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Re: RB4011

Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:53 pm

I'm starting to think that the only reason for RB4011 to have that SFP+ is that MT can claim it offers "1733 Mbps data rate" (see top most banner on all forum pages).
One could hardly claim that if all wired ports were 1Gbps.
2x1Gbps would be enough for that.
 
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Re: RB4011

Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:14 pm


I could swear that 4011 was not listed there yesterday, when I posted this question here... :shock:

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This page was last edited on 21 September 2018, at 09:38.
Just looked, looks like info was added this morning :lol: I had the page bookmarked so checked it and posted the link earlier.

In fact the footnote on DAC has also been edited since this morning! Now reads:
4. RB4011 -- Only active Direct Attach Cables are supported. MikroTik S+DA0001/S+DA0003 passive DAC are not supported.
Generic active DAC does not seem extortionate, even if it’s 4* cost passive one?
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Actually leaning away from RB4011 towards RB3011 as for what I need it’s fast enough, it now has IPSec hw acceleration and I can do vlan switching with the switch chip unlike RB4011.

Also the perfectionist in me wonders what it looks like rackmounted as the rack kit is not full height? (Presumably for the passive cooling?).

On paper I should just buy a HEX S it seems as it’s faster than my link...
 
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Re: RB4011

Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:17 pm

Footnote 4 says you can only use a SFP+ DAC at 10Gb
Doesn't it rather say that you cannot use passive SFP+ DAC at all? RB4011 seems to be the only Mikrotik SFP+ device which is incompatible with Mikrotik's own direct attach cables.
It does in the latest edit, it didn’t this morning when I posted...
 
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Re: RB4011

Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:01 pm

I'm starting to think that the only reason for RB4011 to have that SFP+ is that MT can claim it offers "1733 Mbps data rate" (see top most banner on all forum pages).
One could hardly claim that if all wired ports were 1Gbps.
That is related to wifi performance as it has 4 chains for 5GHz radio.
Indeed. There are firm believers (even members of this forum) in concept that "what comes out, must come in". So if radio is capable of transmitting at rate of 1.7Gbps, that data has to come from somewhere (I kind of doubt that random generator in RB4011 is capable of generating data at this rate). This device is quite obviously not targeting the most demanding user base, so MT can not expect everybody to use 2x1Gbps in a bond (as per @xvo's suggestion).

I'm forgetting about realistically achievable over-the-air data rates on purpose. Probably MT's own argument about gigabit wired interface not being necessary on 60GHz Lite unit can kick on here as well.
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Re: RB4011

Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:11 pm

Too wait for proper upgrade from RB2011, but RB4011 is not my choise anymore, especially when removed USB port. Will switich to UBNT.
 
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Re: RB4011

Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:14 pm

Too wait for proper upgrade from RB2011, but RB4011 is not my choise anymore, especially when removed USB port. Will switich to UBNT.
I don't think UBNT has USB either tho xD
They should just make RB3011 in desktop case. It'd be bilion times better idea than this joke.
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Re: RB4011

Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:17 pm

Although technically a lot of complaints in this topic have a basis somewhere I don't really understand the complaints about the RB4011 series.

For anyone who has a 500Mbit or a 1Gbit Internet connection coming into their home/business and who wants to do routing between internal subnets above 1Gbps and have some CAPSman AP's connected, the 4011 series seems like a great device! I'm running a CCR1009 personally, but if I wasn't I would buy a RB4011 in a heartbeat. In some tasks it will actually outperform the CCR1009 because of the higher single threaded performance.

So performance wise it should be steller for a great price. Passive cooling is good and although the switch doesn't seem to support VLANs with the amount of power this thing has, doing a few Gigabit through the CPU shouldn't really be an issue? Better then getting a similarly priced UBNT device where if you enable certain features you're speed drops through the floor.

It doesn't have an USB port. Could have been nice, be in all honesty the amount of times I've used one is rare, very rare. If we now have to buy a cheap Routerboard LTE device for that, that's ok.

And the LCD. I have lots of Mikrotik's with LCD's, you use them never. Do you want to pay a 10$ (or whatever the cost is) premium for that? Generally the answer would be no for most people.

Then speaking of the wireless version, it's the first Mikrotik 4 chain device and has external antennas again so I'm really curious how it will perform. :)

Complaints like "the wireless can go up to 1733Mbit so you need more 10Gbit" I just don't get. If you know anything about wireless you know you can't compare stated wireless speed with cable speeds. And even if you could, 90% of devices out there only have 2 chains. Certain Macbooks are exceptions and have 3 chains, but that's a rarity. So that theoretical speed, you're never going to achieve that. Wireless still isn't as fast as a cable, no matter what it says on the box. Maybe in an ideal situation using both the 5Ghz radio and 2.4Ghz radio you could come close to 1Gbps of real throughput, maybe.... Not until 60Ghz wireless becomes a common thing do you need to worry about the speed of your wired ports.

Then what use is 4 antennas? Beamforming and other features can make great use of it, especially in situations where multiple (2 chain) clients are connected, overall speed will remain higher, which is good. :)

So maybe I'm missing some big points here but to me this RB4011 looks great for small business use or in a more demanding home situations. Plenty of power and passively cooled, great! I also really like that it can do hardware AES so you can tunnel all your traffic through a VPN tunnel in a work related situation or at home through PIA or something like that! :D

This is my opinion, and I'm sure there are use cases where this device doesn't suit the need, but I just wanted to show some positive excited thoughts about it instead of the bad reception it's been getting.

p.s. I just read that it might not support passive DAC cables in the SFP+ slot? If that turns out to be true that would be a big missing feature in my opinion.
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Re: RB4011

Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:48 pm

That's exactly my use case, I have 1Gbit Internet, run a few vlans in my network on a mix of CSS326 (10 Gbit between these) and HP switches, have four MT AP and would like to have them routed faster than I can with my now ageing RB1100Hx2. My other choice would be the CCR1009 which I find a bit to expensive for home usage. Ofc all the options others point out are missing would have been nice to have but I can make do without them. I'm looking forward to buy the RB4011!
 
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Re: RB4011

Sun Sep 23, 2018 11:14 pm

So maybe I'm missing some big points here but to me this RB4011 looks great for small business use or in a more demanding home situations. Plenty of power and passively cooled, great! I also really like that it can do hardware AES so you can tunnel all your traffic through a VPN tunnel in a work related situation or at home through PIA or something like that! :D
There's only 1 issue with RB4011. It shouldn't be named RB4011. It's not device that is direct successor of RB2011 and RB3011. It's different class of device and shouldn't share its name, shouldn't give hope that it's RB3011 refresh because it lacks half of RB3011 features. That's it. There's nothing wrong with this device itself. It's just that it's not what it claims to be.

If MikroTik would make now RB2100AHx4 or whatever could be name for RB1100 successor without bypass ports it'd result in similar butthurt because it just wouldn't be the same device. Or RB951 successor without switch chip. It's something defining this platform. MikroTik dropped half of features defining what RB2011 and RB3011 are and called it RB4011 just because. The only thing that RB4011 has in common with 3011 and 2011 is number and type of ports. THE END. It doesn't have any other feature that 2011 and 3011 used to have. NOTHING, zero nada, null. No, wait it has console port. So it has 1 feature that others used to have. Bravo, truly spectacular. If MikroTik can't think of name for new series of devices then I can give pro tip: https://www.random.org/strings/

THIS. is the problem. In fact the only problem.
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Re: RB4011

Sun Sep 23, 2018 11:40 pm

I think it will be a good seller, especially in parts of the world with 1gbit Fibre at home is available, I think most people in the thread so far have a specific use in mind and so for them the feature set may not match their use case, but that's the same with most of the mikrotik range right? You only have to look at the table to switch chips and products to realise how much each range or device differs from each other, not to mention all the different CPU architectures - part of their sucess and weakness you could argue.

It will be interesting to see what people think once they start shipping, especially the wifi performance with the 4 chain radio - but still no wave2 I think - based on my experience with the hAP AC² (first mikrotik device I bought) you might see some issues with the initial firmware and performance...
 
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Re: RB4011

Sun Sep 23, 2018 11:53 pm

You only have to look at the table to switch chips and products to realise how much each range or device differs from each other, not to mention all the different CPU architectures - part of their sucess and weakness you could argue.
And that's wrong. Naming schemes indicate something. If you saw iPhone 9 and it turned out to be Android phone, would you really look into spec sheet to figure that out? No, you'd just assume it's "better" than iPhone 8 and it probably doesn't have half of features missing. Nobody would ever think it has Android. Names suggest something. It's not just random label put on product because someone in sales department is bored and had bad weekend. When I heard for the first time about RB4011 I was shocked that it doesn't have civilized switch chip or USB. If I didn't find such info (because I'm passionate and I do like reading routers reviews I found it. But I might have bought it without much of research just as well. Just like I bough CRS317 totally YOLO and realized it doesn't have usb and can't mirror span to 2 independent ports the day it arrived) I'd probably just assume it's better RB2011 and buy it. And then boom, freaking zonk because I actually do actively use switch chip in RB2011 so I couldn't simply replace it with RB4011 like I would assume I should be able to.

In my scenario RB4011 is not drop-in replacement for RB2011 or RB3011 even that name suggests it's just refresh of RB3011 - it's simply not. The difference is huge.

Yes it's good device. Great device for even greater money. I also want to buy it actually. But I still want proper RB2011 spiritual successor that would live up to "RB4011" name. Current RB4011 in my opinion should be named differently. It has probably more in common with RB1100AHx4 than RB3011 tbh. It's great device with wrong and misleading name that suggests it's something that in reality isn't.
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Re: RB4011

Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:10 am

You only have to look at the table to switch chips and products to realise how much each range or device differs from each other, not to mention all the different CPU architectures - part of their sucess and weakness you could argue.
And that's wrong. Naming schemes indicate something. If you saw iPhone 9 and it turned out to be Android phone, would you really look into spec sheet to figure that out? No, you'd just assume it's "better" than iPhone 8 and it probably doesn't have half of features missing. Nobody would ever think it has Android. Names suggest something. It's not just random label put on product because someone in sales department is bored and had bad weekend. When I heard for the first time about RB4011 I was shocked that it doesn't have civilized switch chip or USB. If I didn't find such info (because I'm passionate and I do like reading routers reviews I found it. But I might have bought it without much of research just as well. Just like I bough CRS317 totally YOLO and realized it doesn't have usb and can't mirror span to 2 independent ports the day it arrived) I'd probably just assume it's better RB2011 and buy it. And then boom, freaking zonk because I actually do actively use switch chip in RB2011 so I couldn't simply replace it with RB4011 like I would assume I should be able to.

In my scenario RB4011 is not drop-in replacement for RB2011 or RB3011 even that name suggests it's just refresh of RB3011 - it's simply not. The difference is huge.

Yes it's good device. Great device for even greater money. I also want to buy it actually. But I still want proper RB2011 spiritual successor that would live up to "RB4011" name. Current RB4011 in my opinion should be named differently. It has probably more in common with RB1100AHx4 than RB3011 tbh. It's great device with wrong and misleading name that suggests it's something that in reality isn't.

frecuent situation in forum

some users want a device what fit perfectly for their needs, that just dont happen every time

rb4011 is what it is, if not serve your purpose take another model

we already ordered 100 units of it, for us is not perfect but we can adapt to it to take advantage of it

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Re: RB4011

Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:39 am

In my scenario RB4011 is not drop-in replacement for RB2011 or RB3011 even that name suggests it's just refresh of RB3011 - it's simply not. The difference is huge.
Too bad, they don't sell 3011 in desktop case...as Rack mounted device just won't physically fit everywhere... :?

Anyway, I will still buy 4011, as soonas it becomes available, as I can live without vlan's on LAN side and I only need two dummy 5 port switches for that deployment...
As far as diagram goes, this should be doable, different vlan/bridge/subnet per switch chip.
 
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Re: RB4011

Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:50 am

some users want a device what fit perfectly for their needs, that just dont happen every time
If some user ask for the succesor of 2011/3011 - not ccr1009, 951, or other MT models, it can be right to hope that some main series features, at least, can be unchanged. If we need more powerful routing - we simply ask for successor of CCR's or buy equpment from other manufacturer.
For this device, users wants a balanced amount of 1Gbit copper ports, average routing capablility (level near hAP ac2 or RB450GX2 can be... adequate for most of us) and last but not least - peripheral abilities (USB) for use as AIO device on relatively small installations.
Today, if we need a pure superpowered routing - we just can buy RM-desktop version of 4011.

But why we need a wireless version for it's price and infamous castrated MT AC onboard?
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Re: RB4011

Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:42 am

What mean that it do not support VLAN? So I can't create VLAN interface on SFP+ and ETH3 like Im on HAP AC(RB962UiGS-5HacT2HnT) and then put this VLAN interfaces in bridge together with ETH1&ETH2(Normal eth interfaces without vlan interface) ? Or it only doesn't support VLAN under switch settings(I don't use this feature)?
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Re: RB4011

Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:17 pm

I think that you can do vlan's on SFP interface, as it is directly connected to CPU, not really sure about GE ports, but according to Realtek switch chip documentation in MikroTik wiki, it does not support vlans.
 
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Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:26 pm

I believe the configuration you have above will work just fine. All traffic will go through the CPU, which is the same as it is doing right judging from your screenshots.

