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RB4011

Thu Aug 30, 2018 3:51 pm

So... Are we going to talk about it or is it tabu topic? :D

I'm personally quite disappointed with lack of LCD and USB.

NOTE: There's poll related to this thread: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=138969
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Re: RB4011

Thu Aug 30, 2018 4:12 pm

The images released were probably just prototype. I can't see MT negating a feature like the USB from it's mid level tier lineup. LCD I wouldn't blame them from dropping, they're a waste of resource at best.
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Re: RB4011

Thu Aug 30, 2018 4:37 pm

LCDs on Routerboards are particularly sexy. Without one, I can't show RB4011 to my better half. :mrgreen: Neither can I show it to her with LCD ... obviously :wink:
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Re: RB4011

Thu Aug 30, 2018 6:56 pm

LCDs are this tiny "premium" touch that makes device look better than it actually is xD I love them. It's not like they're super useful but they just feel nice. It's not common to see LCD screens in this kind of hardware. F5 puts similar LCDs in their newer appliances that are waaaaay more expensive than mtk.
 
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Re: RB4011

Thu Aug 30, 2018 7:09 pm

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Re: RB4011

Thu Aug 30, 2018 7:27 pm

It doesn't really look like prototype :/ I think there won't be usb for us this time. No 3G backup links :/
 
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Re: RB4011

Thu Aug 30, 2018 7:28 pm

Expected Delivery: October 2018

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Re: RB4011

Thu Aug 30, 2018 7:40 pm

Really hope wifi will perform.
 
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Re: RB4011

Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:04 pm

I wonder what processors will we see in future RB1100 and CCR series, as RBx011 has 4x1.4GHz now...
 
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Re: RB4011

Thu Aug 30, 2018 9:20 pm

I wonder what processors will we see in future RB1100 and CCR series, as RBx011 has 4x1.4GHz now...
Prices are probably estimated but from what resellers suggest RB4011 won't be direct RB2011 successor as it's gonna be priced significantly higher (which obviously makes sense, after all it has the same CPU as RB1100AHx4) so I wouldn't be too enthusiastic. Iirc highest Tile-Gx variant had 100x1.2 Ghz or something so it's probably current limit of CCR capabilities.
 
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Re: RB4011

Thu Aug 30, 2018 9:34 pm

I wonder what processors will we see in future RB1100 and CCR series, as RBx011 has 4x1.4GHz now...
Prices are probably estimated but from what resellers suggest RB4011 won't be direct RB2011 successor as it's gonna be priced significantly higher (which obviously makes sense, after all it has the same CPU as RB1100AHx4) so I wouldn't be too enthusiastic. Iirc highest Tile-Gx variant had 100x1.2 Ghz or something so it's probably current limit of CCR capabilities.
RB3011UiAS-RM --> 179$
RB4011iGS+RM --> ~ 215$
RB1100AHx4 --> 299$

So it is still closer to RB3011 than to RB1100.
And keeping in mind SFP+ port, the price is quite good.
 
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Re: RB4011

Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:13 pm

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So it is still closer to RB3011 than to RB1100.
And keeping in mind SFP+ port, the price is quite good.
Yep. I wonder how it compares to CCRs if we're handling single TCP tunnel. Because single TCP tunnels don't really scale well so ironically this device could perform better with single 10G TCP connection than CCR1009
 
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Re: RB4011

Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:48 pm

Oh boy, it does look ugly with those rack-mount ears attached. Luckily I can close rack's door. I wonder if LCD would suffice to maintain minimum level of sexapeal ...
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Re: RB4011

Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:53 pm

Oh boy, it does look ugly with those rack-mount ears attached. Luckily I can close rack's door. I wonder if LCD would suffice to maintain minimum level of sexapeal ...
Well... At least it's not full width rackmount case that is like idk... 10cm deep or something similarly comical like RB2011 used to be :D It always made everyone in my company giggle a bit when they saw full U1 case that has depth of patchpanel. Especially with Cisco modular beasts around xD This one at least doesn't pretend to be beefy, full U1 router.
 
