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NEW RB711

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 11:47 am
by honzam
CPU: Atheros AR7240 400MHz network processor
Memory: 32MB DDR SDRAM onboard memory
Boot loader: RouterBOOT
Data storage: 64MB onboard NAND memory chip
Ethernet: One 10/100 Mbit/s Fast Ethernet port with Auto-MDI/X
miniPCI: none
Wireless: Built in 5GHz AR9280 802.11a/n card, 1 MMCX connector
Extras: Reset switch, Beeper
Serial port: none
LEDs: Power, NAND activity, 5 user LEDs
Power options: Power over Ethernet: 10..28V DC (except power over datalines). No power jack
Power consumption: Up to 4.5W at 18V full load (0.245A)
RX sensitivity:
- 802.11a: -92 dBm @ 6Mbps to -76 dBm @ 54 Mbps
- 802.11n: -92 dBm @ MCS0 to -73 dBm @ MCS7
TX power:
- 802.11a: 23dBm @ 6Mbps to 19dBm @ 54 Mbps
- 802.11n: 22dBm @ MCS0 to 15dBm @ MCS7
Modulations:
- OFDM: BPSK, QPSK, 16 QAM, 64QAM
- DSSS: DBPSK, DQPSK, CCK
Dimensions: 10.5 cm x 10.5 cm (4.13 in x 4.13 in)
Weight: 67g
Operating System: MikroTik RouterOS v4, Level3 license

http://ebc41.elektroda.eu/711-1.pdf

Have rb711 surge protection??

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:21 pm
by laurinkus
I'm disappointed.

- no GigE
- slow CPU
- no plastic case
- L3 licence

Hope there are more 7xx models in the pipeline.

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 11:18 pm
by HaQs
I'm disappointed too.

cheap CPE ok, but:

- no plastic case
- no DC JACK - WHY ? (cost 0,1 EUR)
- lan integrated in CPU :/

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:27 am
by roc-noc.com
And only 1 MIMO. :(

I really which they would share their product ideas with a peer review board.

Tom

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:03 am
by normis
We have more than 10 new products coming this year, each will have their own. This is for the integrators, they simply love them. Demand is very high.

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 10:53 am
by HaQs
10 new products :/ :
RB711 with 1x ufl
RB711 with 1x mmcx
RB711 with 2x ufl
RB711 with 2x mmcx
RB711 with USB
RB711 with b/g radio
RB711 with JACK ?
RB711 with RS232
RB711 with more ram
RB711 with more CPU

Maybe others? :/

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 10:58 am
by normis
what's the difference with most of our RB411 products?

the RB711 is special because it doesn't have any of those features, that way it's cheaper.

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 3:11 pm
by dingsingo
Hi,

at any rate, it give this new Products:

RB711-5Hn-M - RouterBOARD 711 with 400Mhz Atheros CPU, 32MB RAM, 1 LAN, 1 built-in 5Ghz 802.11a/n card, RouterOS L3, MMCX connector

RB711-5Hn-U - RouterBOARD 711 with 400Mhz Atheros CPU, 32MB RAM, 1 LAN, 1 built-in 5Ghz 802.11a/n card, RouterOS L3, U.fl connector

RB711A-5Hn-M
- RouterBOARD 711 with 400Mhz Atheros CPU, 64MB RAM, 1 LAN, 1 built-in 5Ghz 802.11a/n card, RouterOS L4, MMCX connector



dingsingo

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 3:28 pm
by THG
We have more than 10 new products coming this year, each will have their own.
Interesting, what kind of products?

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 3:28 pm
by normis
All kinds :D

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:34 pm
by nickshore
It would be useful if you were to tell your distributors under an NDA, so that we can plan our ordering to coincide with new products.

Nick.

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 7:16 pm
by meno
is in the list RB750 with wireless integrated?

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 2:30 am
by JorgeAmaral
It would be useful if you were to tell your distributors under an NDA, so that we can plan our ordering to coincide with new products.

Nick.
I completely agree.

Kindly regards,

Jorge

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 3:41 am
by Athan
I'm very disappointed too! :(

Is it so difficult to bring something really useful like a 450G + R52Hn + L5 in a nice metal case? I'm pretty sure that's what most of us were expecting for. It would sell like hotcakes.

