RB1100 with 1.5GB RAM, faster CPU, hardware acceleration (like RB1000). Price is $100 more than RB1100.
What do you think?

Datasheet can be found here:

http://www.roc-noc.com/pdf/RB1100/rb1100AH.pdf

Tom

Sweet!! Any idea on when it will be available?

Well. This product is needed. RB1100 is slower than older RB1000

Memory SODIMM DDR Slot, 2GB installed (supports up to 1.5GB) What????

where's multicore , fcpga, hardware forwarding?

guys, is only the AH version of a routerboard, that means just more ram and a faster cpu; not a quad core cpu and sfp etc.

Memory SODIMM DDR Slot, 2GB installed (supports up to 1.5GB) What????

Everyone knows that Mikrotik supports 1.5GB ram...since a long time ago.

Sweet!! Any idea on when it will be available?

In limited production now. We booked an order. MT is supposed to get some in next week. Should find out on Monday how many they will ship to us.

What really surprises me is that they told distributors about it 4 weeks before MUM. They usually save new product announcements for MUM and this Budapest MUM in March will be their biggest show of the year.

Hopefully it means that they have plenty of new toys to announce next month.

Tom

guys, is only the AH version of a routerboard, that means just more ram and a faster cpu; not a quad core cpu and sfp etc.

Memory SODIMM DDR Slot, 2GB installed (supports up to 1.5GB) What????

Everyone knows that Mikrotik supports 1.5GB ram...since a long time ago.

Actually they support 2GB of RAM. I think they are memory mapping out 512K of that space for other devices in their RB1000 and RB1100 designs. It probably keeps the costs down.

Tom

*) reduced maximum supported memory for RB1000 to 1.5Gb (was 1.75Gb);
Anyone knows if on x86 is suported more than 1.5GB?

nothing is reduced. RouterOS always has had RAM maximum 1.5Gb.

So does the RB1100 have 2 RAM slots then? To my knowledge, there are no 1.5 GB sticks.

nothing is reduced. RouterOS always has had RAM maximum 1.5Gb.

is copy/paste from changelog...

What's new in 3.19:

*) fixed problem - web proxy used up all router memory
if unlimited ram caching was enabled;
*) fixed problem - some log topics got swapped in configuration;
*) reduced maximum supported memory for RB1000 to 1.5Gb (was 1.75Gb);
*) interface mesh was not working in 3.18, fixed;
*) fixed Prism crash;
*) fixed VPLS interface related crash in mpls-test;
*) allow to enter range in BGP instance confederation peers;
*) console - fixed '/system backup save' command, name argument is
optional, and backup file name is automatically generated if empty;
*) sped up IPv6 forwarding on RB4xx, RB1xx and RB5xx;
*) fixed BGP route selection in routing-test;
*) fixed dhcp server to update agent-circuit-id and agent-remote-id for lease
whenever it changes;

So does the RB1100 have 2 RAM slots then? To my knowledge, there are no 1.5 GB sticks.

you can install any size, only 1.5GB will be used.

It was a bug, that's why it's in the changelog. RouterOS always supported 1.5Gb memory.

RB1100AH has a 2GB SODIMM RAM loaded, but RouterOS will only utilize 1.5GB from this module.

Yes!! Hardware crypto is back


Thanks guys, I look forward to finding out what the RB1200 is

Normis: Will be RB1100AH more powerful than the RB1000?
Do you have any performance tests?

It's similar. At higher clock speeds, even faster. Results will be published soon.

1066Mhz is the base speed? What other speeds will be supported and stable?

1066Mhz is the base speed? What other speeds will be supported and stable?

1500MHz seems stable so far.

Wow. That sounds promising

1066Mhz is the base speed? What other speeds will be supported and stable?

1500MHz seems stable so far.

What is the maximum for that CPU?

1066Mhz is the base speed? What other speeds will be supported and stable?

1500MHz seems stable so far.

What is the maximum for that CPU?

