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So, ah, Cloud Core Router CCR1036 Shipping Date? Please...

Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:23 am

Hi all -

It did not take long at all to outgrow those Axiomtek NA-820s (A.k.a. PowerRouter 732 and clones) with their rather meager packet-handling capabilities. Just upgraded two sites to the NA-510, with much faster Ethernet chipsets and Core i7 processors - a pain with the id'ing and renumbering of disparate interfaces and generally making sure that the in's and out's of everything has ported over correctly.

After being up for just five weeks, had my first crash this morning. Ugh. One thing I've always been able to count on with Mikrotik is stability, now with this latest and allegedly greatest (non-Mikrotik) hardware, I'm not so sure anymore. Rebooted and crossing my fingers...

I suppose I could fall back to an RB1100AHx2, but the CCR1036 - that's my baby. Me want. Having had my share of DDoS pushing the high limits of a GigE uplink and always bringing the router to it's knees, I need that CCR1036 power. 450Kpps is not going to cut it.

So the last I read, the CCR1036 was shipping in Q3 2012. Here we are. Mikrotik - can we have a date? I think I'm the first person to ask... today. I'd just love to get one and pilot it at my local data center to see how it handles.

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Tue Jul 17, 2012 6:39 am

Alternatively this build has worked well for us for the last 2 years ;-)

http://www.reddit.com/r/mikrotik/commen ... ble_build/
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Re: So, ah, Cloud Core Router CCR1036 Shipping Date? Please.

Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:10 am

We are still on track to releasing within Q3
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Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:31 am

We are still on track to releasing within Q3
Make sure to send one over Australia for sponsors of the MUM! :-P
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Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:34 am

Not sure if anyone noticed, the image has been updated to more accurately reflect the actual product: http://routerboard.com/CCR1036-12G-4S
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Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:51 am

Not sure if anyone noticed, the image has been updated to more accurately reflect the actual product: http://routerboard.com/CCR1036-12G-4S
Any hints as to what the LCD screen will be used for or is used for in testing at present?
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Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:58 am

LCD panel will show interface status, traffic graphs, some basic status, and even will be used for basic configuration. It will be possible to protect it with a PIN code.
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Tue Jul 17, 2012 4:54 pm

Alternatively this build has worked well for us for the last 2 years ;-)
http://www.reddit.com/r/mikrotik/commen ... ble_build/
Thanks, but I'm only interested in industrial-grade.
We are still on track to releasing within Q3
Awesome, so no later than end of September - hopefully sooner? When will that date, and pricing, be announced, roughly. Any ideas?
 
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Thu Jul 19, 2012 6:27 am

Alternatively this build has worked well for us for the last 2 years ;-)

http://www.reddit.com/r/mikrotik/commen ... ble_build/
What version of ROS are you running?

Our edge router is running a Supermicro board and a Core i7.

We upgraded to v5 to get support for some Intel fiber cards. The cards work but the OS is unstable. 4.17 and below is rock solid, 5.11 reboots randomly, 5.7 randomly hangs.
 
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Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:41 pm

Our edge router is running a Supermicro board and a Core i7.

We upgraded to v5 to get support for some Intel fiber cards. The cards work but the OS is unstable. 4.17 and below is rock solid, 5.11 reboots randomly, 5.7 randomly hangs.
Currently running a couple of devices on v5.7 with up-times nearing 300days and the next stable we've been using is v5.14.
Probably worth noting that the vast majority of these devices we run ESXi with RouterOS on top of that for backup and administration purposes (alternatively the DRAC works alright but ESXi makes it incredibly easy).
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Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:14 pm

Last month of Q3 is rapidly approaching - how we doin', Mirotik?? :D
 
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Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:25 pm

I'm still curious about the pricing.
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Thu Aug 23, 2012 8:02 am

Any chance there will be a release of "The Dude" to run of this?
 
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Sat Aug 25, 2012 2:43 am

There's been a post from MTik staff recently noting that a new version of The Dude is currently in the works, no idea on the time frame.
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Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:45 pm

According to http://www.mikrotik.com/download/share/du12.pdf the CCR1036 will arrive at the end of September (2012 hopefully ;-) )


F*#$ing s*xy great news!!!! :-)



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Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:57 am

Well, I was looking for CCR1036 and found that one:
http://lanbowan.en.alibaba.com/product/ ... 1036_.html
Delivery Time: 2-4days
- Really?
 
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Sun Sep 09, 2012 4:02 pm

I'm still curious about the pricing.
The TILE64 cpu itself costs $650...
 
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Sun Sep 09, 2012 5:19 pm

It will be very difficulty to get this beast running. It's massive parallel so algorithms have to be changed to use it's capacity. This might affect stability in the first releases...
Hope to see gigabit routing speeds with 64 Byte packets.
 
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Sun Sep 09, 2012 5:45 pm

It will be very difficulty to get this beast running. It's massive parallel so algorithms have to be changed to use it's capacity. This might affect stability in the first releases...
Hope to see gigabit routing speeds with 64 Byte packets.
It will most likely have two cores assigned to each port, basically 16 mini routers in one enclosure.
 
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Fri Sep 21, 2012 5:56 am

21st today..
iphone 5 comes out... and only 9 days left to the end of Q3.

CCR1036 * 3 I have 3Ru of space awaiting your arrival..
 
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Fri Sep 21, 2012 7:24 am

only 6 days until the MUM ...
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Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:03 am

So You're saying Normis that ROS v6 will magically skip from current beta 3 to RC or final within few days? Or You will just show work in progress CCR 1036 with current beta 3 at the MUM?
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Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:04 am

who said CCR doesn't already work with beta3 :) ?
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Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:06 am

I know it works with current beta 3 :) But… will it be final so fast? Previous OS releases took a bunch of time to go final.
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Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:09 am

We try our best. At MUM USA we will have a live demo, where you will be able to personally see actual thoughput running, reaching nearly 16 million packets per second.
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Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:37 am

Yummy!
Have You tested a big amount of simple queues on it already? Let's say 3000-4000 of them? Will it able to manage them?
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Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:52 pm

there where simple queue tests performed. On more details - check upcoming MUM and if you cannot attend check live stream. :)
 
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Fri Sep 21, 2012 3:06 pm

RC1 already available. Please give us a specific date. We dont really want to consider axiomtek products but ... (give us a release date)
 
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Looking forward NO MUM!!! NEED IT INSTANTLY FOR SEVERAL LOCATIONS!
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Tue Sep 25, 2012 1:42 am

I hope that system when runing on CCR-1036 has x64 bit support :-) or not ?
 