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 7:54 am
by normis
I see that everyone has their special dream product that "would sell like hotcakes" and that "everyone needs", but everyone has a different one :)

Don't worry, we will make them Lots of people dreamed about RB711 too.

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 10:33 am
by HaQs
Yes, my RB dream:

ideal CPE for indoors:

3x eth (build in switch)
1x build in radio (b/g/n or a/n)
1x minipci

ideal CPE for outdoors:
RB711 + jack DC, + not integrated lan in cpu.

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 10:34 am
by normis
the first one you mentioned sounds a lot like the RB433

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 5:13 pm
by HaQs
OK RB413R with build in radio and 1x minipci and plastic case. :)

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 5:36 pm
by Muqatil
This RB711 was exactly what I was looking for! :lol:
Awaiting the RB750AR now :)

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 7:43 pm
by warwick09
I see that everyone has their special dream product that "would sell like hotcakes" and that "everyone needs", but everyone has a different one :)

Don't worry, we will make them Lots of people dreamed about RB711 too.
lol - funny stuff ... but to chime in. Are there any 2.4Ghz 1x1 n based solutions in the pipeline, or is that just another pipedream? :o


Nonetheless im sure ill find a use for the released 5ghz version.

What L2MTU will the NEW RB711 support? (hoping for jumbo fra

Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 1:32 am
by astounding
What's the L2MTU for the new RB 711? I'm hoping for a BARE MINIMUM of 1534 so I can do 1500+4+4 Q-in-Q tagged VLAN frames INSIDE of MPLS VPLS tunnel...

Wondering,
Aaron out.

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 9:23 am
by nz_monkey
I think this is a fantastic product, perfect fit for WISP CPE radios in combination with Mikrotik's new Nv2 TDMA protocol. Great work Mikrotik.

There are so many potential products Mikrotik could make, the thing is every variation costs a lot of money in design and tooling, so they have to choose carefully what they put into production.

I think the ones that would be hot sellers would be:

RB750GR RB750G but with 802.11n radio
RB980G(R) plastic cased SMB router with 8 switched ethernet ports, (R) for possible 802.11n model
RB980GD(R) plastic cased SMB router with 8 port switch and A/VDSL2+, (R) for possible 802.11n model
RB????U Rack mount, multi-core router with 2+ SFP slots, multiple gigabit ethernet, USB 2.0, hardware crypto acceleration and externally accessible micro-sd slots

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 10:19 am
by Raf
10 new products :/ :
RB711 with 1x ufl
RB711 with 1x mmcx
RB711 with 2x ufl
RB711 with 2x mmcx
RB711 with USB
RB711 with b/g radio
RB711 with JACK ?
RB711 with RS232
RB711 with more ram
RB711 with more CPU

Maybe others? :/
Yes. MikroTik will make yet another (say 11) product for You. It will do your dishes, washing up, make food and of course do you a b*ow job.
And for the real. C'mon people! RB 711 is great, great low cost CPE with 11a and 11n and faster CPU. It is great successor of 411 board.
There will be other boards to meet most demands (and I mean most, not ALL. ALL is not possible ever). Why are You always complaining? The more I see such complains, the more I believie that if Normis gave you people $100 for free, you would say: "I'm disappointed. Only $100?". Once again - c'mon…

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 1:49 pm
by HaQs
OK but 711 with DC jack and 2x MMCX , increase cost +1$ ?

RB711 with this is more funcional and cost negligible.

build in LAN in CPU for outdoors is very bad idea.

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 4:53 pm
by Raf
Why the hell You need DC jack if this is CPE BOARD THAT WILL LAND IN OUTDOOR BOX with antenna? Use PoE and stop whinning.

Two MMCXes? Let me repeat. This is LOW COST CPE. One radio chain. Don't want use one chain in 11n? Stick with 11a. Remember about LOW COST. You need two chains? Wait. Maybe MT will do such board. If not - use RB 411 with ANY card You want. Period.

