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411R disappointment?

Thu May 07, 2009 4:32 pm

My distributor just e-mailed me that RB 411R is on it's way. Great news I have thought. Well... I was wrong. Looks like the price isn't that good as it should be AND the integrated wireless card will _ONLY_ operate in b/g! Is this some kind of joke you guys from Mikrotik?

If this is true then please answer me WHY ON EARTH you have made only b/g possible. Why, oh why... (and if this info is totally fake then please calm me down with good news)
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Re: 411R disappointment?

Sat May 09, 2009 11:40 am

Well? Normis? Anybody else from MT?
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Re: 411R disappointment?

Sat May 09, 2009 8:10 pm

This is what they sent us a few days ago.

http://www.roc-noc.com/pdf/RB411/rb411ar.pdf

It is the RB411A with a $10 price increase and a built in radio card with only 802.11b+g. The radio card is slightly less powerful than the 2.4GHz section of an R52.

Am I disappointed? Yes, but of course I will still sell it.

An RB411 (non-A) with a built in radio card and $10 increase would have been more welcome.

A more powerful radio card with better sensitivity and ESD protection would have been more welcome.

An RB412A or RB412AH with two miniPCI slots would have been more welcome.

It is too bad the the decision makers at Mikrotik don't ask for input or listen to their customers when it comes to hardware design.

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Re: 411R disappointment?

Sun May 10, 2009 11:07 am

Thanks for the pdf

IMO it does not look that bad. It could make nice mesh device along with R5H card once ROS supports mesh.
 
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Sun May 10, 2009 1:36 pm

ROS supports mesh now via HWMP+ see http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/HWMP%2B
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Re: 411R disappointment?

Sun May 10, 2009 6:53 pm

this looks like a rb433-killer :-)

if you just need a hotspot and a backhaul-connection of a multi-path-routed ptp-link, this looks like the way to go. the processor should be fast enough to fill two wifi-links and it is cheaper than a rb433. so i am really looking forward to it.
802.11a would be way better, but its not bad at all.
 
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Re: 411R disappointment?

Mon May 11, 2009 9:12 am

Thanks for the pdf

IMO it does not look that bad. It could make nice mesh device along with R5H card once ROS supports mesh.
Not bad? This is VERY bad. In Poland MT is mainly used with 5 GHz as a CPE. Expensive and not worth 2.4 GHz CPE? No, thank you.

This is a shot in foot by MT.
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Re: 411R disappointment?

Mon May 11, 2009 9:17 am

Well Poland is Poland, in some countries 5GHz is not even an option
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Re: 411R disappointment?

Mon May 11, 2009 3:53 pm

True. But why not make UNIVERSAL card? Don't tell me that this makes big difference in price.
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Mon May 11, 2009 4:23 pm

This make big difference in development stage :)) Successful 5GHz design is two more times complicated like 2.4GHz
 
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Re: 411R disappointment?

Tue May 12, 2009 9:48 am

You don't have to design if reference designs are available. Sorry but R52 card is not made by MT. This is popular design avail in several brands like MT, Sparklan, Compex, Signamax, Emitech, etc. Those cards look the same, just different logo on them.

All the time I thought that this card (R52) will be simply integrated on 411R thus making a/b/g avail to use. B/G only is terrible mistake. :(
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Re: 411R disappointment?

Wed May 13, 2009 12:29 pm

Hi,


I believe that the Routerboard should not always must the are inexpensive. Many WISP not really locking of 10$. But when the Product was not stabil and dosen't work good. The cost for Service beyond in the first Servicemission the 10$ saving.

Build Hardware they was work good and stabil for the WISP and we are lucky.


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Re: 411R disappointment?

Thu Jul 09, 2009 11:26 pm

Well Poland is Poland, in some countries 5GHz is not even an option
You can also add Ireland to the list of countries which will not be buying this board in huge numbers. I can speak for most of the WISP's in my area who will say exactly the same.

Ubiquiti are on the right road - pity MT are lost in the wilderness on this one.

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Re: 411R disappointment?

Fri Jul 10, 2009 6:05 am

Well,

Like what Normis wrote, Poland is Poland, and off course Ireland is Ireland.

I am in Indonesia, which I believe is one of the most valuable countries for Mikrotik, here in Indonesia, we used a large number of 2.4Ghz, and for me, the decision for making the 411R is perfect. And I believe Indonesia is making a bigger profit for Mikrotik compare to Poland and Ireland.

Sorry, I usually doesn't care about this matter, but I believe you have over reacted, if you feel that the product is not suitable for you, then don't sell it. It's simple right?
 
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Re: 411R disappointment?

Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:04 am

looking this is always shocking to me http://www.google.com/trends?q=mikrotik
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Re: 411R disappointment?

Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:35 am

just because you do not use it in indonesia does not mean, it would not be important. :-)

just think of free frequencies when having a big wisp-net, when you connect everything at 2,4ghz there is not really room for the customer to build up his own wlan at home.

and i think to accomplish 5ghz on those rb411r we are talking about programming the eeprom to the right values and using a 5xxx-atheros chipset, both not really challenging tasks as they have been done before by mt several times.

it more looks like a marketing issue, why putting a competitor for a rb411 with a r52 for a lower price with one more mini-pci-slot on the market than simply gain more money by selling the other combination? mt has always the advantage that they fix the customer to their software and if there is no option in other hardware, they have to buy a more expensive product.
if it is like that (which i honestly think) then its sad, but perhaps normis says sth about that and explains why it has no 5ghz, it can't really be a hardware-design-problem.
 