They are referring to having the switching chip handle VLAN translations, that it is not capable of right now. So if you heavily rely on this (like you would on a switch), it might not be the best choice. Otherwise, with the CPU it has, the RB4011 can probably handle a few Gigabit of traffic while doing VLAN tagging in CPU without an issue.
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Re: RB4011

Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:50 pm

Thanks for answers. Now I understand if I make vlan's on interfaces it will be handled in CPU(like now) and switch chip VLAN support not effect it. Because I need "transfer" VLAN's from sfpplus port to some ethernet ports switch chip VLAN support do not help me a lot ... I use VLAN's for VOIP and IPTV and there is not a lot traffic(Usual SD iptv stream use 3Mbps and HD around 7Mbps all depend of channel... At same time there is not more than 2-5 streams so max 35Mbps, soon we get 4K streams so it will still be max under 100Mbps ...

In my previous post I made mistake. Screenshots are not from RB2011UiAS-2HnD-IN but are from HAP AC(RB962UiGS-5HacT2HnT).
 
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Re: RB4011

Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:04 pm

Thanks for answers. Now I understand if I make vlan's on interfaces it will be handled in CPU(like now) and switch chip VLAN support not effect it. Because I need "transfer" VLAN's from sfpplus port to some ethernet ports switch chip VLAN support do not help me a lot ... I use VLAN's for VOIP and IPTV and there is not a lot traffic(Usual SD iptv stream use 3Mbps and HD around 7Mbps all depend of channel... At same time there is not more than 2-5 streams so max 35Mbps, soon we get 4K streams so it will still be max under 100Mbps ...

In my previous post I made mistake. Screenshots are not from RB2011UiAS-2HnD-IN but are from HAP AC(RB962UiGS-5HacT2HnT).
It does help you. You can use bridge. Maybe even with vlan filtering. This device has enough of horsepower to handle software bridging at rate way beyond gigabit. The only difference between switch chip vlans and software vlans+bridging is performance plus some more advanced features (like protocol vlans, mac vlans, vlan translation etc which is not available in software) and some more sophisticated traffic looping (pushing the same traffic through router more than once eg for in-line processing by security appliances, with software bridging NAT decision is performed only the first time packet reaches router so eg. masquerade won't be applied on final egress).

Long story short: With decent switch chip you have 3 options to implement vlans:
  • hardware switch chip vlan filtering + vlan interfaces attached to bridge (/interface ethernet switch vlan)
  • software bridge with vlan filtering and also vlan interfaces attached to bridge (/interface bridge vlan)
  • vlan interface on each physical port and then simple bridge (without filtering) with appropriate vlan interfaces as bridge ports (separate bridge for each vlan, bridging together vlan interfaces from all physical ports representing the same vlan)
With retarded switch chip first option is not possible. Third variant is the most universal one (allows eg. for inter-vlan bridging with firewall applied) but has lowest performance. It's also the only way that was possible on devices without switch chip at all (like CCR) before new bridge implementation.
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Mon Sep 24, 2018 5:00 pm

There's one big difference between doing VLAN switching in switch chip and doing VLAN "switching" on bridge: misery of datapath between switch chip and CPU. If switching is done within switch chip, it can be up to 5Gbps (sum of all ports' throughput) ... while if it's done by CPU, interconnect limits this to 2.5Gbps. Btw, interconnect in 4011 is a relatively good one, most of small RBs has interconnect (or perhaps two) with speed same as wired ports, hence is the use of HW offload even more important.

So yes, RB4011 is good for VLAN "switching" between SFP+ and copper ports (throughput more or less evenly distributed between them). No, it's not good as switch between copper ports. And no, it can't really push all those 10Gbps of SFP+ through copper ports. The only way of using SFP+ port to its full capacity is to use RB4011 as (mostly) "router on a stick" between different VLANs. Where lack of decent switch chip isn't an issue anymore.
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Re: RB4011

Mon Sep 24, 2018 6:17 pm

When you want to do switching, buy a switch.
That is why I don't think routers with so many ports are that useful.
In a small setup it usually is enough to have about 5 ports, and when you need more or want features like VLAN, add a switch.
 
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Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:32 pm

When you want to do switching, buy a switch.
That is why I don't think routers with so many ports are that useful.
In a small setup it usually is enough to have about 5 ports, and when you need more or want features like VLAN, add a switch.
Well, they are extremely useful on confined spaces, where router + switch do not fit into wall enclosure, etc...

For example, I have a problem, where there are 4 rooms, 2 cables per room which makes 8 cables + uplink.
Space to accomodate all the gear is very limited, pretty much as big as an 1,5 sheets of A4 paper, approx 5cm in depth, where all the cabling meets up.
Pretty common design for the new appartement buildings around here.

There is pretty much no way to fit 8-port switch + decent router in there, as half of the space is occupied by the ODF, ISP ONT + 2 power sockets.
 
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Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:17 pm

But that is an environment where you do not need (or want) a switch...
I am addressing those that want a high-performance switch and feel limited by the architecture of MikroTik routers with one or more 5-port switch chips.
My opinion is that you should not try to do advanced switching (groups of more than 5 ports and/or VLAN etc, with wirespeed between ports) on those routers.
They are not suited for it. Get a switch. IMHO not from MikroTik, their switches lack a lot of commonly available features or they are in first development.
When you want to connect 8 subscribers to an internet (and of course they should not "see eachother") this problem does not arise.
 
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Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:53 pm

But that is an environment where you do not need (or want) a switch...
Well sometimes you just want AIO box as cheap as possible. Eg. such RB4011 with wifi. It'd obviously make sense to give it decent switch chip, because come on - if someone buys 10G router with 10 gigabit ports and wifi he obviously wants all-in-one box for everything ever. The only excuse I see is that like I said this router should be able to handle software bridging quite well.
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Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:22 pm

In my case, I don't even need Wireless, as AP's are separate (hAP ac2), catch is I would like to feed trunk ports to these, to have dedicated vlan and port for STB's.

Reason behind it, is that MikroTik lacks RTSP helper and udpxy so feeding STB's over NAT is very tricky (IGMP proxy works, but some content comes over RTSP streams), much easier would be just to feed ISP Multicast vlan directly as Layer2.

But that is a bit offtopic here, unfortunately I cannot go for RB3011 due to space restrictions and RB2011 CPU just does not cut it (1Gbit/s connection + ipv4 & ipv6 Firewall).
Well, no worries...if there is a will, there is a way, if I get my hands on RB4011, I will probably figure something out :)
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Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:52 pm

unfortunately I cannot go for RB3011 due to space restrictions
Well technically I guess you could take RB3011 out of chassis if network cabinet is closed anyways... I guess...
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Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:08 pm

Well technically I guess you could take RB3011 out of chassis if network cabinet is closed anyways... I guess...
There is no network cabinet as such (click for bigger picture) but this could be an option indeed:

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Anyway, let's switch back to the RB4011 discussion now :P
 
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Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:11 pm

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There was time when RB2011 was sold as barebone (without case) just like some current routerboards. Not sure why they abandoned it. Probably didn't sell well.
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Re: RB4011

Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:13 pm

Imho the lack of switch chip features could be neglected if you had the possibility to connect a "real" switch to the 10G port via a cheap cable. However, the lack of passive DAC support forces you to spend 100+€ for this connection instead of ~25€. Combining both these weaknesses into an otherwise quite attractive device is very unfortunate.
 
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Imho the lack of switch chip features could be neglected if you had the possibility to connect a "real" switch to the 10G port via a cheap cable. However, the lack of passive DAC support forces you to spend 100+€ for this connection instead of ~25€. Combining both these weaknesses into an otherwise quite attractive device is very unfortunate.
Agree its going to catch a few people out, but if you look at the link in my post 152 (viewtopic.php?p=688286#p687944) they are only €35 new, and used Cisco cables are even cheaper on eBay - is it that big of a deal?
 
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Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:13 am

Agree its going to catch a few people out, but if you look at the link in my post 152 (viewtopic.php?p=688286#p687944) they are only €35 new,
Are you using any of their products? They are offering 10GbE Multimode optics for 15€ while the competition is selling them for 50. There's got to be a catch.
and used Cisco cables are even cheaper on eBay - is it that big of a deal?
Could you provide a link? The cheapest eBay product I came up with was $50, shipped directly from China.

I don't decline that there may be cheap options for active 10G connectivity, but passive DAC would have been available everywhere for a reasonable price.
 
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Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:27 pm

They are offering 10GbE Multimode optics for 15€ while the competition is selling them for 50. There's got to be a catch.
I'm using 10Gtek DACs which were even cheaper than MikroTik ones and work perfectly fine so I wouldn't judge by price. It's just generic chinese module that can be reprogrammed to present itself as Cisco, Mellanox, Intel, whatever. You can buy SFP programmater for like 300$ and reprogram any generic module to whatever brand you want to bypass brand checking. That's basically how "compatible" modules are made.
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Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:35 pm

I've had no issues with fs.com 10G DACs between Mikrotik, Netgear and Linksys gear. The stuff is all from China but they seem to have their logistics nailed down pretty well which is how they can offer such good pricing. I know a lot of other people in the industry also use FS so it's not like they're a noname company.

It's a bit disappointing that the 4011 requires an active cable, but the price really isn't that bad. I hope there aren't too many other "gotchas" with this product as it looks very promising.
 
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Has anyone been able to order one of these yet? Seems like the expected stock arrival dates keep getting pushed back.
 
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Has anyone been able to order one of these yet? Seems like the expected stock arrival dates keep getting pushed back.
All polish shops I checked claimed "Beginning of October". They claimed so since very beginning and they still do.
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cdr.pl initial claimed arrival at the mid September then changed that to "Beginning of October". https://linitx.com has date of 16th of October
 
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Mikrotik sales inquiry for the US said "October" availability. I was able to pre-order through Streakwave (authorized reseller).
 
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What about this link:
https://mikrotik.com/product/rb4011igs_ ... -downloads

And block diagram:
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Pre-ordered non-wireless one (as I only need L3 aggregation + 2 dumb switches), we'll see... 8)

Wondering, if Cisco console cable would work on these...
 
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Wondering, if Cisco console cable would work on these...
It worked with RB2011
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Being a CCR1009 owner I can confirm - it is way overkill for home use. I ended with it only because I found one used for nearly the price of 3011.
Otherwise it makes no sense, especially now, when you can get 4011 + CRS326 for the price of 1009.
Though even home user can kill CCR1009 if you use too much stuff on it :D I still don't see fasttrack as "normal" scenario. More like workaround to get more bandwidth from too weak hardware. CCR1009 can at least route full gigabit in full software with full firewall, QoS and all those features that don't work with fasttrack enabled. I recently performed some benchmarking and came to disappointing conclusions: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=138626&p=683407#p683407 But as I stated I don't find it misconfiguration. In this particular case I could use fasttrack but actually for all other networks I use bridging with ip-firewall enabled so in more cases than I can, I can't use fasttrack.
Routing at >1Gbit?!
In home enviroment?!
Not just for testing but in real life?!
Seriously?
Ok. Then there is you, and there is the rest of the world for whom new 4011 will do just fine :lol:
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Useless SFP+ for me without a 10G LAN port.
It's for router on the stick scenario. It's meant to actually be LAN port, not really WAN port.
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Useless SFP+ for me without a 10G LAN port.
It's for router on the stick scenario. It's meant to actually be LAN port, not really WAN port.
I think it is WAN port for small office or internet-intensive family (not only one intensive user at a time).
 
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Useless SFP+ for me without a 10G LAN port.
It's for router on the stick scenario. It's meant to actually be LAN port, not really WAN port.
I think it is WAN port for small office or internet-intensive family (not only one intensive user at a time).
Well assuming someone has internet faster than 1gbps I guess it could be...

Cheapest MikroTik with two 10G interfaces is CCR1032. But personally I'd still use them as 20G LACP to switch and connect WAN to such switch on some gateway VLAN, rather than connecting WAN directly to one 10G port. Unless you have 10G internet from ISP using sfp+ as pure WAN interface is monumental waste of throughput
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Useless SFP+ for me without a 10G LAN port.
It's for router on the stick scenario. It's meant to actually be LAN port, not really WAN port.
I think it is WAN port for small office or internet-intensive family (not only one intensive user at a time).
Well assuming someone has internet faster than 1gbps I guess it could be...

Cheapest MikroTik with two 10G interfaces is CCR1032. But personally I'd still use them as 20G LACP to switch and connect WAN to such switch on some gateway VLAN, rather than connecting WAN directly to one 10G port. Unless you have 10G internet from ISP using sfp+ as pure WAN interface is monumental waste of throughput
The point of an SFP+ WAN interface is precisely more than gigabit throughput (not necessarily near 10).

One problem is that I hope the cable router provided by an ISP has at least a 2.5G LAN port.

That CCR is not for home use.
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Isn't this compatible with the S-RJ01 ? Someone might want to use it for some reason.

It is not shown as a related product.
 
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Isn't this compatible with the S-RJ01 ? Someone might want to use it for some reason.

It is not shown as a related product.
i think you must use S+RJ10 instead.
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Isn't this compatible with the S-RJ01 ? Someone might want to use it for some reason.

It is not shown as a related product.
i think you must use S+RJ10 instead.
What if someone already has an S-RJ01 but no gigabit+ service yet?
 
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Isn't this compatible with the S-RJ01 ? Someone might want to use it for some reason.

