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Re: CLOUD CORE ROUTER

Mon Feb 03, 2014 4:16 pm

ROS 6.9
What about effective distribution of the load between the processor cores?

just 80 Mbit/s L2TP, NAT and Queu tree with 20 rules server on CCR1036-12G-4S
Queue Tree is NOT Multi-thread/Multi-Core optimized yet so performance will be limited to a single core(tile) on the CCR routers. This is likely what you are experiencing.

Mikrotik have indicated this is the next thing that will get optimized once PPP optimizations are finished.
Yes, Queu tree slows all perfomance of router - when i disable it, bandwidth increase dramaticaly.

what advise for optimise Queu tree?
 
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Re: CLOUD CORE ROUTER

Mon Feb 03, 2014 6:57 pm

CPU AVG load sctipt for monitorring (For example zabbix "simple check").
#!/bin/bash
IP="172.16.хх.хх"
OID=".1.3.6.1.2.1.25.3.3.1.2"
snmpwalk -v2c -c public -On $IP $OID | awk '{ print($4) }' | awk 'BEGIN{sum=0}{sum+=$1}END{print int(sum/36)}' 
This is for 36core ccr router.
Thanks for user kww from ukraine for this script!
I hope this script is usefull for someone. This post is answer to my upper post in this thread.

staslabs I have CCR-36core-EM+. ROS 6.3. 2-BGP Full peers. Nat with ~400external + 10.000 internal ip's. With 120+kpps. Avg load is 20-25 (CPU is slowled to 600mhz). And i seen same picture. Sometimes some core's are heavy loaded (80-90%) but other idle. But all works perfectly! No freeze, and good ping.
 
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Re: CLOUD CORE ROUTER

Mon Feb 03, 2014 8:43 pm

ROS 6.9
What about effective distribution of the load between the processor cores?

just 80 Mbit/s L2TP, NAT and Queu tree with 20 rules server on CCR1036-12G-4S
Queue Tree is NOT Multi-thread/Multi-Core optimized yet so performance will be limited to a single core(tile) on the CCR routers. This is likely what you are experiencing.

Mikrotik have indicated this is the next thing that will get optimized once PPP optimizations are finished.
Yes, Queu tree slows all perfomance of router - when i disable it, bandwidth increase dramaticaly.

what advise for optimise Queu tree?

After disable Qeue Tree and start using Simple Queu bandwidth perfomance of router was increase, and CPU used now:

[admin@border] /system resource cpu> pr
# CPU LOAD IRQ DISK
0 cpu0 2% 2% 0%
1 cpu1 3% 3% 0%
2 cpu2 6% 0% 0%
3 cpu3 2% 2% 0%
4 cpu4 3% 2% 0%
5 cpu5 4% 4% 0%
6 cpu6 0% 0% 0%
7 cpu7 1% 1% 0%
8 cpu8 2% 2% 0%
9 cpu9 3% 2% 0%
10 cpu10 0% 0% 0%
11 cpu11 1% 1% 0%
12 cpu12 0% 0% 0%
13 cpu13 29% 26% 0%
14 cpu14 0% 0% 0%
15 cpu15 2% 0% 0%
16 cpu16 8% 6% 0%
17 cpu17 2% 2% 0%
18 cpu18 2% 1% 0%
19 cpu19 2% 2% 0%
20 cpu20 0% 0% 0%
21 cpu21 1% 0% 0%
22 cpu22 2% 0% 0%
23 cpu23 0% 0% 0%
24 cpu24 41% 1% 0%
25 cpu25 1% 0% 0%
26 cpu26 1% 1% 0%
27 cpu27 2% 2% 0%
28 cpu28 0% 0% 0%
29 cpu29 1% 0% 0%
30 cpu30 3% 1% 0%
31 cpu31 43% 42% 0%
32 cpu32 4% 3% 0%
33 cpu33 0% 0% 0%
34 cpu34 0% 0% 0%
35 cpu35 5% 4% 0%


It is evident that the majority of processor cores again do nothing while three cores perform the work. Question - for what are we paying money?
 
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Re: CLOUD CORE ROUTER

Mon Feb 03, 2014 10:44 pm

It is evident that the majority of processor cores again do nothing while three cores perform the work. Question - for what are we paying money?
Mikrotik have not hidden the fact that Queue Trees are not yet optimized on CCR. I am sure they will fix this as soon as they have resource.
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Re: CLOUD CORE ROUTER

Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:23 am

It is evident that the majority of processor cores again do nothing while three cores perform the work. Question - for what are we paying money?
Mikrotik have not hidden the fact that Queue Trees are not yet optimized on CCR. I am sure they will fix this as soon as they have resource.
I also have queue tree issue. As support suggested I`m avoiding to use queue tree while MT improves optimization. At the moment, I`m using an other CCR instead of queue tree. I believe queue tree and majority functions will be optimized on CCR soon.
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Re: CLOUD CORE ROUTER

Tue Feb 04, 2014 11:54 am

CCR1036-12G-4S-EM, default config, after upgrade to 6.9, yellow LED's near empty SFP slots blinks all together in different intervals like sending morse code. Is that some new feature?
"system leds disable [find]" shut them off, but this is not resolution.
"system leds enable [find]" start all over again ...

And why those SFP LED's must be that bright? Every time, I look directly to CCR, I am blinded.

EDIT:
took it apart, and put pieces of red tape over the LED's, now it is much tolerable. They still blinking though ...

EDIT2:
I discovered, that when ETH1 is disconnected (cable removed), they stop blinking. What a hell that means?
 
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Re: CLOUD CORE ROUTER

Tue Feb 04, 2014 2:02 pm

Hi

6.7 -> 6.9 DDM info is gone in SFP interface (only wavelenght is present, temperature, tx rx power , bias, voltage all gone) CCR 1036-8G-2S, finisar sfp

All the DDM info was present in 6.7...

Did somebody else observe this "feature" ?
 
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Re: CLOUD CORE ROUTER

Tue Feb 04, 2014 2:05 pm

CCR1036-12G-4S-EM, default config, after upgrade to 6.9, yellow LED's near empty SFP slots blinks all together in different intervals like sending morse code. Is that some new feature?
"system leds disable [find]" shut them off, but this is not resolution.
"system leds enable [find]" start all over again ...

And why those SFP LED's must be that bright? Every time, I look directly to CCR, I am blinded.
You can fix this problem by applying configuration example from container below. This problem occurred due to rare bug that corrupted led configuration, we already made changes in ROS to prevent such thing happening in future release versions.
/system leds
set 0 disabled=no interface=sfp1 leds=eth0-led type=interface-activity
set 1 disabled=no interface=sfp2 leds=eth1-led type=interface-activity
set 2 disabled=no interface=sfp3 leds=eth2-led type=interface-activity
set 3 disabled=no interface=sfp4 leds=eth3-led type=interface-activity
 
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Re: CLOUD CORE ROUTER

Tue Feb 04, 2014 2:19 pm

You can fix this problem by applying configuration example from container below. This problem occurred due to rare bug that corrupted led configuration, we already made changes in ROS to prevent such thing happening in future release versions.
/system leds
set 0 disabled=no interface=sfp1 leds=eth0-led type=interface-activity
set 1 disabled=no interface=sfp2 leds=eth1-led type=interface-activity
set 2 disabled=no interface=sfp3 leds=eth2-led type=interface-activity
set 3 disabled=no interface=sfp4 leds=eth3-led type=interface-activity
I pasted your code in the console, but this do not fixing the problem. Now all SFP LED's are lit all the time.

