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RB4011 wireless performance?

Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:15 am

It would be great if there was a CAP with 4x4 AC-V2. But maybe some day...

How is the wireless performance on the 4011 as JUST a wireless access point?

The CEO is pushing hard to bring in Meraki. I would love to have a $250 Mikrotik kick the Crap out of the $1600 Wireless Access Point.
The routing beat down they will not soon forget. Mikrotik routing proved vastly supperior in the head to head. So Meraki is off the table for routing. I know the cAP AC is going to get beat. But I have hope that the 4011 might pull off the same upset.

So... Success stories?
Throughput measurements?

Is it worth it for me to bring one in?
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Re: RB4011 wireless performance?

Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:41 am

Is it worth it for me to bring one in?

Sounds exciting!

For the group here, it is absolutely worth it for you to try. I don't see how the MikroTik WiFi will be faster, however. If the speed is on par with QoS in the network, it should be acceptable though. The real question will be laptop to server performance and if that is good enough for their use cases.
 
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Re: RB4011 wireless performance?

Sat Jan 05, 2019 6:44 am

At this moment bad, we tested 3 Intel Based AC Laptops and both are only able to connect to 54 MBit.....
 
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Re: RB4011 wireless performance?

Sat Jan 05, 2019 2:07 pm

At this moment bad, we tested 3 Intel Based AC Laptops and both are only able to connect to 54 MBit.....
Kind of seems "par" for Mikrotik with wireless devices. They release them and it takes several months and routerOS/firmwares before they start showing acceptable results.

I went through that with the wAP AC.
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Re: RB4011 wireless performance?

Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:34 pm

At this moment bad, we tested 3 Intel Based AC Laptops and both are only able to connect to 54 MBit.....
Kind of seems "par" for Mikrotik with wireless devices. They release them and it takes several months and routerOS/firmwares before they start showing acceptable results.

I went through that with the wAP AC.
ARM Outdoor Stuff is not fixed in the last 12 Month....
 
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Re: RB4011 wireless performance?

Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:03 pm

At this moment bad, we tested 3 Intel Based AC Laptops and both are only able to connect to 54 MBit.....
Kind of seems "par" for Mikrotik with wireless devices. They release them and it takes several months and routerOS/firmwares before they start showing acceptable results.

I went through that with the wAP AC.
ARM Outdoor Stuff is not fixed in the last 12 Month....
My Indoor units have improved to about 45% of what they CLAIM as throughput. When i first got the cAP AC and hAP AC2 on the bench I was getting around 10% of the proposed 866M of transfer rates. A bunch of RouterOS Updates and several months later, I am in the low 300s.

The wAP AC despite being 3x3, was ACV1 and the processor seems to be the choke point. They started out equally lousy... but even after all the updates and patches... seem stuck at sub 200M.
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Re: RB4011 wireless performance?

Sat Jan 05, 2019 8:36 pm

At this moment bad, we tested 3 Intel Based AC Laptops and both are only able to connect to 54 MBit.....
Kind of seems "par" for Mikrotik with wireless devices. They release them and it takes several months and routerOS/firmwares before they start showing acceptable results.

I went through that with the wAP AC.
ARM Outdoor Stuff is not fixed in the last 12 Month....
866M of transfer rates.
You are confused, that is connection rate. Transfer rate is ~50% (happy mode :D )
 
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Re: RB4011 wireless performance?

Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:48 pm


My Indoor units have improved to about 45% of what they CLAIM as throughput. When i first got the cAP AC and hAP AC2 on the bench I was getting around 10% of the proposed 866M of transfer rates. A bunch of RouterOS Updates and several months later, I am in the low 300s.

The wAP AC despite being 3x3, was ACV1 and the processor seems to be the choke point. They started out equally lousy... but even after all the updates and patches... seem stuck at sub 200M.
Put OpenWRT to the WAPac and with newer Kernel and drivers you are about 450MBit with WAP
 
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Re: RB4011 wireless performance?

Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:12 pm

Put OpenWRT on the wAP AC and with the newer Kernel and drivers you will get about 450MBit

Is this something you can prove in a video or something? A post like that would blow up around here I should think. Might get some grease to the squeaky wheels.
 
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Re: RB4011 wireless performance?

Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:59 pm

Put OpenWRT on the wAP AC and with the newer Kernel and drivers you will get about 450MBit

Is this something you can prove in a video or something? A post like that would blow up around here I should think. Might get some grease to the squeaky wheels.
Like Cambium putting new OS's on Ubnt and Mikrotik???
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Re: RB4011 wireless performance?

Sat Jan 05, 2019 11:01 pm

Double post
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Re: RB4011 wireless performance?

Sat Jan 05, 2019 11:03 pm

At this moment bad, we tested 3 Intel Based AC Laptops and both are only able to connect to 54 MBit.....
Kind of seems "par" for Mikrotik with wireless devices. They release them and it takes several months and routerOS/firmwares before they start showing acceptable results.

I went through that with the wAP AC.
Seeing as how I can get speedtests infront of the paying client that show 866M with other manufactures...
ARM Outdoor Stuff is not fixed in the last 12 Month....
866M of transfer rates.
You are confused, that is connection rate. Transfer rate is ~50% (happy mode :D )
Seeing as how I can get speedtests infront of the paying client that show 866M with other manufactures...
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Re: RB4011 wireless performance?

Sun Jan 06, 2019 12:11 am

Put OpenWRT on the wAP AC and with the newer Kernel and drivers you will get about 450MBit

Is this something you can prove in a video or something? A post like that would blow up around here I should think. Might get some grease to the squeaky wheels.


My Internet connection is not fast enough to max it out. IPerf3 between MacBook and PC should be possible
 
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Re: RB4011 wireless performance?

Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:49 am

How many AP's do you plan to install? aside from a singular AP performance, it's probably more relevant to assess the controller function and features along with the radio performance.

The controller function and features along with the client compatibility unfortunately go hard against mtk enterprise WiFi
 
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Re: RB4011 wireless performance?

Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:28 am

How many AP's do you plan to install? aside from a singular AP performance, it's probably more relevant to assess the controller function and features along with the radio performance.

The controller function and features along with the client compatibility unfortunately go hard against mtk enterprise WiFi
How many do I intend to install?
I have installed over a thousand Ruckus Access Points over the last 10 years. The radio performance has beaten out other manufactures in many different environments. They are the wireless provider I can count on more often than not.

However... In that time... I have ONLY USED MIKROTIK ROUTERS. They have been the routers I can get to solve whatever issue I was brought in for.

As to the controller functionality... Caps man looks good on paper. I have used it a few times and had decent results. The weakness has been the performance of the radios it controls.

And when I found what looks like a bug where one radio on a caps-man will completely stop accepting clients... I sent logs and descriptions. However Arturs replies once every 30 days. This makes it impossible to trouble shoot anything. And when I try to request that Normis get involved... I get a condescending reply from another forum member who doesn't even under stand /IP services vs /IP firewall. Then Normis spits back that I need a paid consultant... But moving on.

I have dozens of posts about how the wAP AC can't get anywhere near the speeds it should with a 3x3 radio. Even replies on this forum that the processor is probably the problem.

The cAP AC and hAP AC2 sucked right out of the gate which has proven to be "standard fare" for Mikrotik wireless access points. Also "par" for Mikrotik products, has been for the performance to "improve dramatically" after a few iterations of firmware and several months. Taking the garbage performance of 3-5Megs of throughput increased to 300 Meg's over time. While this is still 1/2 of what a 2x2 radio should get... It is a step up.

So when I ask... "How is the 4011 performance as a Wireless Access Point right now..."
That's what I mean.
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Re: RB4011 wireless performance?

Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:40 am

Can you all list exact Intel wireless chips that were in the clients, when the test performed so poorly?
No answer to your question? How to write posts
 
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Re: RB4011 wireless performance?

Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:55 pm

Can you all list exact Intel wireless chips that were in the clients, when the test performed so poorly?
In our case this one
https://gzhls.at/blob/ldb/5/6/6/a/3594c ... 3ecafb.pdf

Only 54 MBit @ ac
 
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Re: RB4011 wireless performance?

Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:14 pm

In our case this one
https://gzhls.at/blob/ldb/5/6/6/a/3594c ... 3ecafb.pdf
Only 54 MBit @ ac

@mistry7,

Would you please make or acquire the data from the following screenshot?
This shows the Intel AC-7260 on a ThinkPad X220. The AP was the hAP AC, v6.42.10. Windows 10 1703 system.


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Re: RB4011 wireless performance?

Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:01 pm

Put OpenWRT on the wAP AC and with the newer Kernel and drivers you will get about 450MBit

Is this something you can prove in a video or something? A post like that would blow up around here I should think. Might get some grease to the squeaky wheels.
No WAP ac in Stock so i used 911G-5HPacD with OpenWRT and "new" CAP ac
- Same Channel 5180 (channel 99% Clean, after 10min Scan i see neighbors network with -88)
- 40 Mhz
- ac only
- WPA2-AES
- Bridged setup
- Same Distance (OpenWrt Shows -47 / Cap AC (ROS 6.44.Beta54) shows -55)
- Same Macbook

Open WRT:
Mactook to RB911 (OpenWrt).png
CAPac:
Macbook to CAPac.png

If i have time later, i will flash Rb911 Back to ROS and Test with Ros

Edit:

Here Macbook to RB4011 same Setup as above
Macbook to RB4011.png
MacBook has 3 Chain, and RB4011 (Registred tab shows: 540Mbps-40MHz/3S) does not benefit
An old RB911 Outperform newer Wave2 Hardware.... or more possible bad driver
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Re: RB4011 wireless performance?

Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:42 pm

Is there any throughput dropout like on the HAP ac2?
 
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Re: RB4011 wireless performance?

Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:48 pm

Is there any throughput dropout like on the HAP ac2?
no, in my opinion this depends on the used Cihipset,

HAP ac2 has IPQ4018
RB4011 has QCA9884, s in this case WIFI Chipset is not affected....
 
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Re: RB4011 wireless performance?

Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:30 pm

Ok, great! I hope we don't have to bombard support with emails to get some more performance out of the RB4011 like the HAPac2.
 
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Re: RB4011 wireless performance?

Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:21 pm

And here Test Macbook to RB911G with ROS 6.43.8 (6.44Beta results are worse)
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Re: RB4011 wireless performance?

Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:59 pm

Isn't that almost same numbers as for OpenWRT?
 
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Re: RB4011 wireless performance?

Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:07 pm

Isn't that almost same numbers as for OpenWRT?
Yes, this gets better in with the last updates, but ROS has serious problem with more than 2 chains, speed does not benefit....
 
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Re: RB4011 wireless performance?

Sat May 11, 2019 2:35 am

At this moment bad, we tested 3 Intel Based AC Laptops and both are only able to connect to 54 MBit.....
Kind of seems "par" for Mikrotik with wireless devices. They release them and it takes several months and routerOS/firmwares before they start showing acceptable results.

I went through that with the wAP AC.
ARM Outdoor Stuff is not fixed in the last 12 Month....
Hey!

So is it kinda normal to get only 300mbps with 2x2 client and mikrotik devices? I’m kinda stucked here, trying to achieve smth like 500mbps - figures I see with other AP’s around...
 
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Re: RB4011 wireless performance?

Mon Jun 03, 2019 12:37 am

Mikrotik wireless is THE REASON I get complaints.

They can route and I love the routing.

But the switches and more specifically the wireless is not up to it. Cheap is great... And it can fit some (I mean basic installs), but as a professional... I can't play around with thing for weeks.

Hard limits on the throughput.

Complete inability to deal with noisy environments.

It's starting to look like we are not going to be able to use Mikrotik wireless on our jobs.
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