It is not shown as a related product.
i think you must use S+RJ10 instead.
What if someone already has an S-RJ01 but no gigabit+ service yet?
Then the router will definitely change it's own internal architecture (or rewrite its own software) just to suit ones needs.
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Isn't this compatible with the S-RJ01 ? Someone might want to use it for some reason.

It is not shown as a related product.
i think you must use S+RJ10 instead.
What if someone already has an S-RJ01 but no gigabit+ service yet?
Then the router will definitely change it's own internal architecture (or rewrite its own software) just to suit ones needs.
Sorry, could not resist :)

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The module would seem to be compatible at the hardware level.
 
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The module would seem to be compatible at the hardware level.
Jokes aside, the SFP+ port in 4011 is already confirmed to have some bizarre limitations - no passive DACs support, for example.
Whether this is a hardware or software issue is an open question for now, but it clearly indicates, that some other limitations won't be a big surprise.
And the compatibility table says that S-RJ01 is just another one of this "non-surprises".
 
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just tested a 4011 - i paired it up with a CCR1009-8G-1S-1S+ using GE only.
with regards to its single-core CPU performance, i'd say it is at par with the 1.2GHz tilera core, or i might say it is superior just a tiny little bit.

i tested it for a project where we use a cr*pload of tunnel/encapsulation overhead. previously we tried to do this with the hAP ac2, but the uneven core load distribution limited us to ~450Mbps dowstream and ~600Mbps upstream TCP throughput.
now, on the 4011 a single core easily pushes 1Gbps traffic through this massive amount of overhead: IPv4->PPPoE->ethernet->EoIPv6->IPv6->ethernet
long story short, i measured 900Mbps at IP level, and the uplink interface was running at 990Mbps. the limiter was the GE interface between the two boxes, the 2nd one was the single-core performance of the CCR1009.

tomorrow i will check the SFP+ port with all the stuff i have here: active DAC, passive DAC, regular SFP+, DWDM SFP+ etc, and even some 1000-BaseT SFPs.
want to see whether we could go over 1Gbps.
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just tested a 4011 - i paired it up with a CCR1009-8G-1S-1S+ using GE only.
with regards to its single-core CPU performance, i'd say it is at par with the 1.2GHz tilera core, or i might say it is superior just a tiny little bit.

i tested it for a project where we use a cr*pload of tunnel/encapsulation overhead. previously we tried to do this with the hAP ac2, but the uneven core load distribution limited us to ~450Mbps dowstream and ~600Mbps upstream TCP throughput.
now, on the 4011 a single core easily pushes 1Gbps traffic through this massive amount of overhead: IPv4->PPPoE->ethernet->EoIPv6->IPv6->ethernet
long story short, i measured 900Mbps at IP level, and the uplink interface was running at 990Mbps. the limiter was the GE interface between the two boxes, the 2nd one was the single-core performance of the CCR1009.

tomorrow i will check the SFP+ port with all the stuff i have here: active DAC, passive DAC, regular SFP+, DWDM SFP+ etc, and even some 1000-BaseT SFPs.
want to see whether we could go over 1Gbps.
Where did you get one? I'm desperately looking for one with WiFi in Europe
 
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Where did you get one? I'm desperately looking for one with WiFi in Europe
Only non-wifi version is available for now afaik.
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just tested a 4011 - i paired it up with a CCR1009-8G-1S-1S+ using GE only.
Thank you for the tests, sounds very good so far, keep them coming! :)
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sorry for the delay, i have a bunch of other things to focus on. but here's something many were curious about. yes, it does work with DAC cables.
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I'm desperately looking for one with WiFi in Europe
this is a non-wifi unit. i was also told that wireless ones are almost impossible to come by for now.
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So it's working fine with passive DAC? Strange that their own table says it's not supported. Maybe they mean by that, that it might be work, but they are not going to provide support for it. Weird...
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So it's working fine with passive DAC? Strange that their own table says it's not supported. Maybe they mean by that, that it might be work, but they are not going to provide support for it. Weird...
Maybe it works only with shorter ones aka ones that use less power. Though it works with S+RJ10 and copper 10G uses more power than any DAC so... idk.
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Interesting indeed... wonder about other SFPs as well.
Being able to use passive DAC is great news, even if it might be limited to shorter cables.
 
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Interesting indeed... wonder about other SFPs as well.
Being able to use passive DAC is great news, even if it might be limited to shorter cables.
Passive DAC is limited to 5 meter anyway, most common are 1 meter or 3 meter, but anything longer then 5m is active in theory.
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Mon Oct 08, 2018 12:37 am

Passive DAC is limited to 5 meter anyway, most common are 1 meter or 3 meter, but anything longer then 5m is active in theory.
I saw 7m passive. And iirc it's actual max allowed by 10GBase-CR standard.for 10G passive DACs. Active copper DACs are up to 15m. Above you need AOC according to 10GBase-CR.

Here - 7m passive: https://www.fs.com/de/en/products/36655.html
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It is not related with cable length. Passie DAC will cause FCS errors and that is why they are not supported.
 
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And why is the RJ01 not supported?
 
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Even if passive DACs were limited to the shortest ones, it would be enough to have RB4011 sitting on top of switch. Even very short 10cm DAC would be enough in that case, no need for meters long cable...

And why is the RJ01 not supported?
And this is another good question... seems a lot like software limitation.

Also anyone opened the rack mount version yet? Wonder if there is empty mini-pci-e slot inside (used for 2.4GHz wifi in wlan version) you could use or if it's completely omitted...
 
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And why is the RJ01 not supported?
It‘s an SFP+ port, which requires SFP+ Gbics or Transceiver. The S+RJ10 should work.
SFP+ Transceiver can usually be used in SFP ports, but not the other way round.
 
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I'm guessing the answer is a "No", though would the RB4011 support -48v telecom power like the RB1100AHx4? We have quite a few sites with included -48v power or where we have our own -48v rectifier.
 
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I'm guessing the answer is a "No", though would the RB4011 support -48v telecom power like the RB1100AHx4? We have quite a few sites with included -48v power or where we have our own -48v rectifier.
Use an isolated 48v to 24v converter, many of those available on Aliexpress or Ebay.
 
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And why is the RJ01 not supported?
It‘s an SFP+ port, which requires SFP+ Gbics or Transceiver. The S+RJ10 should work.
SFP+ Transceiver can usually be used in SFP ports, but not the other way round.
I already have an RJ01 and my next WAN might only be gigabit. I need all ports.

If there's no official answer, it might just be software.
 
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If there's no official answer, it might just be software.
Official answer: https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/MikroTik ... lity_table
 
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If there's no official answer, it might just be software.
Official answer: https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/MikroTik ... lity_table
That is not the answer to the question why.
 
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Mine was shipped out today, so I can test out that SFP compatibility pretty soon... 8)
 
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Ordered one today since it's now available at several resellers. Thought I'l play it safe and use a S+85DLC03D sfp. Will be interesting to see the performance compared to the old RB1100Hx2. I have a address-lists which takes ages to update at the moment with the current router.
 
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Anyone know if 1Gbps can be achieved if a S+RJ10 is used with this switch? I don't have 10G yet but need to uplink to a 1Gbps SFP managed switch?

Don't see it specifically called out on the capabilities wiki. https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/MikroTik ... lity_table

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Ordered one today since it's now available at several resellers.
Waiting for everyone in this thread to buy one and test it before ordering mine! :lol:
 
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Ordered one today since it's now available at several resellers.
Waiting for everyone in this thread to buy one and test it before ordering mine! :lol:
Now deployed into full operation. So far everything seems OK
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Anyone know if 1Gbps can be achieved if a S+RJ10 is used with this switch? I don't have 10G yet but need to uplink to a 1Gbps SFP managed switch?

Don't see it specifically called out on the capabilities wiki. https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/MikroTik ... lity_table

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By looking at the spec's and diagram, 1Gbps should not pose any problem, unless you will run into link speed negotiation issues. :D
 
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Ordered one too. I went with an international reseller with US plug available. The lack of VAT and lower price made up the difference in shipping estimate on my pre-order from a US reseller. Still no ETA for US resellers.

First thing when it arrives I'm going to test the SFP+ port with a 10GTek 10g copper module.
 
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I received the wired version of the RB4011 today. My first impression is the amazing build quality. It's much more substantial than my RB450Gx4 kit that it will be replacing.
 
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Replaced a RB1100Hx2 with the RB4011 and I'm pleased with the performance. I run 9 vlans via the SFP+ port and are using an OEM sfp which doesn't seem to cause any problems. Only negative is the ugly looking rackmount ears and the power led is unnecessary bright (which I believe is possible to switch off) but I can live with that :)
 
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the power led is unnecessary bright
This is a signature feature of MikroTik equipment. Despite remarks about this running for several years, nobody in development bothers to decrease the current through the blue led.
When you visit a datacenter you see those blue torches everywhere. I suppose that is why they do it.
 
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... and the power led is unnecessary bright
Welcome to like every mikrotik router ever... I always cover them with electrical tape...
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... and the power led is unnecessary bright
Welcome to like every mikrotik router ever... I always cover them with electrical tape...
I usually tune them down with lacquer, which is actually used to darken the car taillights by tuners.
 
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I completed the config last night, but haven't installed the RB4011. I currently have it configured to use the SFP+ port for WAN using a copper module. I briefly test link negotiation with the 10GTek 10G copper module and it worked with a MacBook Pro. We'll see how it works with the DOCSIS 3.1 cable modem.

Hopefully, I'll get a chance to do so tonight.
 
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Hopefully, I'll get a chance to do so tonight.
Look forward to the results.
 
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Hello! Does anyone know if Mikrotik GPON ONU SFP can be used with this device?
 
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No surprises here. The RB4011 is fast. It can easily handle Gigabit Internet.

Unfortunately, the 10GTek SFP+ copper module had link negotiation issues with the DOCSIS 3.1 cable modem. I had to drop back to ether1 as the WAN connection. This means I will not be able to use all the paths to the CPU for best performance. I doubt I'll even come close to making the RB4011 break a sweat.

I have a couple other regular SFP modules that are gigabit only I could try. I have a newbie question: How would I change the WAN interface without redoing my entire config (dstnat, IPv6-PD, default firewalls for both IPv4 and IPv6)? Can I simply switch it using QuickSet?
 
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How would I change the WAN interface without redoing my entire config (dstnat, IPv6-PD, default firewalls for both IPv4 and IPv6)? Can I simply switch it using QuickSet?
If you made any changes outside of Quick Set, then stay away from it. There's no built-in way how to change everything from one interface to another, but it shouldn't be in too many places.
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Wed Oct 17, 2018 11:11 pm

When you want to be flexible w.r.t the WAN interface, you could consider making a new bridge "WAN", change all your config to refer to that bridge instead of the sfp interface, and make either the sfp or the ethernet port the sole member port of that bridge.
It is possible to change config in bulk using commandline using constructs like:
/ip firewall filter
set in-interface=WAN [find where in-interface=sfp1 ]

of course this is only useful in places where a lot of config refers to the same interface.
When this mainly applies to the firewall, it is better to use interface lists. There already is an interface list WAN which you can use to hold the WAN interface you use, and you can use the in-interface-list=WAN construct instead of in-interface=sfp1 to avoid having to change all the firewall rules when you WAN interface changes.
But of course that will not help in some other cases like DHCP client, which would be covered by the "bridge" trick.
 
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Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:26 am

Thanks for all the suggestions. I decided to test additional SFP modules.
  • 10Gtek 10G copper SFP+ module for Cisco did not register in RouterOS
  • 10Gtek 1G copper SFP module for UBNT works fine
I have a UBNT 10/100/1000 SFP module that was not tested because I ran out of time. The RB4011 crashed when configuring IPv6 Client for the SFP+ interface. Initially, the RB4011 did not pick up an address from my ISP and remained invalid. Reloaded the page and logged back in only for Webfig to hang
and not respond. After power cycle the RB4011 refused to boot. Factory reset resolved the problem.

With the SFP+ as WAN line testing is slightly better. In full disclosure it was really good already with ether1 as WAN, and on the previous RB450Gx4. The difference could simply be my ISP, time of day, etc. however, it’s worth it to note that pings dropped about 1ms, jitter was reduced, and max internet speed (gigabit connection) was reached faster in bandwidth test.

Nothing scientific in my experience above. A little concerning about the crash, but I experienced similar random problems when setting up the RB450Gx4. The RB450Gx4 was completely stable after it was successfully configured and I expect the same for the RB4011. The RB4011 is significantly warmer to the touch than the RB450Gx4, however, the internal temp is about 6C higher. Not bad considering its literally double the clock speed. The warmer case temp is likely due to it acting as a giant heat sink.
 
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Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:38 pm

This device does not seem to be very stable, mine has crashed at least twice while configuring... :?
 
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Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:31 pm

This device does not seem to be very stable, mine has crashed at least twice while configuring... :?
Which ROS? We have uptime 11 days on live network without problems. With ROS 6.43.2
LAN, FTTx, Wireless. ISP operator
 
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Mon Oct 22, 2018 7:35 am

This device does not seem to be very stable, mine has crashed at least twice while configuring... :?
Which ROS? We have uptime 11 days on live network without problems. With ROS 6.43.2
Latest 6.43.4 "stable", basically it crashes if you modify/remove default bridge.
 