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Tue Sep 25, 2012 11:10 am

on 27th September 10:00AM MUM local time will start presentation you do not want to miss.

http://mum.mikrotik.com/2012/US/agenda
 
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Tue Sep 25, 2012 11:22 am

on 27th September 10:00AM MUM local time will start presentation you do not want to miss.

http://mum.mikrotik.com/2012/US/agenda
Already scheduled! It will be 3AM in NZ it better be a good announcement ;)
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I thing recording will become available after the MUM.
 
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I thing recording will become available after the MUM.
I hope so. Let us know when it does. The live feed is pretty useless right now (isn't playing) :(
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Thu Sep 27, 2012 6:28 pm

I thing recording will become available after the MUM.
I hope so. Let us know when it does. The live feed is pretty useless right now (isn't playing) :(
Live feed is completely unwatchable :(
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Thu Sep 27, 2012 6:31 pm

Yeah....I am getting server not found when I try to watch it live.
 
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live stream is totaly dead :(
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Check Greg's blog, he already has a post with info on the new products www.gregsowell.com
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Do we have a price and shipping date yet?
 
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Honzam, are you here? Come and say Hi! :)
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1. Price
2. Availability

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Thu Sep 27, 2012 9:05 pm

Ssss... can't wait to see videos and news after MUM. Price is not important. I believe ofcourse it will be cheaper than Cisco, junifer etc... Most important is release date..... Hope shipping date has announced today
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1. very very competitive price
2. hoping to make it available within next month
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I will pee my pants, I wanto it now! Give me adress of your store, I will overnight there :shock: till will get a piece! I need my CCR 1 immediately!
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Fri Sep 28, 2012 12:15 am

Good ol` MT benchmarking.

A router of this sort isn't just going to loop packets around - How about we see what this thing can do with say 50 mangle rules, A dozen L7 filters along with a global route table?

15mill PPS is nice but my $100 switch can do that and all you've shown us so far is this fancy router being a switch
 
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Fri Sep 28, 2012 12:19 am

I will soon be replacing our edge routers. Hopefully with some cloud core Mikrotiks.

Currently my Riverstone have this:
edge03# system show uptime
System started 2009-06-28 10:19:54
System up 1187 days, 4 hours, 28 minutes, 17 seconds.
edge03#
And my Power Router 732 has this
admin@Level3 Edge Router] /system resource> print
                   uptime: 52w6d13h4m39s
                  version: 5.5
I hope the Cloud Core will be just as reliable. Dual PS would be a good thing too.
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Congratulations Mikrotik.

This looks like it is going to be a great product. The physical design is a huge improvement on previous generations, it looks professional.

Now bring on the model with SFP+ !
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Fri Sep 28, 2012 9:12 am

ok, Normis, now show the router throughput in L3 with 20-40 rules of firewall !!!!
Proove that CCR is more powerfull that ubnt EdgeMax !! )
 
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Honzam, are you here? Come and say Hi! :)
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ok, Normis, now show the router throughput in L3 with 20-40 rules of firewall !!!!
Proove that CCR is more powerfull that ubnt EdgeMax !! )
I too would like to see performance with queues and firewall rules in place.

Not just more powerful. You got to sell this thing. Needs competitive price and performance next to the edgemax.

I still haven't seen price. Was that announced at MUM or not?
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Fri Sep 28, 2012 7:02 pm

What is the price and when is available ?
We need to purchase asap.
 
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Price!?
 
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Fri Sep 28, 2012 11:08 pm

ok, Normis, now show the router throughput in L3 with 20-40 rules of firewall !!!!
Proove that CCR is more powerfull that ubnt EdgeMax !! )
We will definetly post some test results, but we can't compare, as we don't have that other device in our lab.
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Sat Sep 29, 2012 2:00 am

Hello Beccara,
A router of this sort isn't just going to loop packets around - How about we see what this thing can do with say 50 mangle rules, A dozen L7 filters along with a global route table?
What kind of router you are using now that can hit this ccr-1036?
15mill PPS is nice but my $100 switch can do that and all you've shown us so far is this fancy router being a switch
Surely? Please come on good old Beccara, tell us all here around also what kind of $100 Switch does Layer 3 routing, I am very interested in the brand and the performance ;)

@normis
ccr-1036 / 4 GB RAM is also a very fine house number, good to know!!!!! :D

But is their anything inside like a hardware encryption module, ooooor perhaps, only perhaps I mean, an integrated crypto engine to support the speeding of vpn connections?????? :lol:

Something likes LAG support in MikroTik RouterOS vers. 6.5 L6 or
CARP implementation in MikroTik RouterOS Vers. 6.12 L6, I don´t want to bug you here,
but I really only mean to unleash the performance of this beast?
 
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I hope that the version 6 have the stuck staled bgp routes bug fixed. ( since 4.x)
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ok, Normis, now show the router throughput in L3 with 20-40 rules of firewall !!!!
Proove that CCR is more powerfull that ubnt EdgeMax !! )
We will definetly post some test results, but we can't compare, as we don't have that other device in our lab.
Dont need to compare !! just make throughput in L3 from one port to other with 20 firewall rules on router and make aggregated l3 test (bond9 5 port and bond1 other 5 port) and do that test again.
We whant to see how many firewall rules can handle CCR without packet throughput degradation
 
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I hope that the version 6 have the stuck staled bgp routes bug fixed. ( since 4.x)
Yes! please fix this it causes me grief regularly. Its particularly bad if you are using L3VPN/VRF
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Hello Beccara,
15mill PPS is nice but my $100 switch can do that and all you've shown us so far is this fancy router being a switch
Surely? Please come on good old Beccara, tell us all here around also what kind of $100 Switch does Layer 3 routing, I am very interested in the brand and the performance ;)
MT has a habbit of using L2 figures, The RB1100x2 is shown as "This device is our best performance 1U rackmount Gigabit Ethernet router- With a dual core CPU, it can reach up to a million packets per second! "

Yet 1mill can only be reached with bridged/no fw/no contrack AND 64 byte frames - You goto l3 and route and kill 20% of that.

With bridging/no fw/no contrack then the the device isn't a router anymore - It's a switch. In years gone by MT have told clients to turn things off features they were using to get closer to the advertised throughput/pps and wouldn't do tests with a minimal FW/Queue setup on new kit

However this seems to have changed now and we may see some tests done
 
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Sun Sep 30, 2012 5:32 pm

Hi Beccara,

please don´t rant and rave with me, I can´t tell and explain it right, but this is based on my poor English.

