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The new CCR ALL-in-One PoE router of the 2019 line

Tue May 15, 2018 11:08 pm

CCR ALL-in-One PoE.png
For Home / SOHO / SMB, in case you want to connect everything using one device.
Suitable for connecting access points, ip cameras and other PoE devices.

It is produced in the following modifications:
CCR ALL-in-One 8PoE - 8 port 100/1000/2.5GBase-T with PoE Out 802.3af/af/bt support
CCR ALL-in-One 16PoE - 16 port 100/1000/2.5GBase-T with PoE Out 802.3af/at/bt support
CCR ALL-in-One 24PoE - 24 port 100/1000/2.5GBase-T with PoE Out 802.3af/af/bt support

If you need it, and you want to change something in it - write here.

p.s.
to reduce the price you can opt out of 2.5GBase-T
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Re: The new CCR ALL-in-One PoE router of the 2019 line

Tue May 15, 2018 11:21 pm

Really now? CCR isnt the kind of router intended for what you are looking for.
 
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Re: The new CCR ALL-in-One PoE router of the 2019 line

Tue May 15, 2018 11:26 pm

Really now? CCR isnt the kind of router intended for what you are looking for.
If it is the only router in the network - why not CCR?
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Re: The new CCR ALL-in-One PoE router of the 2019 line

Wed May 16, 2018 4:22 am

Really now? CCR isnt the kind of router intended for what you are looking for.
If it is the only router in the network - why not CCR?
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Re: The new CCR ALL-in-One PoE router of the 2019 line

Wed May 16, 2018 9:34 pm

Really now? CCR isnt the kind of router intended for what you are looking for.
If it is the only router in the network - why not CCR?
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get a router plus a switch
Yes, for SMB/Enterprise switch + router - great option

But, for HOME / SOHO - you need a single device - performing two functions. We need a simple approach without any difficulties.
One device - all functions !!!
Or do you prefer to have communication cabinets at home? :) :) :)
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Re: The new CCR ALL-in-One PoE router of the 2019 line

Thu May 17, 2018 12:12 am

Or do you prefer to have communication cabinets at home? :) :) :)
I do have one (small 9U), it's very useful thing, every home should have it. :)

And all-in-one devices, I don't know. They are nice, they give this enormous sense of effectivity. On one hand, as a home user, I'd just love combined router/switch/server/NAS/whatever in neat case, one beatiful little (sort of) device able to handle everything. But it's not all that practical. All those parts age differently and you'll always hit the limit of one before the others. And then what, throw the whole device out and buy another? Plus if something happens, whole device dying at once is not good either.

There are similar problems even with much less crazy combinations, e.g. just router + switch. I have 24 port gigabit switch at home. I have it about four years (when I upgraded from 100M) and with a little luck, it will last forever. Maybe I'll exchange it for faster model ten years from now, if I feel like it, but I don't think there will be too much pressure to do so. Router is different, what I need depends mainly on internet connection, and it changes relatively often.

I could buy your dream device, if it existed, and be set for ten years for sure, but it would be overkill for foreseeable future. But I'm a consumer, I like big bang for a buck. And this doesn't sound cheap, it could be $1000 device or even more, and I wouldn't just buy such thing because it's nice, when some 24-port switch plus MikroTik's hEX for ~$250 total can satisfy me (for now; few years later I'd fix possible future bottleneck by buying newer hEX equivalent for same cheap price). And I like networks and MikroTik devices. Try to sell it to home user who doesn't.

So personally, if user has humble requirements, lets say up to 8 ports, combined device seems fine, it's more like just a router with few extra ports almost for free. But if there's need for more, I'd rather go with separate devices.
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Re: The new CCR ALL-in-One PoE router of the 2019 line

Thu May 17, 2018 6:52 pm

get a router plus a switch
just imagine a small form factor CCR sitting next to a small form factor CRS.
like the CCR1009 + a CRS2xx, just to get the feeling. but on the CRS we'd need a bit more ports than 8.
mounted side by side to only take up a single RU, and a back-to-back connector on the backside using an 1M DAC cable.

indeed mikrotik could pull this off - the marvell SOCs they use in the crs3xx series support 802.1BR, which stands for port extender... and in this case the switch would be managed from the CCR!
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Re: The new CCR ALL-in-One PoE router of the 2019 line

Thu May 17, 2018 8:51 pm

get a router plus a switch
well, I found myself a switch:
http://us.dlink.com/products/business-s ... 1100-10tp/
Access-Points-700x320.png
well, I found myself a switch:
How can I connect it to hEX now?
hEX does not have a SFP+ port. hEX uses shitty Passive PoE in.
Why use anything that does not have standards?
There are international standards 802.3af/at/bt - use them and do not invent!