1500. We try not to ship products with settings that can damage them, or are not recommended.

we have updated the benchmark document:
http://www.routerboard.com/pdf/routerbo ... _tests.pdf

Nice,

But a question...
How can the B1100AH @1066MHz be faster then the B1100AH @1333MHz on 1500 packets?

RB1000 have PPC8547 1333MHz
RB1100AH have MPC8533 1066MHz
These are different chips. How is it possible - are compared as the same models?
If the same frequency (1333), the boards have the same performance?

yes, they are different CPUs, but the results are 99% the same, that's why they are in the same table.

Thank for your answer Normis. And what TKITFrank post?

Thank for your answer Normis. And what TKITFrank post?

interesing, will check. maybe copy/paste error

file corrected. tests were done with different RouterOS versions. there are improvements in v5 so it's a little faster.

@normis

Can you just in this forum post the same with 1500Mhz?

you will have to test that yourself we don't post overclock results usually.

It was just out of curiosity
Not intended to be an official statement from you / MikroTik.

If it is okay?

would it be faster than my x86 Intel Pentium 4 2Ghz RouterOS?

In my tests: 1 day, i changed rb1100 @ 800Mhz, increase performance and slow cpu usage 40%. Previous 65%.


After, i post new observations.

would it be faster than my x86 Intel Pentium 4 2Ghz RouterOS?

I prefer RB1000 (and new 1100AH). for being a dedicated hardware and integrated. reduce possible problems such irqs for exemple

nothing is reduced. RouterOS always has had RAM maximum 1.5Gb.

Then I have found a bug in ROS version 5.2. From system resources...

RB1100
---------
1497.1 Free Memory
1519.4 Total Memory

Roc-Box-D510 (x86 Intel Atom)
------------------------------------
1875.2 Free Memory
1897.7 Total Memory

Roc-Box Core (x86 Dual Core Pentium)
--------------------------------------------
1875.6 Free Memory
1897.8 Total Memory

Tom

PPC platform has less available memory (available to user) because of some architecture specifics. Also it has more reserved for Metarouter. This will not change in near future, so we say 1.5Gb is available, even if some platforms have a little more. Memory is not so much used in RouterOS so this doesn't matter much.

Normis: that means, RB1100AH comes with 2G module, 1.5G is useable, but 500M is reserved for metarouter?
This means, i can use the reserved 500M in metarouter(s)?

no, maximum RouterOS can use is 1897.8, so around 300Mb. But this is for internal use, the extra memory is not available to the user.

Is RB1100AH currently shipping?

I don't find it in http://routerboard.com/

Is RB1100AH currently shipping?

I don't find it in http://routerboard.com/

I think they have problems with the production or with the board. Two of my regular suppliers had had them in their sales list for months, both marked as ´coming soon´. One of these suppliers took it out of their webshop now, the other one still shows "not available yet". This is for at least 5 months now..... And now MT themselves removed it from their http://www.routerboard.com page? (It has been there for sure...)
Maybe they are working on something even faster!

we had a problem with part supplier, that's why we made a "new and improved" RB1100AH and RB1100AHx2, which will be coming this autumn.

So 1200 is the only 1000 series product currently shipping?

Yes

Test results gone offline:)

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If you think this is a server error, please contact the webmaster.
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http://www.routerboard.com/pdf/routerbo ... _tests.pdf

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http://www.routerboard.com/pdf/routerbo ... _tests.pdf

for a long time already. test results are on the bottom of every product page now.

we had a problem with part supplier, that's why we made a "new and improved" RB1100AH and RB1100AHx2, which will be coming this autumn.

Hi! The "new" product will be named RB1100AH as the older? or the "new" it's the RB1100AHx2 ?

Autum starts on 10 days. Do you have some information about the aproximated coming date (earlier autumn or later autumn) ?

My distributor doesn't have any information related with the part problem of RB1100AH or the newer product RB1100AHx2.

Regards.

@NetVicious;

http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=54758

Vote for the Spanish suggestion and we can meet!

we had a problem with part supplier, that's why we made a "new and improved" RB1100AH and RB1100AHx2, which will be coming this autumn.

Hi! The "new" product will be named RB1100AH as the older? or the "new" it's the RB1100AHx2 ?

