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multigigabit desktop router

Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:34 am

It's high time for a desktop router with at least 2 (better 4) 10GbE ports.

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Re: multigigabit desktop router

Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:54 am

How would you use a desktop router with 10 Gb networking? I mean what is the use case?
 
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Re: multigigabit desktop router

Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:15 am

10G FTTH? It's coming (my ISP has started a trial), and I could have used something like a beefed-up RB4011 with 2 SFP+ cages. I have a CCR1036 now, but it is both expensive and large (if you don't have a 19" rack to mount it in).
 
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Re: multigigabit desktop router

Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:55 pm

How would you use a desktop router with 10 Gb networking? I mean what is the use case?
ISPs have been offering 1Gbps for a long time. SingTel started residential 10Gbps in 2016.

Even coax is being re-wired for 2Gbps. So one would not want to buy a 1Gbps router now. That is what I meant by multigigabit.

2.5, 5, 10GbE computers are inexpensive. 50GbE is not bad, and one could even afford 100GbE.

You can even add it to laptops using Thunderbolt.
 
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Re: multigigabit desktop router

Tue Feb 11, 2020 8:22 pm

Residential 10Gbps is ridiculous.
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Re: multigigabit desktop router

Tue Feb 11, 2020 9:18 pm

Residential 10Gbps is ridiculous.
Oh, I agree. Won't stop me from getting it as soon as they start offering it, though :) I'm haven't been picked for the trial, alas.
 
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Re: multigigabit desktop router

Tue Feb 11, 2020 9:41 pm

Residential 10Gbps is ridiculous.
Not when you are downloading 50GB games.
 
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Re: multigigabit desktop router

Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:35 pm

I see there are now cheap USB 3.0 2.5GbE adapters.

This is mass market.

The 4011 does not have USB!
 
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Re: multigigabit desktop router

Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:46 pm

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Not when you are downloading 50GB games.
A. Are you sure that source is able to deliver data with 10Gbs?
B. ISPs always oversell bandwith so I'm not shure if they are able to deliver constant multi 10GB traffic to users. Edge routers will limit their throughput.
C. 5 sec vs 50 sec for 50GB download .... OMG ... what a difference ... 50 min vs 5 min. is a difference but less 1min is not a shame.
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Re: multigigabit desktop router

Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:54 pm

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Not when you are downloading 50GB games.
A. Are you sure that source is able to deliver data with 10Gbs?
B. ISPs always oversell bandwith so I'm not shure if they are able to deliver constant multi 10GB traffic to users. Edge routers will limit their throughput.
C. 5 sec vs 50 sec for 50GB download .... OMG ... what a difference ... 50 min vs 5 min. is a difference but less 1min is not a shame.
I know that Steam can fill a 500Mbps connection.

People don't care about backing up terabytes of games when they have a big pipe.
 
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Re: multigigabit desktop router

Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:09 am

ISPs have been offering 1Gbps for a long time. SingTel started residential 10Gbps in 2016.
That is certainly a valid use case Image

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Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:25 am

How would you use a desktop router with 10 Gb networking? I mean what is the use case?
ISPs have been offering 1Gbps for a long time. SingTel started residential 10Gbps in 2016.

Even coax is being re-wired for 2Gbps. So one would not want to buy a 1Gbps router now. That is what I meant by multigigabit.

2.5, 5, 10GbE computers are inexpensive. 50GbE is not bad, and one could even afford 100GbE.

You can even add it to laptops using Thunderbolt.
I know 1 Gbps is available as that's what I have, but I didn't know any ISP offered 10 Gbps residential. You would have to have an NVMe equipped PC just to handle the download speeds, it would be something to see a 50 gigabyte download complete in less than 10 seconds.

That is certainly a valid use case Image
Salt offers it in some places in Switzerland too for $50 a month since 2018 so now Swisscom will make a bigger push in FTTH and join the bandwagon. They also have to fight DOCSIS 3.1 .

Many people back up to the cloud.

NVMe is very common now, but not as a data drive. A case for tiering.
 
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Re: multigigabit desktop router

Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:06 pm

A. Are you sure that source is able to deliver data with 10Gbs?
B. ISPs always oversell bandwith so I'm not shure if they are able to deliver constant multi 10GB traffic to users. Edge routers will limit their throughput.
C. 5 sec vs 50 sec for 50GB download .... OMG ... what a difference ... 50 min vs 5 min. is a difference but less 1min is not a shame.
You are correct. Most content providers of any kind won't let any single user steal all available resources.

