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Need help on UPS battery monitoring for routerboards

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 2:48 am
by WirelessRudy
guys,

Although not new to the MT-ROS (working with 70 rb's with rosv.3.2 and v3.3 now) anymore, on some things still a virgin.....

How do I make a routerboard tell me (mail or sms script, got that already covered) my UPS is running on battery power.
How do I convert the nowadays standard USB-cable equipped UPC into a serial conection to the routerboard?

I have some serial to USB adapters, but they need special driver software for Window to work on a PC. But how can I use them on a routerboard?

It´s nice MT has the UPS possibility. But if I read the forum and manual I see only APC-UPS's mentioned, on serial cables with relating wire diagrams. Are they the same for other brands? And for USB? I haven´t a glue.
Here in Europe APC-USB's are almost impossible to get or twice or three times as expensive as other quality UPSs. (And I´m not talking the cheap supermarket stuff!)
The only UPS-serial equipped I could find here in Spain were cheap Belkin models that failed on me just after half a year or less..... worthless.

I´ve got 8 UPS running on PC's and now 2 on remote routerboard remote locations. But an UPS is not a lot of use to me in these remote locations when I only notice the battery is flat after the units dies! I need to know when the mains is gone to give me time to solve the problem!
I can use special Ethernet monitor devices that monitor the mains for me, but these need power too, and room. And cost me a leg! They work with 9V input power so work from their mains adapter because I have no 9Volt available from the UPS. Because of this the adapter uses the full output power which shorten the live of the UPS considerably when on battery power. (Battery power needs to be ´pumped-up´ to 230V while the adapter brings it back to 9Volts! This give twice losses!)

The MT units get their power straight from the battery cables (an adaption made by me).
Therefore, does the routerboard puts itself in hibernation when voltage drops below a certain level? Or does he do so after getting a certain command from the USB?

The UPS is really a great backup to have in mains insecure environments, I had a rb333 (three radio cards but only two clients, so not a lot of cpu activity) + a rb532A with two idle cards running for almost 30 ours on a 500VA UPS.
My PC only runs half an hour on the same!
But now I have the units bleed to death twice in a month time which probably cost me a radio card, and gained me a unhappy customer!

Please some help on this!
If it is a useful one we could form it into a proper clearly understandable info for the WiKi too!
I´ll bet lots of users might find this interesting info?

rgds.

Rudy

Re: Need help on UPS battery monitoring for routerboards

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:47 am
by odie
we built a battery monitoring module an scripts for it
and in addition with powersupply you have your low cost ups talking to mikrotik...
http://www.stone-rich.at/dl/str-ups/default.htm
regards

Re: Need help on UPS battery monitoring for routerboards

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 4:31 pm
by WirelessRudy
we built a battery monitoring module an scripts for it
and in addition with powersupply you have your low cost ups talking to mikrotik...
http://www.stone-rich.at/dl/str-ups/default.htm
regards
OK,
very interesting, although I don´t understand all.
But drop me an mail at rudy@marucom.es and we can talk more.
Probably will buy one of you to test, if OK and reasonable price I buy more...

rgds.

Rudy

Re: Need help on UPS battery monitoring for routerboards

Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 11:31 am
by dingsingo
we built a battery monitoring module an scripts for it
and in addition with powersupply you have your low cost ups talking to mikrotik...
http://www.stone-rich.at/dl/str-ups/default.htm
regards

Hi,

ich hätte da auch mein Frage zu. Knasst Du mir mal eine Mail schicken?
technik[at]FNOH.de

dingsingo

Re: Need help on UPS battery monitoring for routerboards

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:48 pm
by GuJack20
anything more clear about the size, weight etc etc of this??

Re: Need help on UPS battery monitoring for routerboards

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 11:27 pm
by WirelessRudy
I´ve got a mail from them explaining they are very busy at the moment.... so we have to be a bit more patient before we know more.
In the meantime I still haven´t got any answer on another tread I had, namely how to see the health status of rb333 boards in winbox. If this could be solved then probably the underlying data should be able to reach with a script or something and can be used then by the board itself to monitor its feed.

I now manually in terminal checked the remote rb333 in suspicious circumstances (thunderstorm, heavy rains) every 5 mins to see if the input voltage was dropping or not. Thus to see if the charger still functions or not (and thus the mains). But a bit ´pre-historic´way of monitor my equipment!

Anybody reading this tread has any answer to the problem?

Rudy

Re: Need help on UPS battery monitoring for routerboards

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 11:42 pm
by odie
hello everybody
the modules should be availiable in the onlineshop at
http://shop.evonet.at
in the next days
a wireing paln will be on the website, in a few days also and some updated scripts

the powersupplies (AD-55 aor AD 155A) which suit to our module can be found
at
http://www1.schukat.com/schukat/schukat ... C20044C48B

http://www.emtron.de/Enclosed_SPS.html

http://emtron.de/14101-Zm9sZGVyaWQ9NDEw ... etail.html

Re: Need help on UPS battery monitoring for routerboards

Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 11:24 am
by Aroca
Hi. I'm a last year telecommunications' student. I find the post very interesting and I'd like to know more about it; how it works, if the results are as good as expected... in order to include it in my dissertation. I was thinking to connect a UPS to my routerboard in order to protect it from power failure.
Thanks

Re: Need help on UPS battery monitoring for routerboards

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:48 am
by Aroca
Hi, odie. I'd be interested in your module. Mail me to aroca@grupoawa.es and we talk, please.
Regards.