Autum starts on 10 days. Do you have some information about the aproximated coming date (earlier autumn or later autumn) ?

My distributor doesn't have any information related with the part problem of RB1100AH or the newer product RB1100AHx2.

Regards.

there are two products coming in October, RB1100AH and RB1100AHx2, both of them are new designs.

So what happens to people who already have RB1100AH from the limited stock? Are we able to swap the unit for a "New and Improved" RB1100AH? What is the exact difference between the two? Are there any issues using it that we should be aware of?

How much BGP routes RB1100AH and RB1100AHx2 can handle.
will it normaly work with 3+ full BGP tables and what throughput can it handle with this config.
Also basic firewall will be in use.

So what happens to people who already have RB1100AH from the limited stock? Are we able to swap the unit for a "New and Improved" RB1100AH? What is the exact difference between the two? Are there any issues using it that we should be aware of?

yeah right, and Apple allows you to swap iPhone 3G for iPhone 4 just like that.

So what happens to people who already have RB1100AH from the limited stock? Are we able to swap the unit for a "New and Improved" RB1100AH? What is the exact difference between the two? Are there any issues using it that we should be aware of?

yeah right, and Apple allows you to swap iPhone 3G for iPhone 4 just like that.

YOU earned karma!

How much BGP routes RB1100AH and RB1100AHx2 can handle.
will it normaly work with 3+ full BGP tables and what throughput can it handle with this config.
Also basic firewall will be in use.

Realy no one knows?

So what happens to people who already have RB1100AH from the limited stock? Are we able to swap the unit for a "New and Improved" RB1100AH? What is the exact difference between the two? Are there any issues using it that we should be aware of?

yeah right, and Apple allows you to swap iPhone 3G for iPhone 4 just like that.

LOL, nice answer... I must have missed something... I thought people talked to others with respect when dealing on an official forum.

Last time I checked, Apple doesn't release a product that has an initial limited production scale, and then one month later, announce that there are "issues" and fix it with new hardware.

And yes, last time i had a problem with my iPhone, I crushed it in my car when my motorized car seat moved over it and cracked the screen. They replaced it with a new phone for free within 5 days.

The least you can do is explain in some sort of formal communication, what exactly the problem is, and what people with this product are expected to do. I'll tell you right now, if it becomes a brick and it becomes my "new and improved" paper weight, it will be the last mikrotik product I buy. I still have a ticket that hasn't been replied to in months regarding my RB1000U. I just gave up.

You know what, even if you drop the sarcasm it could have helped. I guess there's no hope...

There is nothing limited, and no "fixes". We wouldn't sell partly-working devices as you are implying. The RB1100AH that were shipped beginning of this year are perfectly fine and working devices with no compromises.

We had first production run of RB1100AH, it was smaller than usual, so supply was limited.
Then we will have a production batch with an improved design because of some supplier changes. Simple evolution of a product.

How much BGP routes RB1100AH and RB1100AHx2 can handle.
will it normaly work with 3+ full BGP tables and what throughput can it handle with this config.
Also basic firewall will be in use.

Realy no one knows?

Some people have written on the forum that with 2 or 3 feeds they got 300Mbit. You will need more RAM for such a setup (2GB instead of just 512MB, but I think these will ship with 2GB actually). Also, the AHx2 has the advantage, that it will have two cores, so if routing eats all resources on core#1, the core#2 will have available resources for all other processes and RouterOS will work as usual.

Also, the AHx2 has the advantage, that it will have two cores

Good information. Any other difference between AH and AHx2 ?

Also, the AHx2 has the advantage, that it will have two cores

Good information. Any other difference between AH and AHx2 ?

no, that's the only big difference, as far as I know.

There is nothing limited, and no "fixes". We wouldn't sell partly-working devices as you are implying. The RB1100AH that were shipped beginning of this year are perfectly fine and working devices with no compromises.

We had first production run of RB1100AH, it was smaller than usual, so supply was limited.
Then we will have a production batch with an improved design because of some supplier changes. Simple evolution of a product.