EDIT:
apparently type=interface-status will normalize those LED's.
That type=interface-activity thing is probably another bug.
All this is not very encouraging to use that router as a border gateway ... I mean if MT cant configure LED's right, what else might be wrong there ...
 
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Re: CLOUD CORE ROUTER

Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:05 pm

Works fine for me!!! Thanks.
I needed to reboot the switch at the end.
 
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Re: CLOUD CORE ROUTER

Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:48 pm

@netmaster
whats your firmware version? mine solved by upgrading firmware to 3.10
 
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Re: CLOUD CORE ROUTER

Wed Feb 05, 2014 10:22 am

@netmaster
whats your firmware version? mine solved by upgrading firmware to 3.10
I am not entirely sure how, but after upgrade brand new CCR from 6.1 to 6.9, current-firmware and upgrade-firmware was the same 3.10. Just in case I did fw upgrade, but this did not change anything. However, my other CCR with 6.3 shows version 3.09 firmware. Now I am not sure, did the new CCR somehow upgrade itself automatically to 3.10, did I upgrade it and do not remember this, was it 3.10 before, or is it another bug to show incorrect version. Anyway, if I started to investigate the problem, it was already 3.10.
 
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Re: CLOUD CORE ROUTER

Thu Feb 06, 2014 11:14 am

CCR 10-16 ver 6.9 all 100% Well done Mikrotik.
 
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Re: CLOUD CORE ROUTER

Fri Feb 07, 2014 9:26 am

Hi MT

We have updated or CCR to 6.9 and we are still seeing port flapping, any changes to a Ethernet interface will cause the router to crash and only a hard power off and on will bring it back.

Also there is still a issue with Ethernet TCP through put, we still can not use our 100mb leased line to the max due to this issue.

Adrian
 
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Re: CLOUD CORE ROUTER

Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:56 pm

we home some ccr with 6.9 - all ok
CCR 10-16 ver 6.9 all 100% Well done Mikrotik.
 
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Re: CLOUD CORE ROUTER

Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:21 pm

Currently CCR1036 and CCR1016, both ROS v.6.9, so far so good.

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Re: CLOUD CORE ROUTER

Sat Feb 08, 2014 2:20 pm

Currently CCR1036 and CCR1016, both ROS v.6.9, so far so good.

Regards,
What are the features that you are using now?

I have a CCR1036 using for BGP( 3 x full route, around 20 neighbours) , IP Filter, vLAN, VRRP, Netflow, IPv6, SNMP. sometime it just hang for couple seconds and back to normal. Want to see if this resolve the issue.

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Re: CLOUD CORE ROUTER

Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:39 am

Does anyone have a definitive list of items that will disable fastpath routing on the CCR ?
 
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Re: CLOUD CORE ROUTER

Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:15 pm

I had it for the second time in 2 months that the ccr stops to advertise IPv6 prefixes with bgp. The only thing that helps is to stop all IPv6 addresses and enable them again, is this a known bug?

running V6.7 with 2 IPv4 and 2 IPv6 peers (full table).
 
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Re: CLOUD CORE ROUTER

Tue Feb 11, 2014 11:52 am

Hi! CCR1036-12G-4S os. ver 6.7

I have problem with Serial port. When I want to set baud-rate=2400 i get message: "failure: specified port speed is not supported on this port"
Can someone resolve my problem? This speed using most older apc ups.
 
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Re: CLOUD CORE ROUTER

Mon Feb 17, 2014 9:45 pm

Dear support mikrotik, please pay attention to this issue - http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php ... 95#p409734
Ticket #2014021766000422
The fact that the traffic on my CCR1036 increased to 700-800 Mbps, and the packet loss began. I gave a detailed description of the scheme of testing.
At the same RB800 performance testing UDP packets of 64-750 bytes is much higher than the CCR
 
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Re: CLOUD CORE ROUTER

Sun Feb 23, 2014 9:12 am

Any chance to get NTP server on CCR 1036the dual sfp+ one
 
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Re: CLOUD CORE ROUTER

Tue Feb 25, 2014 5:59 am

Hi MT

We have updated or CCR to 6.9 and we are still seeing port flapping, any changes to a Ethernet interface will cause the router to crash and only a hard power off and on will bring it back.

Also there is still a issue with Ethernet TCP through put, we still can not use our 100mb leased line to the max due to this issue.

Adrian
I believe that I am also having a "port flapping issue". I can't find a definition, but my log files show my symptom...

feb/22 01:04:07 interface,info ether11-WAN to 3Mile link down
feb/22 01:04:09 interface,info ether11-WAN to 3Mile link up (speed 1000M, full duplex)
feb/22 10:18:43 interface,info ether11-WAN to 3Mile link down
feb/22 10:18:45 interface,info ether11-WAN to 3Mile link up (speed 1000M, full duplex)
feb/22 13:42:32 interface,info ether11-WAN to 3Mile link down
feb/22 13:42:33 interface,info ether11-WAN to 3Mile link up (speed 1000M, full duplex)

This is with Tile 6.10...

Are you seeing something similar?

Mikrotik is telling me that it is a software issue and not hardware. I am patiently awaiting a fix!
 
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Re: CLOUD CORE ROUTER

Tue Feb 25, 2014 9:33 pm

Hello!

Could you help me with SSL offload? I plans install http reverse prosy for SSL offload (I know, Tilera CPU supports it on very big speeds) on CCR with Router OS.
 
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Re: CLOUD CORE ROUTER

Wed Feb 26, 2014 12:02 pm

what advise for optimise Queu tree?
Perhaps sometimes in the future an device behind the
CCR-10xx, but also sorted with Tilera many Core CPU
and many ECC RAM so called a "Queue handler" where
all your Queues will be externally stored and this device
is only for the Queues handling!
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Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:49 pm

Could you help me with SSL offload? I plans install http reverse prosy for SSL offload (I know, Tilera CPU supports it on very big speeds) on CCR with Router OS.
This is an interesting question. The Tilera CPU supports key-exchange (RSA, etc.) acceleration, which is the most expensive part of a SSL handshake - the actual encryption of the data itself after key exchange has been done is not that CPU intensive anymore. But if you have a high session rate and lots of threads (CPUs), this could speed up things.

As far as I know, RouterOS doesn't support such functions, but - if it would be possible to boot some kind of plain Linux on the box and if a engine plugin for OpenSSL were available, you cold theoretically do such things.

Question: Has anyone already booted a plain Linux on a CCR and if yes - how? I think that with stud, varnish and haproxy the CCR would surely make a decent HTTP load balancer and accelerator.
 
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Re: CLOUD CORE ROUTER

Thu Feb 27, 2014 12:15 am

The fact that the traffic on my CCR1036 increased to 700-800 Mbps, and the packet loss began. I gave a detailed description of the scheme of testing.
At the same RB800 performance testing UDP packets of 64-750 bytes is much higher than the CCR
This is not able to practice! I mean the comparing of two different hardware architectures
and therefore the RouterOS for the CCR is not total finished up, but for the RB800 it is.
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Re: CLOUD CORE ROUTER

Thu Feb 27, 2014 12:41 am

Hello!
Could you help me with SSL offload? I plans install http reverse prosy for SSL offload (I know, Tilera CPU supports it on very big speeds) on CCR with Router OS.
This is right, but this function must also be inserted first in RouterOS, that we all are able
to use it! The Tilera hardware given tech specs are not matching 1 : 1 to the RouterOS
capabilities, but more then this given functions or options must be inserted inside of
the RouterOS system by MikroTik coders (code writers)

This is an interesting question. The Tilera CPU supports key-exchange (RSA, etc.) acceleration, which is the most expensive part of a SSL handshake
This is not true, sorry! The Tilera platform used by MikroTik to build the CCR series
is owning one or two units if the high speed encryption engine so called "MiCA" (at this point
I want say tank you MikroTik for choosing this variant) and this MiCA is taking any data out
directly from the RAM for doing the encrypting or decrypting work that means the entire or
whole crypto work is done outside of the Tilera many Core CPU!!! But, that we are all able to
use this as a function or option or so called feature, MikroTik must write code that is using this
MiCA encryption engine for taking the entire load from the CPU, but if this is done the CCR
series could be also used as a fine VPN concentrator as well.