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Re: RB4011

Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:18 pm

Oh boy, it does look ugly with those rack-mount ears attached.
It's a pretty clever way of combining rack-mount capability and desktop case into the same product. Not exactly pretty, but very funktional; I like it.
 
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Re: RB4011

Fri Aug 31, 2018 9:42 am

Oh boy, it does look ugly with those rack-mount ears attached.
It's a pretty clever way of combining rack-mount capability and desktop case into the same product. Not exactly pretty, but very funktional; I like it.
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Re: RB4011

Fri Aug 31, 2018 10:21 am

Oh boy, it does look ugly with those rack-mount ears attached.
It's a pretty clever way of combining rack-mount capability and desktop case into the same product. Not exactly pretty, but very funktional; I like it.
Agree. It'd be much prettier though if the RB itself was almost 1U high (unit height should have been 43.7 mm) instead of only 30mm Those rack-mount ears wouldn't stand out (much). Being positive person I guess lower height of device is on purpose, perhaps to enhance air flow when 10 pieces of 4011 are stacked in rack one immediately above other.

I wonder how would two units, rack-mounted side-by-side (custom rack-mount hardware needed), would look like. I guess ugly as well due to weird (for rack-mounting at least) unit height.
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Re: RB4011

Fri Aug 31, 2018 10:33 am

I wonder how would two units, rack-mounted side-by-side (custom rack-mount hardware needed), would look like. I guess ugly as well due to weird (for rack-mounting at least) unit height.
With 228mm width two of them won't easily fit side-by-side.
 
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Re: RB4011

Fri Aug 31, 2018 10:35 am

Hummm ... used switch chip RTL8367 seems not to support VLAN in hardware. So usability of those 10 ethernet ports will be limited as switched ports when VLANs are in use ... as all the traffic will hit CPU.

It seems like I won't have to defend the level of sex appeal of this unit from my better half after all.
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Re: RB4011

Fri Aug 31, 2018 10:40 am

I wonder how would two units, rack-mounted side-by-side (custom rack-mount hardware needed), would look like. I guess ugly as well due to weird (for rack-mounting at least) unit height.
With 228mm width two of them won't easily fit side-by-side.
Not easy but should be doable ... 19" racks accept 482 mm wide equipment. With two 4011 side-by-side there is some 26 mm of space left for mounting equipment. Both units can be placed tightly close to each other so all the remaining space can be used for the rack-mount ears.
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Re: RB4011

Fri Aug 31, 2018 10:48 am

I wonder how would two units, rack-mounted side-by-side (custom rack-mount hardware needed), would look like. I guess ugly as well due to weird (for rack-mounting at least) unit height.
With 228mm width two of them won't easily fit side-by-side.
Not easy but should be doable ... 19" racks accept 482 mm wide equipment. With two 4011 side-by-side there is some 26 mm of space left for mounting equipment. Both units can be placed tightly close to each other so all the remaining space can be used for the rack-mount ears.
The distance between inner sides of the rails is 450mm.
That means, they will need to sit deeper, and the mount has to be more complicated.
Not sexy at all :lol:
 
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Re: RB4011

Fri Aug 31, 2018 10:57 am

The distance between inner sides of the rails is 450mm.
That means, they will need to sit deeper, and the mount has to be more complicated.
Not sexy at all :lol:
Ah, I never measured the distance between inner sides of rails ... and was referring to (obviously incomplete) web page for dimensions. Bites me :wink:

Ah, well, seems like I'll still use third-party managed rack-mount switch and un-sexy small RB (such as hAP ac2) as router (placed on un-sexy shelf built in the same 19" rack) due to low-end switch-chip that is built in RB4011. :sad:
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Re: RB4011

Fri Aug 31, 2018 11:02 am

Hummm ... used switch chip RTL8367 seems not to support VLAN in hardware. So usability of those 10 ethernet ports will be limited as switched ports when VLANs are in use ... as all the traffic will hit CPU.