LAN controller in CPU is veeery bad oh yes? No. It's good for some reasons. For lowering the price. But wait! You wrote this, because you though about damaging LAN by lightning. Am I right? Well, I must be and I am. You know what? Ground your installation properly and LAN won't damage.

Your arguments are very weak. I wrote earlier about $100 but must do this different. Please stop (for God's sake) whinning/complaining about this board. It's a LOW COST CPE board. You won't use it for main radio links in your ISP company. You won't use it as base station board. Read form my lips: LOW COST CPE board. You want a S-Class Mercedes? Then pay for it and stop spitting the acid at MT because they developed new board.

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 8:57 pm
by angboontiong
If the Routerboard come with 4 minipci slot and also with the fiber interface will sound good.

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 12:45 am
by HaQs
OK: 711 is LOW COST CPE board.
But DC JACK and second MMCX how is cost ? 0,5, 1$ ?

Second mmcx is not necessary for me, but with DC JACK I can use this board for indoors without PoE.
-------------------------------
RAF:
Tak w ogóle jak już mogę napisać po polsku jako że w preferowanym języku tego forum nie jestem w stanie kłócić się.
Ile im ta płyta wyjdzie drożej 1 zł ? a funkcjonalność o wiele większa jak napisałem wyżej mi złącze DC bardzo by się przydało, to że akurat Tobie nie jest potrzebne nie znaczy ze tego nie potrzeba pyzatym jak coś ma być bardzo tanie to znowu nie wmówisz mi że wlutowanie jacka sprawi że już nie będzie to super tanim RBkiem na CPE. Jest to koszt pomijalny a rodzi dodatkowe zastosowanie.
Tak w ogóle to może kupimy ubiquiti i będzie tanio i fajnie. Wg mnie powinno być bardziej profesjonalnie przy wybieraniu kompromisów.
Chyba że ten procek kosztuje nie wiele więcej niż sam LAN to ok. ale nie wydaje mi się choć tyle dobrze że BGA nie włożyli bo to by już była porażka.
Odnośnie dobrze zrobionej instalacji odgromowej, jakoś nie wieże że tak każdy albo chociaż co dziesiąty dla każdego klienta np. zakopie uziom jak ktoś ma drewniany domek i nawet nie słyszał o uziemieniu wiec no bez przesady. Wymądrzać się można no ale realia są inne. No chyba że ty kopiesz ludziom uziomy to pełna powaga i chyle czoło.
Pozdrawiam

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 1:41 am
by rmichael
RB711 is a fine low cost board. It's a drop in replacement for RB411 CPE and great upgrade path. It conserves bandwidth due to single chain while providing enough speed to each user. My guess it'll probably be $50 to $60. At that price point one cannot argue that replaceable wifi card would be better. And, if one needs power jack - POE injector is just a few bucks extra.

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:11 am
by Raf
Second mmcx is not necessary for me, but with DC JACK I can use this board for indoors without PoE.
If You need this board indoor, then buy a DC PoE adapter and connect it only with UTP cable.
REALLY I don't see a problem here. There are lot of such DC adapters in Poland and other countries. And You will have only one cable then, not two.

And please remember. We are not arguing here — we are discussing. That is a huge difference.
Also. Don't attack me (You tried do that in polish language). Think it all over again. MT tries to make boards for everyone and not everyone will be happy. It's a life. Don't like 711? Wait for next board from 700 series.

And cool down ;)

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 1:31 pm
by HaQs
I waiting for RB711 with jack :-)
Additional POE adapter (or POE buildin power supply) is more expensive and more problematic for clients. (in indoor CPE)

I install indoor CPE near AC outlet and have only one cable not two for client terminal :-).

I don`t attacking you :-), but I explained to you (in polish) just how much you are wrong about the real installation of lightning protection.

"MT tries to make boards for everyone" OK, but I think here (RB711) too cut costs.

And I think this is a wrong approach.

So in general who will install a good lightning protection for so cheap RB? Skipping the effectiveness of these safeguards. I understand that for distributors is a cool thing for more sales, etc. But a built-lan is only a problem for buyers in the future. Repair of built-in LAN (replacement of the CPU) will be significantly more expensive.