That's more of the answer I was looking for.

Thank you for the explanation! I appreciate the confirmation that there is nothing wrong with the current RB1100AH.

Thank you for answer!

i'm sorry, if i dumb, but i have idea, what is the relation with memory and BGP-routing thruput (as well as 3x full view).
As i know, memory is needed for routing table.
However, over 2-300mbps uplink, i would NOT choose this product as a core router, rather an x86 (for almost the double price - it worth every cents).

Yes, RB1100AH would nicely do routing of gigabit (i think even with BGP) but not any other - if packet size it's bigger than 1k average.
If you receive a bunch of small packet -> sits down.
You want some filtering -> sits down.
Simple queue limiting a single host -> sits down.
Conntrack ON - minus ~30% thruput.
receiving DoS -> sits down.

I bought a pair of them - i would use them as a VPN tunnel (you know, hardware IPSEC accelerator), instead of routing 500mbps internet feed.

to be fair - DoS vs. anything = anything sits down.

about everything else, it depends on how your configuration is made.

Janis:
to be fair - yes. however a decent x86 (like Core i3 or Core i5 or Xeon) can survive much much bigger pps flood.
I've tested RB1100AH vs i3 router: RB's CPU maxed when a simple queue with 500mbps datarate enabled, while x86 said only ~20-30%.
(iperf test with routing)

RB1100AH - iperf max 980/~350 mbps with 99% cpu
x86 - iperf 980/980mbps with 2 cores loaded, 2cores free (Core i3)

(maybe my measures was bad)

wpeople,

Can you share your maximum RB1100AH pps figure?

Thanks,
Everton

Janis:
to be fair - yes. however a decent x86 (like Core i3 or Core i5 or Xeon) can survive much much bigger pps flood.
I've tested RB1100AH vs i3 router: RB's CPU maxed when a simple queue with 500mbps datarate enabled, while x86 said only ~20-30%.
(iperf test with routing)

RB1100AH - iperf max 980/~350 mbps with 99% cpu
x86 - iperf 980/980mbps with 2 cores loaded, 2cores free (Core i3)

(maybe my measures was bad)

Will the upcoming RB1100AH and RB100AHx2 models come with switch chip Atheros8316 ?

wpeople,

Can you share your maximum RB1100AH pps figure?

Thanks,
Everton

not at this time yet.

wpeople,

Can you share your maximum RB1100AH pps figure?

Thanks,
Everton

not at this time yet.

Thanks janisk, I take you intended to comment on Atheros8316 right?

Will the upcoming RB1100AH and RB100AHx2 models come with switch chip Atheros8316 ?

if ports are switched, then you can look at wirespeed for small packets. So, i meant actual performance of the CPU.

Any update on when these (rb1100AH) will be out to the distributors?

thanks

Any update on when these (rb1100AH) will be out to the distributors?

thanks

I think they ship end of next week, or so

Got one of the preseries models. Runs like a charm )

[admin@gw32] > system resource print
uptime: 17w5d12h43m23s
version: "4.17"
free-memory: 1523536kB
total-memory: 1555956kB
cpu: "e500v2"
cpu-count: 1
cpu-frequency: 1066MHz
cpu-load: 1
free-hdd-space: 490148kB
total-hdd-space: 520192kB
write-sect-since-reboot: 275896
write-sect-total: 302634
bad-blocks: 0%
architecture-name: "powerpc"
board-name: "RB1100AH"
platform: "MikroTik"

v4.17 indicates that it is previous "limited" edition of RB1100AH - new one will probably work properly only with version starting from v5.x

that is what he meant with preseries . the new and updated RB1100AH upgrade will be launched in 2-3 weeks.

I have a question about the new version of 1100AH
I don't see on his brochure the hardware IPSEC accelerator, does have or not?

Our future product, the AHx2 will have hardware acceleration

Our future product, the AHx2 will have hardware acceleration

What? If my memory it's not wrong I remember the old RB1100AH had IPSec acceleration isn't it ?