- the actual encryption of the data itself after key exchange has been done is not that CPU intensive anymore. But if you have a high session rate and lots of threads (CPUs), this could speed up things.
The Tilera CPU cores (tiny cpus) are only used for two real things
- WAN interface
- or for the OS on the Tilera system like MikroTik RouterOS
As an example:
MikroTik CCR1036 = 36 cores
- 16 core for the WAN interface
- 20 cores for the entire system called RouterOS
And all the cryto workload will be done outside of the CPU natively inside of the
one or two MiCA engines.

As far as I know, RouterOS doesn't support such functions, but - if it would be possible to boot some kind of plain Linux on the box and if a engine plugin for OpenSSL were available, you cold theoretically do such things.
Why booting a second system or pre boot system?
And by the way the Linux must be compiled for the Tilera platform it selfs
otherwise the code will not be executed on this machine!

Question: Has anyone already booted a plain Linux on a CCR and if yes - how?
No one is able to do so, or your are owning a Tilera SDK and you have an account
to the over 2500 pre compiled code packets (.rpm) from the Tilera company and also
perhaps a compiler that matches the Tilera platform.

I think that with stud, varnish and haproxy the CCR would surely make a decent HTTP load balancer and accelerator.
Then I wish for my self and all others an extra LAN port either SFP, SFP+ or copper based
for setting up two or more routers to build a router cluster with ARP balance over CARP
so that the whole load will be balanced over many routers, but this depends on the own wishes
mostly.
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Thu Feb 27, 2014 7:46 am

Could you help me with SSL offload? I plans install http reverse prosy for SSL offload (I know, Tilera CPU supports it on very big speeds) on CCR with Router OS.
This is an interesting question. The Tilera CPU supports key-exchange (RSA, etc.) acceleration, which is the most expensive part of a SSL handshake - the actual encryption of the data itself after key exchange has been done is not that CPU intensive anymore. But if you have a high session rate and lots of threads (CPUs), this could speed up things.

As far as I know, RouterOS doesn't support such functions, but - if it would be possible to boot some kind of plain Linux on the box and if a engine plugin for OpenSSL were available, you cold theoretically do such things.

Question: Has anyone already booted a plain Linux on a CCR and if yes - how? I think that with stud, varnish and haproxy the CCR would surely make a decent HTTP load balancer and accelerator.
Hello!

I'm agree with you! CCR platform is excellent choice for reverse proxy with SSL accelerating ability

Tilera architecture is fully supported by Linux since 2.6.36 version and has number of developer tools for development on it: http://www.tilera.com/scm/

The main problem is ability to load custom Linux on CCR but I'm really sure it's possible because Microtik use open source tools. Do you know about Linux kernel version used in CCR? Is it possible got raw linux shell on Microtik CCR?
 
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Fri Feb 28, 2014 12:39 am

This is not true, sorry! The Tilera platform used by MikroTik to build the CCR series is owning one or two units if the high speed encryption engine so called "MiCA" (at this point I want say tank you MikroTik for choosing this variant) and this MiCA is taking any data out directly from the RAM for doing the encrypting or decrypting work that means the entire or whole crypto work is done outside of the Tilera many Core CPU!!! But, that we are all able to use this as a function or option or so called feature, MikroTik must write code that is using this MiCA encryption engine for taking the entire load from the CPU, but if this is done the CCR series could be also used as a fine VPN concentrator as well.
Ok, if there are only one or two engines per CPU and not one per core, that's a point. I just flew over the specs at http://www.tilera.com/sites/default/fil ... 02_web.pdf

And - AFAIK - RouterOS utilizes the engine since v6.8 (don't know if full or only in parts), it is mentioned somewhere in the changelog.
Why booting a second system or pre boot system? And by the way the Linux must be compiled for the Tilera platform it selfs otherwise the code will not be executed on this machine!
[...]
No one is able to do so, or your are owning a Tilera SDK and you have an account to the over 2500 pre compiled code packets (.rpm) from the Tilera company and also perhaps a compiler that matches the Tilera platform.
Why? Creative usage of technology :D.
Of course the whole environent must be compiled for tilegx. But It might be possible, all the neccessary tools should be publicly available at http://www.tilera.com/scm/ if not already present in recent versions of binutils and gcc. I don't know if you need anything further from Tilera.

I think that with stud, varnish and haproxy the CCR would surely make a decent HTTP load balancer and accelerator.
Then I wish for my self and all others an extra LAN port either SFP, SFP+ or copper based for setting up two or more routers to build a router cluster with ARP balance over CARP so that the whole load will be balanced over many routers, but this depends on the own wishes mostly.
True, the whole point of all this is just messing around and wondering what might be possible. Nothing really serious in particular. I just love this hardware :D
 
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Fri Feb 28, 2014 2:56 am

And - AFAIK - RouterOS utilizes the engine since v6.8 (don't know if full or only in parts), it is mentioned somewhere in the changelog.
Surely they do, but we are talking here about two different parts of the entire SoC.
One is the many Core CPU and one is the encryption engine.
Ok, if there are only one or two engines per CPU and not one per core, that's a point.
Please watch out in the attached picture on the coners on the left site
(upper left and bottom left corner) for a blue rectangle named MiCA.
So you will be able to see that this one (Tile Gx36) owns two MiCA engines,
the 9 and 16 core variants are only comes sorted with one of them and the
engine is taking the data directly from the RAM to the MiCA not through the
Tile Gx many core CPU.
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Re: CLOUD CORE ROUTER

Fri Feb 28, 2014 11:11 am

Just got on my CCR1036 stopped working vlan. Stopped going traffic on some Vlan. Helped rebut. ROS v6.10
 
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Fri Feb 28, 2014 11:57 am

Dear All,

I have purchased CCR 1016, but it is not working properly i.e., bandwidth not controlling for hotspot users and also icmp rules are not working.

Can anybody help me out this issue.


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Fri Feb 28, 2014 1:44 pm

Just got on my CCR1036 stopped working vlan. Stopped going traffic on some Vlan. Helped rebut. ROS v6.10
How do I tired of all ..
In version 6.7 and worked 2 months of uptime.
ROS 6.10 - disappointing.
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Re: CLOUD CORE ROUTER

Wed Mar 05, 2014 7:57 am

Looking to understand the impact of the Firewall on high speed routing on a CCR. The benchmark's refer to 25 rules, I assume they are "passing" rules rather than blocks? Ie the traffic is being checked 25 times in a row and passing before being routed on to the end locations.

1. What impact would rule 1 being "Drop All UDP" have on the performance of the forwarding plane. Minimal? None?
2. If the 25 rules are going from most generic to most specific on DROP's and then the default is accept what would I expect to see from a impact view on the unit?

I know these are really loaded questions, just trying to understand based on the data on the web page and real world, really how the tests were completed and what an inverted usage of the firewall would have?

As you can probably imagine, this is all around DDoS and keeping the firewalls alive, especially when they have 10G interfaces.
 
