with 10Gb <-> 1Gb traffic. Tested with RoS 6.43 and SwOS 2.8 (same hardware, just booted one or other), and got this results:

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Re: CRS328-24P-4S+RM - 24x7 fans or temperature sensitive?

Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:18 pm

Today's latest weirdness:
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Not sure I believe these fans of 14K, plus the board is not in a fridge...
 
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Re: CRS328-24P-4S+RM - 24x7 fans or temperature sensitive?

Sun Nov 25, 2018 2:10 am

Mine is running v6.42.9 for a few weeks now and was doing the usual fan on/off bounce up to 40C on CPU, but is now stuck on this 24/7 for the last week. I guess it got tired of cycling fans.
cpu-temperature: 24C
   power-consumption: 53.8W
  board-temperature1: 16C
        psu1-voltage: 26.5V
        psu2-voltage: 52.7V
        psu1-current: 0A
        psu2-current: 1A
          fan1-speed: 3885RPM
          fan2-speed: 3480RPM
 
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Re: CRS328-24P-4S+RM - 24x7 fans or temperature sensitive?

Sun Nov 25, 2018 5:58 pm

Mine is running v6.42.9 for a few weeks now and was doing the usual fan on/off bounce up to 40C on CPU, but is now stuck on this 24/7 for the last week. I guess it got tired of cycling fans.
I can confirm this may happen. I have CRS317 and it also sometimes just gets stuck and stops spinning down fans. I don't know if it's some deadlock in code or it's intended though.
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Re: CRS328-24P-4S+RM - 24x7 fans or temperature sensitive?

Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:24 pm

I can confirm strange fans management on CRS317 under ROS too.
Stuck with always ON for the last days, but cpu temperature is 29C.
 
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Re: CRS328-24P-4S+RM - 24x7 fans or temperature sensitive?

Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:39 pm

Just hooked one up for testing. As soon as I applied power the fans spun up. After about 20 seconds... they stopped.
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Re: CRS328-24P-4S+RM - 24x7 fans or temperature sensitive?

Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:58 pm

Just hooked one up for testing. As soon as I applied power the fans spun up. After about 20 seconds... they stopped.
It's normal. Fans always spin at 100% during booting and they spin down after ROS is up.
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Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:00 pm

Just hooked one up for testing. As soon as I applied power the fans spun up. After about 20 seconds... they stopped.
Try wait for 2+ days without reboot, fans will turn on, regardless cool temperature.
 
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Re: CRS328-24P-4S+RM - 24x7 fans or temperature sensitive?

Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:53 pm

Just hooked one up for testing. As soon as I applied power the fans spun up. After about 20 seconds... they stopped.
Try wait for 2+ days without reboot, fans will turn on, regardless cool temperature.
Mine has few weeks uptime and they spin-up-down-up-down properly (triggered by temp). Though I did experience lockup once. But only once. Since then device was rebooted several times but lockup never occurred again.
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Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:44 am

Just hooked one up for testing. As soon as I applied power the fans spun up. After about 20 seconds... they stopped.
Try wait for 2+ days without reboot, fans will turn on, regardless cool temperature.
Mine has few weeks uptime and they spin-up-down-up-down properly (triggered by temp). Though I did experience lockup once. But only once. Since then device was rebooted several times but lockup never occurred again.
This happens only if the temperature is below 40 (fans must be off).
 
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Re: CRS328-24P-4S+RM - 24x7 fans or temperature sensitive?

Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:36 am

Better they stay on, than stay off (when it all get red hot, temps are reported wrong for the board as well)

Given the risk of hardware damage, I am amazed MikroTik have taken so long to fix SwOS...
 
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Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:50 am

Better they stay on, than stay off
I agree.
However, my previuous report with "unexpected crash when interface list has include itself and renamed to other name before saving" was resolved as quickly as possible, about 2 weeks and fixed in current stable ROS.
 