Our future product, the AHx2 will have hardware acceleration

What? If my memory it's not wrong I remember the old RB1100AH had IPSec acceleration isn't it ?

The new one is a different design. It also has no fans (silent). But the performance has been drastically improved, nerly 500'000 pps is possible now, so performance for IPsec will be great anyway.

Ok, we need to see if the price has increased too. If it loses one very good feature talking about secured VPNs but it gains a bit more speed I think it should get a bit lower price.

There is a planned release date for the AHx2 ?

Ok, we need to see if the price has increased too. If it loses one very good feature talking about secured VPNs but it gains a bit more speed I think it should get a bit lower price.

There is a planned release date for the AHx2 ?

Please ask your local distributor for price and availability, those should already be known, but they depend on region

Hi Normis,
If RB1100AH does not have IPSec hardware acceleration, please remove from hardware list at http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:IP/IPsec

So seriousely, does the new RB1100AH have hardware acceleration or not ? :/ no real answer...
And are rb1100ahX2 going to be released soon? we've planning to update our network and if it would be available i would like to buy two of these, ofcourse if the price will be logical

The new RB1100AH model doesn't haves IPSec hardware acceleration.

Normis said the new model it's faster than the old RB1100AH model.

the only IPsec accelerated model will be RB1100AHx2.

RB1100AHx2 will be available this year

oh now it's clear thx 4 info.

So MT need to fix some documentations. In the user guide of RB1100, written RB1100AH has IPsec acceleration.
http://routerboard.com/pdf/282/rb1100ug.pdf

Hy,

is it corrctly that the new RB100AH have no fans by dafault ? The old Version of 2010 have two of them intern ?


Thx

dingsingo

Yup, bought one a month ago - was surprised that there ain't no fans anymore

Yes, no more fans. Silent product!

So MT need to fix some documentations. In the user guide of RB1100, written RB1100AH has IPsec acceleration.

sorry, fixed.

anyone has a benchmark of RB1100AH (no IPSec acceleration) IPSEC tunnel thruput?
i would be interested to compare against older (prototype) RB1100AH (with IPSec) - I could make ~400mbps with it.

anyone has a benchmark of RB1100AH (no IPSec acceleration) IPSEC tunnel thruput?
i would be interested to compare against older (prototype) RB1100AH (with IPSec) - I could make ~400mbps with it.

I can make it for you later. What configuration?

Ipsec througput all models:

Old RB1100AH (end of 2010) with Ipsec acceleration 500Mbit
New RB1100AH (end of 2011) without Ipsec acceleration (no HW support) 200Mbit
New RB1100AHx2 (end of 2011) with Ipsec acceleration 800Mbit

Thank you normis for great information . Could you please provide us more detail about test throughput? What was enc algorithm, traffic was UDP or TCP etc...

Hey any news about RB1100AHx2 ?

Hey any news about RB1100AHx2 ?

it's on our webpage already, including throughput info
http://routerboard.com/RB1100AHx2

Hey any news about RB1100AHx2 ?

it's on our webpage already, including throughput info
http://routerboard.com/RB1100AHx2

ogh, pardon me, so it's should be allready available to order from sellers?

yes! ask sellers for availability time

normis: In the webpage of RB1100AHx2 says zero LAN ports. (copy&paste bug

Amazing... RB1100AHx2 on the web already. I have already ordered few RB1100AH routers. Now need to order RB1100AHx2 again. I surprised that the price is only 495$. I will buy if MT offers me powerful router like 4xRB1100AHx2 for 4000$ I don`t like routeros on X86. I wish RB9000AHx10

ordered two routers too

Hi,

do you have any infos about VPN throughput? SSTP and PPTP would be interesting.

Hi Normis,
I found some info about P2020 (RB1100AHx2) CPU. P2020 includes 2 peaces of e500V2 processor, which is the CPU of old RB1000. So does it mean IPSec throughput of RB1100AHx2 is the 2 times greater than RB1000? If yes it will handle 1Gbps (DES, AES) IPSec traffic. right?

800Mbit should be possible with IPsec encrypt, if you have many peers.

Thank you Normis for good information.