How is telling you the slowest throughput based on what ever else, neither counted packets or MBit/s???
Netgear, Cisco, Checkpoint, D-Link, Astaro or Lancom, I mean really who is telling you the exact system specs with one
looking eye on the marketing and one looking eye on the selling rates? Nobody does, but MikroTik is offering you an famous price for their devices and the performance are really fine.
However this seems to have changed now and we may see some tests done
Perhaps you are right and the times needs and efforts are changing and also the hardware should go also this way.
But than better write something like: "Why not using a Intel 2305 Switch chip, for having full wired encryption and 2 GBit/s throughput at each port (full duplex - all 8 adders from the LAN cable will be used)? :D
If critical comments comes beside, without being constructive, it will be not recognised!

Please believe me I am not only telling you and other user, customers and clients to do so, I even also risk a kick or perm ban from this forum by telling those things out and write them down, but I also do this for bringing peoples to think about and on the other side I´ll offer solutions by doing this and this is perhaps the most difference, because I believe in MikroTik and love those devices that are cheap on sell, but on the other side if I wrote something down the most replays are something like: "Oh no Dobby we want only cheap models and devices, but some time later they are running
wild by having trouble with burned capacitors!!!!"

You don´t believe me? Have a look at this please and think about some lines above please:
http://forum.mikrotik.com/posting.php?m ... 6&p=335745 :lol:
 
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Sun Sep 30, 2012 10:46 pm

Hello Dobby, i just buy Juniper ex3200, and i see all specs on juniper web site (including pps, Mbps, and firewall rules), also you can find all specs on cisco site about cisco product, the same with Dlink. But many months we ask Mikrotik about CCR specs (especially about L3 throughput with firewall), and now we can see on youtube throughput 15Mpps only in L2 !! )) But nobody say anything about L3 )
And one more - ubnt post all specs for EdgeMax router in pdf file (Tolly report)
 
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and now we can see on youtube throughput 15Mpps only in L2 !! )) But nobody say anything about L3 )
No, it is not L2, but rather fastpath, i.e. L3 forwarding in HW. The same thing Cisco does in their routers as far as I understand.
 
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and now we can see on youtube throughput 15Mpps only in L2 !! )) But nobody say anything about L3 )
No, it is not L2, but rather fastpath, i.e. L3 forwarding in HW. The same thing Cisco does in their routers as far as I understand.
There will be a limitation to this otherwise there would be no need for MT to claim 8mill PPS normally
 
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PRICE!!!!!????

Normis... Nobody cares about "very competitive"

Give us a range at least. 1000-2000$? 5000-10000$??? Sub 1000$?

Something at least!

Even Ubnt can get this right. They may not be able to deliver products to our hands, but at least we know the price of the empty boxes we want :)
 
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2 andriys - no, its not fastpath. All interfaces in bridge mode, so its only L2 ))
Fastpath in cisco not the same as mikrotik ))

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Hi martini,

sure you can go to every website an have a look at the hardware and also the software (Firmware) and the price
perhaps also. Sure you are right with this.

But why should I begging for something I can´t buy in a real store, for the price and the launch date!
Did you try out this for the iPhone 6 tech specs. ever? What I really mean is, was Apple even showing up some
pictures and some tech specs. before the Device will be able to buy for their customers and launched?
Or does any other company do this for devices you can´t really buy and touch with your fingers?
I think no, they don´t, but if I am right informed at the MUM in Polen this device was shown up by normis and he was asking very loud the whole crowed their in the room: "Any questions about the ccr-1036, no nobody has a question?"
And than he was quitting to speak about the ccr-1036, where was all the peoples who want to know something about?
At the MUM in the USA, this Router was shown for the public a second time, with seeing many smiles on the faces, of customers ans users too!!!! Who is doing this before you can buy this fancy machines?

The most thing for me and myself is that they (MikroTik) where hearing the voice of the customers because they need
SFP ports for a better handling, use and their network connectivity, they did it! This was very important for me!
But you know also I think, crying for something and buying the same thing then after launching are two very different
things!!! MikroTik is a small company with 80 employees and we are during a so called out "world crisis" and the selling
rates in the whole computer industries are stagnating a little bit, but MikroTik the WIFI and WLAN company is
launching a so hard assembled rocket for their customers, so I will even tell them thank you MikroTik.

So if MikroTik is launching this device and I can buy it really in a store, the store will giving me a price rate
and at their website I can see all tech specs. it´ll be enough for me.

So please at last I am a very critical person on the one site, but on the other site I want to stay and be realistic!!!!

Sure if you see the link in one post of mine above you will see I have also some dreams or better called out
a wish list :wink:

But why they should do so and you don´t bring in your idea´s, dreams and wishes, start a poll or your own forum thread, alone or combined with many peoples, for having a bunch of rules for realistic testing criteria for a standard network situation, likes one internet connect, one dmz zone and a lan zone

SPI = netfilter and with the next rule all other rules must use this at first
NAT = NAT rule set

And now you are called to the playground two I was giving you at first where are your rules?

Please start a poll and we will see!
 
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Mon Oct 01, 2012 3:54 am

Hello voxframe,
Even Ubnt can get this right. They may not be able to deliver products to our hands, but at least we know the price of the empty boxes we want
This is right, but they also don´t have a MUM in the USA where they want presenting this device!

And their is another point you should please think about, if MikroTik brings out a device and this is not running well,
but before all people were crying loud out for having a bunch of them (this devices), it´ll be not the best situation for them. What was going on with the RB800 and his daughter boards, all peoples were very impressed and then they are going by a cheaper MikroTik device and go buying a small switch then the daughter boards.
If this goes along with the ccr-1036 I think it´ll be not the best situation for MikroTik, but all peoples were crying for tech specs., pricing and the launch date! For me it´ll be going a golden goal, because MikroTik is now more able to serve the market from the lowest bottom to the highest mid ranged top, with their devices!
 
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Mon Oct 01, 2012 9:52 am

64byte packet-per-second metrics is used only due to one reason - if larger medium (512) or large (1500) packets are used all link is saturated with data and CPU that is processing packets is not loaded at maximum load. as there is no big difference how large is the packet passing through the router.
 