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 5:02 pm
by Raf
I don`t attacking you :-), but I explained to you (in polish) just how much you are wrong about the real installation of lightning protection.
No mate. You are wrong. I sell such devices every day and I know precisely what customers demand. Low price is the key. You cannot have everything in such low cost device and you still don't understand it. If LAN port will damage by lighning - sorry, but it's not MT fault that they've used integrated ethernet controller in CPU. It's your fault. Because You didn't make the installation properly. And who does it properly? Few people maybe. The rest connects everything as it would be used indoor and bingo - that's it. I know how it looks from inside, so don't tell me I'm wrong.
"MT tries to make boards for everyone" OK, but I think here (RB711) too cut costs.
Cut costs too much? I don't think so. OK. Let it be $0.1 for DC in. One is cheap, but multiply it by hundred thousands of boards.
So in general who will install a good lightning protection for so cheap RB? Skipping the effectiveness of these safeguards. I understand that for distributors is a cool thing for more sales, etc. But a built-lan is only a problem for buyers in the future. Repair of built-in LAN (replacement of the CPU) will be significantly more expensive.
Again You don't get it. If this board will be $x.x cheaper than 411+radio card, then spend saved money on proper installation.

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 7:15 pm
by HaQs
Ok you're selling me install and use.
And your customers what they wanted to be sure they buy the cheapest products Ubiquity.

I buy the products and expects MT smarter construction.

Even if the cost of plug on a million pieces was one million U.S. dollars to pay for the client and not make this free MT.

You see that you expect RB will cost a minimum I expected something else. and for example I am able to pay the $1-2 more.

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:15 pm
by RK
And your customers what they wanted to be sure they buy the cheapest products Ubiquity.
I think that, with the release of this board, the Mikrotik solution costs about the same, or less, as a Ubiquiti bullet + panel antenna.

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 11:57 pm
by HaQs
Mikrotik should demonstrate a more professional design.
In my opinion, LAN should be separate or be an additional lighting protection. If RB711 is dedicated outdoor POE powered CPE.

If someone does not agree with the RB711 is the ideal product for him.

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 8:36 am
by Raf
Don't You really understand that lightning protection won't work until you'll ground it properly?
Geez...

I'll give You an analogy. Not only You must buy a condom to be protected, but You must WEAR IT. Do You undestand now?

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 8:52 am
by charliebrown
With sites that needed lightning protection my old company used to run 5cm wide 4mm thick solid copper strap and mount a 3 prong copper hat on the pole. Why do you need dinky little lightning protection on a CPE when you wont ground it right or ground it enough to make any difference?

The RB711 is great for mounting in an antenna and chucking it up a pole for Outdoor CPE or a quick and dirty AP. If you want to use it indoor etc etc then maybe this product isnt for you?

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 9:54 am
by Raf
As You see HaQs can't understand that...

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 10:00 am
by macgaiver
I think the main idea here is to give good and logical feedback to MikroTik about this new product, so that these ideas might be taken into account in next iterations of this product.

Stop dream-walking - MT gave us new concept RB711, so in best case we can affect some details in board design, but it will still remain RB711.


I would personally like to see 2.4Ghz version and dual chain version of the board.

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 10:21 am
by charliebrown
Here here! ^

Didnt we have a 2.4ghz version with the RB CrossRoads?

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 10:33 am
by RK
and dual chain version of the board.
Do you know of any affordable 5 GHz dual polarity antennas we would use this with?

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 1:14 pm
by HaQs
So you think that the integrated LAN is OK for outdoor solutions?.
I have no more questions.

Yes RB711 by the lack of DC JACK is not suitable for indoor applications.
The Surge protection does not work without the ground precisely. Therefore, Lan should be separate, because we know what it threatens.

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 3:19 pm
by charliebrown
What's separate lan going doing honestly? Have you seen the mess a direct hit to gear does? Any kind of protection would need the aim of not hitting your gear but something else. Anything you put on the RB is still going to blow the antenna/pole/whatever and require a site visit anyway. All "lightning protection" would do on a RB is push up the price and provide a false sense of security to those who don't understand how to do it right

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 4:19 pm
by ste
and dual chain version of the board.
Do you know of any affordable 5 GHz dual polarity antennas we would use this with?
Depends what is affordable to you.

http://www.stelladoradus.com
http://www.itelite.net

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 7:26 pm
by HaQs
Before a direct hit will not defend anything.
And that's not what is at stake.