Re: Need help on UPS battery monitoring for routerboards

Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 5:11 pm
by matrot2
UPS and UPS- monitor.
Unfortunately, not my idea. :(
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http://local.com.ua/forum/index.php?showtopic=15362

Re: Need help on UPS battery monitoring for routerboards

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 1:36 am
by nz_monkey
Wow, this looks like an awesome little piece of hardware. Unfortunately I can not read Russian. Is there an English page with the info on it ?


Regards,



Andrew

Re: Need help on UPS battery monitoring for routerboards

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 9:34 am
by matrot2
The English page will be 13.07. 2009.
I will inform you.

Re: Need help on UPS battery monitoring for routerboards

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 1:16 am
by nz_monkey
Thanks Matrot, I have worked out what they do from the pictures but it would be good to get a proper english translation to clarify my understanding.

Once the english page is up I am going to order a few sets of these for field testing.

Re: Need help on UPS battery monitoring for routerboards

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 12:55 am
by jp
Google's translator helps, russian to english.

The price was 240 hrn, which appears to be 30-40 $ US according to XE.com's conversion.

I'd like to able to order one of those....

Re: Need help on UPS battery monitoring for routerboards

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 4:58 am
by nz_monkey
I have just emailed them to see if they ship international and what money transfers they accept.

Re: Need help on UPS battery monitoring for routerboards

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 5:04 am
by QpoX
I have just emailed them to see if they ship international and what money transfers they accept.
Did the same a few days ago... still waiting :)

Re: Need help on UPS battery monitoring for routerboards

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 6:40 pm
by matrot2
Excuse.
I was on rest. Tomorrow I will give answers.

Re: Need help on UPS battery monitoring for routerboards

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 8:45 pm
by matrot2

Re: Need help on UPS battery monitoring for routerboards

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:16 pm
by matrot2
Remote monitoring of UPS-MT-12 in real time.
http://tandem.ck.ua/soft_apps.php

Re: Need help on UPS battery monitoring for routerboards

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 9:30 pm
by matrot2
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Re: Need help on UPS battery monitoring for routerboards

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 9:53 pm
by rmichael
Alternative BackUPS solution:

http://www.altronix.com/index.php?pid=2 ... num=SMP3PM

It's a psu and battery charger with dry contacts indicating power state. You can connect it directly to the RS232 and monitor its state via /tools sigwatch.

$12 batt+$40 psu+$10 cable and caps for the whole BackUPS setup...

Re: Need help on UPS battery monitoring for routerboards

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:11 pm
by matrot2

Re: Need help on UPS battery monitoring for routerboards

Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 10:23 am
by dingsingo
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Hi,

have you the dude-script to watch the Info's from the UPS-Paket in the RB ?


Thx

dingsingo

Re: Need help on UPS battery monitoring for routerboards

Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:22 pm
by matrot2
http://tandem.ck.ua/prg/scripts.txt
dude-script will show later

Re: Need help on UPS battery monitoring for routerboards

Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 6:51 pm
by adrianatkins
Hi.

Why not buy a really cheap device, like a wifi router, power that from the mains, and ping it from your mikrotik ?

When the mains goes off, your MT will be on UPS power, and the pings will stop.

Use Netwatch to send you an email or something.

Re: Need help on UPS battery monitoring for routerboards

Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:03 pm
by brakmaren
That whas so obviosly easy, it's almost funny :D
Thanks ...

Re: Need help on UPS battery monitoring for routerboards

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:01 pm
by matrot2
Hi.

Why not buy a really cheap device, like a wifi router, power that from the mains, and ping it from your mikrotik ?

When the mains goes off, your MT will be on UPS power, and the pings will stop.

Use Netwatch to send you an email or something.
For a very cheap device requires an additional switch.
This lowers the reliability of the device a whole.
Not always have the opportunity to turn it on.

Re: Need help on UPS battery monitoring for routerboards

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:12 am
by adrianatkins
Well.....

Personally my Power solution was to make a board that does this :-

Accepts 2 x 18v 3.5A PSUs (in case 1 fails)
Solar panel connection
A Car Battery > 45Ah (RB333 + 3 R52s = about 500mA, so ~3.5 days power)
Built-in Battery Charger
Low voltage (10V) cut-off, so the board does not lock up if it is more than 3.5 days with no power, and then the power comes back.
Trips a relay if there is a power problem, so you can make the MT send you an email.

Re: Need help on UPS battery monitoring for routerboards

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:14 am
by adrianatkins
I forgot. Also has 2 PoE out and a loopback PoE too.

Re: Need help on UPS battery monitoring for routerboards

Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 11:24 pm
by malpi
Alternative BackUPS solution:
You can connect it directly to the RS232 and monitor its state via /tools sigwatch.
Can You tell me, how to connect it to RS232 (which pin)?
Picture is welcome :)

Re: Need help on UPS battery monitoring for routerboards

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 5:42 pm
by popcorrin
Alternative BackUPS solution:
You can connect it directly to the RS232 and monitor its state via /tools sigwatch.
Can You tell me, how to connect it to RS232 (which pin)?
Picture is welcome :)
Yes, I would like this also.

Re: Need help on UPS battery monitoring for routerboards

Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:36 pm
by matrot2