It's high time for a desktop router with at least 2 (better 4) 10GbE ports.

Blocker.

How would you use a desktop router with 10 Gb networking? I mean what is the use case?

10G FTTH? It's coming (my ISP has started a trial), and I could have used something like a beefed-up RB4011 with 2 SFP+ cages. I have a CCR1036 now, but it is both expensive and large (if you don't have a 19" rack to mount it in).

How would you use a desktop router with 10 Gb networking? I mean what is the use case?

ISPs have been offering 1Gbps for a long time. SingTel started residential 10Gbps in 2016.

Even coax is being re-wired for 2Gbps. So one would not want to buy a 1Gbps router now. That is what I meant by multigigabit.

2.5, 5, 10GbE computers are inexpensive. 50GbE is not bad, and one could even afford 100GbE.

You can even add it to laptops using Thunderbolt.

Residential 10Gbps is ridiculous.

Residential 10Gbps is ridiculous.

Oh, I agree. Won't stop me from getting it as soon as they start offering it, though I'm haven't been picked for the trial, alas.

Residential 10Gbps is ridiculous.

Not when you are downloading 50GB games.

I see there are now cheap USB 3.0 2.5GbE adapters.

This is mass market.

The 4011 does not have USB!

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Not when you are downloading 50GB games.

A. Are you sure that source is able to deliver data with 10Gbs?
B. ISPs always oversell bandwith so I'm not shure if they are able to deliver constant multi 10GB traffic to users. Edge routers will limit their throughput.
C. 5 sec vs 50 sec for 50GB download .... OMG ... what a difference ... 50 min vs 5 min. is a difference but less 1min is not a shame.

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Not when you are downloading 50GB games.

A. Are you sure that source is able to deliver data with 10Gbs?
B. ISPs always oversell bandwith so I'm not shure if they are able to deliver constant multi 10GB traffic to users. Edge routers will limit their throughput.
C. 5 sec vs 50 sec for 50GB download .... OMG ... what a difference ... 50 min vs 5 min. is a difference but less 1min is not a shame.

I know that Steam can fill a 500Mbps connection.

People don't care about backing up terabytes of games when they have a big pipe.

ISPs have been offering 1Gbps for a long time. SingTel started residential 10Gbps in 2016.

That is certainly a valid use case [emoji6]

How would you use a desktop router with 10 Gb networking? I mean what is the use case?

ISPs have been offering 1Gbps for a long time. SingTel started residential 10Gbps in 2016.

Even coax is being re-wired for 2Gbps. So one would not want to buy a 1Gbps router now. That is what I meant by multigigabit.

2.5, 5, 10GbE computers are inexpensive. 50GbE is not bad, and one could even afford 100GbE.

You can even add it to laptops using Thunderbolt.

I know 1 Gbps is available as that's what I have, but I didn't know any ISP offered 10 Gbps residential. You would have to have an NVMe equipped PC just to handle the download speeds, it would be something to see a 50 gigabyte download complete in less than 10 seconds.

That is certainly a valid use case [emoji6]

Salt offers it in some places in Switzerland too for $50 a month since 2018 so now Swisscom will make a bigger push in FTTH and join the bandwagon. They also have to fight DOCSIS 3.1 .

Many people back up to the cloud.

NVMe is very common now, but not as a data drive. A case for tiering.

A. Are you sure that source is able to deliver data with 10Gbs?
B. ISPs always oversell bandwith so I'm not shure if they are able to deliver constant multi 10GB traffic to users. Edge routers will limit their throughput.
C. 5 sec vs 50 sec for 50GB download .... OMG ... what a difference ... 50 min vs 5 min. is a difference but less 1min is not a shame.

You are correct. Most content providers of any kind won't let any single user steal all available resources.

It would be better if ISPs tried to deliver stable future proof services and catch up with IPv6.

It will take a long time for ISPs to have a lot of 10Gbps coverage. Enough for most SATA sales to stop.