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No, it is not L2, but rather fastpath, i.e. L3 forwarding in HW. The same thing Cisco does in their routers as far as I understand.
There will be a limitation to this otherwise there would be no need for MT to claim 8mill PPS normally
That's for sure, but it is not in any way different then in the other vendors' products.
2 andriys - no, its not fastpath. All interfaces in bridge mode, so its only L2 ))
Fastpath in cisco not the same as mikrotik ))
It is fastpath. At least that's what http://cloudcorerouter.com/ says:
Greater than 8 mpps standard forwarding
Greater than 15 mpps fastpath forwarding
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It is *not* fastpath. Currently fastpath is not implemented. We simply exceeded our own expectations.
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hello normis !!
Answer questions - CCR have ASIC ?? How many firewall rules i can use without throughput degradation in L3 ?? say something ))
 
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hello normis !!
Answer questions - CCR have ASIC ?? How many firewall rules i can use without throughput degradation in L3 ?? say something ))
1) Check tilera CPU specs that was floating around - AFAIK there are no ASICs, but i'm no expert. So similar to rest Mikrotik products configuration will put some load on CPU and reduce max trougput.

2) Mikrotik has been consistant with they benchmarks since early RB400 series, so tests are done exatly the same way for all the boards.
Before top result was 1mil pps for RB1100Ahx2, now CCR can do 15mil pps. in the same test, so CPU porcessing power is 15x faster than Rb1100AHx2,
that for me is impressive.
Combining it with knowledge how much your RB1100Ahx2 can handle in your enviroment you can calculate what CCR will be able to do.
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so, if ASIC is absent, what is fastpath? %)
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Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:46 am

Good ol` MT benchmarking.

A router of this sort isn't just going to loop packets around - How about we see what this thing can do with say 50 mangle rules, A dozen L7 filters along with a global route table?

15mill PPS is nice but my $100 switch can do that and all you've shown us so far is this fancy router being a switch
And the next guy will ask for a test with 78 mangle rules. This is why we have a standard test to evaluate CPU capacity at certain conditions. You can then take your RB1100AHx2, compare results with CCR (roughly 16 times difference) and you can multiply your current setup performance with 16 to get same CCR performance. A new RouterBOARD doesn't have special CPU features to accelerate Mangle more than Routing, therefore all speed is increased by approximately 16 times (or any other amount when comparing to other device).

This is what standards are for!
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Wed Oct 03, 2012 11:22 am

Good ol` MT benchmarking.

A router of this sort isn't just going to loop packets around - How about we see what this thing can do with say 50 mangle rules, A dozen L7 filters along with a global route table?

15mill PPS is nice but my $100 switch can do that and all you've shown us so far is this fancy router being a switch
And the next guy will ask for a test with 78 mangle rules. This is why we have a standard test to evaluate CPU capacity at certain conditions. You can then take your RB1100AHx2, compare results with CCR (roughly 16 times difference) and you can multiply your current setup performance with 16 to get same CCR performance. A new RouterBOARD doesn't have special CPU features to accelerate Mangle more than Routing, therefore all speed is increased by approximately 16 times (or any other amount when comparing to other device).

This is what standards are for!
We simply dont know that tho Normis, You have 36 cores to play with here rather than 2, So you've managed to get shifting packets from one interface to another. Does every other CPU intensive process get threaded to use 36 core's? Will a single PPPoE server be able to handle 200,000 connection because it's threaded enough for 36 cores or will you still have a limit slightly higher than the 1100x2.

Just because the CPU does have any hardware accel doesn't mean it's going to be able to handle 16 times more mangle rules than a 1100x2, Between the RB800,1000,1100,1100x2 and CCR1036 you haven't increased the ability of the board to handle mangle/fw/nat/services on par with the raw throughput and it's been iffy.

This is what standards are for, Create a test harness that uses each of the core features of MT in some way and display the results. Shifting packets at 15mill pps/7+gbit is great but if I have to take a 75% hit on that because of mangle rules not being threaded enough for SMP then there is little point of 36 cores vs 2 cores. The tests you have are great if you're selling a switch but not enough for L3+
 
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Properly dividing tasks between all 36 cores is what most of our v6 development time goes to. What I wrote still stands.
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Properly dividing tasks between all 36 cores is what most of our v6 development time goes to. What I wrote still stands.
MT isn't doing benchmarking right, Pick a whitepaper benchmark by a 3rd party on UBNT,HP,Cisco, Juniper - They all go into much more detail than MT do. You can't just point to one test and say it proves everything else will be x time's faster
 
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Properly dividing tasks between all 36 cores is what most of our v6 development time goes to. What I wrote still stands.
MT isn't doing benchmarking right, Pick a whitepaper benchmark by a 3rd party on UBNT,HP,Cisco, Juniper - They all go into much more detail than MT do. You can't just point to one test and say it proves everything else will be x time's faster
Actually we follow a international standard on testing (defined by RFC2544) and using an industrial standard testing device, which can't be said by some of the ones you mention above.
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Properly dividing tasks between all 36 cores is what most of our v6 development time goes to. What I wrote still stands.
MT isn't doing benchmarking right, Pick a whitepaper benchmark by a 3rd party on UBNT,HP,Cisco, Juniper - They all go into much more detail than MT do. You can't just point to one test and say it proves everything else will be x time's faster
Actually we follow a international standard on testing (defined by RFC2544) and using an industrial standard testing device, which can't be said by some of the ones you mention above.
Again an RFC based around switching packets from port to port, What industrial device are you using? Agilent? - Everyone I quoted are alot more open about their testing than MT has been - Normally it's run by a 3rd party who detail the setup and tests run, Whats being asked isn't difficult and only MT can do it right now.
 
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Switching has nothing to do with our tests, please stop comparing the results to a switch! You can clearly see in the testing tables, which features were used. Routing/Bridging/Firewall etc.
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Switching has nothing to do with our tests, please stop comparing the results to a switch! You can clearly see in the testing tables, which features were used. Routing/Bridging/Firewall etc.
Normis, could you describe how do you perform "firewall on" test? Do you have any mangle rules? How many accept and how many drop rules?
 
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Wed Oct 03, 2012 1:49 pm

Currently we use Agilent and Xena Networks equipment for our Ethernet tests.

Tests are done between CPU attached ports - ether1,ether6,ether11 on RB1100AHx2 and all 16 ports on CCR1036
Devices are configured to send traffic equally from all to all ports. (so  6combinations*20connections=120streams on RB1100AHx2 and  128combinations*1connection=128streams on CCR1036)

firewall ON - /interface bridge settings set use-ip-firewall=yes
Conntrack ON - /ip firewall connection tracking set enable=yes

Connection tracking is one of the most expensive and most commonly used features in RouterOS,
bridging currently has less performance overhead in case almost everything is disabled or not utilized.