It would be better if ISPs tried to deliver stable future proof services and catch up with IPv6.
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Re: multigigabit desktop router

Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:06 pm

It will take a long time for ISPs to have a lot of 10Gbps coverage. Enough for most SATA sales to stop.

Meanwhile games have already reached 175GB.

And 8K has not become mainstream yet.

It is mass 2Gbps deployment which is round the corner.
 
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Re: multigigabit desktop router

Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:36 pm

I think the new consoles need 10GbE and SATA Express, as well as BDXL.

It would also be better if one could could put a 3.5" SSHD, as the PS4 is now limited to 2TB (15mm does not fit). OK, you can go bigger with an SSD, but it is expensive.

Optional tiered storage using an M.2 2280 NVMe would be highly desirable. Those on a budget would gravitate towards a SATA M.2 and a SATA hard drive or just an SSHD.
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Re: multigigabit desktop router

Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:13 am

It makes sense for the next generation console to have 2.5 GbE but they won't.
 
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Re: multigigabit desktop router

Sat Feb 15, 2020 1:51 pm

It makes sense for the next generation console to have 2.5 GbE but they won't.
A console generation lasts typically for 7 years. Even 10GbE makes sense.

They are a fast internet marketing opportunity for ISPs by putting replicas at the edge.

SFP+ could be a good compromise, but maybe the module would be dangerous for small children (or it could be installed inside the case?).
 
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Re: multigigabit desktop router

Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:11 pm

They could also just install antennas so both Ethernet and WiFi would be optional and upgradeable with a small part.

Another profit opportunity, but third party should be possible.
 
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Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:43 pm

Probably textures bigger than what the screen or SVR needs should not be downloaded.
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Sun Feb 16, 2020 12:40 am

A console generation lasts typically for 7 years. Even 10GbE makes sense.

They are a fast internet marketing opportunity for ISPs by putting replicas at the edge.

SFP+ could be a good compromise, but maybe the module would be dangerous for small children (or it could be installed inside the case?).
The adoption rate of faster than gigabit networking in their major markets is slow, even in 7 years the US, Canada, and Japan are unlikely to have widespread 10 GbE in use. I believe in that time we will see widespread adoption of 5 GbE and 2 Gbps WAN in these locations.

All speculation of course, I have a feeling these consoles will have standard 1 GbE and likely 802.11ax wireless.

This being a networking community people often forget, WAN speeds over 100 Mbps actually aren't common. Most people are perfectly happy in the 30 - 50 Mbps range.
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Sun Feb 16, 2020 1:50 am

It makes sense for the next generation console to have 2.5 GbE but they won't.
A console generation lasts typically for 7 years. Even 10GbE makes sense.

They are a fast internet marketing opportunity for ISPs by putting replicas at the edge.

SFP+ could be a good compromise, but maybe the module would be dangerous for small children (or it could be installed inside the case?).
The adoption rate of faster than gigabit networking in their major markets is slow, even in 7 years the US, Canada, and Japan are unlikely to have widespread 10 GbE in use. I believe in that time we will see widespread adoption of 5 GbE and 2 Gbps WAN in these locations.

All speculation of course, I have a feeling these consoles will have standard 1 GbE and likely 802.11ax wireless.

This being a networking community people often forget, WAN speeds over 100 Mbps actually aren't common. Most people are perfectly happy in the 30 - 50 Mbps range.
Gigabit ethernet is obsolete and wireless does not replace it.

If some big countries are slow that should not hold back the rest of the world.

By 2023, 650 million homes will be covered by FTTH in APAC alone.
 
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Re: multigigabit desktop router

Sun Feb 16, 2020 6:35 am

Residential 10GbE is now being offered in 7 countries (including Sony in Japan since 2015).

Japan is always ahead in broadcasting and they have more than 35 million FTTH subscribers out of 53. The US will not stop them.
 
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Re: multigigabit desktop router

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Residential 10GbE is now being offered in 7 countries (including Sony in Japan since 2015).

Japan is always ahead in broadcasting and they have more than 35 million FTTH subscribers out of 53. The US will not stop them.
Where have I said the US would affect home Internet?

You simply aren't being realistic about average Internet speeds.

https://www.speedtest.net/global-index

As I said previously, the average (most common) individual in most countries has 100 megabit WAN speeds or less.