Meanwhile games have already reached 175GB.

And 8K has not become mainstream yet.

It is mass 2Gbps deployment which is round the corner.

I think the new consoles need 10GbE and SATA Express, as well as BDXL.

It would also be better if one could could put a 3.5" SSHD, as the PS4 is now limited to 2TB (15mm does not fit). OK, you can go bigger with an SSD, but it is expensive.

Optional tiered storage using an M.2 2280 NVMe would be highly desirable. Those on a budget would gravitate towards a SATA M.2 and a SATA hard drive or just an SSHD.

It makes sense for the next generation console to have 2.5 GbE but they won't.

It makes sense for the next generation console to have 2.5 GbE but they won't.

A console generation lasts typically for 7 years. Even 10GbE makes sense.

They are a fast internet marketing opportunity for ISPs by putting replicas at the edge.

SFP+ could be a good compromise, but maybe the module would be dangerous for small children (or it could be installed inside the case?).

They could also just install antennas so both Ethernet and WiFi would be optional and upgradeable with a small part.

Another profit opportunity, but third party should be possible.

Probably textures bigger than what the screen or SVR needs should not be downloaded.

A console generation lasts typically for 7 years. Even 10GbE makes sense.

They are a fast internet marketing opportunity for ISPs by putting replicas at the edge.

SFP+ could be a good compromise, but maybe the module would be dangerous for small children (or it could be installed inside the case?).

The adoption rate of faster than gigabit networking in their major markets is slow, even in 7 years the US, Canada, and Japan are unlikely to have widespread 10 GbE in use. I believe in that time we will see widespread adoption of 5 GbE and 2 Gbps WAN in these locations.

All speculation of course, I have a feeling these consoles will have standard 1 GbE and likely 802.11ax wireless.

This being a networking community people often forget, WAN speeds over 100 Mbps actually aren't common. Most people are perfectly happy in the 30 - 50 Mbps range.

It makes sense for the next generation console to have 2.5 GbE but they won't.

A console generation lasts typically for 7 years. Even 10GbE makes sense.

They are a fast internet marketing opportunity for ISPs by putting replicas at the edge.

SFP+ could be a good compromise, but maybe the module would be dangerous for small children (or it could be installed inside the case?).

The adoption rate of faster than gigabit networking in their major markets is slow, even in 7 years the US, Canada, and Japan are unlikely to have widespread 10 GbE in use. I believe in that time we will see widespread adoption of 5 GbE and 2 Gbps WAN in these locations.

All speculation of course, I have a feeling these consoles will have standard 1 GbE and likely 802.11ax wireless.

This being a networking community people often forget, WAN speeds over 100 Mbps actually aren't common. Most people are perfectly happy in the 30 - 50 Mbps range.

Gigabit ethernet is obsolete and wireless does not replace it.

If some big countries are slow that should not hold back the rest of the world.

By 2023, 650 million homes will be covered by FTTH in APAC alone.

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Residential 10GbE is now being offered in 7 countries (including Sony in Japan since 2015).

Japan is always ahead in broadcasting and they have more than 35 million FTTH subscribers out of 53. The US will not stop them.

Residential 10GbE is now being offered in 7 countries (including Sony in Japan since 2015).

Japan is always ahead in broadcasting and they have more than 35 million FTTH subscribers out of 53. The US will not stop them.

Where have I said the US would affect home Internet?

You simply aren't being realistic about average Internet speeds.

https://www.speedtest.net/global-index

As I said previously, the average (most common) individual in most countries has 100 megabit WAN speeds or less.

The results by speedtest are even skewed, most people don't care and don't run speed tests. The results are from more tech oriented types wanting every drop of bandwidth they pay for.

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Never ending story .... why do you quote the WHOLE previous post? What for? Deas it emphasise your answer more?
Do you know what "post reply" button is for?

There I fixed it, Vortex did the same but nevermind that.

Gigabit ethernet is obsolete.