So if we go back to our standard testing result table. you can see:

1) raw CPU power on routing and bridging by looking at 64byte packet results without conntrack
2) raw memory capability on routing and bridging by looking at 1518byte packet results without conntrack
3) CPU+memory combined performance on routing and bridging by looking at 512byte packet results without conntrack
4) then you can see how big impact on performance is from enabling connection tracking - bigger impact (in percentage) suggest that more advanced config will have bigger impact on boards performance.

this table if used properly can give you all necessary information about the performance of the board.
IF you go into specific RouterOS feature then it is not about the board, but about the implementation of that specific feature.
As i told you we are working hard to make all the features capable to use full board potential.
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I see a problem with this setup: the most expensive operation for conn track is to find out that a packet does not belong to
any existing connection. Testing with only 120 streams (no new connections?) does not test properly "conn tracking ON" performance.
 
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I see a problem with this setup: the most expensive operation for conn track is to find out that a packet does not belong to
any existing connection. Testing with only 120 streams (no new connections?) does not test properly "conn tracking ON" performance.
Some link to the source of this assumption ,please.

Most traffic generators work with stateless traffic (not TCP). So each packet need to check with conntrack, how it check in the end doesn't really matters. Number of streams can be important in case of multi-core systems, so that they can be balanced on different cores (at least on x86)
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I see a problem with this setup: the most expensive operation for conn track is to find out that a packet does not belong to
any existing connection. Testing with only 120 streams (no new connections?) does not test properly "conn tracking ON" performance.
Some link to the source of this assumption ,please.

Most traffic generators work with stateless traffic (not TCP). So each packet need to check with conntrack, how it check in the end doesn't really matters. Number of streams can be important in case of multi-core systems, so that they can be balanced on different cores (at least on x86)
here you go:
While accessing a bucket is a constant time operation (hence the interest of having a hash of lists), keep in mind that the kernel has to iterate over a linked list to find a conntrack entry. So the average size of a linked list (CONNTRACK_MAX/HASHSIZE in the optimal case when the limit is reached) must not be too big.
 
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Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:32 pm

it is know fact that CONNTRACK_MAX/HASHSIZE in RouterOS is calculated dynamically based on amount of available memory.
Also it is known fact that you need to rebuild your hash if there are entry that is new (new connection - not invalid packet).

Also in real deployments only fraction of time is spent in hash rebuilding.

So i do not see where your "problem with this setup" is - as far as i can see it is combination of easiest and closest to real application test for setups.

i do not understand why everyone is whining about it - just realize what those test shows and use this information to your advantage.
If you have small conntrack timeouts and lot of new connections - just keep in mind - that will result in bigger CPU load.
Anyway those tests are there to compare boards between themselves, to give approximate performance estimate.
So with same new connection intensity RB1100AHx2 and CCR should still relate 1:15 (with same amount of traffic your average CPU load will be ~15 times lower).

I used this tables for transition from RB100/RB500 to RB400/RB400AH and now to RB2011/RB700, and from RB450 to RB1200/RB1100AHx2, these tests helped me a lot in calculations what board i need for upgrade, so in the future i can get necessary throughput.
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it is know fact that CONNTRACK_MAX/HASHSIZE in RouterOS is calculated dynamically based on amount of available memory.
Also it is known fact that you need to rebuild your hash if there are entry that is new (new connection - not invalid packet).

Also in real deployments only fraction of time is spent in hash rebuilding.

So i do not see where your "problem with this setup" is - as far as i can see it is combination of easiest and closest to real application test for setups.

i do not understand why everyone is whining about it - just realize what those test shows and use this information to your advantage.
If you have small conntrack timeouts and lot of new connections - just keep in mind - that will result in bigger CPU load.
Anyway those tests are there to compare boards between themselves, to give approximate performance estimate.
So with same new connection intensity RB1100AHx2 and CCR should still relate 1:15 (with same amount of traffic your average CPU load will be ~15 times lower).

I used this tables for transition from RB100/RB500 to RB400/RB400AH and now to RB2011/RB700, and from RB450 to RB1200/RB1100AHx2, these tests helped my a lot in calculations what board i need for to upgrade, so in the future i can get necessary throughput.
Test conditions were unknown until Normis' post so I don't see how you can tell people how they should interpret the results. Also, I don't see how you can reliably infer performance difference by looking at RB450 and RB1100AHx2 synthetic test results.

I'd argue that the routerboard.com test results are very synthetic and cannot predict router/firewall performance. Adding few accept, drop rules would improve the firewall test, as would varying number of streams to test resource allocation of conn track, PCQ and mangle.
 
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rmichael, this is public information since our first tests were published (many years back). it is below each test.
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Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:10 pm

rmichael - think about those tests same was you think of benchmark test for CPU, Video card, Memory on all those gamer/ overclocker sites. You are just given a "score" in unknown units and then you compare that to other product "score" - biggest "score" wins :). only importance that tests are done in the same way for all products. And if site has allegiance to some specific manufacturer then test sets and way the "score" is calculated may warry to one or other manufacturer (EdgeMax was good example). At routerboard.com you have same manufactuer, so there should be no worries.
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Wed Oct 03, 2012 6:36 pm

Hello,

@normis
Thanks for detailed informations. :)

@macgaiver
Thanks for sharing your personal choice of choosing out an upgrade. :D

@all
Where you buy your new MikroTik hardware? Only online? 8)
You can also make a date with your local MikroTik dealer or distributor
to make some tests, they want to sell this hardware and you can also
see what is going on by your own rule set, ok this needs spending time,
but your are all on the sure side and can see the new device in action!!
 
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Re: So, ah, Cloud Core Router CCR1036 Shipping Date? Please.

Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:00 pm

Currently we use Agilent and Xena Networks equipment for our Ethernet tests.

Tests are done between CPU attached ports - ether1,ether6,ether11 on RB1100AHx2 and all 16 ports on CCR1036
Devices are configured to send traffic equally from all to all ports. (so  6combinations*20connections=120streams on RB1100AHx2 and  128combinations*1connection=128streams on CCR1036)

firewall ON - /interface bridge settings set use-ip-firewall=yes
Conntrack ON - /ip firewall connection tracking set enable=yes

Connection tracking is one of the most expensive and most commonly used features in RouterOS,
bridging currently has less performance overhead in case almost everything is disabled or not utilized.