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@Etz please generate supout file and send it to support.
 
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Wed Oct 24, 2018 7:40 am

Generic active DAC does not seem extortionate, even if it’s 4* cost passive one?
https://www.fs.com/products/48884.html

These particular cables should work fine without any errors.
 
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Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:00 pm

S-3553LC20D should be compatible (based on https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/MikroTik ... lity_table) but i get constant link up/down on latest OS+FW (6.44beta20)
12:56:00 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link down 
12:56:02 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link up (speed 1G, full duplex) 
12:56:03 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link down 
12:56:05 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link up (speed 1G, full duplex) 
12:56:06 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link down 
12:56:08 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link up (speed 1G, full duplex) 
12:56:09 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link down 
12:56:11 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link up (speed 1G, full duplex) 
12:56:12 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link down 
12:56:14 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link up (speed 1G, full duplex) 
12:56:15 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link down 
12:56:17 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link up (speed 1G, full duplex) 
12:56:18 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link down 
12:56:20 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link up (speed 1G, full duplex) 
12:56:21 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link down 
12:56:23 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link up (speed 1G, full duplex) 
12:56:24 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link down 
12:56:26 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link up (speed 1G, full duplex) 
12:56:27 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link down 
12:56:29 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link up (speed 1G, full duplex) 
12:56:30 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link down 
12:56:32 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link up (speed 1G, full duplex) 
12:56:33 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link down 
12:56:35 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link up (speed 1G, full duplex) 
12:56:36 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link down 
12:56:38 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link up (speed 1G, full duplex) 
12:56:39 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link down 
12:56:41 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link up (speed 1G, full duplex) 
12:56:42 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link down 
12:56:44 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link up (speed 1G, full duplex) 
12:56:45 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link down 
12:56:47 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link up (speed 1G, full duplex) 
12:56:48 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link down 

[admin@MikroTik] > /interface ethernet monitor sfp-sfpplus1 once 
                      name: sfp-sfpplus1
                    status: no-link
          auto-negotiation: done
               advertising: 
  link-partner-advertising: 
        sfp-module-present: yes
               sfp-rx-loss: no
              sfp-tx-fault: no
                  sfp-type: SFP-or-SFP+
        sfp-connector-type: LC
       sfp-link-length-9um: 20000m
           sfp-vendor-name: MikroTik
    sfp-vendor-part-number: S-35LC20D
         sfp-vendor-serial: MT805114081
    sfp-manufacturing-date: 18-05-30
            sfp-wavelength: 1310nm
           sfp-temperature: 48C
        sfp-supply-voltage: 3.348V
       sfp-tx-bias-current: 18mA
              sfp-tx-power: -6.004dBm
              sfp-rx-power: -6.453dBm
           eeprom-checksum: good
                    eeprom: 0000: 03 04 07 00 00 00 40 22  00 01 00 01 0d 00 14 c8  ......@" ........
                            0010: 00 00 00 00 4d 69 6b 72  6f 54 69 6b 20 20 20 20  ....Mikr oTik    
                            0020: 20 20 20 20 00 00 00 00  53 2d 33 35 4c 43 32 30      .... S-35LC20
                            0030: 44 20 20 20 20 20 20 20  20 20 20 20 05 1e 00 25  D            ...%
                            0040: 00 1a 00 00 4d 54 38 30  35 31 31 34 30 38 31 20  ....MT80 5114081 
                            0050: 20 20 20 20 31 38 30 35  33 30 20 20 68 90 01 91      1805 30  h...
                            0060: 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20  20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20                   
                            0070: 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20  20 20 20 20 20 20 20 00                  .
                            0080: 64 00 ce 00 55 00 d8 00  94 3e 6d 92 87 5a 7a 76  d...U... .>m..Zzv
                            0090: af c8 00 00 a6 04 00 00  1b a7 03 7b 13 93 04 ea  ........ ...{....
                            00a0: 31 2d 00 0c 1f 07 00 13  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  1-...... ........
                            00b0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  ........ ........
                            00c0: 00 00 00 00 3f 80 00 00  00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00  ....?... ........
                            00d0: 01 00 00 00 01 00 00 00  01 00 00 00 00 00 00 5c  ........ .......\
                            00e0: 30 c4 82 d0 23 28 09 cd  0b d5 ff ff ff ff 00 00  0...#(.. ........
                            00f0: 00 00 00 ff 00 00 ff ff  00 00 ff 00 00 00 00 00  ........ ........

[admin@MikroTik] > /interface ethernet monitor sfp-sfpplus1 once 
                      name: sfp-sfpplus1
                    status: link-ok
          auto-negotiation: done
                      rate: 1Gbps
               full-duplex: yes
           tx-flow-control: no
           rx-flow-control: no
               advertising: 
  link-partner-advertising: 
        sfp-module-present: yes
               sfp-rx-loss: no
              sfp-tx-fault: no
                  sfp-type: SFP-or-SFP+
        sfp-connector-type: LC
       sfp-link-length-9um: 20000m
           sfp-vendor-name: MikroTik
    sfp-vendor-part-number: S-35LC20D
         sfp-vendor-serial: MT805114081
    sfp-manufacturing-date: 18-05-30
            sfp-wavelength: 1310nm
           sfp-temperature: 48C
        sfp-supply-voltage: 3.348V
       sfp-tx-bias-current: 17mA
              sfp-tx-power: -5.996dBm
              sfp-rx-power: -6.462dBm
           eeprom-checksum: good
                    eeprom: 0000: 03 04 07 00 00 00 40 22  00 01 00 01 0d 00 14 c8  ......@" ........
                            0010: 00 00 00 00 4d 69 6b 72  6f 54 69 6b 20 20 20 20  ....Mikr oTik    
                            0020: 20 20 20 20 00 00 00 00  53 2d 33 35 4c 43 32 30      .... S-35LC20
                            0030: 44 20 20 20 20 20 20 20  20 20 20 20 05 1e 00 25  D            ...%
                            0040: 00 1a 00 00 4d 54 38 30  35 31 31 34 30 38 31 20  ....MT80 5114081 
                            0050: 20 20 20 20 31 38 30 35  33 30 20 20 68 90 01 91      1805 30  h...
                            0060: 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20  20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20                   
                            0070: 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20  20 20 20 20 20 20 20 00                  .
                            0080: 64 00 ce 00 55 00 d8 00  94 3e 6d 92 87 5a 7a 76  d...U... .>m..Zzv
                            0090: af c8 00 00 a6 04 00 00  1b a7 03 7b 13 93 04 ea  ........ ...{....
                            00a0: 31 2d 00 0c 1f 07 00 13  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  1-...... ........
                            00b0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  ........ ........
                            00c0: 00 00 00 00 3f 80 00 00  00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00  ....?... ........
                            00d0: 01 00 00 00 01 00 00 00  01 00 00 00 00 00 00 5c  ........ .......\
                            00e0: 30 c4 82 d0 22 f6 09 d2  0b cf ff ff ff ff 00 00  0..."... ........
                            00f0: 00 00 00 ff 00 00 ff ff  00 00 ff 00 00 00 00 00  ........ ........
 
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https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/MikroTik ... ansceivers

[..] settings are needed to be set on both linked devices for required interfaces

Disable auto negotiation on both ends of link and the flapping will stop (tested and confirmed S-53LC20D @ RB4011)
 
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My RB4011 has been rock solid since I put in to use and I'm pleased with the performance. I'm currently running ROS 6.43.2 and use a third party sfp without any hiccups. Wondering if anyone is running long-term (6.42.9) and if it works well? I'd rather run the long-term branch.
 
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Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:48 pm

Wondering if anyone is running long-term (6.42.9) and if it works well? I'd rather run the long-term branch.

I have one on order from r0c-n0c. I will be using long term.

Update:
It shipped with 6.43, so I don't want to downgrade to longterm. Will wait for the next update. I can confirm that the S-RJ01 does not work in this unit (with this firmware). It flaps over and over, I should have read the compatibility list.
 
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Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:45 am

Just got my wired 4011 up in the lab.... I will play with it over the next week. Physically a solid device - but what I don't like >
- miss the beep (dumb I know)
- miss the LCD as it had customer curb appeal even though it was rarely used....
- think it should have USB - storage and WAN
- I really don't get the design - the rack mount ears are not the best. I suspect the rack ears cost as much or more to simply manufacture as a full rack mount chassis like the 3011. Then you could add back the LCD and USB, and penny buzzer.

Perhaps as new SKU is forthcoming with a true rack mount version - but maybe not. Well - I think there should have been 2 SKUs 1) table top and 1) real rack mount. I also would bet the switch menu appears with future updates.... maybe? hoping at least.

my 2 cents ... worth more than a buzzer they neglected to put in. Ok, probably not, but whose counting.
 
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Someone to share test from wireless version or not come yet to anyone?
 
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Someone to share test from wireless version or not come yet to anyone?
I've not seen stock anywhere. No one has one to test yet.
 
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https://linitx.com/search.php?keywords=rb4011 says:
Stock expected 7-Dec-2018
 
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Fri Nov 16, 2018 2:43 pm

Did anyone dissasemble rackmount version? I am curious to know if mpcie slot is present and usable.
 
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You do not need to open it to see that mpcie slot connectors are missing.
 
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Too bad the 4011 lacks LCD & USB... it won't replace my 3011LCD
 
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Fri Nov 23, 2018 9:06 am

A problem with flapping 1G optical SFP interfaces. Two different vendors tested (not Mikrotik). There is no issue when using 10G interfaces.
 
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Disable auto negotiation and 1Gb SFP will work correctly.

https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/MikroTik ... ansceivers
For MikroTik devices with SFP+ interface that support both 10G and 1G link rate following settings are needed to be set on both linked devices for required interfaces. These settings only relate when optical SFP transceivers are used. In order to get them working in 1G link rate, use the following configuration:
  • auto-negotiation disabled
  • port speed 1G
  • FD
Devices which SFP+ ports support 1G links:
  • RB4011 series - SFP+1 interface can be used in 1G mode if required.
 
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Fri Nov 23, 2018 11:36 am

The problem persist with disabled auto negotiation, even between two RB4011 devices.
 
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Fri Nov 23, 2018 12:21 pm

I haven't tested between two RB4011s, but between RB2011 and RB4011 the flapping will stop if you disable autoneg on both the RB4011 and RB2011, not just the RB4011.
 
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If you try to disconnect/connect them a few times, I think that the problem will appear.
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:10 am

I'm pretty interested in this device, since it seems a good successor to the already pretty cool RB2011 series, which my internet provider is kinda recommending.

However I'm very confused about SFP(+) and the compatibility of those modules to this specific device. My provider requires the following specs: 10 km, TX1310 / RX1490nm

I don't seem to find something with those specs from Mikrotik and I'm not sure if some third party interface like the Flexoptix 1G SFP Wideband BiDi LX LC Simplex will be supported. Has anybody any recommendations on this? People in this thread seem to already have problems with the SFP module.

Sorry if it's a stupid question, but I have absolutely no clue about SFP and what all those numbers mean exactly. This seems way more complicated than necessary.
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:43 pm

first quick opinion - it's running hot. really hot, without any serious load.
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:57 pm

first quick opinion - it's running hot. really hot, without any serious load.
No wonder - it's beefy yet passive. CCR1009-PC can give you actual burns if you touch heatsink while it's powered on. Even if idling (there's actually not that huge difference in thermals between idle and stress)
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Thu Nov 29, 2018 11:43 pm

This SFP mess is really annoying! Why can't it just work? If I connect cheap TP-Link switch to Cisco, auto negotiation on SFP works. Same with even cheaper Realtek cards, various Dell servers and other equipment. But no, for Mikrotik, you have to manually set the speeds on both ends.
Where's the problem? Some hardware issue on used chipset/cpu on Mikrotik side? Bad implementation? Incompatibility of some SFPs? Or just laziness to do it right?
And "Just disable auto negotiation and set rate manually" is NOT the solution. What if you can't set other side of the link? Often any administrative change of parameters of upstream link costs extra money. This needs to be either fixed or have warning written on all Mikrotik product pages that SFP port doesn't support auto negotiation. It's 2018 and you expect these things to just work. If there was a list of verified SFPs that do work, that would be fine. But so far it seems auto negotiation on SFP port just doesn't work, no matter what SFP or DAC you use.
Fix it or say clearly it's not supported and will never work!
 
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Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:04 am

Any EOIP / EOIP+IPSEC or VPLS tests ?

Would like to know how it goes against a CCR-1009
 
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Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:17 am

This SFP mess is really annoying! Why can't it just work? If I connect cheap TP-Link switch to Cisco, auto negotiation on SFP works. Same with even cheaper Realtek cards, various Dell servers and other equipment. But no, for Mikrotik, you have to manually set the speeds on both ends.
Where's the problem? Some hardware issue on used chipset/cpu on Mikrotik side? Bad implementation? Incompatibility of some SFPs? Or just laziness to do it right?
And "Just disable auto negotiation and set rate manually" is NOT the solution. What if you can't set other side of the link? Often any administrative change of parameters of upstream link costs extra money. This needs to be either fixed or have warning written on all Mikrotik product pages that SFP port doesn't support auto negotiation. It's 2018 and you expect these things to just work. If there was a list of verified SFPs that do work, that would be fine. But so far it seems auto negotiation on SFP port just doesn't work, no matter what SFP or DAC you use.
Fix it or say clearly it's not supported and will never work!