It seems like I won't have to defend the level of sex appeal of this unit from my better half after all.
The chip itself supports VLANs.
So the limitations of this switch chip implementation in RB1100 are at some point artificial, or at least not dependant on switch chip only.
 
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Re: RB4011

Fri Aug 31, 2018 11:07 am

The chip itself supports VLANs.
So the limitations of this switch chip implementation in RB1100 are at some point artificial, or at least not dependant on switch chip only.
Right again. So let's hope MT fixes this on RB1100AHx4 before launch of RB4011 ... then the new unit might become more sexy again :wink:
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Re: RB4011

Fri Aug 31, 2018 11:15 am

The chip itself supports VLANs.
So the limitations of this switch chip implementation in RB1100 are at some point artificial, or at least not dependant on switch chip only.
Right again. So let's hope MT fixes this on RB1100AHx4 before launch of RB4011 ... then the new unit might become more sexy again :wink:
I would say, let's hope that MT uses this chips differently on RB4011, as it looks more like a design limitation on RB1100, not something that can be fixed.
 
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Re: RB4011

Fri Aug 31, 2018 12:20 pm

Hmmm Wonder why they did away with the USB and LCD ? USB is great since the facelifted 2011 for those hard to reach places to reach to just write backup config to.LCD is awesome when you use the thing as a type of "managed" fiber converter as you get stats flowing through ISP offloads without needing to log into a machine somewhere and get SNMP stats from it.Could possible be heat or space related ?

I'd be really interested if they do something with a small form factor like that in the style of the CRS106-1C-5S but replace the RJ45's with SFP slots.I have lots of sites that I manage that tends to be a mish mash of fiber and wireless handoffs backhauled via AirFiber and each port usually requires it's own set of shaping/qos.The CRS CPU's are just too slow to do any sort of useful shaping.

That RB4011iGS+5HacQ2HnD-IN is deffo making it into my home to replace some WAP's I got 8) 8) 8)

Really impressed by the forwarding performance.
 
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Re: RB4011

Fri Aug 31, 2018 2:50 pm

according to manual it has 2,4ghz on R11e-2HnD so I assume there is one minipci-e slot underneath?
 
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Re: RB4011

Fri Aug 31, 2018 3:32 pm

I'm actually interested to test this router with a full BGP table given the high clock speed and 10 gig port.

Who knows? Could be a diamond in the rough for a border router ;-)
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Re: RB4011

Fri Aug 31, 2018 3:43 pm

I'm actually interested to test this router with a full BGP table given the high clock speed and 10 gig port.

Who knows? Could be a diamond in the rough for a border router ;-)
The non-WiFi version seems like a polished version of RB1100AHx4 so it should perform similarly ... hopefully they polished not only the case but also some functionality (e.g. VLAN support on switch chip level).
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Re: RB4011

Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:07 pm

I'm actually interested to test this router with a full BGP table given the high clock speed and 10 gig port.

Who knows? Could be a diamond in the rough for a border router ;-)
I'm especially interested in RB4011 vs CCR1009 on single 10G point to point connection. CCR seems to struggle with that.
 
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Re: RB4011

Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:35 pm

Hummm ... used switch chip RTL8367 seems not to support VLAN in hardware. So usability of those 10 ethernet ports will be limited as switched ports when VLANs are in use ... as all the traffic will hit CPU.

It seems like I won't have to defend the level of sex appeal of this unit from my better half after all.
The chip itself supports VLANs.
So the limitations of this switch chip implementation in RB1100 are at some point artificial, or at least not dependant on switch chip only.
The VLANs that the chip support are likely used internally by RouterOS so you can use the ports independently for links and separate networks.
When you configure "ether4" without it being in a bridge, I think RouterOS creates a VLAN of which ether4 is an untagged member and the link to the CPU a tagged member, then in the kernel a VLAN interface is used to talk to ether4. You never get to see this, in your config it is simply ether4 without VLAN.
To be able to support VLANs on ether4, the chip would have to support nested VLANs and the RTL8367 apparently doesn't.
The switch chips used in the older models support this, although sometimes limited. E.g. the Atheros8227 has limited support, it can support tagged VLANs on external ports in wirespeed switching mode but it cannot support "hybrid" ports on which some VLANs are tagged and one is untagged.
The Atheros8327 fully supports it and it can have such hybrid ports and still do wirespeed switching between ports in all the (visible) VLANs.
 