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Wed Mar 05, 2014 4:22 pm

i cannot use 6.10 have reboots every some days. max uptime was 4 days. i went back to 6.7.

both firmwares have a memleak when creating support files. i tried to create a support-file every 10min to have one in case of an error. you can see the mem going down rapidly.

after a conversation with support i upgraded to 6.10 which is unstable. now i am down to 6.7.

can someone tell us here which version of routeros für ccr is stable to use in production environment.
i need ipsec, sstp und l2tp
 
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Wed Mar 05, 2014 5:36 pm

i cannot use 6.10 have reboots every some days. max uptime was 4 days. i went back to 6.7.

both firmwares have a memleak when creating support files. i tried to create a support-file every 10min to have one in case of an error. you can see the mem going down rapidly.

after a conversation with support i upgraded to 6.10 which is unstable. now i am down to 6.7.

can someone tell us here which version of routeros für ccr is stable to use in production environment.
i need ipsec, sstp und l2tp
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I also rolled back to version 6.7
 
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Wed Mar 05, 2014 10:17 pm

any reason 6.7 and not 6.9 ?

I am having performance issues with 6.10...
 
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Thu Mar 06, 2014 2:36 pm

Looking to understand the impact of the Firewall on high speed routing on a CCR. The benchmark's refer to 25 rules, I assume they are "passing" rules rather than blocks? Ie the traffic is being checked 25 times in a row and passing before being routed on to the end locations.

1. What impact would rule 1 being "Drop All UDP" have on the performance of the forwarding plane. Minimal? None?
2. If the 25 rules are going from most generic to most specific on DROP's and then the default is accept what would I expect to see from a impact view on the unit?

I know these are really loaded questions, just trying to understand based on the data on the web page and real world, really how the tests were completed and what an inverted usage of the firewall would have?

As you can probably imagine, this is all around DDoS and keeping the firewalls alive, especially when they have 10G interfaces.
25 rule each did process the packets. In normal conditions this would not happen, and actual packets would pass only few of them and packets from established and related connections just 2 to 4 rules. Adding 1 or removing 1 rule from that list would not change that much.

Also, dropping a packets does not cost (as in CPU resources) that much.
 
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any reason 6.7 and not 6.9 ?

I am having performance issues with 6.10...
6.9 is as unstable as 6.10 and sstp is not working with Windows clients
 
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Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:03 am

Looking to understand the impact of the Firewall on high speed routing on a CCR. The benchmark's refer to 25 rules, I assume they are "passing" rules rather than blocks? Ie the traffic is being checked 25 times in a row and passing before being routed on to the end locations.

1. What impact would rule 1 being "Drop All UDP" have on the performance of the forwarding plane. Minimal? None?
2. If the 25 rules are going from most generic to most specific on DROP's and then the default is accept what would I expect to see from a impact view on the unit?

I know these are really loaded questions, just trying to understand based on the data on the web page and real world, really how the tests were completed and what an inverted usage of the firewall would have?

As you can probably imagine, this is all around DDoS and keeping the firewalls alive, especially when they have 10G interfaces.
25 rule each did process the packets. In normal conditions this would not happen, and actual packets would pass only few of them and packets from established and related connections just 2 to 4 rules. Adding 1 or removing 1 rule from that list would not change that much.

Also, dropping a packets does not cost (as in CPU resources) that much.
Does the said above mean that as rules are processed sequentially, the ones that you expect to be hit the most, you want to put them higher so the packets hit the rule and are not checked against the other rules further down the list?
 
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Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:09 am

25 rule each did process the packets. In normal conditions this would not happen
in normal conditions this is exactly what happens.
If we talk about devices for service providers (what CCR certainly is), then most often we filter out packets with few conditions and allow forwarding everything else. This means, that most of the packets gets processed with all the rules and accepted in last one. Order of the rules is not that important too, because 99% of the packets must be processed by all rules anyway.

I'am struggle here to replace my dying RB1000 with CCR (~40 firewall rules (some of them with dynamic address lists with hundreds addresses) and ~500Mbps traffic) and I would like to hear, how to make it process fewer rules.
 
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Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:41 pm

Does anybody use CCR for NAT?

I need about 1G of NAT.
 
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Sat Mar 08, 2014 1:54 am

Does anybody use CCR for NAT?
I need about 1G of NAT.
And the CCR1036 is not able to delivery you that throughput?
Ok for SPI & NAT you should shorten the entire throughput
for something around 3% - 5% in normal cases.

But perhaps, if the entire 1 GBit/s is urgently needed, you will be
able to wait until the CCR1072 will be released or you will be able
to organize more then one Internet connection from your ISP and
set up a load balancing mode.
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what is this CCR1016 model number
 
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Sat Mar 08, 2014 9:19 pm

Hi all,

Here is a shared experience with CCR1036-12G-4S

I was running 6.10, I would like to upgrade to 6.11RC1 of 6 March.
Upgrade was ok. all running.
After that I decided to upgrade Routerbord from 3.10 to 3.12.(bad idea)
After the needed reboot the CCR was bricked.

I take a new one fresh from the box, and repeat the operation, without config, push 6.11RC1 and upgrade the routerboard after reboot command, new one bricked.

No activity at all, no ligth, no lcd, fixed led on ethernet interface.

So no time to wait from support, and It seems important to share this information, I found by chance how to recover the CCR.

Just press reset during power-up recover. And an inpection on the serial console an error is generated, "boot configuration CRC error"

the CCR is back without losing config. but routerboard not upgraded.
I'm crazy, I would like to start again to flash routerboard to 3.12(why not). And then It works.

So I have repeat this on 3 CCR.

It seems something wrong in 6.11RC1 about routerboard flashing process...

I have reported today to support.

But I want to share if someone have the same good idea than me to upgrade his routerboard CCR to 3.12 :-)

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Sun Mar 09, 2014 12:38 am

Hello all !!!

I want to connect CCR CCR1036-12G-4S-EM with Cisco switch SG500 series via multimode fiber optic on SFP transceiver.
Which is better to use :?: :
1. Both side with Mikrotik SFP module S-85DLC05D
2. Both side with Cisco SFP module MGBSX1
3. On CCR side using Mikrotik SFP module S-85DLC05D & on Cisco side using Cisco SFP module MGBSX1
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:20 am

Does anybody use CCR for NAT?
I need about 1G of NAT.
And the CCR1036 is not able to delivery you that throughput?
Ok for SPI & NAT you should shorten the entire throughput
for something around 3% - 5% in normal cases.
I am using x86 server with ROS 6.10 only for nat. Utilisation is 5% for 300M,
but sometimes this machine got occasionaly reboot. Support didn't find eny problem in config.

It's cheaper to buy new CCR than ty to find compatible PC box.

I just wonder if enybody running NAT on CCR at least 3 month without crash o reboot.
 
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Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:00 am

I want to connect CCR CCR1036-12G-4S-EM with Cisco switch SG500 series via multimode fiber optic on SFP transceiver.
Which is better to use :?: :
1. Both side with Mikrotik SFP module S-85DLC05D
2. Both side with Cisco SFP module MGBSX1
3. On CCR side using Mikrotik SFP module S-85DLC05D & on Cisco side using Cisco SFP module MGBSX1
It depends. Most switches from Vendors like Cisco or HP will - unlike MikroTik - only accept SFP modules with the right branding, so I think options 2 or 3 would be the only ways to go. Don't know about the SG500 series (they are ex Linksys, IIRC), though. Maybe they'll accept the MikroTik modules, maybe not. Best thing to do is try out for yourself if the switch accepts the transceiver. As long as the speed and wavelength of the transceivers match, there should be no problem.
 