I have some machines that don't allow disabling auto negotiation on onboard NICs and they improperly negotiate link with S+RJ10 to 10G even though servers have gigabit link. With disabled autonegotiation link doesn't establish at all.

Yes those are shitty machines - deal with it. What to expect, if they weren't I could probably afford Cisco in the first place.
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Sat Dec 01, 2018 12:37 am

Personally I am replacing a rb2011uias-2hnd-in, I never used LCD, USB or speaker, so this is not a big deal for me with the cpu power available. The upgrade on the wireless side is much more a thing for me.
Ordered today the wifi version, found exactly one distributor who has like 40 on stock according their website so seems they are finally in stock. Not sure if I could post which, but it’s one from Latvia with inernational shipping that was in the first results when doing a google search after the full device name.
 
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Sat Dec 01, 2018 1:08 am

Personally I am replacing a rb2011uias-2hnd-in, I never used LCD, USB or speaker, so this is not a big deal for me with the cpu power available. The upgrade on the wireless side is much more a thing for me.
Ordered today the wifi version, found exactly one distributor who has like 40 on stock according their website so seems they are finally in stock. Not sure if I could post which, but it’s one from Latvia with inernational shipping that was in the first results when doing a google search after the full device name.
I don't think it's "secret" anymore. More and more distributors have wifi version available. Eg. CDR in Poland already has them. I randomly checked few days ago. Probably plenty of distributors already have them.
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Sun Dec 02, 2018 2:09 pm

is the 20/24/80/160mhz setting working? tried to use it (default channels or not, various countries or debug, various combinations of main channel and extensions) but wireless adapter (intel ac7260) stopped to see it. on 20/40/80 it works normally (even in the meantime i did a complete reset on 4011, because playing with these various settings made the 5ghz interface inoperable :) )
 
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Re: RB4011

Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:31 am

Hi there,

Few weeks ago, I got my own RB4011 with wireless version.
Let me share few points about this device:
1. The CPU has very well performance, I tested performance with pure NAT, and it only got about 27~30% CPU usage with 1Gb full speed.
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2. Tested performance with my iPhone Xr, using iPerf to test can got about 380~420Mb/s, and sometimes can got over 500Mb/s when iPhone sending packet during test.
3. The case is close to full-metal design (I know the bottom half case is plastic), the CPU is directly using thermal pad to touch metal case to cooling. The CPU temperature is not over 45C since started using.

In summary, this one is a beast, and the price is very well, too. Now decided to use as backup router in my office if main is down (the main is SRX240)

(P.S 160MHz in 5G WIFI is not working on many normal clients, need to set up to 80MHz only.)
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Re: RB4011

Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:20 pm

some tests made with RB4011iGS+5HacQ2HnD and CCR1009-7G-1C-1S+, using bandwidth server, default mtu.
1. i managed to use a 3m direct attach cable between the two sfp+ ports; 10gbps link is negotiated, but is somewhat asymmetrical:
*RB client, CCR server
send, udp - 1650mbps
send, tcp - 740 mbps
receive, udp - 1500kbps
receive, tcp - 500kbps
*CCR client, RB server
send, udp - 2mbps
send, tcp - 500kbps
receive, udp - 1550mbps
receive, tcp - 740mbps
2. after this, i used S+RJ10 and a 2m cat6 patchcord
*RB client, CCR server
send, udp - 1620mbps
send, tcp - 770mbps
receive, udp - 2048mbps
receive, tcp - 900mbps
*CCR client, RB server
send, udp - 2048mbps
send, tcp - 900mbps
receive, udp - 1550mbps
receive, tcp - 740mbps
These 2gbps values are completely stable, not even a spike. cpu un rb is max 25%, on ccr 12%
I'm asking myself... is RB SFP+ link to cpu limited to 2gbps, like these two switches inside, by pcie 1.0 x1?
my first verdict: could be a router offered by providers for future implementations of 2gbps pppoe. or usable as AP, with some smaller wired clients, maybe one with lacp.
 
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Re: RB4011

Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:31 pm

some tests made with RB4011iGS+5HacQ2HnD and CCR1009-7G-1C-1S+, using bandwidth server, default mtu.
Just to be sure, during these tests, you didn't use bandwidth server or testing tools on the Routerboards themselves correct? Only using clients (PC's) that are in front and behind the routers mentioned? If not, and your results seem to suggest this, you are only testing the CPU's in the Routerboards in how well they can generate traffic, not how much traffic they can handle while it's running through the boards, like in a real-world scenario.

The built-in testing tools are only intended to be used to test line bandwidth from one routerboard to another, if you have above a few hundred Mbit's of bandwidth, other factors become the limiting factor and they are useless.
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Re: RB4011

Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:34 pm

The built-in testing tools are only intended to be used to test line bandwidth from one routerboard to another, if you have above a few hundred Mbit's of bandwidth, other factors become the limiting factor and they are useless.
this is what i intended to do. ccr will do better, for sure, but i was intrigued about that fixed line on 2gbps. again, 2.5gbps = pcie 1.0 x.1
i'll do some more tests these days, in a live 10gbps enviroment
 
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Re: RB4011

Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:55 am

The built-in testing tools are only intended to be used to test line bandwidth from one routerboard to another, if you have above a few hundred Mbit's of bandwidth, other factors become the limiting factor and they are useless.
this is what i intended to do. ccr will do better, for sure, but i was intrigued about that fixed line on 2gbps. again, 2.5gbps = pcie 1.0 x.1
i'll do some more tests these days, in a live 10gbps enviroment
Sorry, but I don't think you quite understand. What you have tested is CPU performance, not bandwidth. And in that regard, the RB4011 would actually preform better then a CCR because of higher single threaded performance (The newest newest beta version introduces some multi-threaded performance testing).

If you can test in a live 10Gbit environment and have 2 test boxes (PC's) which can generate and receive the traffic running through the devices, that will be a great test! :D

Testing the 2.5Gbit limit for switch ports is interesting though. Maybe you could also setup a test with multiple clients and then testing 2 switch groups and also in between them.
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Re: RB4011

Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:46 pm

Today Im receive my RB4011iGS+5HacQ2HnD to replace current hAP ac(RB962UiGS-5HacT2HnT). After configuring it to same settings as hAP ac and connecting fibre module to sfp+ I get no link and spf+ interface start flapping:
mikrotik_sfp.jpg
Same configuration work normaly with same fibre module in sfp+ port on CRS326-24G-2S+RM(RouterOS mode)...

After researching and testing and setting different options it start working, then Im figure out that Im disable and enable sfp+ interface and after that it start working normaly... Im retest if this is true(only after reboot sfp+ have problems) and make workaround fix... Because I have on sfp+ pppoe client(and some vlans) Im made script which check if pppoe is connected and if not it disable and enable sfp+ port. Im also make scheduler after reboot and then every 15 seconds which run this script. Im try few reboots and shutdowns and it work without problems. I know that this solution will not work for users which don't have pppoe but maybe help someone also help fix flapping issue using different checking(some remote ip...)
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Re: RB4011

Thu Dec 06, 2018 3:36 pm

So... got RB4011 (wifi edition) couple of days ago... It replaced my hapAC as well :) I just love it has encryption offloading (cpu usage stays under 10% pretty much no matter what - even wen using aes256-sha512). I am however missing USB port, LCD would be nice although not mandatory... And... Is it just me or is SPF+ port mounted upside down? I had couple of issues conntecting it to a switch using LR fiber optics cable, but disabling autonegotiation and setting 10G-full on both sides did the trick.
 
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Re: RB4011

Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:28 pm

In my configuration disabling autonegotiation is not availible option because Im replace ISP Iskratel Innbox V60-U modem with mikrotik and put fibre and SFP module direct on mikrotik, that I don't need 2 devices, can send IPTV&VOIP&INTERNET on same UTP cable(Instead runing each cable for each device) and in this case I don't have access to ISP side to disable autonegotiation.
But Im happy that Im find solution to fix flaping link after reboot(Disabling sfp+ & pppoe client wait 5 seconds and enable both back - if do not help repeat procedure after 20 seconds)...
 
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Re: RB4011

Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:15 pm

And... Is it just me or is SPF+ port mounted upside down?
Yes, it is :D , seems the board is mounted upside-down too (the SFP+ cage and LAN ports are aligned to up side), the LAN ports are upside-down too, "release handle" (don't know how to name it in english :lol: ) on rj45 plug is up too, not down - this also indicating that the PCB is upside-down :) .
Also AKSN74 describing the case materials :)
3. The case is close to full-metal design (I know the bottom half case is plastic), the CPU is directly using thermal pad to touch metal case to cooling. The CPU temperature is not over 45C since started using.
So yes, main board is flipped over (or the CPU is only on top side, connectors, leds, etc. are on bottom side) so the CPU can touch a metal top cover which work as heat sink for CPU.

Would be nice to see HQ photos of what is inside RB4011 :D (both pcb sides :D and with removed thermal pads ).

I'm getting convinced more and more to RB4011 - I wanted to buy rb3011 as my home router, but I'm still hesitating because of the switch chip in rb4011 which is a bit worse than in RB3011, and the SFP+ port which I know won't work with 1G media converters build on Qualcomm chip (like MT RBFTC (yes!) or those cheap RJ45 10/100/1000M to 1G SFP) - Realtek chip based MC works fine (but those are very hard to get in reasonable prices)...
But looking at tests seems the CPU is pretty good match with this castrated-switch-chip, so I have to think really good about the SFP+ port issue and decide which to pick :)
 
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Re: RB4011

Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:52 pm

In my configuration disabling autonegotiation is not availible option because Im replace ISP Iskratel Innbox V60-U modem with mikrotik and put fibre and SFP module direct on mikrotik, that I don't need 2 devices, can send IPTV&VOIP&INTERNET on same UTP cable(Instead runing each cable for each device) and in this case I don't have access to ISP side to disable autonegotiation.
It appears that having autonegotiation on one end and not the other is not a problem on SFP.
Of course on copper ethernet this is a definite no-no as it will end up in one side halfduplex and the other fullduplex.
But on SFP it appears to work different.
Did you actually try setting autonegotiation off and the correct speed and fullduplex, and what happens then?
 
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Re: RB4011

Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:42 pm

It appears that having autonegotiation on one end and not the other is not a problem on SFP.
Of course on copper ethernet this is a definite no-no as it will end up in one side halfduplex and the other fullduplex.
But on SFP it appears to work different.
Did you actually try setting autonegotiation off and the correct speed and fullduplex, and what happens then?
Well... I didn't have such experience. For me disabling autoneg on S+RJ10 and connecting it to onboard NIC of device that doesn't support disabling autoneg simply resulted in "no-link" reported by that device and no connectivity at all. Lack of connectivity whatsoever is quite serious issue in network :P
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Re: RB4011

Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:01 pm

You should not do it with copper ethernet, as I already wrote.
But with fiber it appears to work OK.
Maybe because it cannot work in halfduplex anyway and the speed can be selected to match.
 
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Re: RB4011

Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:16 pm

You should not do it with copper ethernet, as I already wrote.
But with fiber it appears to work OK.
Maybe because it cannot work in halfduplex anyway and the speed can be selected to match.
Yeah it really sucks because S+RJ10 doesn't autoneg to gigabit. Even if there's 1G on the other end it still autonegs to 10G. It's terrible module like I said bilion times. Objectively. The only thing that saves its name is price.
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Re: RB4011

Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:34 pm

In my configuration disabling autonegotiation is not availible option because Im replace ISP Iskratel Innbox V60-U modem with mikrotik and put fibre and SFP module direct on mikrotik, that I don't need 2 devices, can send IPTV&VOIP&INTERNET on same UTP cable(Instead runing each cable for each device) and in this case I don't have access to ISP side to disable autonegotiation.
It appears that having autonegotiation on one end and not the other is not a problem on SFP.
Of course on copper ethernet this is a definite no-no as it will end up in one side halfduplex and the other fullduplex.
But on SFP it appears to work different.
Did you actually try setting autonegotiation off and the correct speed and fullduplex, and what happens then?
Im not shure. When Im uncheck "Auto Negotation" I think Im together with checking "1000M full" also check "1000M half"(My mistake) and didn't work. It is on remote location and can't test this weekend... I will try again next week...
 
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Re: RB4011

Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:22 am

Hello,

I confirm the SFP flaping problem on the RB4011.
I'm using it with this 1G optical interface of my FTTH ISP (1gbps up/down access): https://www.flexoptix.net/en/sfp-bidi-t ... 3095=42306

I tried to disable autonegociation trying the different options, enable/disable, reboot, perform firmware update but it still doesn't work.
My access and optic has no problem and work perfectly on my RB2011 with SFP os this is really a problem with this router.
The optic is recognised in the RB4011 (see dump below) and doesn't indicate problems.

My question is : is it a hardware problem that cannot be fixed by firmware update ?
If this is the case then I will give up this router and look for another solution (maybe use a RB3011).