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Re: RB4011

Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:43 pm

I'm personally quite disappointed with lack of LCD and USB.
LCD is mostly a gimmick for me, e.g. my home RB2011 has a switch and a VDSL modem stacked on top and I cannot see the display. I have disabled it.
However, USB is quite useful. At work I have 2 locations where a 4G stick is plugged in the USB port to serve as a backup link in case the main (VDSL) fails.
It is not working well in all router models, though. The power consumption of these sticks is near the limit and sometimes they crash when the coverage is not very good (hence high transmit power required) and a lot of data is transferred.
I would have liked a USB port with guaranteed 1A output current. But now there is no USB port at all, so nothing to worry about :D
 
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Re: RB4011

Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:53 pm

I was planning to upgrade my 2011s and 3011s, but the lack of USB and LCD is a deal breaker for me.
I didn't get the 1100, and it looks I will pass on the 4011 too. Will stick with the 2011 and 3011 untill I can.

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Re: RB4011

Fri Aug 31, 2018 8:59 pm

I was planning to upgrade my 2100s and 3100s, but the lack of USB and LCD is a deal breaker for me.
I didn't get the 1100, and it looks I will pass on the 4100 too. Will stick with the 2100 and 3100 untill I can.
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Fri Aug 31, 2018 10:22 pm

Looks good, never used the USB (this unit does have 512mb on board) and the while the LCD is cool, never really used it accept for show. Might use this for a new 1GB fiber service coming into the area.
 
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Fri Aug 31, 2018 11:24 pm

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none of them actually exist..
Well, not true, I got the 1100 right :D
Fixed them.
 
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Re: RB4011

Sat Sep 01, 2018 1:47 am

I'm personally quite disappointed with lack of LCD and USB.
At work I have 2 locations where a 4G stick is plugged in the USB port to serve as a backup link in case the main (VDSL) fails.
It is not working well in all router models, though. The power consumption of these sticks is near the limit and sometimes they crash when the coverage is not very good (hence high transmit power required) and a lot of data is transferred.
A possible workaround is a mAP-2n serving as an LTE USB bridge or one of the dedicated LTE devices powered by port 10 on the RB4011. Still, given they put a serial port on the RB1100x4 and RB4011 not putting a USB port on is baffling! Is there a header inside one can attach a USB cable to?
 
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Re: RB4011

Sat Sep 01, 2018 2:38 am

Is there a header inside one can attach a USB cable to?
I didn't notice any. If you google 4011 there's some Russian article with photos of PCB
 
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Re: RB4011

Sat Sep 01, 2018 4:09 am

I'm actually interested to test this router with a full BGP table given the high clock speed and 10 gig port.

Who knows? Could be a diamond in the rough for a border router ;-)
I'm especially interested in RB4011 vs CCR1009 on single 10G point to point connection. CCR seems to struggle with that.
i think with the rb4011 RM (without wifi) with sfp+ port and costing half than CCR1009 can give a similar-competitive performance in many scenarios

i think
with rb1100ahx4 on the market ccr1009 only justification is SFP+ interface

i think
with rb4011rm ccr1009 is dead

ccr1009 is a very good machine, but today the market has change

the good news

mikrotik is being very competitive (even with their own products)

the important question that remains in the air is

what will be the replacement of ccr1036 / 1072?

in terms of performance with just a little better is enough, one important thing is improving single core performance to achieve better performance with less cores, another important thing is the price, a cut down to 600-700 and some improvement on interfaces giving us 4 X sfp+, and 8 X 5.0,2.5,1.0 multi-gigabit interfaces will be nice upgrade
 
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Re: RB4011

Sat Sep 01, 2018 4:15 am

I'm actually interested to test this router with a full BGP table given the high clock speed and 10 gig port.