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Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:34 pm

Better they stay on, than stay off
I agree.
However, my previuous report with "unexpected crash when interface list has include itself and renamed to other name before saving" was resolved as quickly as possible, about 2 weeks and fixed in current stable ROS.
I wouldn't expect quick fix with fans though. After all there are fan related settings iirc in /system health that don't work for like half a year now.
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When I switched to SwitchOS the fans stayed on. After I updated the OS... they spun down.

Switched back to RouterOS and left it on over night on the bench. When I got here this morning... the fans are off.
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Re: CRS328-24P-4S+RM - 24x7 fans or temperature sensitive?

Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:28 am

Hi,
I upgraded from ROS 6.43.8 (stable) to 6.44beta61 .

The fans now run on lower frequency and are relatively silent, but turn up and down all the time on low usage, which is a quite annoying whining high pitch sound.

I look for a setting which either allows the switch to run on higher temperature or have constant running fans on slow speed.

The available commands
[admin@MikroTik] > /system health set 
cpu-overtemp-check          cpu-overtemp-threshold  fan-on-threshold  heater-control    psu1-state  use-fan
cpu-overtemp-startup-delay  fan-mode                fan-switch        heater-threshold  psu2-state  
seem useless.
Is this a feature or do I miss some documentation?

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Re: CRS328-24P-4S+RM - 24x7 fans or temperature sensitive?

Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:46 pm

Hi,
I upgraded from ROS 6.43.8 (stable) to 6.44beta61 .

The fans now run on lower frequency and are relatively silent, but turn up and down all the time on low usage, which is a quite annoying whining high pitch sound.

I look for a setting which either allows the switch to run on higher temperature or have constant running fans on slow speed.

The available commands
[admin@MikroTik] > /system health set 
cpu-overtemp-check          cpu-overtemp-threshold  fan-on-threshold  heater-control    psu1-state  use-fan
cpu-overtemp-startup-delay  fan-mode                fan-switch        heater-threshold  psu2-state  
seem useless.
Is this a feature or do I miss some documentation?

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No it doesn't seem to work. I tried to use it on CRS317. Someone brought up this CLI section on forum quite a while ago but I've never seen anyone successfully using it. It's probably /* TODO: implement later */ kind of thing...
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Re: CRS328-24P-4S+RM - 24x7 fans or temperature sensitive?

Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:25 am

Hi,

I see this topic is several month old already. I'm wondering if fan control is already solved.

I also want to buy want into my home office to feed my 8 POE security cameras (roughly 7W / camera). All the other devices would be non-POE.

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Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:02 am

Still broken, no word from support on when a fix is coming.

Fans just go into full speed, fault light comes on, but monitoring shows no error and default rpm.
 
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Re: CRS328-24P-4S+RM - 24x7 fans or temperature sensitive?

Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:46 am

That's bad. Then this device is not fit into my environment unfortunately.
There is no any device with passive cooling from any vendor, right?
 
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Re: CRS328-24P-4S+RM - 24x7 fans or temperature sensitive?

Mon Apr 22, 2019 2:49 pm

I had the same issue and changed from SwOS to RouterOS which resolved the fan issue I was having. I had a thread here somewhere about it.

At the moment it's running perfectly on 6.44. as it's a core switch I haven't had a chance to update it in a while.
 
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Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:18 pm

Sounds good!
One more question: does this also mean that if I have only a limited POE power request (8 devices with max 7 Watt/port) then my device won't turn on the fans? How it goes in your case?
 
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Mon Apr 22, 2019 8:18 pm

There is no any device with passive cooling from any vendor, right?

You might be better served with two CRS112. I use one for my PoE equipment. Very happy with it. Note you'll also need to purchase the 48POW or the 48V2A96W.
 
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Mon Apr 22, 2019 8:42 pm

There is no any device with passive cooling from any vendor, right?

You might be better served with two CRS112. I use one for my PoE equipment. Very happy with it. Note you'll also need to purchase the 48POW or the 48V2A96W.
You can mount two CRS112 in 1U right? Since they're exactly half U?
MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCINE

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