No, it isn't.

xDSL is obsolete. 3G/HSDPA is obsolete. CATV/Coax and DOCSiS is obsolete.

Gigabit ethernet is obsolete.

No, it isn't.

xDSL is obsolete. 3G/HSDPA is obsolete. CATV/Coax and DOCSiS is obsolete.

It has long been obsolete for network storage.

Most home users don't add a switch or adapters.

If you release a new console with it, it will become instantly obsolete.

Even a 10GbE NAS is backward when Thunderbolt is 40G.

@vortex:

Never ending story .... why do you quote the WHOLE previous post? What for? Deas it emphasise your answer more?
Do you know what "post reply" button is for?
Seems that most of us could follow the discussion flow without such quotes. We are able to read provious posts.

G.fast and DOCSIS are not obsolete.

In my opinion CATV/DOCSIS is obsolete technology. GigabitEthernet is not. Not even FastEthernet.

In my opinion CATV/DOCSIS is obsolete technology. GigabitEthernet is not. Not even FastEthernet.

There are already 6 Gbps DOCSIS 3.1 modems. DOCSIS 4.0 will just add symmetry to 10Gbps.

G.fast already reaches 2Gbps and mgfast will take it to 10Gbps.

Bringing FTTH everywhere will cost trillions and take a long time.

Gigabit ethernet makes no sense for Sony when they have been providing 10Gbps internet since 2015.

But a console that cannot be wired is not acceptable.

Fast Ethernet is only good for slow devices.

An expensive home router that does not have at least two 10Gbps ports is no-go.

People who don't want to add a switch might not buy it with fewer than 5 (WAN, PC, NAS, newgen console, another 10G host). WAN,PC,Mac,server,NAS,PS5,XX and you are already looking at eight 10G ports (10 ports total is barely enough now, and 16 would be ideal for desktop).

Of course you cannot expect a home user to buy 5+ SFP+ modules.

... DOCSIS are not obsolete.

Maybe not obsolete but continually having to upgrade equipment is a hindrance, I'm glad to have access to "Gigablast" DOCSIS 3.1 although I would prefer symmetrical fiber. Perhaps we will see Cox/Comcast enable 3.1 upstream in the near future but as it stands I pay $155/month for 1000 down 35 up, I have to pay as much just for unlimited data ($50/month) as most pay for unlimited fiber.

Well, you can pay $50 for 10Gbps but you have to be at the right location (and mostly useless right now).

If the phone company ignores your place, you should be happy that the cable operator gives you a better option.

And it is not like the phone company is not expanding FTTH.

Yeah my only other option is 100Mbps AT&T, which is why I can appreciate DOCSIS 3.1.

You are also lucky if you have modem freedom. If you buy a 6/10 Gbps box now, it should last several years (but beware of gigabit ports).

Note that this $50 10Gbps connection is shared among up to 64 subscribers (technically it would be possible to share it among 128).

You are also lucky if you have modem freedom. If you buy a 6/10 Gbps box now, it should last several years (but beware of gigabit ports).

I likely have the same/similar modem as you, I have a CM8200 which at least supports bonding. I got a deal on it and didn't see a need to spend more at this stage of DOCSIS deployment.

No, my ISP only moved to 3.1 a few months ago.

Besides the 10G ports, I would not want to buy a router without ax now (and I don't like ISP-provided routers).

And I have to check if anything besides speedtest is still hitting the current limits.

With Cox I don't really hit the maximum anyway, I only get around 900 Mbps on a good day I think due to living in a duplex community (like an apartment complex). I stressed over it at first but after a while I just let it go, at least my upload is always 40 which is 5 Mbps faster than "provisioned".

I am hopeful MikroTik will release an AX capable device by the end of this year, until then I'm relatively happy with a hAP ac² and an AP for wireless.

10G would be a budget router. A proper home NAS should be 40G now.

10G would be a budget router. A proper home NAS should be 40G now.

