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CCR1036 Hard Upgrade

Sun Jun 06, 2021 4:28 am

Hi All!
I have a CCR1036 as edge router, with BGP sessions and queue tree for traffic prioritization. (56 queues in total)
I need to change it, because I need more incoming bandwith form my service provider, and some uplinks, (more than 1 gb/s but less than 10 gb/s).
The question is if is possible to replace with RB 2004, using the same configuration?
The actual throughput is 2.8 Gb/s aggregated between ports, and 24% average CPU usage.

Thanks in advance for the tips.

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Re: CCR1036 Hard Upgrade

Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:49 am

It is possible, but you have 32 less cores, resulting in less computing power,
and (depending on the model) you also have 4G less of RAM.
 
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Re: CCR1036 Hard Upgrade

Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:53 am

The short answer is yes, you can use the same config on a CCR2004 but there are a few caveats

1) The CCR2004 just had several bugs patched for performance issues and random reboots - while these issues seem to be vastly improved, I would be careful about putting it in prod in your network without testing.

2) Ideally, from a network design standpoint, you don't want to mix BGP full tables and shaping. Whether you use a CCR1036 or a 2004, have a dedicated border router, core L3 switch or router and a BNG/Agg router for shaping. If you want redundancy, add two of each of these.
 
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Re: CCR1036 Hard Upgrade

Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:57 am

CCR2004 in real environment can barely reach 1Gbit/s of processed data speed,
CCR1036 can process 4~5Gbit/s without problem
 
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Re: CCR1036 Hard Upgrade

Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:22 pm

I'll probably get roasted on here but I would probably start looking for a new equipment vendor or 2nd hand/ebay equipment.Probably not a bad idea to split equipment functions as well so you don't do all your functions on one single box.
You're at the traffic levels usually I usually start looking for other vendor gear.

Maybe in a couple of years time when 7 is stable and the Tile CCR's have been retired Mikrotik might become an option.
 
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Re: CCR1036 Hard Upgrade

Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:30 pm

I use CCR1036-12G-4S for aggregate on BGP full table route 4 x 2Gbit/s stream from GTT, ping to 1.1.1.1 is 1ms and the CPU usage is 5%

Other vendors?
Why?
No one single reboot, except twice for update firmware from 6.44.6 to 6.46.8 and BIOS.

For qos and pppoe access I use multiple CCR1009-7G and previous CCR1009-8G for each block of near 250 users (each CCR1009 control a block of /24 public IP)

There are still two things that we can't solve with MikroTik:
1) They don't work if there is a power failure
2) There is no Internet if the supplier's fiber optic cable breaks
 
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Re: CCR1036 Hard Upgrade

Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:45 pm

Hi All
Thank you all for the answers.
The problem what I have si the port banthwid.
I use a CCR1036-12G-4S, and the max bandwith for each port is 1Gb/s.
I thought to change for another CCR model, with two SFP+, but I need a least tree SFP+ ports, this reason, leads to migrate device.
Today, with the tables and prioritization I don't have a CPU usage greater than 8%.

I had thought of a 1072, but it is very expensive, and I am far from reaching speeds higher than 10gb / s.

I thought 2004 was a good option, but I think the only option is a CCR1072.

Thanks for the support
 
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Re: CCR1036 Hard Upgrade

Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:42 pm

CCR1072 cost 3000

If I must do that work, I buy one CRS309-1G-8S+IN (300) for receive and distribute bandwidth, one spare CCR1036-12G-4S (1000) and one CCR1016-12G (645) for separate services and improve resiliance.
(near 2000, 1000 less...)
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Re: CCR1036 Hard Upgrade

Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:43 pm

BGP sessions and queue tree for traffic prioritization. (56 queues in total)
Split BGP and queues into separate units. Combing all those in the same box will never yield any great performance. 1072 will not make it any better either.

2004 is really good at BGP but it has some bugs that probably won't be solved in v6 (just in v7)
 
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Re: CCR1036 Hard Upgrade

Tue Jun 08, 2021 1:17 pm

Hi OP, we did something similar for one of our sites a couple of years ago.Was looking at 1072's but the amount of issues on the forum dissuaded me

Used UI EdgeRouter Infinity(ies) for Full BGP Feeds and then used CCR 1016's for Shaping/QOS downstream with OSPF LACP fabric on L3 Switches Connected to Tiks.
Pity that the 2004 is so undercooked because it could theoretically do all this on one box with no issue.

If you can take on the power usage you can pick up Cisco or Juniper gear close to the price of UI Infinity.
 
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Re: CCR1036 Hard Upgrade

Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:55 pm

Hi OP, we did something similar for one of our sites a couple of years ago.Was looking at 1072's but the amount of issues on the forum dissuaded me

Used UI EdgeRouter Infinity(ies) for Full BGP Feeds and then used CCR 1016's for Shaping/QOS downstream with OSPF LACP fabric on L3 Switches Connected to Tiks.
Pity that the 2004 is so undercooked because it could theoretically do all this on one box with no issue.

If you can take on the power usage you can pick up Cisco or Juniper gear close to the price of UI Infinity.
Yes, off course, my first option was a 2004, but the bugs, and 32 less cores, it has not convinced me.

I am thinking of a Huawei s6730 (24 ports sfp+), to connect the providers, make a bonding (ether channel) with the CCR to shape, to be able to move more than 1Gb/s in each port of that router.
What do you think
 
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Re: CCR1036 Hard Upgrade

Tue Jun 08, 2021 8:27 pm

Are you pulling in full bgp feeds or partial/regional feeds ? Normally those L3 switches have RIB limitations so you usually can't take full feeds but regional or partial feeds work great on them for a great low cost solution.
Huawei Datasheet says RIB can take 256K max routes so best check out your environment and check with Huawei sales if it could work in your situation. Looks a great switch for the price I have to say.
 
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Re: CCR1036 Hard Upgrade

Wed Jun 09, 2021 1:16 am

Actual ful ltable without secondary feeds are near 800.000 records
 
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Re: CCR1036 Hard Upgrade

Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:13 pm

L3-switches is usually only useful for campus/metro/enterprise-routing due to the maximum number of hardware entries.

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