Repair of an integrated LAN = processor replacement = much more $.

But OK if no one else has anything against.

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:07 pm
by Muqatil
HaQs, you got already a better product: RB411+R52Hn..
Why are you looking for a RB711? It's not your target!

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:15 pm
by janisbvp
Yepp, some people are tough... all these talks and 2 questions missing:
1. When are these boards shipped to be ready to install?
2. Someone knows the prices already?

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:39 pm
by normis
list price for RB711 (no A) is 49$. They are already being shipped to distributors since last week.

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:48 pm
by janisbvp
First great news!
Thanks, Normis!
Will get my bench ready for torture of these boards.

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 6:34 pm
by angboontiong
Normis...

is possible the routerboard can have the signaling connector?

it like some wireless bridge, the having bnc connector, you can purchase a small bnc type signaling reader, connect to the radio and do the alignment with that tools..

we purchase most the RB433 is because when fit into the enclosure antenna, we use the Ether2 for the alignment, when alignment done, that will be standby port for the client.

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 6:50 pm
by normis
Vincent, if we would make something like that, it would not be for the most affordable device. Some people don't need many features. They need a cost effective device to make CPEs from. This is why we made RB711.

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 7:12 pm
by jcrites2008
I hope there is a 2 ghz version of this coming!

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 7:23 pm
by HaQs
Are there any chances to something like the RB711, but with a plastic case, RPSMA and DC jack?

Or something similar in price not much higer?

Ideal for indoor CPE.

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 7:25 pm
by honzam
I hope there is a 2 ghz version of this coming!
There is
http://www.roc-noc.com/product.php?productid=59

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 7:37 pm
by jcrites2008
That's old and EOL. It's also not wireless N. I'm surprised they have any of those left!

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:14 am
by Hammy
I'm disappointed in the lack of dual chains. A low cost CPE may not need the speed of dual chains, but it would allow for an overall more efficient RF environment. There would be better signal and more clients could share the speed dual chains provides.

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:13 am
by changeip
yes, i could care less about the speeds, its the fact that I can provide service to 20% more clients now with dual polarity. Links that wouldnt work before now do just fine.

Image

I couldnt make this link using single polarity, but it works great with dual. Yes, it is a 2ft dish, but still it works vs not working.

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:24 am
by RK
I'm disappointed in the lack of dual chains. A low cost CPE may not need the speed of dual chains, but it would allow for an overall more efficient RF environment. There would be better signal and more clients could share the speed dual chains provides.
What antenna would you use to create a low cost dual chain CPE (if there was such a routerboard)?

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 2:38 pm
by Hammy
I'm disappointed in the lack of dual chains. A low cost CPE may not need the speed of dual chains, but it would allow for an overall more efficient RF environment. There would be better signal and more clients could share the speed dual chains provides.
What antenna would you use to create a low cost dual chain CPE (if there was such a routerboard)?
I'm not sure as up until this product and the new NV2 I was only considering Ubiquiti for new wireless deployments. I haven't looked for low cost dual polarity antenna. Ubiquiti made their own, maybe Mikrotik should do the same?

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 3:34 pm
by frontiersteve
If they do, a product similar to this http://www.rfelements.com/StationBox-5G ... tenna.html would be decent starting point.

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 3:38 pm
by Bomber67
I think the RB711 sounds like a hit for a low cost integrated CPE device.
If you need DC jack, lots of ethernet ports or MINIPCI slots, or a faster CPU go look elsewhere, there are many alternatives.

Does anybody know whether Poynting will launch a MMCX version of the Micropoynt integrated antenna?

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 5:45 pm
by honzam
yes, i could care less about the speeds, its the fact that I can provide service to 20% more clients now with dual polarity. Links that wouldnt work before now do just fine.
What program did you use for programming wifi connection? Photo. It looks very nice

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:14 pm
by warwick09
If they do, a product similar to this http://www.rfelements.com/StationBox-5G ... tenna.html would be decent starting point.
that antenna is laughable at best .... but it would make some sort of starting point. :?