So if we go back to our standard testing result table. you can see:

1) raw CPU power on routing and bridging by looking at 64byte packet results without conntrack
2) raw memory capability on routing and bridging by looking at 1518byte packet results without conntrack
3) CPU+memory combined performance on routing and bridging by looking at 512byte packet results without conntrack
4) then you can see how big impact on performance is from enabling connection tracking - bigger impact (in percentage) suggest that more advanced config will have bigger impact on boards performance.

this table if used properly can give you all necessary information about the performance of the board.
IF you go into specific RouterOS feature then it is not about the board, but about the implementation of that specific feature.
As i told you we are working hard to make all the features capable to use full board potential.
Thanks for sharing this information. When will the standard throughput test results table be posted for the CCR on routerboard.com? Are you waiting for the v6 to be released?
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Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:32 pm

ok ))
And again PC with core i5-i7 + 4 port intel 82576 ethernet + gigabit switch - the best Router to handle 2-3-4 gigiabit per second with many firewall rules (not more than 100-150).
And if i install on this PC linux or freebsd - i can use hash tables and more than 10000 firewall and queue rules.

Mikrotik - you make a good switch (not router).
Now waiting for ubnt Edgemax ))
 
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Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:57 pm

Hello again martini,

to compare hardware that is not matching the same product and money range is not the very fair!
x86 hardware is x86 hardware and the typical MikroTik hardware is powerful enough and also best in Price.
Only the 4 port Intel nic is at the same price as an RB1100AH x2.
So if you know compare this power to 5 or 6 RB1100AH x2 you will see MikroTik wins. (with multiple internet connections)

If you need, want or wish more, please wait until the ccr-1036 is released.

And with real 80 CPU cores, 768 GB RAM, redundant 2500 watt power supply and three HotLava SFP Controllers your are nearly 12,3 GB/s routing power by using 200 + rules, but also bank rot! :lol:

To compare some devices they should be fairly in the same product class of price and range.
 
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Wed Oct 03, 2012 10:57 pm

Hello Dobby )
I just need to aggregate some traffic, 2-6 Gbps, and drop unwanted ip or ports, and use shapers on it... And now tell me what i need ?? MX80 ?? or ASR1000 ? or CCR ? or PC + linux
I think best way is PC + linux.. On my old 8 core xeon i use about 16000 queue rules, ~3-4 Gbps traffic (4 bonding ethernet) and cpu load 5-10%
Again - if i install mikrotik on that server i get 100% cpu usage and drops.. If i set up CCR for this - i think it cant use 16000 simple queue (or mangle rules for PCQ)

Now tell me - why i need compare routers in one price gategory ??
For what i need to buy CCR ?? for 15 mpps L2 throuthput ? I better buy Dlink DGS-3120 (65 mpps wire speed + 1500 ACL rules) and it cost only 400$
What i can make with CCR that i cant make with PC or whith L2 switch ?
 
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Hello Dobby )
I just need to aggregate some traffic, 2-6 Gbps, and drop unwanted ip or ports, and use shapers on it... And now tell me what i need ?? MX80 ?? or ASR1000 ? or CCR ? or PC + linux
I think best way is PC + linux.. On my old 8 core xeon i use about 16000 queue rules, ~3-4 Gbps traffic (4 bonding ethernet) and cpu load 5-10%
Again - if i install mikrotik on that server i get 100% cpu usage and drops.. If i set up CCR for this - i think it cant use 16000 simple queue (or mangle rules for PCQ)

Now tell me - why i need compare routers in one price gategory ??
For what i need to buy CCR ?? for 15 mpps L2 throuthput ? I better buy Dlink DGS-3120 (65 mpps wire speed + 1500 ACL rules) and it cost only 400$
What i can make with CCR that i cant make with PC or whith L2 switch ?
Did you try also PCQ/mangle/simple queue solution (the proper way to do it), or just created 16000 simple queues in RouterOS v5? :)
Looks like RouterOS v6 will be just for you - simple queue paradise.
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Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:13 am

16000 simple queue (or mangle rules for PCQ)
on routeros i cant use 16000 simple queue ))) I tried to use 16000 mangle rules and PCQ - the same situation ))
But on linux i can use 16000 or even more with hash tables.
 
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Re: So, ah, Cloud Core Router CCR1036 Shipping Date? Please.

Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:14 am

martini, you are doing something wrong. why do you need 16000 rules of any kind? instead of buying 300 horses to pull your load, just use a truck :)

PCQ does not require 16000 rules in any situation. You are approaching your setup from the wrong direction.
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Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:03 pm

normis - we talk about that year or two ago )

7000 customers, 4000 online, queue with traffic priorities for each customer (4 queue per customer), two direction (in and out) ~ 4000 x 4 x 2 = 32000 queue (now i use queue only for download, so 32000/2 ~ 16000 queue)
I whant to buy Ericson Smartedge100 or Juniper MX80, but waiting for CCR with 32 cores.. And now i see that CCR not for me, its just another office switch\router
 
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Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:58 pm

normis - we talk about that year or two ago )

7000 customers, 4000 online, queue with traffic priorities for each customer (4 queue per customer), two direction (in and out) ~ 4000 x 4 x 2 = 32000 queue (now i use queue only for download, so 32000/2 ~ 16000 queue)
I whant to buy Ericson Smartedge100 or Juniper MX80, but waiting for CCR with 32 cores.. And now i see that CCR not for me, its just another office switch\router
Did you try also PCQ/mangle/simple queue solution (the proper way to do it), or just created 16000 simple queues in RouterOS v5?
Looks like RouterOS v6 will be just for you - simple queue paradise.
 
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Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:42 pm

And now i see that CCR not for me, its just another office switch\router
Riiiiiiiight....so what would you call a RB750 then? 9600 Baud Modem?
 
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Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:09 pm

2 dog - yes, RB750 its home router )

2 mrz - and what ?? Tell me how i can create in routeros 4000 queue rules, and create traffic priorities for each users ?? (www, mail,game,torrent). PCQ ? )) - no wuth PCQ you cant do that )
 
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Fri Oct 05, 2012 4:16 am

Hello Beccara,
Again an RFC based around switching packets from port to port, What industrial device are you using? Agilent? - Everyone I quoted are alot more open about their testing than MT has been - Normally it's run by a 3rd party who detail the setup and tests run, Whats being asked isn't difficult and only MT can do it right now.
If you ask nicely a competent side to do this tests, it´ll be help all connected parties:

MikroTik to reflect them self or have a dedicated view over one or two devices!
MikroTik customers can be sure to get real and clear result!
MikroTik home users, likes the customers now what is going on.

Perhaps you ask at Small Net Builders to do so? Why not, they do for many other companies also those tests!
http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/

But what if the MikroTik hardware that was tested there is also not matching your personal criteria!?

Then you are at the same point as you stand now!
 