Thank you for your help,

Mc

The optic is recognised in the RB4011 , here's a partial dump of a /interface ethernet monitor... :
sfp-module-present: yes

sfp-rx-loss: no

sfp-tx-fault: no

sfp-type: SFP-or-SFP+

sfp-connector-type: LC

sfp-link-length-9um: 10000m

sfp-vendor-name: FLEXOPTIX

sfp-vendor-part-number: S.B1312.10.DL

sfp-vendor-revision: A

sfp-vendor-serial: F789HH6

sfp-manufacturing-date: 15-10-14

sfp-wavelength: 1310nm

sfp-temperature: 54C

sfp-supply-voltage: 3.257V

sfp-tx-bias-current: 26mA

sfp-tx-power: -5.699dBm

sfp-rx-power: -3.867dBm

eeprom-checksum: good
 
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Re: RB4011

Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:16 pm

You'll have to disable autonegotiation on both ends of the link for SFP to work correctly.

https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/MikroTik ... ansceivers

If you cannot control the setting on the remote end, the scenario is not supported.
 
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Re: RB4011

Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:23 pm

We have a link between an RB2011 and an RB260 using two Net Insight NPA0022-LJ11 SFP fiber modules and it works
fine no matter if it is configured for autonegotiation or fixed 1G/Fulldup at either end...
(before it was configured for autoneg but I have disabled it because we plan to change to a bidir SFP which works only
without autoneg and wanted to prepare the config for that. so first disabled it at one end, expecting a link failure, but no.
and it was transporting traffic at that time!)
 
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Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:32 pm

Yes, but both RB2011 and RB260GSP have SFP ports, not SFP+
 
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We have a link between an RB2011 and an RB260 using two Net Insight NPA0022-LJ11 SFP fiber modules and it works
fine no matter if it is configured for autonegotiation or fixed 1G/Fulldup at either end...
(before it was configured for autoneg but I have disabled it because we plan to change to a bidir SFP which works only
without autoneg and wanted to prepare the config for that. so first disabled it at one end, expecting a link failure, but no.
and it was transporting traffic at that time!)
The autonegotiation problem only affects SFP+ ports, with 1 Gbit modules - the SFP ones are ok.
 
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Re: RB4011

Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:08 pm

We have a link between an RB2011 and an RB260 using two Net Insight NPA0022-LJ11 SFP fiber modules and it works
fine no matter if it is configured for autonegotiation or fixed 1G/Fulldup at either end...
(before it was configured for autoneg but I have disabled it because we plan to change to a bidir SFP which works only
without autoneg and wanted to prepare the config for that. so first disabled it at one end, expecting a link failure, but no.
and it was transporting traffic at that time!)
The autonegotiation problem only affects SFP+ ports, with 1 Gbit modules - the SFP ones are ok.
Yes but problem is only on RB4011 model. On CRS326-24G-2S+RM(RouterOS mode) same 1Gbit module in SFP+ port work without problem...
 
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Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:58 pm

We have a link between an RB2011 and an RB260 using two Net Insight NPA0022-LJ11 SFP fiber modules and it works
fine no matter if it is configured for autonegotiation or fixed 1G/Fulldup at either end...
(before it was configured for autoneg but I have disabled it because we plan to change to a bidir SFP which works only
without autoneg and wanted to prepare the config for that. so first disabled it at one end, expecting a link failure, but no.
and it was transporting traffic at that time!)
The autonegotiation problem only affects SFP+ ports, with 1 Gbit modules - the SFP ones are ok.
Yes but problem is only on RB4011 model. On CRS326-24G-2S+RM(RouterOS mode) same 1Gbit module in SFP+ port work without problem...
Not quite
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Re: RB4011

Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:28 am

We have a link between an RB2011 and an RB260 using two Net Insight NPA0022-LJ11 SFP fiber modules and it works
fine no matter if it is configured for autonegotiation or fixed 1G/Fulldup at either end...
(before it was configured for autoneg but I have disabled it because we plan to change to a bidir SFP which works only
without autoneg and wanted to prepare the config for that. so first disabled it at one end, expecting a link failure, but no.
and it was transporting traffic at that time!)
The autonegotiation problem only affects SFP+ ports, with 1 Gbit modules - the SFP ones are ok.
Yes but problem is only on RB4011 model. On CRS326-24G-2S+RM(RouterOS mode) same 1Gbit module in SFP+ port work without problem...
Not quite
https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/MikroTik ... ansceivers
I can confirm 1G in SFP+ on 3xx series switches requires disabling autoneg. My 1G copper doesn't even detect link until autoneg is disabled.
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Re: RB4011

Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:57 pm

Really happy with the performance on this device, replaced an aging RB951G that had to used fasttrack and the 4011 handles our 500mbps internet with traffic shaping and IPv6 tunnels with only 25% CPU usage. Only thing I want now is root to install DNSCrypt proxy - anyone found a nice way to root this yet? The RouterOS version it ships with has CVE-2018-14847 patched so I can't use the winbox exploit to create devel login, and no USB port :(. Hoping to avoid pulling it out of production too long, but netbooting might be the only way it seems.
 
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Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:05 pm

Fun fact... According to https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/MikroTik ... lity_table S+DA0001/S+DA0003 aren't supported but... Just tested S+DA0001 (SFP+DAC1M) with a Zyxel XGS 2210 the other side and using autoneg off, 10g fdx, and it seems to work (link up, data flow ok)
 
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Fun fact... According to https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/MikroTik ... lity_table S+DA0001/S+DA0003 aren't supported but... Just tested S+DA0001 (SFP+DAC1M) with a Zyxel XGS 2210 the other side and using autoneg off, 10g fdx, and it seems to work (link up, data flow ok)
iirc MikroTik said that some kind of error correction that is technically required for passive DACs is not supported on 4011 but I guess if you don't have much of em noise in your environment and cable is short (like MikroTik ones) then probably it's not big deal thus "usually" it will work. In average environment.
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Re: RB4011

Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:01 pm

Hello!
I have the following router
model: RB4011iGS+
factory-firmware: 6.43
current-firmware: 6.43.4
pgrade-firmware: 6.43.4

I have instaled SFP module S-53LC20D in SFP+ port of the router. The port has the following settings:
auto-negotiation disabled
port speed 1G
FD
A SFP module S-35LC20D has installed in a switch on the provider's side with auto-negotiation disabled
I think the distance is about 2-5 km

But i have seen as SFP+ interface flapping more times
dec/12 20:54:36 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link up (speed 1G, half duplex) 
dec/12 20:54:37 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link down 
dec/12 20:54:39 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link up (speed 1G, half duplex) 
dec/12 20:54:40 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link down 
dec/12 20:54:42 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link up (speed 1G, half duplex) 
dec/12 20:54:43 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link down 
dec/12 20:54:45 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link up (speed 1G, half duplex) 
dec/12 20:54:46 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link down 
dec/12 20:54:48 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link up (speed 1G, half duplex) 
dec/12 20:54:49 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link down 
dec/12 20:54:51 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link up (speed 1G, half duplex) 
dec/12 20:54:52 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link down 
dec/12 20:54:54 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link up (speed 1G, half duplex) 
dec/12 20:54:55 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link down 
dec/12 20:54:57 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link up (speed 1G, half duplex) 
dec/12 20:54:58 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link down 
dec/12 20:55:00 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link up (speed 1G, half duplex) 
dec/12 20:55:01 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link down 
dec/12 20:55:03 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link up (speed 1G, half duplex) 
dec/12 20:55:04 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link down 
dec/12 20:55:06 interface,info sfp-sfpplus1 link up (speed 1G, half duplex) 
But i see as SFP+ interface flapping a lot of times.
That transceiver work as normal in a switch CSS106-5G-1S from my side. So the link has not issues.
I looked URLs https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/MikroTik ... ansceivers and https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/MikroTik ... lity_table
and i was sure that SFP+ port can work with SFP 1G trancivers.

Where is issue?
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Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:30 pm

same problem with SFP 1G . Auto-negotiation is off. Module GL-OT-SG06SC1-1310-1550-B peremeshano works with RB2011
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Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:32 pm

Are you sure the sfp is configured full duplex on the other side? Then it seems a supported configuration. Have you contacted support?
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:57 pm

I have instaled SFP module S-53LC20D in SFP+ port of the router. The port has the following settings:
.............
Where is issue?
What's the cable length between those SingleMode transceivers? Rough estimate works. 500m? 1km? 2km? 5km? 10km? 15? 20km?
I'm pretty sure we're looking at a dampening issue here.
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:25 pm

I have instaled SFP module S-53LC20D in SFP+ port of the router. The port has the following settings:
.............
Where is issue?
What's the cable length between those SingleMode transceivers? Rough estimate works. 500m? 1km? 2km? 5km? 10km? 15? 20km?
I'm pretty sure we're looking at a dampening issue here.
I think it is between 2-5 km
But i forgot notice that transceiver work as normal in a switch CSS106-5G-1S from my side. So the link has not issues.
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:32 pm

I think it is between 2-5 km
But i forgot notice that transceiver work as normal in a switch CSS106-5G-1S from my side. So the link has not issues.
Weird... maybe try a 2 dB damper anyways? Then again, pretty sure you already tried that.

Then again, I try to avoid SFP Modules in SFP+ slots. Always likely to cause issues, even when "supported".
Could you try a pair of S+2332LC10D?
 
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Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:54 am

Just got the wireless version of the RB4011 with 10Gtek Copper SFP 1G for UBNT.

I initially encountered flapping when the SFP+ port was configured as LAN with autonegotiation enabled and connected to the laptop. The issue was resolved by disabling the port's autonegotiation and setting the speed to 1G, even though autonegotiation was still enabled on the laptop.

With that change on the RB4011, I've not seen flapping when the port is configured as WAN and connected to Arris SBG6580 or Linksys E4200 even though autonegotiation is enabled on the Arris/Linksys.
 
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Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:05 pm

https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/MikroTik ... ansceivers

[..] settings are needed to be set on both linked devices for required interfaces
Disable auto negotiation on both ends of link and the flapping will stop (tested and confirmed S-53LC20D @ RB4011)
Same goes for me - I could only get the link to work with an SFP module after asking the provider to turn off autonegotiation on their end as well.

Can this issue be avoided in a future RouterOS update or is it due to a hardware limitation?
 
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Re: RB4011

Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:09 pm

so - is the 160mhz channels option working?
just tested with a killer 1550 client, intel-based, capable of 160mhz, no success
doesn't matter which client i'm using, ap isn't available anymore, until is set back to 20/40/80.

offtopic a bit - could someone point me to a topic discussing LACP? i haven't succeeded to obtain more than 1gbps ... one of lacp members stays relaxed, doing nothing :)
also, wins server / master browser? thanks in advance!
 
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Re: RB4011

Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:03 am

offtopic a bit - could someone point me to a topic discussing LACP? i haven't succeeded to obtain more than 1gbps ... one of lacp members stays relaxed, doing nothing :)
also, wins server / master browser? thanks in advance!
You could try different Transmit Hash Policy
 
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Re: RB4011

Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:07 am

offtopic a bit - could someone point me to a topic discussing LACP? i haven't succeeded to obtain more than 1gbps ... one of lacp members stays relaxed, doing nothing :)
also, wins server / master browser? thanks in advance!
You could try different Transmit Hash Policy
tested layer 2 and layer2+layer3, same result.
 
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Re: RB4011

Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:53 pm

There's no hashing algorithm that would allow all bonded interfaces to be used by a single connection (e.g. single TCP or UDP stream running, say, iperf). However, different hashing algorithms mean different probability that two connections will use distinct bond members. The only standard hash algorithm that makes probable use of distinct bond members for connections between same server and client (i.e. multi-stream iperf test) is layer-3-and-4.
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Re: RB4011

Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:28 pm

There's no hashing algorithm that would allow all bonded interfaces to be used by a single connection (e.g. single TCP or UDP stream running, say, iperf). However, different hashing algorithms mean different probability that two connections will use distinct bond members. The only standard hash algorithm that makes probable use of distinct bond members for connections between same server and client (i.e. multi-stream iperf test) is layer-3-and-4.
so which will be the appropriate choice in case of smb (i'll say smbv3 with multichannel enabled by default)?
on the other hand, not every client [i.e. NAS] will accept layer-3-and-4
 
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Re: RB4011

Tue Dec 18, 2018 5:58 pm

There's no hashing algorithm that would allow all bonded interfaces to be used by a single connection (e.g. single TCP or UDP stream running, say, iperf). However, different hashing algorithms mean different probability that two connections will use distinct bond members. The only standard hash algorithm that makes probable use of distinct bond members for connections between same server and client (i.e. multi-stream iperf test) is layer-3-and-4.
so which will be the appropriate choice in case of smb (i'll say smbv3 with multichannel enabled by default)?
on the other hand, not every client [i.e. NAS] will accept layer-3-and-4
The highest layer acceptable for both sides. You might want to experiment with settings not being the same on both sides. After all, receiver will probably accept whatever arrives at any bond interfaces, most of the time all of them use same MAC address. The hash algorithm is important when transmiting to spread utilization of all interfaces as evenly as possible.