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Re: CLOUD CORE ROUTER

Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:12 am

Does anybody use CCR for NAT?
I need about 1G of NAT.
And the CCR1036 is not able to delivery you that throughput?
Ok for SPI & NAT you should shorten the entire throughput
for something around 3% - 5% in normal cases.
I am using x86 server with ROS 6.10 only for nat. Utilisation is 5% for 300M,
but sometimes this machine got occasionaly reboot. Support didn't find eny problem in config.

It's cheaper to buy new CCR than ty to find compatible PC box.

I just wonder if enybody running NAT on CCR at least 3 month without crash o reboot.

Begetan, please email support with these details and supout.rif file. Thanks!
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Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:41 pm

Does anybody use CCR for NAT?

I need about 1G of NAT.
1Gb/sec NAT is fine for 1036.
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Mon Mar 10, 2014 4:34 pm

Hello,
I am interested in status of IPSec hardware acceleration. In the beginning of this topic you have mentioned that this will be available soon.
Today I have tested to encrypt traffic between two CCR1036 and the best result was about 300Mbps.

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Begetan, please email support with these details and supout.rif file. Thanks!
Already done at Ticket#2014030766000056

I have identical mashine to test hardware problems but it needs a time to prepare it.
 
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Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:28 pm

Hello,
ipsec - enable hardware acceleration for aes-cbc-128 + md5|sha1|sha256 aead on tilera cpus;
We have tried to follow these guides to "enable" hardware acceleration, but still couldn't perform more that 300Mbps IPsec AES 256 between two CCRs.
http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:IP/IPsec#Hardware_encryption
Did I miss something or documented hardware acceleration still doesn't work as intended?
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 8:15 am

Hello,
I am interested in status of IPSec hardware acceleration. In the beginning of this topic you have mentioned that this will be available soon.
Today I have tested to encrypt traffic between two CCR1036 and the best result was about 300Mbps.

Regards,
Which version of RoS?
6.10 support hardware Accel...
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 12:13 pm

ners, thank you for reply!

Could you provide please some more details:

1. What is maximum utime?
2. Current version of ROS.
3. Does NAT utilise multi cores or single core?
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 12:47 pm

ners, thank you for reply!

Could you provide please some more details:

1. What is maximum utime?
2. Current version of ROS.
3. Does NAT utilise multi cores or single core?
1. uptime: 1w14h8m27s (I started using it for NAT a week ago).
2. version: 6.9
3.
# CPU LOAD IRQ DISK
0 cpu0 7% 7% 0%
1 cpu1 5% 5% 0%
2 cpu2 4% 4% 0%
3 cpu3 6% 6% 0%
4 cpu4 7% 7% 0%
5 cpu5 4% 4% 0%
6 cpu6 3% 3% 0%
7 cpu7 3% 3% 0%
8 cpu8 4% 4% 0%
9 cpu9 8% 8% 0%
10 cpu10 9% 9% 0%
11 cpu11 7% 7% 0%
12 cpu12 7% 7% 0%
13 cpu13 9% 9% 0%
14 cpu14 5% 5% 0%
15 cpu15 4% 4% 0%
16 cpu16 6% 6% 0%
17 cpu17 8% 8% 0%
18 cpu18 7% 7% 0%
19 cpu19 8% 7% 0%
20 cpu20 7% 7% 0%
21 cpu21 4% 4% 0%
22 cpu22 4% 4% 0%
23 cpu23 5% 5% 0%
24 cpu24 8% 8% 0%
25 cpu25 3% 3% 0%
26 cpu26 4% 4% 0%
27 cpu27 9% 9% 0%
28 cpu28 9% 9% 0%
29 cpu29 1% 1% 0%
30 cpu30 9% 9% 0%
31 cpu31 7% 7% 0%
32 cpu32 11% 11% 0%
33 cpu33 9% 9% 0%
34 cpu34 4% 4% 0%
35 cpu35 5% 5% 0%
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:47 pm

ners, I think this is useful information for all. Please update information after 1 month of stable work.

I had previously RB1100AHx2 with uptime of 300 days running on ROS 5.18. Hope CCR should be the same.
 
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Thu Mar 13, 2014 9:23 am

ners, I think this is useful information for all. Please update information after 1 month of stable work.

I had previously RB1100AHx2 with uptime of 300 days running on ROS 5.18. Hope CCR should be the same.

I have CCR1036-12G-4S. Doing 81 NATs over 19 EoIP tunnels and 62 VLANs. Total bandwidth it currently serves is a bit below 700Mbps, sometimes peaking 750Mbps, but thats not CCRs limitation, its mine. Load rarely exceeds 30%. Uptime over 2 months. Rebooted recently, because added one package. v6.5 Running more or less stable.
 
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Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:00 am

ners, I think this is useful information for all. Please update information after 1 month of stable work.

I had previously RB1100AHx2 with uptime of 300 days running on ROS 5.18. Hope CCR should be the same.

I have CCR1036-12G-4S. Doing 81 NATs over 19 EoIP tunnels and 62 VLANs. Total bandwidth it currently serves is a bit below 700Mbps, sometimes peaking 750Mbps, but thats not CCRs limitation, its mine. Load rarely exceeds 30%. Uptime over 2 months. Rebooted recently, because added one package. v6.5 Running more or less stable.
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Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:16 pm

not if using vfr's. :D Router hang after puting an Interface to a vrf.

all after 6.5 is best. :D I have seen no big problem to the latest 6.8-9-10. 10 the best couse of partly fixes cisco non gigabit issue
 
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 3:05 am

not if using vfr's. :D Router hang after puting an Interface to a vrf.

all after 6.5 is best. :D I have seen no big problem to the latest 6.8-9-10. 10 the best couse of partly fixes cisco non gigabit issue
Interesting, we are running about 20 VRF's with around 50 interfaces in them on 6.5, pushed around 1700TB through it and it has been really stable!
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Sat Mar 15, 2014 7:56 am

May MT elaborate little bit more about:
*) fixed 100% cpu usage on CCRs;

thanks
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Wed Mar 19, 2014 3:22 am

Metarouter on CCR?
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Mon Mar 24, 2014 8:50 am

My First watchdog reboot. on ROS 6.10.
 
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Mon Mar 24, 2014 11:00 am

When will the CCR work properly with Queues, by which I mean spreading the load effectively and efficiently across all the cores?

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Mon Mar 24, 2014 6:25 pm

anyone tried 6.11 on ccr? i am still stuck at 6.7 because 6.9 and 6.10 run unstable. max uptime was about 4 days.
 
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Mon Mar 24, 2014 10:29 pm

sticking with 6.10 for the moment as a lot of unusual reports. need to find out if they are actual bugs or user errors. one definate annoyance is the size of winbox text fields in firewall rules are broken / modified to a very uncomfortable format.
 
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Tue Mar 25, 2014 6:46 am

Helo guys,

My CCR1036 suddenly erupts this morning, I don't know why..

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Can I get RMA?
 
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Tue Mar 25, 2014 10:05 am

wow! I would take a guess there was a short on the board between that component and the ground. Depending on the cause. if manufacture fault then yes. if foreign object then no
 
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My CCR1036 suddenly erupts this morning, I don't know why..
installed new firmware?
 
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Tue Mar 25, 2014 10:35 pm

anyone tried 6.11 on ccr? i am still stuck at 6.7 because 6.9 and 6.10 run unstable. max uptime was about 4 days.
I did and experienced a very weird bug. Suddenly some vlan interfaces stopped working. They just wouldn't pass traffic at all although shown as running and I could ping their addresses and also PPPoE service was working fine over them. When I deleted the affected vlan interface and tried to recreate it, it wouldn't let me, said there was already such an item (although really there wasn't). After a reboot the VLAN came back on its own and started passing traffic again, but after 30 minutes or so, it stopped working again.