What have you been smoking? Sorry, but 10G routing isn't 'budget' in any shape or form. Routers capable of filling a 10G pipe with more than 1 SFP+ interface still cost a thousand bucks; the CCR1036-8G-2S+ is still the cheapest you will find.The brand new Ubiquity Dream Machine Pro is $379,= and comes close, but can't quite do it (specs say 8Gbps).

And 40G switch interfaces are becoming affordable for enthusiasts and prosumers, yes, but not for Joe Sixpack. Not by a long shot.

all are talking about 10G and more.
But hey be realistic i am living in germany and i am happy to get 50/25 VDSL.
I can buy a 100/50 VDSL but what for? the DSLAM is too far away that i would only get about 80/30.

10G for a home is fine but could the provider give that full 10G to you if there are more users on the last mile? What is the backbone speed of the provider?

i have worked over 10 years for the second biggest stock exchange information provider in europe.
We had 3 data centers with 2 10G lines for each center. great if even the data center provider only had 4 10G backbones.

I would prefere a good and stable 1G connection for all even on the rural environment.

all are talking about 10G and more.
But hey be realistic i am living in germany and i am happy to get 50/25 VDSL.
10G for a home is fine but could the provider give that full 10G to you if there are more users on the last mile?
I would prefere a good and stable 1G connection for all even on the rural environment.

I am realistic, at least for my situation. I have a 1000/1000 fiber connection now, and I can get 900+ Mbps most of the time, and not only on Speedtest. My provider has started a 10G trial and probably is going to roll it out as a product in the near future for Eur. 89,= a month. And my LAN is ready for it; all I need to have from them is the SFP+.

Will that mean I can get 10G download speeds? Nah, probably not. It will of course be oversubscribed, and there won't be many Internet services that can deliver more than a gig. It very much is a 'because we can, not because we must' bit of a thing.

10G would be a budget router. A proper home NAS should be 40G now.

What have you been smoking? Sorry, but 10G routing isn't 'budget' in any shape or form. Routers capable of filling a 10G pipe with more than 1 SFP+ interface still cost a thousand bucks; the CCR1036-8G-2S+ is still the cheapest you will find.The brand new Ubiquity Dream Machine Pro is $379,= and comes close, but can't quite do it (specs say 8Gbps).

And 40G switch interfaces are becoming affordable for enthusiasts and prosumers, yes, but not for Joe Sixpack. Not by a long shot.

I am not saying 10G routing is budget. 10G switching is.

But when you see the 4011 would be capable of asymmetric 6Gbps it is not far away.

The 2011 is a budget gigabit router. Is it capable of gigabit routing? No.

The 4011 with a 10G switch would be a 10G router. Budget, because it would not have 40G switching.

That's how home routers are called, because people typically don't add switches.

The 4011 has a single user bottleneck, but the 3011 had a multi user bottleneck before it.

10G would be a budget router. A proper home NAS should be 40G now.

It depends who you are. Most people could live with 100mb just for Netlix, YouTube or Spotify. If you are a gamer ar IT nerd then yes ... more than 1Gb could fit your needs but is not a "must have". Your theory is that each should buy only "proper" 8K TV set ... how many stations already broadcast in 4K instead of FHD?
How 10Gb/1GB connection will help average users in average tasks at home? Do not give artficial examples that each user download 200Gb Steam game each day, And try to explain, as it was said in previous posts, if ISPs are able to sustain full 10Gb/1Gb stream for each user.
My knowledge is that they sell same bandwith to many users as they know how average daily traffic shapes over whole day.

Do not rock the boat

You can buy a 10G NAS for 250 euro. It IS budget.

Probably not a good idea to buy 32-bit with Linux continuing to drop support.

all are talking about 10G and more.
But hey be realistic i am living in germany and i am happy to get 50/25 VDSL.
I can buy a 100/50 VDSL but what for? the DSLAM is too far away that i would only get about 80/30.