Who knows? Could be a diamond in the rough for a border router ;-)
i agree

i think RB1100AHX4/RB4011 1.4GHZ ARM cortex A15 CPU have better single core performance than Tilera, until now on the field the feelings with rb1100ahx4 have been good, i just can see improvements on the rb4011 with more flash nand and sfp +interface

looks like this rb4011 will be very disruptive
 
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Sat Sep 01, 2018 10:24 am

I'm personally quite disappointed with lack of LCD and USB.
At work I have 2 locations where a 4G stick is plugged in the USB port to serve as a backup link in case the main (VDSL) fails.
It is not working well in all router models, though. The power consumption of these sticks is near the limit and sometimes they crash when the coverage is not very good (hence high transmit power required) and a lot of data is transferred.
A possible workaround is a mAP-2n serving as an LTE USB bridge or one of the dedicated LTE devices powered by port 10 on the RB4011.
Well, we now use this config for small outposts using hEXr3 or hAP AC. RB4011 is not really useful there anyway, we could use it as a replacement for our headoffice CCR1009 when that would fail, and 4G is not required there (it has 2 independent fiber connections). So my remark is more theoretical in case others face a similar situation.
 
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Sat Sep 01, 2018 7:30 pm

Looks promising! I'd like to replace my ageing RB1100Hx2 and at the same time get sfp+ and ipsec hw acceleration. That's what I'm looking for and right now the only MT replacement is CCR1009 which is a bit pricey for home usage. But what about the VLAN thing, will there be problems running a few VLANs via the sfp+ port and get full throughput?
 
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Sat Sep 01, 2018 7:41 pm

But what about the VLAN thing, will there be problems running a few VLANs via the sfp+ port and get full throughput?
It should not be a problem when routing, it only could be an issue when switching and expecting wirespeed performance without CPU loading.
The CPU in these routers is quite powerful (like the CCR) so it can do a LOT of CPU handling without overloading it.
Of course it still would not hurt to buy a separate switch when you have high requirements (probably not even a MikroTik).
 
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Re: RB4011

Sat Sep 01, 2018 8:08 pm

I'm especially interested in RB4011 vs CCR1009 on single 10G point to point connection. CCR seems to struggle with that.
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with rb4011rm ccr1009 is dead
That's brave statement :D Still CCR1009 has number of features that RB4011 doesn't. It still has significantly higher routing performance, probably better cooling for continuos load, usb, screen, USR led, SD card slot, more ram and one more SFP cage. I think RB4011 will be great router for smaller companies which won't need to support thousands of concurrent connections but with half of CCR1009 performance for 512b frames, worse IPSec performance and (probably) 2 Gbps aggregate gigabit ports bandwidth to CPU I don't think it's gonna completely replace CCR1009, even for half of price.

I think RB4011 is exactly what's been missing here - CONSUMER-like 10G router. I feel like a lot of people (including me and my friend) bought CCR1009 as home router just because it was THE ONLY passively cooled 10G router out there. So if you wanted to have 10G router at home it was the only viable option. Now i think CCR1009 will go back to places for which it was designed for - core networks. For everyone who just needs bandwidth with some firewall and nothing else - RB4011 will be way to go.
 
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Sat Sep 01, 2018 8:35 pm

I'm especially interested in RB4011 vs CCR1009 on single 10G point to point connection. CCR seems to struggle with that.
i think
with rb4011rm ccr1009 is dead
That's brave statement :D Still CCR1009 has number of features that RB4011 doesn't. It still has significantly higher routing performance, probably better cooling for continuos load, usb, screen, USR led, SD card slot, more ram and one more SFP cage. I think RB4011 will be great router for smaller companies which won't need to support thousands of concurrent connections but with half of CCR1009 performance for 512b frames, worse IPSec performance and (probably) 2 Gbps aggregate gigabit ports bandwidth to CPU I don't think it's gonna completely replace CCR1009, even for half of price.