The results by speedtest are even skewed, most people don't care and don't run speed tests. The results are from more tech oriented types wanting every drop of bandwidth they pay for.

 
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Never ending story .... why do you quote the WHOLE previous post? What for? Deas it emphasise your answer more?
Do you know what "post reply" button is for?
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There I fixed it, Vortex did the same but nevermind that.
 
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Re: multigigabit desktop router

Sun Feb 16, 2020 11:12 am

Gigabit ethernet is obsolete.
No, it isn't.

xDSL is obsolete. 3G/HSDPA is obsolete. CATV/Coax and DOCSiS is obsolete.
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Sun Feb 16, 2020 3:41 pm

Gigabit ethernet is obsolete.
No, it isn't.

xDSL is obsolete. 3G/HSDPA is obsolete. CATV/Coax and DOCSiS is obsolete.
It has long been obsolete for network storage.

Most home users don't add a switch or adapters.

If you release a new console with it, it will become instantly obsolete.

Even a 10GbE NAS is backward when Thunderbolt is 40G.
 
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Sun Feb 16, 2020 7:56 pm

@vortex:

Never ending story .... why do you quote the WHOLE previous post? What for? Deas it emphasise your answer more?
Do you know what "post reply" button is for?
Seems that most of us could follow the discussion flow without such quotes. We are able to read provious posts.
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Re: multigigabit desktop router

Mon Feb 17, 2020 6:07 pm

G.fast and DOCSIS are not obsolete.
 
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Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:12 pm

In my opinion CATV/DOCSIS is obsolete technology. GigabitEthernet is not. Not even FastEthernet.
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Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:12 pm

In my opinion CATV/DOCSIS is obsolete technology. GigabitEthernet is not. Not even FastEthernet.
There are already 6 Gbps DOCSIS 3.1 modems. DOCSIS 4.0 will just add symmetry to 10Gbps.

G.fast already reaches 2Gbps and mgfast will take it to 10Gbps.

Bringing FTTH everywhere will cost trillions and take a long time.

Gigabit ethernet makes no sense for Sony when they have been providing 10Gbps internet since 2015.

But a console that cannot be wired is not acceptable.

Fast Ethernet is only good for slow devices.

An expensive home router that does not have at least two 10Gbps ports is no-go.

People who don't want to add a switch might not buy it with fewer than 5 (WAN, PC, NAS, newgen console, another 10G host). WAN,PC,Mac,server,NAS,PS5,XX and you are already looking at eight 10G ports (10 ports total is barely enough now, and 16 would be ideal for desktop).

Of course you cannot expect a home user to buy 5+ SFP+ modules.
 
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Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:27 pm


... DOCSIS are not obsolete.
Maybe not obsolete but continually having to upgrade equipment is a hindrance, I'm glad to have access to "Gigablast" DOCSIS 3.1 although I would prefer symmetrical fiber. Perhaps we will see Cox/Comcast enable 3.1 upstream in the near future but as it stands I pay $155/month for 1000 down 35 up, I have to pay as much just for unlimited data ($50/month) as most pay for unlimited fiber.
 
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Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:37 pm

Well, you can pay $50 for 10Gbps but you have to be at the right location (and mostly useless right now).

If the phone company ignores your place, you should be happy that the cable operator gives you a better option.

And it is not like the phone company is not expanding FTTH.
 
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Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:10 am

Yeah my only other option is 100Mbps AT&T, which is why I can appreciate DOCSIS 3.1.
 
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Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:59 am

You are also lucky if you have modem freedom. If you buy a 6/10 Gbps box now, it should last several years (but beware of gigabit ports).
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Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:45 am

Note that this $50 10Gbps connection is shared among up to 64 subscribers (technically it would be possible to share it among 128).
 
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You are also lucky if you have modem freedom. If you buy a 6/10 Gbps box now, it should last several years (but beware of gigabit ports).
I likely have the same/similar modem as you, I have a CM8200 which at least supports bonding. I got a deal on it and didn't see a need to spend more at this stage of DOCSIS deployment.
 
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Tue Feb 18, 2020 3:22 am

No, my ISP only moved to 3.1 a few months ago.

Besides the 10G ports, I would not want to buy a router without ax now (and I don't like ISP-provided routers).

And I have to check if anything besides speedtest is still hitting the current limits.
 