10G for a home is fine but could the provider give that full 10G to you if there are more users on the last mile? What is the backbone speed of the provider?

i have worked over 10 years for the second biggest stock exchange information provider in europe.
We had 3 data centers with 2 10G lines for each center. great if even the data center provider only had 4 10G backbones.

I would prefere a good and stable 1G connection for all even on the rural environment.

Nobody is asking here for FTTH instead of G.fast, but if some people are paying for more than a gigabit it should be useful sometimes. If they are sharing the bandwidth they are actually paying for less.

And if my 2011 was good for 6 years, I expect the same from my next router unless my ISP accelerates.

Except that I would have already upgraded if a succesor had four 10G ports. Now it's too late for ac.

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Obviously new construction should have FTTH. No point in laying new copper.

With Traffic Monitor you can log when you hit the maximum speed.

I tried Graphing with no luck.

I think the new consoles need 10GbE and SATA Express, as well as BDXL.

It would also be better if one could could put a 3.5" SSHD, as the PS4 is now limited to 2TB (15mm does not fit). OK, you can go bigger with an SSD, but it is expensive.

Optional tiered storage using an M.2 2280 NVMe would be highly desirable. Those on a budget would gravitate towards a SATA M.2 and a SATA hard drive or just an SSHD.

Is an NVMe SSD worth it for gaming at 4K or only useful for downloading at more than 6Gbps?

It will only knock a few seconds off loading vs a good SSD.

I watched a blind test (maybe 1080p), and people got completely wrong
trying to identify SATA SSD, NVMe SSD, and 4.0 SSD.

Cable operators can answer to FTTH with RFoG.

The assumption of your disccusion is that faster is better than stable.

Are you saying that Mikrotik's 10G support is experimental?

Did I ?

Just saying that there is no sense to push the limits just for show off.
It is like buying the Bugatti Veyron just for it's 1300 Hp and then cruising your urban area @ 30Mph.

How is adding a 10G switch chip showing off?

You freely mix differents things.

You ask for 10Gb switching, for 40Gb switching to connect "proper" 40Gb NAS, for 6 or 10GB router based on 4011,....

Adding 10Gb switch just for pure switching with no rules/filtering at bridge level is not even close to providing enough resources to do 10Gb routing.

I did not ask for 10Gbps routing.

Some people will eventually need 10Gbps routing.

I am happy Mikrotik made me wait because it seems this DOCSIS 3.1 deployment still has problems.

What is the relationship between MikroTik and DOCSIS 3.1?

I don't like the ISP boxes, so I need a faster router if I upgrade to gigabit internet and I don't know any other brand offering proper networking equipement with consumer-level pricing.

But I don't want to buy a router which will only be useful for upgrading once or that only has 16MB flash.

And now I also want ax if I am going to spend $250.

Personally I wouldn't worry about a router with wireless, AX access points will likely be MikroTik first offering anyway so if they have a non-wireless router that suits you I would just go ahead.

I want AX also but just purchased an AC1750 AP in the meantime, a great thing about using external wireless is the ability to easily upgrade without changing routers.

Just my 2¢

I don't like the ISP boxes, so I need a faster router if I upgrade to gigabit internet and I don't know any other brand offering proper networking equipement with consumer-level pricing.

But I don't want to buy a router which will only be useful for upgrading once or that only has 16MB flash.

And now I also want ax if I am going to spend $250.

So you wan't a 10Gbps capable router with built in wireless?

Built in wireless is just convinience and for everyday Joe's. People that knows better have dedicated routers, switches and AP's.

You don't see any Cisco ASR 9000 with built in wireless do you?

I did not ask for 10Gbps routing.

Some people will eventually need 10Gbps routing.

Really? English is not my native language but I try to understand what I read and answer to

I am not saying 10G routing is budget. 10G switching is.

But when you see the 4011 would be capable of asymmetric 6Gbps it is not far away.

The 2011 is a budget gigabit router. Is it capable of gigabit routing? No.

The 4011 with a 10G switch would be a 10G router. Budget, because it would not have 40G switching.