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Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:42 am

Hello again martini,
I just need to aggregate some traffic, 2-6 Gbps, and drop unwanted ip or ports, and use shapers on it... And now tell me what i need ?? MX80 ?? or ASR1000 ? or CCR ? or PC + linux
Well you are right, but routers with LAG support are in normal conditions are at the price range of 5000 - 7500 € (Euro)
and now tell me and the hole rest here please, what you are able to or you want to pay for a MikroTik device with those system specs.? In normal cases surely I want to give you the tip, you should go the way with a self made Linux device
as a router, but on the other side and related and owed more to the quantity or number of users as you told here:
7000 customers, 4000 online, queue with traffic priorities for each customer
I would to suggest you to use in this special case a BSD based router, related to the instance of CARP, then you are able to balance over an magic (virtual) mac address (like the VRRP´s virtual IP address) the load over more machines and if one fails the next one becomes automatically the master status!!!!
So please accept that I was asking more than one times for the LAG support and also the implamentation of CARP
inside the MikroTik Routers & Switches as one of the really urgent needed two things, that makes this devices more powerful and versatile for all the customers. Perhaps after the launch of the ccr-1036 MikroTik is bringing
more stability in the RouterOS and then we will have some luck at the middle of 2013!
I think best way is PC + linux.. On my old 8 core xeon i use about 16000 queue rules, ~3-4 Gbps traffic (4 bonding ethernet) and cpu load 5-10%
Again - if i install mikrotik on that server i get 100% cpu usage and drops.. If i set up CCR for this - i think it cant use 16000 simple queue (or mangle rules for PCQ)
You only see it from your side and this is still making me angry, because if there more parties are in the "game"
you forget the other side and this is MikroTik!!!!!!! it is pure not fair in my eyes, this is all.
I see it so, that MikroTik is offering after the launch of the ccr-1036, are able to serve the whole market from the lowest bottom to the mid ranged highest top with router devices, we all can buy and use. And as an extra gift they offer also their system as an x86 version for peoples who have or want to build their own router based on the hardware they wish to use!

- Sure with 80 employees it is not so easy to serve the whole world and we all know this.
- Nobody is pressing you to use their devices!
- Surely I also wish me some things go better or smoother for us all, but I start a poll or thread peoples can tell their mind open their.
http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=65986
http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=66090
Now tell me - why i need compare routers in one price gategory ??
It is free for you to decide what you are running and using! But to compare things, they should be even in the same price class and range, to get a closer look on. Or do you compare apples with pears?
For what i need to buy CCR ?? for 15 mpps L2 throuthput ?
If you don´t need, don´t buy it!
I better buy Dlink DGS-3120 (65 mpps wire speed + 1500 ACL rules) and it cost only 400$
No this is not a good idea, please have a look over the DGS-1500-xx series they are working fine with all of my Mikrotik Routers, much better please trust me. But why you are starting it again, to compare the incomparable?
A router is a Router and a Switch is a Switch. Point not more and not less.
What i can make with CCR that i cant make with PC or whith L2 switch ?
Over many years or over a long time many customers wishes a powerful Router with SFP ports to have a better connect to their servers, switches and other appliances and know MikroTik brings even out this wanted hardware and you are
asking why to use or to buy it. If you don´t need it, then it was not made for you.

At last also some words from me at another point, even all peoples wish something, then MikroTik delivers this and then many peoples are going by the older hardware because of the price!!! This is really awesome, hey did the most of yours even thing about that you can´t drive a new Mercedes 600 AMG for less then 1000 dollars? Sure all peoples know this
and in other circles there is no talk about, but here in the MikroTik forum I will see even the same story, most efford and power for some coins only, this was never working and this should never really working in my poor mind.
Paying a Fiat 500, but needing the speed of a Porsche Cayenne and the power of a Catapillar shovel bagger is unrealistic
to call the child at his real name.
I whant to buy Ericson Smartedge100 or Juniper MX80, but waiting for CCR with 32 cores.. And now i see that CCR not for me, its just another office switch\router
So ok now you know this device is perhaps not for you, ok what you are thinking? We are all have the same situation one or two times a year also likes you, it is really not fine, but even those situations are coming and going! thumb up
martini! I don´t want to kidding you but hey if we all get our favourite device from MikroTik, there must working more than 5000 employees!!!!

Next year my company is thinking about new switches for a bigger client and we are looking forward to buy two starter kits from Netgear (XSM96PSKT + XSM96GSKT + Layer 3 licences for the XSM7224S) for something around 23.000 €
but please trust me I would never compare switches with routers, because both have an absolutely other job to do!
 
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Fri Oct 05, 2012 12:02 pm

Believe me the there is a very thin line between switches and routers these days. I know an ISP who has around 25000 users and using a Cisco 4900 Switch as a core router for all his network. Bandwidth limiting, firewall ACL, OSPF, BGP and WCCP all in a single switch and it is wire speed.
 
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Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:35 pm

Dobby , i know about BSD, Carp, VRRP and others.. i dont need advice what to do whith my network )) It working goog and i prefer to use L3 switches , not routers (like doush said).
but routers with LAG support are in normal conditions are at the price range of 5000 - 7500 € (Euro)
what routers ?? Server with 1 or 2 xeon + 1 or 2 intel ET cards ?? it cost about 1500$


When we first see the CCR - mikrotik says that this is atomic bomb )) many PPS, many Gbps, all you dreams in one box )
But now we see that CCR is another office swith\router (the same thing was with RB1100, 1200, 1100x2)
Many years mikrotik know about ROS poor performance with firewall, but today situation same like 4 year ago.. Why mikrotik dont implement HASH tables in ROS ?? why do not use ASIC ? WHY do not use normal drivers for intel ethernet cards ??? !!! Many years i ask about that.. And what now ?
I love mikrotik, i like ROS , i use it for many years (10+) i have more than 500 routers..

But internet speed dont slow down, every year internet tariffs for users increases, and i whant to use mikrotik product on all network (not just for wi-fi clients).
No this is not a good idea, please have a look over the DGS-1500-xx series they are working fine with all of my Mikrotik Routers, much better please trust me. But why you are starting it again, to compare the incomparable?
)))) Do you see specs on DGS-1500 ?? Its a smrt switch with hash problems in CPU and small buffer for packets. If you sen 900Mb multicast traffic throw this device - you see drops on ports an error in multicast.
 
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Re: So, ah, Cloud Core Router CCR1036 Shipping Date? Please.

Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:38 pm

But now we see that CCR is another
sorry but how do you see that "now"? we have not published any performance tests or other new specifications. how do you know that it is not more powerful in all areas than your category Cisco? on what data you base your assumption?
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Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:17 pm

You can then take your RB1100AHx2, compare results with CCR (roughly 16 times difference) and you can multiply your current setup performance with 16 to get same CCR performance. A new RouterBOARD doesn't have special CPU features to accelerate Mangle more than Routing, therefore all speed is increased by approximately 16 times (or any other amount when comparing to other device).
 