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 8:11 pm
by changeip
yes, i could care less about the speeds, its the fact that I can provide service to 20% more clients now with dual polarity. Links that wouldnt work before now do just fine.
What program did you use for programming wifi connection? Photo. It looks very nice
I used RadioMobile, get the Radio Link working, and then use File -> Export to Google Earth. Best feature I've found in the past week... I love that program.

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 10:00 am
by RK
If they do, a product similar to this http://www.rfelements.com/StationBox-5G ... tenna.html would be decent starting point.
First affordable dual polarity enclosure I have seen, but 12 dBi is far too low. Thanks for sharing.

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 11:26 am
by dingsingo
If they do, a product similar to this http://www.rfelements.com/StationBox-5G ... tenna.html would be decent starting point.
First affordable dual polarity enclosure I have seen, but 12 dBi is far too low. Thanks for sharing.


Look hear:

http://www.poynting.co.za/ECGWebManager ... asheet.pdf

is a 20dB dual CPE

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 7:21 pm
by changeip
Exactly. So $129 for a dual polarity antenna. Thats more than the routerboard and PoE put together. It's going to have to eventually happen, otherwise there will be way more 'other' cpes in use and Mikrotik will lose their edge. If you have to deploy 20 customers next week do you spend $89 or $300 each?

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:12 pm
by lzzl551
We have more than 10 new products coming this year, each will have their own. This is for the integrators, they simply love them. Demand is very high.
one of 10 new products has a AR7240+AR9285
In Atheros's web Introducing the AR9280,the single-chip(2.4/5 GHz)solution for PCIe inXSPAN's third generation of

products.
Support for 2×2 MIMO, but Mikrotik's not supprot 2×2 MIMO
http://www.atheros.com/pt/bulletins/AR9280Bulletin.pdf
AR7240+AR9285(2.4G)is Atheros's low cost 150M
http://www.atheros.com/pt/bulletins/AR9 ... lletin.pdf
Im sorry MY English poor
I want to know why not Mikrotik make AR9280 2×2 MIMO?

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:15 pm
by normis
We have /many/ products coming this year
I want to know why not Mikrotik make AR9280 2×2 MIMO?
maybe you didn't get it, but ... i'm not going to say what any of the remaining 9 (just a random number) are

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:17 pm
by laurinkus
Which one is the ACTUAL specification of RB711-5Hn-M ? Table on the right is taken from PDF brochure. Since when 400MHz is "H" ?

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 11:38 pm
by Muqatil
"H" refers to the wireless part
RB711 Cheaper version of RB411
R5Hn-M Integrated 802.11n with MMCX.

The R5Hn-M was retired from market because it had some problems (that's what our distributor said)
Are we going to expect same behaviour on this board?

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 12:41 am
by csallor
32M or 64M RAM ?

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 8:53 am
by normis
Medianet is correct about the name, but incorrect about the radio. They have nothing in common with R5Hn

Correct specs are now on the web

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 2:06 am
by Muqatil
I'm glad to hear that :D

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 2:15 am
by adrianatkins
the remaining 9
9 ? Get Notted. I make it 110 new products.

Woohoo !

My maths isn't so good. i think 1+1 = 10.

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 2:23 am
by adrianatkins
I couldnt make this link using single polarity, but it works great with dual.
Obvious question, but did you try vertical and horizontal on both ends before ?

There's no reason Dual would be Great where *neither* worked.

I have seen terrain/bedrock/gold-in-them-thar-hills/whatever alter polarisation, but to get *nothing* before using Dual is new to me, especially if Dual is *good* on the same link.

Tell me more.

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 12:38 am
by frontiersteve
I get a parse error when trying to export to Google earth. Any suggestions?

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 1:27 am
by adrianatkins
I get a parse error when trying to export to Google earth. Any suggestions?
Yep. Lots.