When you install some 10Gb/40Gb parts then ROS should be able to make them usable so it means that CPU should have enough power to prevent complains that a hardware is capable but the software sucks. It's easy to predict implication of putting the next 0 to the hardware capabilities (100Mb->1Gb->10Gb ....)

P.S.
I'm not Mikrotik's advocatus diaboli ...

Personally I wouldn't worry about a router with wireless, AX access points will likely be MikroTik first offering anyway so if they have a non-wireless router that suits you I would just go ahead.

I want AX also but just purchased an AC1750 AP in the meantime, a great thing about using external wireless is the ability to easily upgrade without changing routers.

Just my 2¢

No. I want only one small box. It's bad enough I had to deal with the ISP clutter.

I don't like the ISP boxes, so I need a faster router if I upgrade to gigabit internet and I don't know any other brand offering proper networking equipement with consumer-level pricing.

But I don't want to buy a router which will only be useful for upgrading once or that only has 16MB flash.

And now I also want ax if I am going to spend $250.

So you wan't a 10Gbps capable router with built in wireless?

Built in wireless is just convinience and for everyday Joe's. People that knows better have dedicated routers, switches and AP's.

You don't see any Cisco ASR 9000 with built in wireless do you?

See above.

10G switching is for anybody.

I did not ask for 10Gbps routing.

Some people will eventually need 10Gbps routing.

Really? English is not my native language but I try to understand what I read and answer to

I am not saying 10G routing is budget. 10G switching is.

But when you see the 4011 would be capable of asymmetric 6Gbps it is not far away.

The 2011 is a budget gigabit router. Is it capable of gigabit routing? No.

The 4011 with a 10G switch would be a 10G router. Budget, because it would not have 40G switching.

When you install some 10Gb/40Gb parts then ROS should be able to make them usable so it means that CPU should have enough power to prevent complains that a hardware is capable but the software sucks. It's easy to predict implication of putting the next 0 to the hardware capabilities (100Mb->1Gb->10Gb ....)

P.S.
I'm not Mikrotik's advocatus diaboli ...

A 600MHz CRS can switch gigabit and route 500Mbps. It is just an RB2011 with better switching.

What I am talking about would be the same, just 10 times faster. It could even be a direct descendant of the RB2011 with 5x 10C+ and 5x 1G, plus SFP+ instead of SFP. Even 4x C+ total 10G ports would be acceptable.

40G would definitely fall on the switching side of CRS.

I had to build my own gigabit router years ago because there was nothing for consumers.

I had looked at the RB493, but it was not gigabit.

Or I had looked at the RB493G, but I was interested in IDS.

Too many quotes and post to justify that 10Gb router + 40Gb switching is a "must have" for home users.

I did not say it is must have.

I did not say people need 10G routing now.

10G switching is consumer.

40G switching is professional, not enterprise.

Someone must push things forward. If it was up to people like me, current standard would be fast ethernet. I mean if evolution went by my needs from the beginning, not that I would want to return to it now.

It's not that I wouldn't like new and better things, but I just couldn't care less if I can't stream <too many>K video or that a game takes an hour or two to download. 10Gbit internet for home users? Insane. 1Gbit internet? Only a little less insane. I'm lucky to have 200Mbit at home (when national average is over 20Mbit) and I don't know what to do with it (I originally planned to get 100Mbit, but the price difference was something like 10%, so it was hard to say no). If I don't get upgrade for next ten years, I still won't suffer.

In short, even though I sometimes wonder if some of you are time travellers from future, I'm actually glad for your effort, because eventually I'll benefit from it too.