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Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:30 pm

But now we see that CCR is another
sorry but how do you see that "now"? we have not published any performance tests or other new specifications. how do you know that it is not more powerful in all areas than your category Cisco? on what data you base your assumption?
This thread is getting out of control. The topic here is ship date.

@martini If you have determined this product isn't for you, why are you still posting to this thread?

@normis When will we have published test results? When will we have pricing? When will the product ship so we can see it for ourselves with individual use cases? (estimates are fine)
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Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:57 pm

Hi guys. What you are talking about.

When MT says it is buyable it is buyable. Guess what: They want to sell it. So they will anounce it.
Talking about a product without actually having it tested by yourself is guesswork.
 
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Fri Oct 05, 2012 7:53 pm

Talking about a product without actually having it tested by yourself is guesswork.
Exactly.

This is just getting to be a bitch fest. Complaining about what you "think" a product will and wont do.

Someone should close this thread.
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This is just getting to be a bitch fest. Complaining about what you "think" a product will and wont do.

Someone should close this thread.
Agree. It seems to have become a hive of unfounded negativity
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Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:16 am

My 5 cents. If there were any good information or stats available on or around the date it was released OR made available to public

And im talking something more than a random Youtube video it would cut down the negativity, grow up , just because someone is negative dont mean you need to put them in the naughty corner and forget about them.

Im not a sales man but i know that would be an insane amount of waste in sales of you ignore those people.

Most us are technitions so, we see things from a different angle. thats why half of you get the issues in this thread that's why the other half dont.

So ill say it again if They released proper information around the release to the public was made it would have solved so many issues
I do feel like it was a massive tease, omg 36 cores holy cow OOOOMMMMMGOOOOODDD!!!

wtf... mikrotik i love your products been using them for a long time, but dam man... act professional.... I would say most of as work for company's that require us to be professional, give them what they need, and no I dont mean a comparison sheet, you find it in your best effort to give what these guys are looking for, so what if some guy wants 10 million pcq queues, i dont give two flying cats.
he just wants a bench mark on where abouts the router will start to break.... stop being argumentative gee cat wiz!

Ya all need to probably clarify that that all of us are here about the product that may make our little networks into something very awsome, stop teasing them give them the facts, they want to know what its capable of.

I would personaly like someone to answer finally the question how does the router handle an ipsec tunnel does it handle 1gbs?
i have a 2011UAS if i start a ipsec tunnel and do btest it bogs down to about 10mb/s roughly with the router doing the btest.

what can CCR do.... does it hand off any ipsec load to 1 cpu and ethernet and other functions to other cpu?
 
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Sat Oct 06, 2012 8:08 am

My 5 cents. If there were any good information or stats available on or around the date it was released OR made available to public

And im talking something more than a random Youtube video it would cut down the negativity, grow up , just because someone is negative dont mean you need to put them in the naughty corner and forget about them.

Im not a sales man but i know that would be an insane amount of waste in sales of you ignore those people.

Most us are technitions so, we see things from a different angle. thats why half of you get the issues in this thread that's why the other half dont.

So ill say it again if They released proper information around the release to the public was made it would have solved so many issues
I do feel like it was a massive tease, omg 36 cores holy cow OOOOMMMMMGOOOOODDD!!!

wtf... mikrotik i love your products been using them for a long time, but dam man... act professional.... I would say most of as work for company's that require us to be professional, give them what they need, and no I dont mean a comparison sheet, you find it in your best effort to give what these guys are looking for, so what if some guy wants 10 million pcq queues, i dont give two flying cats.
he just wants a bench mark on where abouts the router will start to break.... stop being argumentative gee cat wiz!

Ya all need to probably clarify that that all of us are here about the product that may make our little networks into something very awsome, stop teasing them give them the facts, they want to know what its capable of.

I would personaly like someone to answer finally the question how does the router handle an ipsec tunnel does it handle 1gbs?
i have a 2011UAS if i start a ipsec tunnel and do btest it bogs down to about 10mb/s roughly with the router doing the btest.

what can CCR do.... does it hand off any ipsec load to 1 cpu and ethernet and other functions to other cpu?
All professional people order one piece of CCR, put it to the lab and test what it can do and wether it is stable at all. We've seen too many vendor announcements ... we trust in our lab.
So what the heck is this discussion about. Wait until it is there, if you cant wait buy something other,
when it is there buy one. MT pricing allows to drop a testunit if it does not what you want.
 
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Sat Oct 06, 2012 12:34 pm

I think that any tests would be hard to perform since ros6 rc1 is really not able to show its true potential. Until real release we just have to wait.
 
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Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:22 am

Currently we use Agilent and Xena Networks equipment for our Ethernet tests.

Tests are done between CPU attached ports - ether1,ether6,ether11 on RB1100AHx2 and all 16 ports on CCR1036
Devices are configured to send traffic equally from all to all ports. (so  6combinations*20connections=120streams on RB1100AHx2 and  128combinations*1connection=128streams on CCR1036)

firewall ON - /interface bridge settings set use-ip-firewall=yes
Conntrack ON - /ip firewall connection tracking set enable=yes

Connection tracking is one of the most expensive and most commonly used features in RouterOS,
bridging currently has less performance overhead in case almost everything is disabled or not utilized.

So if we go back to our standard testing result table. you can see:

1) raw CPU power on routing and bridging by looking at 64byte packet results without conntrack
2) raw memory capability on routing and bridging by looking at 1518byte packet results without conntrack
3) CPU+memory combined performance on routing and bridging by looking at 512byte packet results without conntrack
4) then you can see how big impact on performance is from enabling connection tracking - bigger impact (in percentage) suggest that more advanced config will have bigger impact on boards performance.

this table if used properly can give you all necessary information about the performance of the board.
IF you go into specific RouterOS feature then it is not about the board, but about the implementation of that specific feature.
As i told you we are working hard to make all the features capable to use full board potential.
Thanks for the extra info normis.

A while back I tried to reproduce the performance number for my RB1200 and couldn't. I tried both an Ixia and Xena testers. What duration do you use? The rfc suggests at least 60 seconds per packet size, however the Xena seems to default to 1 second. On the Xena rfc2544 spreadsheet there are both loss and throughput test (loss being just count packets that make it regardless of how many drop, while throughput seeks to find a zero loss rate). Which test are you using for your numbers? I do get close to your loss numbers, so I assume that's what is reported.

Anyway, buying a router just base on a performance number is silly, but I'm curious to how the tests are run.

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