Reverted to 6.10 and the vlan problem is gone.
 
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Tue Mar 25, 2014 11:21 pm

Revert to 6.7, and again I can remove created by me interfaces like EoIP tonnel, Bridge..

in 6.9/6.10 a can't do it, and have Winbox frozen after attemps to remove its
 
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wow! I would take a guess there was a short on the board between that component and the ground. Depending on the cause. if manufacture fault then yes. if foreign object then no
I never open the case. Other device from the same power cord is fine.
 
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Wed Mar 26, 2014 2:05 am

My CCR1036 suddenly erupts this morning, I don't know why..
installed new firmware?
Last time I installed 6.10 and upgrade to that firmware..
 
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Posted in the other thread, I am on 6.3, which is mostly stable. Am I right in saying 6.7 is the most stable now at the moment?
 
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Wed Apr 02, 2014 4:32 pm

Posted in the other thread, I am on 6.3, which is mostly stable. Am I right in saying 6.7 is the most stable now at the moment?
I am still at 6.7 because ist more stable than 6.9 and 6.10 but today the router stopped working properly.

i couldnt Export the /ppp node any more and all vpn-server configs couldnot be read or altered vom cli and winbox. had to reboot.

it was not possible to create a support-file

this CCRs are still way too unstable for real production use. this should change fast because we are realliy very disappointed after two month of use.
 
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Wed Apr 02, 2014 6:31 pm

I'm having stability issues with my CCR (CCR1016-12G) after upgrading from ROS 6.5 to 6.10 and also 6.11. The CCR will run for a few days (as little as 2 days and as long as 7 days) before it loses connectivity. I can't ping or access via Winbox. Sometimes the touchscreen and serial console are unresponsive as well. Only solution is to unplug power and plug back in. Sometimes (though less frequent) I lose the connectivity, but touchscreen and serial console work.

I noticed today when this happened and I still had serial connectivity that
/system routerboard print
showed the firmware version was 3.10 with version 3.12 available. I updated the firmware to 3.12 and rebooted. Here's to hoping this solves the issue. If not, I'm going to revert back to 6.5 or possibly 6.7. Does anyone know where I can download older versions of ROS?
 
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I'm having stability issues with my CCR (CCR1016-12G) after upgrading from ROS 6.5 to 6.10 and also 6.11. The CCR will run for a few days (as little as 2 days and as long as 7 days) before it loses connectivity. I can't ping or access via Winbox. Sometimes the touchscreen and serial console are unresponsive as well. Only solution is to unplug power and plug back in. Sometimes (though less frequent) I lose the connectivity, but touchscreen and serial console work.

I noticed today when this happened and I still had serial connectivity that
/system routerboard print
showed the firmware version was 3.10 with version 3.12 available. I updated the firmware to 3.12 and rebooted. Here's to hoping this solves the issue. If not, I'm going to revert back to 6.5 or possibly 6.7. Does anyone know where I can download older versions of ROS?
For CloudCoreRouter

http://download2.mikrotik.com/routeros/ ... le-6.7.zip

For MIPS:

http://download2.mikrotik.com/routeros/ ... be-6.7.zip
 
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Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:13 am

running 2 x CCR1036-8G-2S+

running 6.10, don't think i am game to run 6.11 seems like there are still some issues with ccr and 6.11 :(
 
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Tue Apr 08, 2014 11:42 am

2xCCR1016-12G, upgraded from 6.6 to 6.11. Bad Move. 6.11 buffer issues on BGP, dropped back to 6.10 more or less stable. Previous 6.6 had 200+ days of uptime. Would of been more but I was on 6.0RC11 for faaaaaarrrrr to long.
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we are going to put 2 CCR into production with 6.11 code

primary use bonding, vlan, vrrp and bgpd

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Re: CLOUD CORE ROUTER

Wed Apr 09, 2014 12:57 am

we are going to put 2 CCR into production with 6.11 code

primary use bonding, vlan, vrrp and bgpd

bad move?
From all the reports on here, yes.

We have 6.5 running stable with all these features (as well as OSPF, MPLS/VPLS) on CCR. I can recommend the 6.5 release. The only exception would be for use as a PPP concentrator.
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Wed Apr 09, 2014 1:15 am

So.. My 6.10 downgrade from last night crashed this morning. I'm rolling back to 6.6
 
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we are going to put 2 CCR into production with 6.11 code

primary use bonding, vlan, vrrp and bgpd

bad move?
We have a similar setup but we don't touch the new releases as they are simply unstable. Mikrotik's public releases seem to be betas now days.
 
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Mon Apr 14, 2014 8:08 pm

I would like to confirm that the CCR1036 is good and stable for 1Gbit/sec NAT on 6.9.
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Re: CLOUD CORE ROUTER

Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:40 pm

Very useful information about CCR is available here:
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Wed Apr 16, 2014 6:53 pm

I have a CCR1036-12G-4S with the following running on it;

hotspot
PCC load balancing
2 Nat rules

I am seeing slow load times on webpages and I suspect a possible issue with DNS Caching. I am on v6.1 with firmware version 3.09. All packages installed are running v6.1 including user-manager.

Should I update to a newer version to possibly resolve the dns issue? If so what version seems to be the most stable, I see a lot of 6.5's possibly?

I have several CCR's in production now, all of them are running similar setups and seeing similar performance. all of them are on v6.1
 
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Wed Apr 16, 2014 8:06 pm

I have a CCR1036-12G-4S with the following running on it;

hotspot
PCC load balancing
2 Nat rules

I am seeing slow load times on webpages and I suspect a possible issue with DNS Caching. I am on v6.1 with firmware version 3.09. All packages installed are running v6.1 including user-manager.

Should I update to a newer version to possibly resolve the dns issue? If so what version seems to be the most stable, I see a lot of 6.5's possibly?

I have several CCR's in production now, all of them are running similar setups and seeing similar performance. all of them are on v6.1
In ROS 6.x bad performance DNS server. Try not to use DNS ROS 6.x.
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Re: CLOUD CORE ROUTER

Wed Apr 16, 2014 8:31 pm

hmm,

is there another way not to use Internal DNS when using a hotspot? I have not been able to get that to work also running PCC.
 
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Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:49 pm

maybe SRPF impact. try disable RP filtering if used(usual/reasonal for bras/cpe only), temporally.
 
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Thu Apr 17, 2014 1:55 am

maybe SRPF impact. try disable RP filtering if used(usual/reasonal for bras/cpe only), temporally.
I have RP Filter set to no currently. PCC setups are not designed to work if RP Filter is enabled
 
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Thu Apr 17, 2014 5:23 pm

can only guess then, its about regression in more recent kernels in ROS 6.x (intel and BCM "contributors" especially famous for such stuff/impact),compared to used in ROS 5.xx, combined with well-known/ancient bloatbuffer impact.
maybe after switching to new kernle with regressions fixed and CoDel implemented - some of them gone.
p.s.
IMO, advising to use non-v6.0 versions to users/owners of only-v6.x compatible hardware(ie CCR) can be bit misleading and dangerous.
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sorry for missing PCC usage, in your description. talked bout SRPF, only cause it was one of generic things with such impact(but worthy, despite).
 
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Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:02 am

its cool, I am confused by the dns issue though, as it was not present in my v5 devices.
 
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Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:04 pm

well, guess we're had to watch morf filled ticket progress/status. or may bump/ask about, when/if silence become too long.
guess is more critical/dangerous bugs fixed 1st.
 