1. Post the same question on the Google Earth forum.
2. Do not export to Google Earth
3. Export only to the Real Earth
4. Use Fuller's Earth for export
5. Earth your Export
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965. Import from Latvia

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 1:32 am
by frontiersteve
Sheesh! :)

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 8:39 pm
by taduikis
Repair of an integrated LAN = processor replacement = much more $.
Are they repairable? Because I have one, probably suffered from lightning damage, everything works fine, except LAN port is deaf. Happened after some lightning storm went by.

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:55 am
by aaa
Yes, but more difficult like 411 :))

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 11:03 am
by taduikis
Well, fortunately I'm talking about RB411 here. Could you please provide some more specific details?

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 3:59 pm
by Nick Kett
We have now installed our first batch of 100 off RB711 board based CPEs.
Integrated with a 19dBi antenna,
We are using:-
RB711-5Hn-MMCX
RoS 4.10 & 4.11
Passive PoE 24 VDC (UBNT Model UBI-POE-24_5)
Wireless Station mode WPA2
DHCP-Server, Ethernet side
DHCP-Client, Wireless side
Firewall-rules
NAT
DNS-(Client/Server mode)
NTP
SNMP, with dude monitoring
Queues, Giving QoS for VoIP
Routing (OSPF)

We use scripts to speed the configuration process.
So far 711s have proven 100% reliable, Total uptime, (sum of all uptime on all routers together) > 50,000 hours.
CPU usage and latency are always low.
Tip: doing a fast ping(every 20ms) with big packets to a local ip address (on the same router), gives a good indication of how well the router is handling itself.
We much Prefer the MMcX connector to UFL connector.
For CPE we only ever use PoE so never missed the DC socket.
We have a network with a large installed base of:
RB532, RB532A-r5, RB532C, RB112, RB133, RB133C, RB333, RB411, RB411AH, RB52, RB52H, SR5, XR5,
UBNT Wispstation, NANO 5/5M, Bullet (all types), NANO 2, Airgrid 5.

For us the RB711 is now our preferred CPE and outclasses all the above for customer CPE installations, cost V performance is Excellent (better than the old RB411/R52 combo).

I just hope the 9 new products are as thoroughly tested as the RB711.

Nick Kett
Rebeloak S.L.
Mikrotik Consultant &
Cert Trainer

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 10:36 pm
by adrianatkins
I've got an email from interprojekt.pl flogging a 19db antenna, case and Rb711 for $69.

Brilliant CPE at that price.

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 1:53 am
by frontiersteve
Here is another one to add to the list. Same manufacturers as the Stationbox, but the case looks a little tidier.
http://www.stationbox.info/StationBoxMikro.html
They are offering free samples at the moment. 8)

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 5:50 am
by Beccara
Free trial or not no info about the antenna at all, Gain? RF pattern? A Price?

Very poorly thought out

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 6:05 am
by frontiersteve
Even then it's a free sample! What do you have to lose? I guess there could be a time bomb hidden inside. ;)

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 6:27 am
by Beccara
No point in a free trial for us if the units $200 USD

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 6:40 am
by frontiersteve
Do you have another radio/enclosure in mind?

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 10:20 am
by Beccara
We have many, all of which we saw the price of before moving forward with that product. Its very poor effort to not put a price online for the options that have as almost everything else I can think of does

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 11:46 am
by Muqatil
100 RB711 purchased
5 RMA..

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 11:50 am
by normis
100 RB711 purchased
5 RMA..
RMA? RB711 gets free replacement, read RMA instructions.

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 11:55 am
by Muqatil
I RMA them to my distributor, which doesn't specify anything about RB711, i'll ask more info about that then

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 11:56 am
by normis
I RMA them to my distributor, which doesn't specify anything about RB711, i'll ask more info about that then
In that case, for you it means faster replacement. Nothing else.

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 6:27 pm
by jcrites2008
Normis,

Can you confirm whether or not there will be a 2GHz version of the 711? That would be very helpful to us as we are getting ready to put up a new site with R52Hn's and are going to be running on 2GHz.

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 1:11 pm
by gnuttisch
we love the new 711.

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 1:26 pm
by normis
Normis,

Can you confirm whether or not there will be a 2GHz version of the 711? That would be very helpful to us as we are getting ready to put up a new site with R52Hn's and are going to be running on 2GHz.
there will be many new products, including something along those lines. you know I can't confirm non-existing products, right?