Where is Mikrotik a similar switch?
Why is fucking D-Link a step ahead?
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Re: The new CCR ALL-in-One PoE router of the 2019 line

Thu May 17, 2018 9:07 pm

get a router plus a switch
well, I found myself a switch:
http://us.dlink.com/products/business-s ... 1100-10tp/
Access-Points-700x320.png

well, I found myself a switch:
How can I connect it to hEX now?
hEX does not have a SFP+ port. hEX uses
yes. but hex-s now does have one albeit sfp only. and it does support af/at poe
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Re: The new CCR ALL-in-One PoE router of the 2019 line

Thu May 17, 2018 9:35 pm

get a router plus a switch
well, I found myself a switch:
http://us.dlink.com/products/business-s ... 1100-10tp/
Access-Points-700x320.png

well, I found myself a switch:
How can I connect it to hEX now?
hEX does not have a SFP+ port. hEX uses
yes. but hex-s now does have one albeit sfp only. and it does support af/at poe
Excellent! But this had to be done already in the version RB750Gr3!
You propose to throw my RB750Gr3 to the dump?
In hEX-S again apply fucked Passive PoE Out! What for!!!!! Show me the international standard for Passive PoE - it's not !!!!
And how much time should pass that Mikrotik started using 2.5GBase-T ??? One year, two, three ... infinity?
Mikrotik clearly has problems with the speed of introducing new technologies!
Mikrotik clearly has problems with analyzing the needs of the market!


P.S.
I will become old faster than the company Mikrotik will introduce a new standard .... :)
Why is fucking D-Link a step ahead?
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Re: The new CCR ALL-in-One PoE router of the 2019 line

Thu May 17, 2018 10:27 pm

And how big part of market you represent? :)

Ok, it's probably a little unfair argument, but is it hard to believe that they do know their target group and that this target group is not that much interested in features you want? Because everything has a price, and maybe it makes more sense for them for now to stick with "good old" and cheaper technologies, rather then trying to please small fraction of customers who want something better. Better things will surely come when there's enough demand. I don't watch it very closely, but it looks like things are already changing for POE, more and more MikroTik devices now support active standard.
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Re: The new CCR ALL-in-One PoE router of the 2019 line

Thu May 17, 2018 10:46 pm

And how big part of market you represent? :)

Ok, it's probably a little unfair argument, but is it hard to believe that they do know their target group and that this target group is not that much interested in features you want? Because everything has a price, and maybe it makes more sense for them for now to stick with "good old" and cheaper technologies, rather then trying to please small fraction of customers who want something better. Better things will surely come when there's enough demand. I don't watch it very closely, but it looks like things are already changing for POE, more and more MikroTik devices now support active standard.
802.3af - 2003, 802.3at - 2009 - the implementation takes decades .. ??? :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.3

Mikrotikls is one of the most profitable enterprises in Latvia. They have money. I think they could develop faster!
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Re: The new CCR ALL-in-One PoE router of the 2019 line

Thu May 17, 2018 11:12 pm

When I first discovered MikroTik, they were known here as manufacturer of nice little boards (RB1xx/RB5xx) used mainly by emerging WISPs, wireless hobby networks, etc. And my guess is that big part of their success was affordability, i.e. being relatively cheap. I don't know how much proper active POE solution would have cost back then, but definitely more than passive POE, which does not need anything special. Back then, nobody (with possibly few rare exceptions) who wanted to use these devices had proper active POE infrastructure. So I'd say it was logical choice to use cheaper non-standard passive POE, because it was good enough for given purpose. And it survived until today, because it's still good enough for many customers.
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Re: The new CCR ALL-in-One PoE router of the 2019 line

Fri May 18, 2018 12:00 am

I've surfed the net a bit and found some pricing indication of the highly praised D-Link: one gets 8x 2.5Gbps copper ports + 2x SFP+ ports for $65 ... per port! I think that average Joe Home User can survive by buying a router with 5x 1Gbps copper ports + 1xSFP port for $69 ... per device!
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