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Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:49 am

6.12 any one had any good experiences with this

I got 2 CCR1036-8G-2S+ might give it a try, but it seems like it still has issues
 
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Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:56 am

Just wanted to post an update on my CCR. I hear lots of complaints but most people (including myself) don't usually post when everything is working. We replaced our aging pppoe controller with a ccr1016, after a some initial issues with routeros we have settled on 6.7 and its been smooth sailing since. We will start testing 6.12 in the coming weeks.
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Thu Apr 24, 2014 1:23 am

Does anybody use CCR for NAT?

I need about 1G of NAT.
1Gb/sec NAT is fine for 1036.

lo there... how did you manage to get 1gb nat.... did you change anyhing in device?
queue types?

if i passe the 800mb i get disconnect from router :X
 
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Thu Apr 24, 2014 2:31 pm

CCR1016-12G ROS v6.12 Fw 3.13

Running PPTP server with more than 1000 users with rx/tx limit , reboot the bandwidth limit works without problem but
after a few hours some users broke the limit, the only way to normalize the rate is to reboot the ccr, tryed to delete and readd the user,
tryed to change queue types but nothing. The problem persist also in previous ROS.
 
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Fri Apr 25, 2014 4:09 pm

Very useful information about CCR is available here:
http://mum.mikrotik.com/presentations/RU14/megis.pdf
Thank you. This is fantastic stuff. Where can we find more of this sort of thing? I highly suggest this is more visible to people like us browsing the forums. It actually answered a lot of my questions.
 
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Very useful information about CCR is available here:
http://mum.mikrotik.com/presentations/RU14/megis.pdf
Thank you. This is fantastic stuff. Where can we find more of this sort of thing? I highly suggest this is more visible to people like us browsing the forums. It actually answered a lot of my questions.
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Tue Apr 29, 2014 2:56 pm

Is the inability to queue more than 500 Mbit/s in any plans to be fixed? Right now we have to maintain 5 CCRs 1036 to process about 2Gb/sec of shaped PPPoE traffic (350 Mbit/s each) :-/
 
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Tue Apr 29, 2014 8:00 pm

Just read the new newsletter.

Are dual power supplies planned for the 36 core router? If so, when is it due? I don't really want to down grade. But it's always bugged me the 'carrier' router never had dual PSU's.
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Wed May 07, 2014 9:50 pm

will this sfp work great with ccr?
it was supplied by the carrier...
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Not sure about that specific model, but we have used FiberXion SFPs in 2011s and CCRs without issue.
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Tue May 20, 2014 11:13 am

Hello all

since yesterday I am using (in production environment) a CCR1016-12G with 6.13, as BGP router connected to two peers

anybody else using a CCR as BGP router, with a recent build, can report that the initial issues had been solved? I am a bit worried... since in the first four months of 2014 we tried several 6.x builds, and with most of them BGP was not error-free (the router crashed suddendly and needed a power cycling to restart; we have two other CCRs in production, without BGP, and they all have several months uptime with no issue at all)

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Tue May 20, 2014 3:14 pm

Hello all

since yesterday I am using (in production environment) a CCR1016-12G with 6.13, as BGP router connected to two peers

anybody else using a CCR as BGP router, with a recent build, can report that the initial issues had been solved? I am a bit worried... since in the first four months of 2014 we tried several 6.x builds, and with most of them BGP was not error-free (the router crashed suddendly and needed a power cycling to restart; we have two other CCRs in production, without BGP, and they all have several months uptime with no issue at all)

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We were also running a CCR1036 (V6.7, then V6.10) - three sfp's running bgp and vlans to our international/local/peering links. Running fine for months then all of a sudden router reboots multiple times with no real indication in the logs. Tried another CCR, different power, copied config, new config, new SFP's, only one SFP and bgp running on one fibre link - same issue. Sent support files to Mikrotik. Eventually we had to pull it out our DC and use our Cisco 7200 for running BGP and out CCR's for OSPF/Firewall/etc for our internal network. Haven't had an issue since.

However we are wanting to move back onto our CCR's for BGP though we are hesitant to.
 
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What did CPU utilization for BGP look like during these outages?
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Tue May 20, 2014 7:42 pm

What did CPU utilization for BGP look like during these outages?
I suspect it was this however it happened so quickly we could not check in real time. Our ccr usually ran at around 4-5%, however on the cacti graphs before a reboot I could see it hitting 70%. I know in V6 bgp is not multicore....
 
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Just out of curiosity, could you share your watchdog settings?
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Tue May 20, 2014 8:52 pm

Just out of curiosity, could you share your watchdog settings?
Sure :)

system watchdog print
watch-address: none
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no-ping-delay: 5m
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So the reboots were probably being caused by watchdog due to BGP or maybe other CPU utilization...we found in several instances of troubleshooting CCRs that even if all of the other cores are lightly utilized, one core staying pegged at 100% for more than about 30 - 45 seconds usually triggers watchdog reboots.

If you are able to use one router as a test, it would be worth disabling this feature and see what your stability looks like. Just change the watchdog-timer to no
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Fri May 23, 2014 8:34 pm

Thanks for the information, I am shopping for a low cost router for my new colo space, I ordered 2 100MB connections and will use BPG. I was debating using the Cloud router however I need something 100% stable. The other products I was looking at was either a Ubiquiti Edgemax Pro, A pfsence box, or getting a used Cisco or Juniper router on ebay.
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Sat May 24, 2014 2:00 am

I would appreciate if you can confirm if BGP is working successfully after turning off the watchdog, I need to make a decision for a router for my new colo space. I have 2 providers with a 100MB BGP link to each. I am considering the Cloud Router, Ubiquiti's Edgemax PRO, Pfsence, or a used Cisco or Juniper router.
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Sat May 24, 2014 2:11 am

we never enabled a watchdog on any MT router

should I do it, on the bgp ccr?

can I safely assume that, if I enable watchdog, next time that the ccr will have a BIG problem, it will reboot by itself, instead of crashing and needing somebody run there to power cycle it?

of course, I would be happier, if MT has sorted things out and with RC13 has already solved this issue; I am an optimistic person; I like to risk... actually I have already ordered one more ccr, a brand new CCR1016-12S-1S+, and would like to use it as our main bgp router :-|
 
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Sat May 24, 2014 11:58 am

we never enabled a watchdog on any MT router

should I do it, on the bgp ccr?

can I safely assume that, if I enable watchdog, next time that the ccr will have a BIG problem, it will reboot by itself, instead of crashing and needing somebody run there to power cycle it?

of course, I would be happier, if MT has sorted things out and with RC13 has already solved this issue; I am an optimistic person; I like to risk... actually I have already ordered one more ccr, a brand new CCR1016-12S-1S+, and would like to use it as our main bgp router :-|
It's a tough one. Our CCR for BGP is also in our DC which is around 15min car drive from our office. We were originally running one CCR for OSPF, BGP, firewall rules, queues, natting etc which I think was our issue. Though it ran fine for +- 5 months like this. All of a sudden we were getting random reboots to an extent that it would reboot 10-15 times a day. We pulled the CCR out, put a new one in, copied config - same issue. We thought there may be a short in one of the cables comming from the roof of the DC to some of our antennas so we redid the cabling - same issue. Decided new config was need, disabled all config that was "bloat" - same issue. Swapped the SFP's - same issue. Ran BGP only on one SFP instead of three vlans over two SFP's - same issue. Eventually we decided to remove BGP off the CCR and revert to our unused Cisco7200 which we used when there was no such thing as a CCR. This ran fine for 2months. So diagnosed the issue was with BGP and the CPU which was backed up by our cacti graphs showing spikes before a reboot.