I think RB4011 is exactly what's been missing here - CONSUMER-like 10G router. I feel like a lot of people (including me and my friend) bought CCR1009 as home router just because it was THE ONLY passively cooled 10G router out there. So if you wanted to have 10G router at home it was the only viable option. Now i think CCR1009 will go back to places for which it was designed for - core networks. For everyone who just needs bandwidth with some firewall and nothing else - RB4011 will be way to go.
Being a CCR1009 owner I can confirm - it is way overkill for home use. I ended with it only because I found one used for nearly the price of 3011.
Otherwise it makes no sense, especially now, when you can get 4011 + CRS326 for the price of 1009.
 
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Re: RB4011

Sat Sep 01, 2018 9:49 pm

Being a CCR1009 owner I can confirm - it is way overkill for home use. I ended with it only because I found one used for nearly the price of 3011.
Otherwise it makes no sense, especially now, when you can get 4011 + CRS326 for the price of 1009.
Though even home user can kill CCR1009 if you use too much stuff on it :D I still don't see fasttrack as "normal" scenario. More like workaround to get more bandwidth from too weak hardware. CCR1009 can at least route full gigabit in full software with full firewall, QoS and all those features that don't work with fasttrack enabled. I recently performed some benchmarking and came to disappointing conclusions: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=138626&p=683407#p683407 But as I stated I don't find it misconfiguration. In this particular case I could use fasttrack but actually for all other networks I use bridging with ip-firewall enabled so in more cases than I can, I can't use fasttrack.
 
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Sat Sep 01, 2018 10:05 pm

Being a CCR1009 owner I can confirm - it is way overkill for home use. I ended with it only because I found one used for nearly the price of 3011.
Otherwise it makes no sense, especially now, when you can get 4011 + CRS326 for the price of 1009.
Though even home user can kill CCR1009 if you use too much stuff on it :D I still don't see fasttrack as "normal" scenario. More like workaround to get more bandwidth from too weak hardware. CCR1009 can at least route full gigabit in full software with full firewall, QoS and all those features that don't work with fasttrack enabled. I recently performed some benchmarking and came to disappointing conclusions: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=138626&p=683407#p683407 But as I stated I don't find it misconfiguration. In this particular case I could use fasttrack but actually for all other networks I use bridging with ip-firewall enabled so in more cases than I can, I can't use fasttrack.
Routing at >1Gbit?!
In home enviroment?!
Not just for testing but in real life?!
Seriously?
Ok. Then there is you, and there is the rest of the world for whom new 4011 will do just fine :lol:
 
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Sat Sep 01, 2018 10:18 pm

I'm especially interested in RB4011 vs CCR1009 on single 10G point to point connection. CCR seems to struggle with that.
i think
with rb4011rm ccr1009 is dead
That's brave statement :D Still CCR1009 has number of features that RB4011 doesn't. It still has significantly higher routing performance, probably better cooling for continuos load, usb, screen, USR led, SD card slot, more ram and one more SFP cage. I think RB4011 will be great router for smaller companies which won't need to support thousands of concurrent connections but with half of CCR1009 performance for 512b frames, worse IPSec performance and (probably) 2 Gbps aggregate gigabit ports bandwidth to CPU I don't think it's gonna completely replace CCR1009, even for half of price.

I think RB4011 is exactly what's been missing here - CONSUMER-like 10G router. I feel like a lot of people (including me and my friend) bought CCR1009 as home router just because it was THE ONLY passively cooled 10G router out there. So if you wanted to have 10G router at home it was the only viable option. Now i think CCR1009 will go back to places for which it was designed for - core networks. For everyone who just needs bandwidth with some firewall and nothing else - RB4011 will be way to go.

thats true ccr1009 passive cooled have succeed as the most powerful desktop router, its a very good device, but almost 500US at cost, far from many pockets

surely there are some scenarios where ccr1009 will show their supremacy, i like that device and their performance, ccr1009 put TILERA CPU at the reach of some scenarios where ccr1036 will be overkill

when i compare mikrotik routers for QoS implementation (firewall filter+mangle + queue-tree/simple-queue ) i have found the most real world representation of performance is the published test Routing 25 ip filter rules with 512 byte size packet i use that test as a guide line to compare devices