AM4 motherboard with 10GbE: consumer (240 euro and up, expensive board)

1151 motherboard with 10GbE: consumer (270 euro and up, expensive board and CPU)

Mac mini with 10GbE: consumer (900 euro and up, extremely expensive)

AM4 motherboard with 5GbE: consumer (180 euro and up, old or extremely expensive board)

1151 motherboard with 5GbE: consumer (450 euro and up, extremely expensive board and expensive CPU)

AM4 motherboard with 2.5GbE: consumer (290 euro and up, very expensive board)

1151 motherboard with 2.5GbE: consumer (145 euro and up, expensive CPU)

10GbE card: 50 euro and up

2.5GbE USB dongle: 35 euro

5GbE USB dongle: 90 euro (expensive)

10GbE TB3 adapter: 180 euro (bulky and very expensive)

10GbE switch: 125 euro and up

10GbE NAS: 250 euro and up (from 4Gbps with a SATA SSD)



40GbE card: 240 euro and up

40GbE switch: $500 and up (tons of other ports)

40GbE-ready NAS: 750 euro and up (untested)

You could build a 2x 1TB NVMe 40GbE NAS for about 1000 euro.

Routing that would cost twice as much.

SOHO would not route at 40Gbps for quite a while.

What can route a single VPN tunnel at 10Gbps?

It would be nice if the 4011 successor could do 2Gbps.

TV box instead of CI+ is FAIL.

Tizen and webOS exist.

To have an idea of the next level, I configured an 8x 2TB NVMe dual 100G Threadripper 1 box and it comes to about 4500 euro.

You can go Epyc for just a little more.

To have an idea of the next level, I configured an 8x 2TB NVMe dual 100G Threadripper 1 box and it comes to about 4500 euro.

Networking must be your favorite hobby?

I just wanted to take a look because the 100G cards are not expensive while the switches are so it seemed the business market would be ready for a Mikrotik solution.

There seems to be an opening at 2 and 4 ports.

6, 8 ports are another opportunity.

QSFP28 appeared in the changelog in July 2017.

10G FTTH? It's coming (my ISP has started a trial), and I could have used something like a beefed-up RB4011 with 2 SFP+ cages. I have a CCR1036 now, but it is both expensive and large (if you don't have a 19" rack to mount it in).

you already have another options using Router on stick small with 10g switch

You cannot have one connection routing at more than 1Gbps that way, which is the point of the thread.

France targets 100% FTTH coverage by 2025.

Uruguay by the end of this year.

6 countries are already there.

You cannot have one connection routing at more than 1Gbps that way, which is the point of the thread.

Actually, yes, you can. Make the 10G port in the RB4011/CCR1009 a router-on-a-stick, and you get close to 10G out of a 4011 between the CRS 10G ports (OK, when slinging full-size packets and doing nothing else)

Given that I already have a RB4011 with WiFi as an AP, and my ISP will use a CRS305 as CPE if and when they start rolling out 10G, I may just have bought myself a CCR1036-8G-2S+ I didn't *really* need at all

It is good to know that this last resort workaround exists and it looks like fun, but:

- It is too complicated for a regular home user
- It is an opportunity to make mistakes
- The hardware setup is suboptimal

So, a proper multigigabit routing solution for the home is still needed and I will wait for the 4011 successor.

Thanks

It is good to know that this last resort workaround exists and it looks like fun, but:

- It is too complicated for a regular home user
- It is an opportunity to make mistakes
- The hardware setup is suboptimal

So, a proper multigigabit routing solution for the home is still needed and I will wait for the 4011 successor.

I agree that it's not optimal, and I too would like something like an 'RB5012' with the CPU at its design maximum of 2GHz and 2 SFP+ cages. Should be easy to do, and wouldn't need to be all that much more expensive than the existing RB4011. I think it woud eat into CCR sales, though. I would even go for an 'RB5007' with one of the switch chips replaced by an SFP+ cage, even if they did nothing else to the existing box. Ubiquity already saw this hole and plugged it recently with the UDM Pro (which is, as far as hardware specs go, pretty much a 19" wide RB4011 with two SFP+ cages).

CCR is old tech and the 1009 was never ideal for home use (no WiFi and rather pricey, as well as only one 10G).

I just noticed that the Ryzen Embedded series has 2x 10GbE (minimum 6W).