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Re: 411R disappointment?

Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:40 am

if we would make a do-it-all-make-everyone-happy product, it would be quite expensive. everyone has their own favorite. just wait until we release something that fits your needs. it's very hard to make everyone happy at the same time, knowing how many new products we have in production right now. just wait a few weeks/months :)
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Re: 411R disappointment?

Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:03 pm

of course, that is fully understandable. but this would be only a choice of the right chipset and a software modification, no need to do any rewiring, redesigning or anything.

it is clear (or at least i hope so) that you will release the same board for 5ghz, but an integrated one with 2,4ghz/5ghz would be cheaper for you (just design once, sell more) and the plus in the price would be not significant enough to scare away customers :-) now you would have to take care for two boards, which means one more testing-facility for it, one more rma-procedure, and so on.

but we leave it like that, i will wait and be hopefully happy with a 5ghz version of it. nonetheless it is a good product, as i said earlier, but it would be perfect with 5ghz included.
 
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Re: 411R disappointment?

Fri Jul 10, 2009 5:06 pm

[quote]looking this is always shocking to me http://www.google.com/trends?q=mikrotik[/quote]

This is even more shocking!

[url]http://www.google.com/trends?q=ubiquiti[/url]

I suppose maybe Mikrotik have looked at some sort of data to suggest that 2.4GHz is more popular than 5GHz. Personally, I have never and would never deploy 2.4GHz and don't know of any ISP deploying 2.4GHz in the last two years.
 
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Re: 411R disappointment?

Fri Jul 10, 2009 5:37 pm

Those google stats are interesting but don't translate into sales. Funny that the USA is not in the top 10 for either Mikrotik or Ubiquiti. And we receive the highest number of fraudulent orders from the top country on that chart.

So that tells me that those without the purchasing power are using google the most.

And those with real bank accounts come directly to our site to buy. :)

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BTW The new RB411R (just announced) is priced only $6 higher than the RB411. That is attractive pricing. My only disappointment is that they did not design a higher performing radio set into it.

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Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:45 am

bad search term, that word means more than just a company name. you could search "apple" but that would also give you regular fruit :)
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Re: 411R disappointment?

Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:26 pm

Mmmm. 2 questions:

1. - Which is the power in mW of the integrated 2.4GHz card of rb411AR and RB411R?
2. - Crossroads are death? I love crossroads size and power..


In my opinion.. This board (411AR) is to make a backhaul and a hotspot or something like that.. If you need to make a repeater you have Rb433xx Its a good point, but you all have to think that Mikrotik can't make this board with R52 card.. because who will buy RB411A boards? : P

I think this boards are cost effective to make small APs, like Crossroads.


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Re: 411R disappointment?

Wed Jul 15, 2009 4:01 am

For the Czechs I must say we will not use RB411R. I would buy it only if the prise is $30 otherwise cheap and stable AP's are adequate. IMO 75-80% of the market prefer 5 GHz band. Today my prices by local dealer are [--] for RB411 and [--] for R52. That's [--]. If you make integrated 5 GHz card cheaper, I'll buy it.
 
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Re: 411R disappointment?

Wed Jul 15, 2009 4:17 am

The 411R does not have a serial connector, but is there still serial port capability on the chip ? I'd like to use them for data collection, all I need is GND and RX pins of serial port. Can someone see if the serial port is showing up under RouterOS on 411R?
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Re: 411R disappointment?

Wed Jul 15, 2009 9:45 pm

I don't think that the serial port works on RB411R since the TTL chip is gone (look under the buzzer)...
But if RouterOS fails on it, the RouterBoard will be useless? or i'm a wrong on that?
 
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Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:31 am

netinstall still works, so if you manage to kill it, you can always reinstall it.
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Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:45 am

Mmmm. 2 questions:

1. - Which is the power in mW of the integrated 2.4GHz card of rb411AR and RB411R?
2. - Crossroads are death? I love crossroads size and power..

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Re: 411R disappointment?

Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:49 am

1. http://www.routerboard.com/pdf/rb411ar.pdf
2. no, crossroads is still living and still for sale
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Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:13 pm

Isn't in the Datasheet. I found it in other forum. 100mW.
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Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:17 pm

I just gave you the link! What you mean "isn't"? I see it!
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I just gave you the link! What you mean "isn't"? I see it!
People want Watt's and not dBm :)
but 20dBm = 100mW and 30dBm = 1W
 
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Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:40 pm

it's easy to convert these values ;)

it's like saying "People want to know kilometers, but you are giving us miles !!!!! "
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Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:54 pm

f**k.

I didn't read this: TX power Up to 20 dBm xDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
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Re: 411R disappointment?

Sat Aug 22, 2009 3:20 am

This week we were told that the crossroads is no longer available. The replacement was the RB411AR. We thought "great" little faster processor, and the price was a little lower.

Then we got the boards in and found out about the 20dBm tx limit. This kills the value of the board.

Will you be selling a RB411AR52H that integrates the R52H with the 411? This would be an awesome combination.

Until that happens, where can we get CRD boards? We need them.

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Sat Aug 22, 2009 7:15 am

For CRD boards check with Mikrotik distributors. There are still small quantities of stock out there. The indoor cases were discontinued several months ago and that is usually a leading sign that the board won't be made any more.

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Re: 411R disappointment?

Sat Sep 19, 2009 12:20 am

I can't figure out from pdf the following: is the integrated radio supports 40Mhz, 10MHz and 5MHz bandwidth modes?
 
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Re: 411R disappointment?

Mon Sep 21, 2009 10:35 am

of course, like all MikroTik products
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