The high-level protocol doesn't matter. If smbv3 uses different tcp ports on either side (server or client), then layer4 hashing algorithm will distribute separate streams for single client evenly across interfaces while l3 or l2 will not..
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Re: RB4011

Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:05 pm

So far the RB4011iGS+RM has been a great replacement for routing from my CRS125-24G-1S-2HnD-IN, I still us the CRS125 as a switch, but wireless is disabled since I use a wAP AC in the middle of my house. I did notice that the RB4011 gets warm even when its not doing anything, I had mine plugged in but not configured and was warm. So far my speedtests are consistently my max speeds. CPU has no problem with my big block lists every 12 hours only tipping the CPU up 5%. I did get a 10Gtek SFP fiber module (https://amzn.to/2BxD0RE) for both devices as an interlink, on the CRS125 it just worked with no additional configuration, on the RB4011 I was getting the disconnection problems others have mentioned, but I just set the SFP+ port to 1G Full Duplex and have no problems after setting that.
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The LCD screen was cool on other devices but I never look at it, and USB I don't have a use for, it would be nice if it was able to connect a printer or hard drive as a network shared devices, but I never worried for at home to have backup cell access. I would recommend this as an update for home or small offices for sure. If I didn't have a CCR1009-7G-1C-1S+ at work from the guys who run the WISP who couldn't use it, than I would get one for our small office.
Also the easiest way I found to get one of these was from a dealer through Amazon (https://amzn.to/2UWuXae)
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Re: RB4011

Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:54 am

So I also have issue with SFP not working in SFP+ port... it was working fine in rb2011 but no luck with rb4011... Im using it to connect to computer that has pcie sfp card in it with mikrotik sfps on both ends... tried turning auto neg. off on both sides but no luck... whatever option I try rb4011 always says its connected but on computer side network card is flaping on/off constantly... damn it mikrotik cant you fix this

edit: on computer side I have Planet gigabit card PLT-ENW-9701 with Mikrotik S-85DLC05D in it, and same Mikrotik SFP modul in RB4011... cant get it to work, and it worked perfectly with RB2011...
 
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Re: RB4011

Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:10 pm

Also got the exact same problem. I unfortunately can't turn off autoneg on my provider's side, so I hope a software-side fix is possible. I received my router a few days ago so it still is under warranty, maybe I could contact support about a potential fix?
 
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Re: RB4011

Sun Jan 06, 2019 3:24 pm

Gezz, this flapping issue is getting anyyoying as hek.

I have this same issue and i've spent lot of hours into research , it came up " disable autonegotiation on both end" on every topic. Are you kidding me, i dont have access on that part. ISP stuff work everywhere but Mikrotik.

Im using RB4011.
Moving on to EdgeRouter.
 
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Re: RB4011

Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:05 am

Gezz, this flapping issue is getting anyyoying as hek.

I have this same issue and i've spent lot of hours into research , it came up " disable autonegotiation on both end" on every topic. Are you kidding me, i dont have access on that part. ISP stuff work everywhere but Mikrotik.

Im using RB4011.
Moving on to EdgeRouter.
CCR1009 works. You just cheaped out xP

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Re: RB4011

Mon Jan 07, 2019 2:00 pm

I'm having the exact same issue I have 2 Mikrotik devices. I was upgrading one device RB2011UiAS-2HnD-IN to the RB4011iGS+5HacQ2HnD-IN, and my SFP device ( S-85DLC05D ) can't keep the link/interface up as it does on the original routerboard. It's interfacing with another RB2011UiAS-2HnD-IN with another S-85DLC05D.

Has anyone found a workaround yet?

So I also have issue with SFP not working in SFP+ port... it was working fine in rb2011 but no luck with rb4011... Im using it to connect to computer that has pcie sfp card in it with mikrotik sfps on both ends... tried turning auto neg. off on both sides but no luck... whatever option I try rb4011 always says its connected but on computer side network card is flaping on/off constantly... damn it mikrotik cant you fix this

edit: on computer side I have Planet gigabit card PLT-ENW-9701 with Mikrotik S-85DLC05D in it, and same Mikrotik SFP modul in RB4011... cant get it to work, and it worked perfectly with RB2011...
 
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Re: RB4011

Mon Jan 07, 2019 2:17 pm

Note: The RB4011 does not support Passive DAC modules, 1GB copper SFP modules and SFP GPON modules.
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Re: RB4011

Mon Jan 07, 2019 2:45 pm

So after reading a bit more through the forum, I was able to get it to stay stable by turning autonegation off and 1G FD... however, I had to set the same setting on the other Mikrotik router also (ie the RB2011UiAS-2HnD-IN #2).

I'm having the exact same issue I have 2 Mikrotik devices. I was upgrading one device RB2011UiAS-2HnD-IN to the RB4011iGS+5HacQ2HnD-IN, and my SFP device ( S-85DLC05D ) can't keep the link/interface up as it does on the original routerboard. It's interfacing with another RB2011UiAS-2HnD-IN with another S-85DLC05D.

Has anyone found a workaround yet?

So I also have issue with SFP not working in SFP+ port... it was working fine in rb2011 but no luck with rb4011... Im using it to connect to computer that has pcie sfp card in it with mikrotik sfps on both ends... tried turning auto neg. off on both sides but no luck... whatever option I try rb4011 always says its connected but on computer side network card is flaping on/off constantly... damn it mikrotik cant you fix this

edit: on computer side I have Planet gigabit card PLT-ENW-9701 with Mikrotik S-85DLC05D in it, and same Mikrotik SFP modul in RB4011... cant get it to work, and it worked perfectly with RB2011...
 
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Re: RB4011

Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:41 pm

Today I received my new rb4011 with wifi. Apart from the previously mentioned subjects (usb and lcd) it does not have a beeper either
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Re: RB4011

Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:44 am

Today I received my new rb4011 with wifi. Apart from the previously mentioned subjects (usb and lcd) it does not have a beeper either
And user LED :(
 
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Re: RB4011

Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:23 pm

But it *does* have the signature MikroTik built-in torch light!
 
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Re: RB4011

Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:39 pm

But it *does* have the signature MikroTik built-in torch light!
I'm all for bright leds - sometimes they are a life saver. But it would be great if we got these torches with a "mute" option. Something like "/system leds all dim|bright". THAT would be great. :D
 
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Re: RB4011

Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:07 pm

I use a piece of back tape for that... but it looks ugly.
When you walk in a datacenter you immediately notice where is the MikroTik equipment.... and probably that is the reason for it.
 
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Re: RB4011

Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:19 am

I just switch from RB2011 to RB4011 and I do experience some weird things. First is known -> sfp module which I can bring to live by disabling auto negotiation and by repeated switching between 10G and 1G mode. Then at one point it starts to work and it works until the next reboot. Sometimes it connects at 10 sometimes at 1. At least it says so in the logs. Can't prove whether this is true.

Wireless works okeish, but the biggest problem (beside damn sfp) is that it happens all the time that internet connection stalls for a while (wire or wireless), there is nothing in the logs and when I do check speed tests its maxed out. My configuration, which is not that complex, worked flawlessly for years on RB2011 except the box become a bit slow on wireless and could not digest upgraded WAN speeds any more.

The question is: is this occasionally stall happening to you as well? On first glimpse it looked like DNS is not resolving, but I guess the problem is more sinister?
 
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Re: RB4011

Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:42 pm

Does anyone have this problem?
the 5g interface does not show the current tx power table
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this are the settings:
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Re: RB4011

Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:41 am

The problem persist with disabled auto negotiation, even between two RB4011 devices.
Issue reproduced between 2x RB4011, will be fixed in upcoming beta versions.

I unfortunately can't turn off autoneg on my provider's side, so I hope a software-side fix is possible.
I do not want to promise it, but we will look forward to add 1Gbps transceiver support with
auto-negotiation=on
on both sides. Generally in RouterOS it is necessary to force 1Gbps mode on SFP+(10G) interfaces.
 
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Re: RB4011

Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:54 am


I unfortunately can't turn off autoneg on my provider's side, so I hope a software-side fix is possible.
I do not want to promise it, but we will look forward to add 1Gbps transceiver support with
auto-negotiation=on
on both sides. Generally in RouterOS it is necessary to force 1Gbps mode on SFP+(10G) interfaces.
Hi, if you manage to make it works this would be terrific Image, not only for 4011 but others RB/CRS/CCRs with 10G SFP+ too.

This might be solution for MediaConverters based on Qualcomm chip who don't want to work with SFP(1G) module when it's plugged in SFP+ cage :( .

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Re: RB4011

Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:23 pm

The problem persist with disabled auto negotiation, even between two RB4011 devices.
Issue reproduced between 2x RB4011, will be fixed in upcoming beta versions.

I unfortunately can't turn off autoneg on my provider's side, so I hope a software-side fix is possible.
I do not want to promise it, but we will look forward to add 1Gbps transceiver support with
auto-negotiation=on
on both sides. Generally in RouterOS it is necessary to force 1Gbps mode on SFP+(10G) interfaces.
It's actually really interesting because this particular 1G module:

https://www.fs.com/de-en/products/29838.html

Works for me with autoneg on in CRS317. So what is deciding factor that makes 1G module work or not? (it's worth to mention that their copper modules don't, so it really is just this particular one that actually works).

And to prove my point here's photo:
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I also tested this: https://www.fs.com/de-en/products/16271.html and it works as well. Connecting CRS to non-Mikrotik gear was also successful. Unfortunately I tried their LX modules and it doesn't seem to work (without autoneg off). That said I don't have 2 LX modules made by them so I tried to connect regular 10km LX to SX 1310nm combo MM/SM 2km. Maybe only one of them doesn't work with autoneg on.

So if you need LX modules and want to bite a bullet (not that 14$ sounds like kidney tbh) then I guess you can try it. If you need SX then go on. Here's how it works on CRS. I don't have RB4011 to test tho. This topic intrigued me so much that I'll probably buy another LX and another SX/LX 1310nm combo just to see whether it works. But I need to wait for salary so not this month as I'm broke ._.

I knew it's unusual from very beginning that they worked with autoneg on, so I even asked FS.COM support what's their sorcery but they didn't reveal it xD. Maybe @mikrotik you could ask them how it works to implement such thing in your official SX/LX modules? Or just simply OEM from them lul.
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Re: RB4011

Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:35 pm

By the spec sheet:
DC jack input Voltage 12-57 V
Max power consumption 33 W

Now wondering, when powered on 12V how much Amps should PSU provide?
Spec sheet does not say anything on which voltage that 33W is consumed.

Does anyone has any idea?
 
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Re: RB4011

Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:50 pm

P = U * I (Watts = Voltage * Current)

So when you have 12V at 33W the current is 33/12 = 2.75A.
When you are running it at 24V, current is 33/24 = 1.375A.
(those are probably "maximum" values, not what it will draw all the time)

Why is the current becoming less when the voltage increases? Isn't the current increasing due to Ohms law? (U = I * R)
No, because equipment like this contains a switch-mode regulator, that actually converts power from the input voltage
into the desired output voltage that internally operates the electronics (e.g. 5V or 3.3V). So when the voltage drops,
the current increases to maintain the same power.
 
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Re: RB4011

Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:52 pm

"router rebooted because some critical program crashed"

RB4011 doing NAT ~500mbps, cpu 20-30%
reboots every few days. Routeros 6.43.4

What this critical program issue means?
What could be solution ?
 
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Re: RB4011

Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:05 am

"router rebooted because some critical program crashed"

RB4011 doing NAT ~500mbps, cpu 20-30%
reboots every few days. Routeros 6.43.4

What this critical program issue means?
What could be solution ?
Try and update to latest stable first, if the problem then still occurs, open a support ticket and run a support out file so they can diagnose the problem. :)
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Re: RB4011

Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:44 pm

Why is the current becoming less when the voltage increases? Isn't the current increasing due to Ohms law? (U = I * R)
I know the Ohm's law, just forgot about the Watt to Amp relationship...and switching power supplies related stuff... :D

Actually, my general plan is to use single power source for three devices, all of these can handle 12V input, so...it is simply question about the Amperage.
Seems like 12V 5A powerbrick, wired into UPS is plenty.
 
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Re: RB4011

Mon Jan 21, 2019 4:34 am

My RB4011 wlan1 disabling itself.
RouterOS version 6.43.8
Is this a software issue or a hardware issue?
 
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Re: RB4011

Mon Jan 21, 2019 3:05 pm

My RB4011 wlan1 disabling itself.
RouterOS version 6.43.8
Is this a software issue or a hardware issue?
It's a SW issue.
Save config "exp file=current.cfg.rsc", copy to computer
Try flashing 6.43.8 from NetInstall.
Load config "imp file=current.cfg.rsc"
I had the same problem with ether1-ether5 ports: after a few time, ports disabling itself.
 
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Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:09 am

hi..ive got RB4011iGS+5Ha... for 3 weeks and about 2 days ago i figured out that 5GHz wifi "start disapearing" after about 1 day in wifi interfaces i can see its in "running ap" status but i cant scan it on another devices (2phones/1ntb) when i try to disable and enable it again it will never get to "running ap" status agan it stucks in "initializing" phase.. i have to reboot whole RB to get it working again..
problem occurs on ROS 6.43.8(firmware version matching ROS) and 6.44beta61(firmware version matching ROS)

previously ive got CRS125-24G-1S-2HnD i was able to achive uptimes >200days (rebooting mostly due to SW/FW upgrades..)

quite annoying.. anyone else having these problems? any way to solve it? or RMA? thanks for sugestions..

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Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:09 pm

Hello,

I'm having exactly the same issue on my 4011.
2.4GHz WIFI works, but 5GHz wifi disappears every 1-3 days. Interface is up but other clients cannot detect the AP. I need to completely reboot the device to get it back online.
I've opened support case with Mikrotik but so far no luck.
 
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Re: RB4011

Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:53 am

We are trying to reproduce your mentioned 5ghz wireless issue, currently everything works for us as expected. We will appreciate information which could help us to reproduce the issue, maybe someone can provide us step by step guide how to trigger this glitch?
 