I think I had already read that Epyc Embedded has up to 8x 10GbE but I immediately forgot about it (minimum $450 60W 12-core for 8x).

The 4011 is more almost a 1009 replacement than a 2011 successor.

A desktop 3011 would have been more generally useful than the desktop 4011.

I think you would have to go with PC level hardware at this time. I don't see MikroTik targeting home users with more than gigabit internet since it's such a small market. It's already a niche product to home users, add a niche market and cost vs sales makes zero sense.

Luckily since you like and know your way around RouterOS there is an x86 variant to be had. Personally I would just use OPNsense on x86 since it cost nothing and has more features.

I like the discussion though.

If 10G is actually a small consumer market currently, it is because of lack of marketing, not price.

I can't see the new consoles being hobbled with only gigabit, they should have at least 2.5GbE if they lack ambition. It could be better to integrate 10GbE than to sell them with an NVMe drive.

And the current one gigabit fast consumer internet standard will soon enough become two gigabit (cable against FTTP).

In some countries cable will have to move quickly to 10 gigabit, there are even 10G FTTH fights already. FTTH rollout is already accelerating (FTTS not competitive).

The edge will have to follow if the ISPs expect to keep consumers interested.

I already burned down a DIY router for packing it too tightly, it would have been better to go with a less powerful routerboard (fanless, more ports, much cheaper and smaller too).

Maybe Mikrotik needs a business router update before the higher end Embedded Epyc solutions start popping up.

I hope that if AMD put 10GbE in the embedded Zen processors, they also put it in the new consoles.

vortex,

IIMHO i's time to stop increasing your post counter. You ask questions, answer them and comment own answers at once. Maybe you should set up your own blog?

Why do you care? He started this thread.

- It is too complicated for a regular home user
- It is an opportunity to make mistakes
- The hardware setup is suboptimal

But no regular home user will choose 10Gbps Internet in a very long time. And if they do, it's most probably a networking-nerd and will get the proper equipment. Not some lame all-in-one box.

Why do you care? He started this thread.

A. I just care. Why not?
B. Moderator's duties.

But no regular home user will choose 10Gbps Internet in a very long time. And if they do, it's most probably a networking-nerd and will get the proper equipment. Not some lame all-in-one box.

Lots of people are choosing it when they can because it costs less than half than a gigabit plan.

Even the cheapest Mikrotik boxes are proper equipment (except the 16MB flash and I guess the AP).

B. Moderator's duties.

It's not your duty to police a thread that needs none, he isn't posting spam or any such thing.

You simply don't like it and that's not enough.

*edit*
It's not my job to defend so I will just stay out of it. I'm a moderator of a large forum and an admin for another and we follow a different set of rules apparently.

I am happy Mikrotik made me wait because it seems this DOCSIS 3.1 deployment still has problems.

So only now I learn about broken Intel cable platforms.

vortex,

IIMHO i's time to stop increasing your post counter.

That's anav and vortex in the kill file then. Perhaps it's the same person.

B. Moderator's duties.

It's not your duty to police a thread that needs none, he isn't posting spam or any such thing.

You simply don't like it and that's not enough.

*edit*
It's not my job to defend so I will just stay out of it. I'm a moderator of a large forum and an admin for another and we follow a different set of rules apparently.

Do not agree ... simple rule:"think twice, write once" .. no need to fill thread with one sentence per hour just for writing.
I do not blocked him, warned, reported any his post to modertion (as you did with mine). Just asked him to "trim a bit" his activity as IMHO it is kind of spamming. We read about motherboards', NAS' and other equipment prices and so on.
It is Mikrotik's related forum not "My dream decent and proper home equipment" one.

The mention of other products with pricing was a demonstration of why consumers and SOHO need modern network equipment, notion that was challenged here.

I am not sure I want WiFi 6 anymore. Does it have micronets stuff?

Wi-Fi Data Elements

vortex:

Please DO STOP. It is not funny.

Are you receiving an alert for each post?