As a consultant I have almost none client using mikrotik as a "Pure" router without mangle an queues, because that i prefer to practically ignore the high numbers of other tests, i only keep it in mind to understand architectural limits of the router

look at this
rb4011 vs ccr1009.png
ccr1009 gives 25% more performance but cost more than double

ccr1009 gives 1600 pps x dolar (495us price tag)
rb4011RM gives 2718 pps x dolar (230us expected price tag)

RB4011 IS almost doubling the pps vs dolar ratio with less power consumption

in ipsec topic the situation goes in favor of ccr1009 between -21% and 50% of difference between rb4011 and ccr1009, rb4011 it comes out well specifically on single tunnel results in multiple tests ccr1009 shines

off course my point of view is very specific

now let's take into account that rb4011 is only 4 core and is getting 80% the performance of 9 core ccr1009, this means that in proportion one single core of rb4011 double the performance of one single core of the tilera cpu with only 16% clock advantage

that single core performance advantage can have a very strong impact in some configurations where no matter you have 9 cores on a ccr1009 you hit a wall when some of the 9 cores reach 99% usage, regardless of whether the other 8 cores have low usage

i think tilera cpu have been a very good stage of mikrotik devices, but have been clear that the better way to scale performance is to get lest amount of more powerful cores than many more light cores (ccr1072 owners do not let me lie)

i think rb1100ahx4 and rb4011 go in that direction, less cores but more powerful cores

i think a CPU like Broadcom stingray (8 core arm cortex a 72 at 3.0ghz) can beat a a tilera 72 core CPU at 1.0 ghz (like ccr1072) because of the much better single core performance
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Re: RB4011

Sat Sep 01, 2018 10:54 pm

The move toward ARM had really boosted up performance per $: hAP ac2, now RB4011.
The next logical move is to extend this further to CCR line: the new ones in 400-500$ range can turn out real beasts if this trend will persist :)
 
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Sat Sep 01, 2018 11:03 pm

i think a CPU like Broadcom stingray (8 core arm cortex a 72 at 3.0ghz) can beat a a tilera 72 core CPU at 1.0 ghz (like ccr1072) because of the much better single core performance
That's true for many use cases but please take into account that routers like those are in most cases used in backbone or core - they're supposed to route thousands of connections or at least significantly more than 72 lol. In use cases for which routers like CCR1072 was made it seems to make a lot of sense. Look at AMD and Epyc CPUs - 64 cores per socket, 124 threads. So up to 256 cores, 512 threads for quad socket motherboard. For virtualization host it scales perfectly well. For playing games - not at all. But CCR1072 is not meant to interconnect 2 servers at 40 Gbps rate. It's meant to interconnect 400 servers at 200mbps rate. I don't think device like CCR1072 needs single core performance as much as device like RB4011 does. Like I said it's distinction between small scale and big scale use cases. few strong cores make sense in small scale use cases. When someone looks for home router or smaller comapny with 5 servers he doesn't want performance to connect 400 computers at 200mbps but to connect those 5 machines at 10G.

So I think that CCR1009 and RB4011 both have their place - big scale, scalable loads and small scale, less scalable loads.
Routing at >1Gbit?!
In home enviroment?!
Not just for testing but in real life?!
Seriously?
Ok. Then there is you, and there is the rest of the world for whom new 4011 will do just fine :lol:
Correction: 10 Gbps. Or more precisely: 12 Gbps because I use SFP+ link only for VMs networks on home hypervisor plus NAS. Other networks eg. for my laptop and phone go through dedicated LACP bonding 2G to CCR so I have total 12G pipe between CRS317+CRS326 and CCR1009. Also all other ports in CCR are occupied by some more demanding devices but they rarely saturate 1G as they don't connect to NAS. Plus backup 3G usb dongle for zero downtime :D
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