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Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:06 am

With Cox I don't really hit the maximum anyway, I only get around 900 Mbps on a good day I think due to living in a duplex community (like an apartment complex). I stressed over it at first but after a while I just let it go, at least my upload is always 40 which is 5 Mbps faster than "provisioned".

I am hopeful MikroTik will release an AX capable device by the end of this year, until then I'm relatively happy with a hAP ac² and an AP for wireless.
 
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Tue Feb 18, 2020 2:35 pm

10G would be a budget router. A proper home NAS should be 40G now.
 
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Tue Feb 18, 2020 3:12 pm

10G would be a budget router. A proper home NAS should be 40G now.

What have you been smoking? Sorry, but 10G routing isn't 'budget' in any shape or form. Routers capable of filling a 10G pipe with more than 1 SFP+ interface still cost a thousand bucks; the CCR1036-8G-2S+ is still the cheapest you will find.The brand new Ubiquity Dream Machine Pro is $379,= and comes close, but can't quite do it (specs say 8Gbps).

And 40G switch interfaces are becoming affordable for enthusiasts and prosumers, yes, but not for Joe Sixpack. Not by a long shot.
 
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Tue Feb 18, 2020 3:45 pm

all are talking about 10G and more.
But hey be realistic i am living in germany and i am happy to get 50/25 VDSL.
I can buy a 100/50 VDSL but what for? the DSLAM is too far away that i would only get about 80/30.

10G for a home is fine but could the provider give that full 10G to you if there are more users on the last mile? What is the backbone speed of the provider?

i have worked over 10 years for the second biggest stock exchange information provider in europe.
We had 3 data centers with 2 10G lines for each center. great if even the data center provider only had 4 10G backbones.

I would prefere a good and stable 1G connection for all even on the rural environment.
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Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:14 pm

all are talking about 10G and more.
But hey be realistic i am living in germany and i am happy to get 50/25 VDSL.
10G for a home is fine but could the provider give that full 10G to you if there are more users on the last mile?
I would prefere a good and stable 1G connection for all even on the rural environment.

I am realistic, at least for my situation. I have a 1000/1000 fiber connection now, and I can get 900+ Mbps most of the time, and not only on Speedtest. My provider has started a 10G trial and probably is going to roll it out as a product in the near future for Eur. 89,= a month. And my LAN is ready for it; all I need to have from them is the SFP+.

Will that mean I can get 10G download speeds? Nah, probably not. It will of course be oversubscribed, and there won't be many Internet services that can deliver more than a gig. It very much is a 'because we can, not because we must' bit of a thing.
 
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Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:15 pm

10G would be a budget router. A proper home NAS should be 40G now.

What have you been smoking? Sorry, but 10G routing isn't 'budget' in any shape or form. Routers capable of filling a 10G pipe with more than 1 SFP+ interface still cost a thousand bucks; the CCR1036-8G-2S+ is still the cheapest you will find.The brand new Ubiquity Dream Machine Pro is $379,= and comes close, but can't quite do it (specs say 8Gbps).

And 40G switch interfaces are becoming affordable for enthusiasts and prosumers, yes, but not for Joe Sixpack. Not by a long shot.
I am not saying 10G routing is budget. 10G switching is.

But when you see the 4011 would be capable of asymmetric 6Gbps it is not far away.

The 2011 is a budget gigabit router. Is it capable of gigabit routing? No.

The 4011 with a 10G switch would be a 10G router. Budget, because it would not have 40G switching.

That's how home routers are called, because people typically don't add switches.
 
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Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:14 pm

The 4011 has a single user bottleneck, but the 3011 had a multi user bottleneck before it.
 
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Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:19 pm

10G would be a budget router. A proper home NAS should be 40G now.
It depends who you are. Most people could live with 100mb just for Netlix, YouTube or Spotify. If you are a gamer ar IT nerd then yes ... more than 1Gb could fit your needs but is not a "must have". Your theory is that each should buy only "proper" 8K TV set ... how many stations already broadcast in 4K instead of FHD?
How 10Gb/1GB connection will help average users in average tasks at home? Do not give artficial examples that each user download 200Gb Steam game each day, And try to explain, as it was said in previous posts, if ISPs are able to sustain full 10Gb/1Gb stream for each user.
My knowledge is that they sell same bandwith to many users as they know how average daily traffic shapes over whole day.

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Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:44 pm

You can buy a 10G NAS for 250 euro. It IS budget.
 