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Hello,

I'm having exactly the same issue on my 4011.
2.4GHz WIFI works, but 5GHz wifi disappears every 1-3 days. Interface is up but other clients cannot detect the AP. I need to completely reboot the device to get it back online.
I've opened support case with Mikrotik but so far no luck.
Hello, I just want to report I am having this same issue as well. The 5ghz is dropping frequently. I enabled the logging to echo but didn't see anything of value, the interface just stays in "initializing".

I have been playing with the settings over the week, I was not getting the expected throughput (100Mbps up and down, eventually got it too ~190 down; ~400 up). The ISP provided router was closer to 300 down, 400 up (using the speed test app on my phone); the WAN connection is 1Gbps. I set the Channel Width to 20/40/80mMHz XXXX, frequency to auto, Country to Canada, installation to indoor; Distance to Indoor; disabled WPS; WDS is disable; I tried fixed tx power rates at 17 at well.
 
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Re: RB4011

Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:25 pm

Hi everyone! I'm new to the forum and to Mikrotik. Just got my RB4011 a few days ago and got the basic configuration complete, and was happy to replace my old tp-link router once and for all. I am certainly no network engineer, but I was finding myself frustrated with consumer network products. A friend of mine runs a wifi internet provider and swears by Mikrotik and recommended them. I also looked at Ubiquiti, but the RB4011 ticked the most boxes for me. RouterOS will take some time to learn, but on the whole it seems really well built and expandable, and I'm really happy with the product so far.

The only thing I was underwhelmed with was the wifi. I was hoping to be impressed, but actually it's been a downgrade from my midrange pre-MIMO tp-link ac router. It has generally seemed a bit slower to connect, range is about the same if not a bit less. Speed is ok, but sometimes it seems like it hangs for a while. I'm on fibre internet, so it's unusual. Also it seems to either drop occasionally or restart a bit more than I'd expect when I touch anything in config. I can't always tell if a page is just loading slow or if it's a router issue, it just generally feels a bit less stable and less solid than I'm used to.

The only thing I can find in the log when the wifi drops and restarts is the error msg below. The strange thing is the admin user is disabled and I'm logged in using a new custom user with admin privileges. It always points to my lan ip, so it's not like I'm being hacked... At first I thought I have a setting wrong, or that a browser plugin was interfering. But I switched to winbox and notice it happened again. So, since I came across this thread, I thought I'd ask to see if that sounds similar to what you guys are seeing, so I don't start tweaking all kinds of settings for nothing.

Thanks for the help.

Time Feb/27/2019 00:00:00
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Message login failure for user admin from <<ip>> via web
 
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Re: RB4011

Thu Feb 28, 2019 8:11 pm

Hi, i have a problem with my mikrotik 4011

when ethernet cable plug-in in port eth2 or eth7 green leds are not blinking, but connection is working.
If plug-in cable in other ports then i can see the green led
in connection i use the same cable.
anyone know what is it ??

when routers loaded all 10 leds are blinking
 
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Re: RB4011

Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:45 am

To those having bad 5Ghz problems, do not choose auto. It may be that MikroTik is choosing a dFS channel and not all modern devices support DFS channels properly.
 
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Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:25 pm

To those having bad 5Ghz problems, do not choose auto. It may be that MikroTik is choosing a dFS channel and not all modern devices support DFS channels properly.
Thanks for the tip. I found the same out on my own, and things were working better for a while, but today the 5g started acting up again. The router says it's enabled, but it doesn't show up in my list of wifi networks on android. Have you found any other tweaks that work?
 
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Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:16 pm

We are trying to reproduce your mentioned 5ghz wireless issue, currently everything works for us as expected. We will appreciate information which could help us to reproduce the issue, maybe someone can provide us step by step guide how to trigger this glitch?
I don't believe I did anything to trigger this, other than disconnect leaving nothing connected to the AP. The next time I went to use it, hours later, the AP was gone.
I also was using a virtual AP when I first got this.
 
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Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:25 pm

not using any virtual APs on 5GHz an still have issues.. but its very random right now 8days uptime without problem..
 
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Re: RB4011

Wed May 15, 2019 3:18 pm

Has anyone notice one and the same mac address on sfp+ and wlan1 interfaces???

Just after upgrade and reset-config:

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Re: RB4011

Wed May 15, 2019 8:15 pm

Has anyone notice one and the same mac address on sfp+ and wlan1 interfaces???

Just after upgrade and reset-config:

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Same problem here..
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Re: RB4011

Wed May 15, 2019 9:29 pm

Anyone managed to try the new S+RJ10 with the 4011 yet? (the /r2 hardware revision)
 
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Re: RB4011

Thu May 16, 2019 8:39 pm

Yes, i am using S+RJ10 modules between RB4011 and CRS328.
 
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Re: RB4011

Thu May 16, 2019 8:52 pm

Yes, i am using S+RJ10 modules between RB4011 and CRS328.
Ouch. Any particular reason to go with such setup? Existing, long cabling? 10G-SR modules cost like 16$ plus few bucks for LC optical patchcords comparing to 65$ for S+RJ10. 10G copper seems to be insanely expensiive. Especially non-mikrotik modules which go for like 150$.
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Re: RB4011

Thu May 16, 2019 9:01 pm

I can not use fiber because of my existing cables. The only one problem with RB4011 is the high working temperature of the SFP+ module.
 
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Re: RB4011

Thu May 16, 2019 9:04 pm

I can not use fiber because of my existing cables. The only one problem with RB4011 is the high working temperature of the SFP+ module.
So I assume you use longer copper cables if replacement would be problematic? What cable length do you use? I was always interested in actual maximum cable length for 10G copper modules. Because declared 30m sounds like rather "better safe than sorry" requirement. Not real limit where transfare rates start to significantly struggle.
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Re: RB4011

Fri May 17, 2019 7:40 am

It is less than 10 meters CAT5E without shild.
 
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Re: RB4011

Fri May 17, 2019 11:00 pm

It is less than 10 meters CAT5E without shild.

oh. Well...

10G SR module 15$ x2 : https://www.fs.com/de-en/products/74668.html
10m OM2 LC-LC patchcord 5$ : https://www.fs.com/de-en/products/74394.html
total 35$ (or 42$ incl. VAT)

S+RJ10 65$ x2
cat5 cable 0$
total 130$

actually even using original MikroTik SR modules (60$) it still saves around 5$ xD
Mostly because S+RJ10 is really cheap comparing to other 10G copper modules. With "normal" copper modules for like 150$ optics are ridiculously cheaper, more than 10x cheaper.

That's why I was a bit surprised a bit.
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Re: RB4011

Sat May 18, 2019 8:16 am

I agree with you! But my tubes in the wall are full and it was a quick and dirty solution :-) If i will have to interconnect my equipments in the rack than the optic modules will be the solution.
 
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Re: RB4011; 802.11ax

Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:35 am

The 802.11ax standart is knocking on the door.
So Im wondering if its possible to replace the existing rb4011igs+5hacq2hnd-in mpcie card with a newer 802.11ax generation when its available ?

Will it be possible such a feature to be implemented in a near future ?
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Re: RB4011; 802.11ax

Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:20 am

The 802.11ax is knocking on the door.
So Im wondering if its possible to replace the existing rb4011igs+5hacq2hnd-in mpcie card with a newer 802.11ax generation when its available ?

Will it be possible such a feature to be implemented in a near future ?
Most likely not. Waiting for a new device. I hope it will work immediately without any problems.
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Re: RB4011

Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:24 pm

Thank you !

I bought this router 2 months ago because I prefer that kind of hardware - all in one. I don't want to use router, switch and AP as separate devices.
Most of users like me use this unit for domestic needs .so we prefer to be all in one device.
I waited so long to buy this router because now ROS is much better than before especially in terms of 802.11ac performance. and SFP usage
So I dont want to spend another 2-3 years waiting new device to come (RB 5011 may be .. )
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Re: RB4011

Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:02 pm

I don't see why mPCIe card wouldn't be replaceable, as long as the new one will be supported by RouterOS. You can't just buy first card you see, because RouterOS definitely doesn't support all chipsets, but once some mPCIe ax card from MikroTik comes out, it must work.
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Re: RB4011

Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:09 pm

Thanks Sob

Yep I mean card from Mikrotik for sure.

That would be very useful despite of this that would run only at 2.4Ghz spectrum because of the antenna .
 
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Re: RB4011

Fri Sep 20, 2019 6:54 pm

Also interested in the flexibility of that m-PCIe slot. If I got the wireless version, could I pull the existing card and put in the R11e-LTE to have an internal LTE modem? Antennas would need to be added but that is fine.
 
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Re: RB4011

Sat Sep 21, 2019 6:10 pm

If there is a Sim card slot on board then you should be able to insert gsm modem card.

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Re: RB4011

Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:16 pm

Note: The RB4011 does not support Passive DAC modules, 1GB copper SFP modules and SFP GPON modules.
Would support for GPON ever change (firmware) or is this a hardware issue? If we want GPON should we stick to RB3011?
 
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Re: RB4011

Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:48 pm

Would support for GPON ever change (firmware) or is this a hardware issue? If we want GPON should we stick to RB3011?
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What is the reason for this limitation?
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Re: RB4011

Mon Sep 30, 2019 6:54 pm

Natively rb4011 don't support 1G in sfp+ but there are modules that do work when the sfp+ is hard-configured to 1G (1.25). Check topic Usage GPON module SFP in Spain there is one or 2 person's who confirmed that some GPON stick do work (those directly from Chinese manufacturers in which you can change sn/password/etc...).

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Re: RB4011

Tue Oct 01, 2019 7:12 pm

some GPON units work, some don't. it seems to me like QA issue.
 
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Re: RB4011

Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:44 am

Can anyone tell me what I might expect routing between 10 subnets using just the sfp+ connected to CCS326 might give me? Currently, I have a FortiGate 200b as my Firewall/router and it will remain the firewall to the internet, but when I am running test on some of my esx hosts that are 10G capable its maxing my CPU on my FortiGate. The fortage currently has 22 inter VLAN rules to allow traffic to pass there rules are mostly whole subnet to whole subnet on one port. Some rules are a few ips to a few ips, seems pretty simple.

I don't expect 10gbps and I don't need it, would be nice for the testing but I am realistic person its a 190.00 router. I just want to be able to run my test and not take down my network. If you say I need to save my pennies maybe I just need the 1009.

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Re: RB4011

Thu Oct 03, 2019 4:31 am

Can anyone tell me what I might expect routing between 10 subnets using just the sfp+ connected to CCS326 might give me? Currently, I have a FortiGate 200b as my Firewall/router and it will remain the firewall to the internet, but when I am running test on some of my esx hosts that are 10G capable its maxing my CPU on my FortiGate. The fortage currently has 22 inter VLAN rules to allow traffic to pass there rules are mostly whole subnet to whole subnet on one port. Some rules are a few ips to a few ips, seems pretty simple.

I don't expect 10gbps and I don't need it, would be nice for the testing but I am realistic person its a 190.00 router. I just want to be able to run my test and not take down my network. If you say I need to save my pennies maybe I just need the 1009.

-Fred
Depending on load characteristics RB4011 will outperform CCR1009. It will easily pull off 10G, just like CCR1009 (providing you use fasttrack in firewall, otherwise not rly but CCR1009 won't either). RB4011 will be better at handling fewer high throughput connections while CCR1009 will be better at handling thousands of smaller connections saturating 10G interconnect. It makes RB4011 great router if you're streaming or routing storage, hosting big files etc. - scenarios where CCR1009 sometimes struggles to hit 10G. Those devices are similar in overal performance - they're just optimized for different load characteristics.

TL;DR RB4011 is really capable router and my friend uses it for 10G inter VLAN routing with CRS317. It pulls off 10G without a sweat in most scenarios (except large scale with thousands of tiny connections).

Imho as of now RB4011 is no brainer unless you need some specific CCR features like smart card, additional SFP interface, usb, microSD, higher throughput for gigabit interfaces (because RB4011 has 5G aggegated bandwidth to gigabit interfaces - 2.5G per switch, while CCR1009 8G aggregated for 8 interfaces - no switch chip). And I'm saying that as CCR1009 owner. I just keep lying to myself that I totally need this touchscreen LCD so I don't feel like I wasted money...
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Re: RB4011

Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:22 pm

Had an odd issue recently, my 4011 seemed to have a thread stuck at 100% CPU. Had to reboot to get it to go away. Anyone else seen this before?

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Re: RB4011

Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:22 pm

If you see unclassified process, generate supout file and send it to support.
 
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Re: RB4011

Thu Oct 03, 2019 4:09 pm

@lapsio Thank you that is exactly what I wanted to hear.
 
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Re: RB4011

Fri Oct 04, 2019 12:58 pm

TL;DR RB4011 is really capable router and my friend uses it for 10G inter VLAN routing with CRS317. It pulls off 10G without a sweat in most scenarios (except large scale with thousands of tiny connections).
I agree the RB4011 has lots of grunt. I have just set up a site with 17 CAPACs and am using non-local forwarding CAPSMAN configurations running off some bridges in an RB4011. The RB4011 is connected to a CRS328 switch using only a 10Gbit SFP+. Given my experience using 12 CAPAC/WAPACs in a similar setup using a hEX (amazingly it copes very well with the load) I don't anticipate any problems.

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