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 6:07 pm
by jcrites2008
Thanks

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 6:32 pm
by tamilmaran
Vincent, if we would make something like that, it would not be for the most affordable device. Some people don't need many features. They need a cost effective device to make CPEs from. This is why we made RB711.
i like mikrotik very much best of feautures and pricing, but none of the dealers & resellers in india don't give warranty for us..
we cant buy it from mikrotik directly because of high shipping charges,
why cant you provide rma for us directly , or else atleast provide the service manuals for 4xx and 7xx models for eth & no power issues causing mainly ..
It will definitely make the mikrotik reliable forever...

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 7:58 am
by normis
service manuals are available to distributors, ask them. rma directly - you would have to pay that same high shipping charge you mentioned.

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:09 pm
by angboontiong
yes, i could care less about the speeds, its the fact that I can provide service to 20% more clients now with dual polarity. Links that wouldnt work before now do just fine.

Image

I couldnt make this link using single polarity, but it works great with dual. Yes, it is a 2ft dish, but still it works vs not working.

hi dude..
what's the software you using it, it look awesome..

thanks

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 4:39 pm
by Muqatil
It's RadioMobile with Link export on Google Earth

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 4:45 pm
by gcs
i have tried to use radiomoble but can't figure it out. i wish google earth had a way to put tower heights in so the elevation profile would better show the path.

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 4:57 pm
by honzam
Hello.
We in Czech Republic have problems with the last delivery rb711-5Hn. It is very bad tx signal. About 20 db worse than it should be. Is it a manufacturing defect?

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 5:10 pm
by tamilmaran
Hello.
We in Czech Republic have problems with the last delivery rb711-5Hn. It is very bad tx signal. About 20 db worse than it should be. Is it a manufacturing defect?
definetely

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 5:10 pm
by superweb
Same here. The last series with unshielded LAN connector has often problems with signal. Also the mmcx connector wobbles a lot, while signal fluctuates by 10 or more dB when pushing the connector. Strange is that MMCX on other Mikrotik products(minipci) are still much better.

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:57 pm
by midnightman
It looks like a big problem... What now? I think that noone will buy this new 711 after reading this topic.

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:08 pm
by Polky
I'm reporting the same problem! Of the 10 pieces 5 pieces KO. Today I installed the antenna 3 times. He was always a good time signal and after a while -80. And the last unit of this error reported after 2 hours.

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 12:16 am
by jirinovak
Hello I have the same problem as was posted by honzam. There is not only problem with RB711 but also with Groove. Tell us or your distributors which series were poor made. I don't want spend my precious time by packing RB's and sending them back!

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 4:08 pm
by kodein
While mikrotik will not make something like: 680-800Mhz CPU (40-50k pps real traff via bridge), 1G ethernet, 2 mini-PCI, plastik outdoor box - we are not interested in use mikrotik on p2p links.
2-6 years ago I was mikrotiks fan, but last 2 years I can`t say that.

With best regards for Mikrotik! and sorry for my bad engl.

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 5:07 pm
by angboontiong
While mikrotik will not make something like: 680-800Mhz CPU (40-50k pps real traff via bridge), 1G ethernet, 2 mini-PCI, plastik outdoor box - we are not interested in use mikrotik on p2p links.
2-6 years ago I was mikrotiks fan, but last 2 years I can`t say that.

With best regards for Mikrotik! and sorry for my bad engl.
Hi dude..
just can say, in this 2 years time, mikrotik is done a good job and we implement more than 500 wireless point by using the routerboard.

it just depend how well you plan and how you implement it.

trust me, if you are well planning, you will won't get failed.

thanks.

Re: NEW RB711

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 5:16 pm
by kodein

Hi dude..
just can say, in this 2 years time, mikrotik is done a good job and we implement more than 500 wireless point by using the routerboard.

it just depend how well you plan and how you implement it.

trust me, if you are well planning, you will won't get failed.

thanks.
Man )) my plan is to get best hardware for p2p on 802.11 specification from Mikrotik.