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Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:43 pm

Probably not a good idea to buy 32-bit with Linux continuing to drop support.
 
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Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:27 pm

all are talking about 10G and more.
But hey be realistic i am living in germany and i am happy to get 50/25 VDSL.
I can buy a 100/50 VDSL but what for? the DSLAM is too far away that i would only get about 80/30.

10G for a home is fine but could the provider give that full 10G to you if there are more users on the last mile? What is the backbone speed of the provider?

i have worked over 10 years for the second biggest stock exchange information provider in europe.
We had 3 data centers with 2 10G lines for each center. great if even the data center provider only had 4 10G backbones.

I would prefere a good and stable 1G connection for all even on the rural environment.
Nobody is asking here for FTTH instead of G.fast, but if some people are paying for more than a gigabit it should be useful sometimes. If they are sharing the bandwidth they are actually paying for less.

And if my 2011 was good for 6 years, I expect the same from my next router unless my ISP accelerates.

Except that I would have already upgraded if a succesor had four 10G ports. Now it's too late for ac.
 
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Obviously new construction should have FTTH. No point in laying new copper.
 
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Re: multigigabit desktop router

Thu Feb 20, 2020 12:01 am

With Traffic Monitor you can log when you hit the maximum speed.

I tried Graphing with no luck.
 
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Thu Feb 20, 2020 5:48 am

I think the new consoles need 10GbE and SATA Express, as well as BDXL.

It would also be better if one could could put a 3.5" SSHD, as the PS4 is now limited to 2TB (15mm does not fit). OK, you can go bigger with an SSD, but it is expensive.

Optional tiered storage using an M.2 2280 NVMe would be highly desirable. Those on a budget would gravitate towards a SATA M.2 and a SATA hard drive or just an SSHD.
Is an NVMe SSD worth it for gaming at 4K or only useful for downloading at more than 6Gbps?
 
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Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:15 am

It will only knock a few seconds off loading vs a good SSD.
 
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Thu Feb 20, 2020 3:13 pm

I watched a blind test (maybe 1080p), and people got completely wrong
trying to identify SATA SSD, NVMe SSD, and 4.0 SSD.
 
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Re: multigigabit desktop router

Fri Feb 21, 2020 5:09 am

Cable operators can answer to FTTH with RFoG.
 
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Fri Feb 21, 2020 10:34 am

The assumption of your disccusion is that faster is better than stable.
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Re: multigigabit desktop router

Fri Feb 21, 2020 11:06 am

Are you saying that Mikrotik's 10G support is experimental?
 
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Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:46 pm

Did I ?

Just saying that there is no sense to push the limits just for show off.
It is like buying the Bugatti Veyron just for it's 1300 Hp and then cruising your urban area @ 30Mph.
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Fri Feb 21, 2020 4:41 pm

How is adding a 10G switch chip showing off?
 
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Sun Feb 23, 2020 1:20 am

You freely mix differents things.

You ask for 10Gb switching, for 40Gb switching to connect "proper" 40Gb NAS, for 6 or 10GB router based on 4011,....

Adding 10Gb switch just for pure switching with no rules/filtering at bridge level is not even close to providing enough resources to do 10Gb routing.
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Sun Feb 23, 2020 1:28 am

I did not ask for 10Gbps routing.

Some people will eventually need 10Gbps routing.
 
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Re: multigigabit desktop router

Sun Feb 23, 2020 3:48 am

I am happy Mikrotik made me wait because it seems this DOCSIS 3.1 deployment still has problems.
 
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Sun Feb 23, 2020 9:37 am

What is the relationship between MikroTik and DOCSIS 3.1?
 
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Sun Feb 23, 2020 1:14 pm

I don't like the ISP boxes, so I need a faster router if I upgrade to gigabit internet and I don't know any other brand offering proper networking equipement with consumer-level pricing.

But I don't want to buy a router which will only be useful for upgrading once or that only has 16MB flash.

And now I also want ax if I am going to spend $250.
 
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Sun Feb 23, 2020 1:35 pm

Personally I wouldn't worry about a router with wireless, AX access points will likely be MikroTik first offering anyway so if they have a non-wireless router that suits you I would just go ahead.

I want AX also but just purchased an AC1750 AP in the meantime, a great thing about using external wireless is the ability to easily upgrade without changing routers.

Just my 2¢
 
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Sun Feb 23, 2020 2:10 pm

I don't like the ISP boxes, so I need a faster router if I upgrade to gigabit internet and I don't know any other brand offering proper networking equipement with consumer-level pricing.

But I don't want to buy a router which will only be useful for upgrading once or that only has 16MB flash.

And now I also want ax if I am going to spend $250.
So you wan't a 10Gbps capable router with built in wireless?

Built in wireless is just convinience and for everyday Joe's. People that knows better have dedicated routers, switches and AP's.

You don't see any Cisco ASR 9000 with built in wireless do you?
Manages some CCR's, RB750Gr3, RB922 and wAP's
 
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Sun Feb 23, 2020 2:16 pm

I did not ask for 10Gbps routing.

Some people will eventually need 10Gbps routing.
Really? English is not my native language but I try to understand what I read and answer to
I am not saying 10G routing is budget. 10G switching is.

But when you see the 4011 would be capable of asymmetric 6Gbps it is not far away.

The 2011 is a budget gigabit router. Is it capable of gigabit routing? No.

The 4011 with a 10G switch would be a 10G router.
Budget, because it would not have 40G switching.
When you install some 10Gb/40Gb parts then ROS should be able to make them usable so it means that CPU should have enough power to prevent complains that a hardware is capable but the software sucks. It's easy to predict implication of putting the next 0 to the hardware capabilities (100Mb->1Gb->10Gb ....)

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Re: multigigabit desktop router

Sun Feb 23, 2020 4:52 pm

Personally I wouldn't worry about a router with wireless, AX access points will likely be MikroTik first offering anyway so if they have a non-wireless router that suits you I would just go ahead.

I want AX also but just purchased an AC1750 AP in the meantime, a great thing about using external wireless is the ability to easily upgrade without changing routers.

Just my 2¢
No. I want only one small box. It's bad enough I had to deal with the ISP clutter.
 
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Sun Feb 23, 2020 4:54 pm

I don't like the ISP boxes, so I need a faster router if I upgrade to gigabit internet and I don't know any other brand offering proper networking equipement with consumer-level pricing.

But I don't want to buy a router which will only be useful for upgrading once or that only has 16MB flash.

And now I also want ax if I am going to spend $250.
So you wan't a 10Gbps capable router with built in wireless?

Built in wireless is just convinience and for everyday Joe's. People that knows better have dedicated routers, switches and AP's.

You don't see any Cisco ASR 9000 with built in wireless do you?
See above.

10G switching is for anybody.
 
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Sun Feb 23, 2020 4:58 pm

I did not ask for 10Gbps routing.

Some people will eventually need 10Gbps routing.
Really? English is not my native language but I try to understand what I read and answer to
I am not saying 10G routing is budget. 10G switching is.

But when you see the 4011 would be capable of asymmetric 6Gbps it is not far away.

The 2011 is a budget gigabit router. Is it capable of gigabit routing? No.

The 4011 with a 10G switch would be a 10G router.
Budget, because it would not have 40G switching.
When you install some 10Gb/40Gb parts then ROS should be able to make them usable so it means that CPU should have enough power to prevent complains that a hardware is capable but the software sucks. It's easy to predict implication of putting the next 0 to the hardware capabilities (100Mb->1Gb->10Gb ....)

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I'm not Mikrotik's advocatus diaboli ...
A 600MHz CRS can switch gigabit and route 500Mbps. It is just an RB2011 with better switching.

What I am talking about would be the same, just 10 times faster. It could even be a direct descendant of the RB2011 with 5x 10C+ and 5x 1G, plus SFP+ instead of SFP. Even 4x C+ total 10G ports would be acceptable.

40G would definitely fall on the switching side of CRS.
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Re: multigigabit desktop router

Sun Feb 23, 2020 5:35 pm

I had to build my own gigabit router years ago because there was nothing for consumers.

I had looked at the RB493, but it was not gigabit.

Or I had looked at the RB493G, but I was interested in IDS.
 
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Re: multigigabit desktop router

Sun Feb 23, 2020 9:19 pm

Too many quotes and post to justify that 10Gb router + 40Gb switching is a "must have" for home users.
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Re: multigigabit desktop router

Sun Feb 23, 2020 9:33 pm

I did not say it is must have.

I did not say people need 10G routing now.

10G switching is consumer.

40G switching is professional, not enterprise.

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