Today we decided to give the CCR another try as it is an awsome piece of hardware, and the price cannot be argued with. We are expanding so either pay $$$$$$$ for another more powerful cisco or go back to the CCR.

We are now running two CCR's. One for BGP only and the other running all other config. So far it has been up two hours without a problem, 0% cpu usage. Will continue to monitor. And yes, watchdog is turned off.
 
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Hi paulsa,

What is your latest result?
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Tue May 27, 2014 12:21 pm

Hi paulsa,

What is your latest result?
So far so good, touch wood :)

system resource print
uptime: 3d2h16m25s
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build-time: May/15/2014 16:03:12
free-memory: 3642.8MiB
total-memory: 3969.0MiB
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Wed May 28, 2014 10:59 pm

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keep us posted paulsa.
No issues so far.

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Fri May 30, 2014 2:38 am

So v6.13 seems stable? Anyone using a hotspot with usermanager? Anyone using PCC and needing to use allow remote dns use?
 
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lo there...
anyone else getting rx drops in the vlan from internet provider???
mine doesn't stop counting :(
 
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Thanks for the information, I am shopping for a low cost router for my new colo space, I ordered 2 100MB connections and will use BPG. I was debating using the Cloud router however I need something 100% stable. The other products I was looking at was either a Ubiquiti Edgemax Pro, A pfsence box, or getting a used Cisco or Juniper router on ebay.
I suggest you to use RB1100AHx2 for this. This device is absolutelly stable - I got uptime more than 1 year for it with one Full BGP table for ROS 5.x and traffic up to 300M.
 
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So v6.13 seems stable? Anyone using a hotspot with usermanager? Anyone using PCC and needing to use allow remote dns use?
in 6.13 vpn implementation is far from stable. so if you Need this you have to use an older version. the most stable until now is 6.7 (at least for my usecase)
 
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Definitely stability issues, Looks like we have to pull them from production and I'm not sure I trust them enough to deploy them again in the future.

We use the CCR as a access concentrator, converting EoIP to vlans. When under load (~100Mbit) it randomly crashes and needs a reboot to get access back.
Tried all different versions - 6.7, 6.11 and 6.13

Our redundant concentrator running 4.17 on a RB1000 has been working perfectly for years.
 
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Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:25 pm

@ddd
Our redundant concentrator running 4.17 on a RB1000 has been working perfectly for years.
It is even the same deal with this in my eyes!
If they (MikroTik) is not inserting many new features the half of the crowd is crying loud,
and if all this fine things find their way in RouterOS and there are some failures or issues
the rest of the crowed is crying loud! And what to do now if you don´t want to loose clients?

-Would the way UBNT was going the right thing?
Fiddle out all things and then delivering the CCR Series
-Is this way the right one? But I really thing they (MikroTik) will never be able to test out
all different situations and set ups their clients are using and having installed in the field.
So less features, options and functions should be the goal?
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in our case, UNTIL NOW, 6.13 seems stable, when used as BGP router; uptime 9 days
 
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in our case, UNTIL NOW, 6.13 seems stable, when used as BGP router; uptime 9 days
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in our case, UNTIL NOW, 6.13 seems stable, when used as BGP router; uptime 9 days
Yup, V6.13 seems stable for BGP

BGP CCR] > system resource print
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@ddd
Our redundant concentrator running 4.17 on a RB1000 has been working perfectly for years.
It is even the same deal with this in my eyes!
If they (MikroTik) is not inserting many new features the half of the crowd is crying loud,
and if all this fine things find their way in RouterOS and there are some failures or issues
the rest of the crowed is crying loud! And what to do now if you don´t want to loose clients?

-Would the way UBNT was going the right thing?
Fiddle out all things and then delivering the CCR Series
-Is this way the right one? But I really thing they (MikroTik) will never be able to test out
all different situations and set ups their clients are using and having installed in the field.
So less features, options and functions should be the goal?

In my opiniion sorting out major bugs has the highest priority and comes long before adding features. the situation now is that ccr is not usable in production because every new update that should solve some anoying bugs intruduces new bugs you have to work around. and it doesnot seem to get a lot better over time.

we are using the ccr as firewall and we used it as vpn accesspoint. i had to do the vpn an another linux-box because we couldnot get it stable enough. we have e really simple environment and the system is far from stable
 
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Hello enc,
In my opiniion sorting out major bugs has the highest priority and comes long before adding features.
For the other versions of RouterOS, likes x86, MIPSBE and PPC it would be right, I consider
to this point really. But along with the Tilera hardware some hardware support is given that is
not present at the other platforms, likes the encryption support and why now the hardware
encryption support should not be activated or should be inserted?

You need a vpn concentrator, let us imagine MikroTik is not using the capabilities
given by the TileGx hardware. What you think, how it will need that exact you are asking
here in the forum when the MiCA engine is used by the ROS code! But it is not really
a brand new feature, vpn support was also given in the other RouterOS versions, in that
direction I was meaning to insert new features.
the situation now is that ccr is not usable in production because every new update that should solve some anoying bugs intruduces new bugs you have to work around. and it doesnot seem to get a lot better over time.
Ok right and this was my question to the user ddd, should they do it like UBNT was doing
(selling only if the router is stable)
or should MikroTik sell then the router likes the situation now?
(sell it and let help enough peoples help them)

And I also really can´t think that MikroTik will be able to test first all the
different situations and RouterOS given features, options and functions.
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(selling only if the router is stable)
.

If a product is not fit for purpose then it shouldn't be sold.


In the case of the CCR it seems its only stable under certain configurations. I believe it would be best to release a cut back version of the firmware that only allows tested and stable configuration / packages.
If a user wants to unlock the full feature set they can do so at their own risk.


The current stability issues are going it very difficult to trust these routers again.
 
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Thanks ddd for a so fast answer back to me!
If a product is not fit for purpose then it shouldn't be sold.
Ok quick and dirty, but the true, that was exactly what I personally want to know.
If a user wants to unlock the full feature set they can do so at their own risk.
But this is a nearly unclear answer and on top in the total other direction, why?

If I know this is not productions ready device why the hell I should put it in the production?
So since the CCR series was sold by MikroTik, the whole staff of them was speaking out and writing down that the hardware is ready, but the RouterOS version isn´t ready for productive usage!
The current stability issues are going it very difficult to trust these routers again.
For sure I consider, this could be a risk for MikroTik but if they get this device ready to work
and using all hardware given capabilities it becomes a self selling status with no more extra
promotion is needed we will see what is going on with this survey.
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(selling only if the router is stable)
.

If a product is not fit for purpose then it shouldn't be sold.


In the case of the CCR it seems its only stable under certain configurations. I believe it would be best to release a cut back version of the firmware that only allows tested and stable configuration / packages.
If a user wants to unlock the full feature set they can do so at their own risk.


The current stability issues are going it very difficult to trust these routers again.

in my opinion the problem is the release cycle where they mix up versions with new features with bugfixes.
i would like to see a 6.7.10 for example. 6.7 was stable, compared to the next versions and they should have fixed the bugs there and released some minor-minor version until 6.7.x is stable.

parallel to that i wouldnt have a problem if they released 6.8.x with the new hardware-acceleration,... features. they could have their time to get thos version stable and could also continue to support the 6.7.x train and make it more free of bugs.

so everybody would be happy and this plan would take some pressure from the development team to finally get out the "one first stable version" quickly.
 
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(selling only if the router is stable)
.

If a product is not fit for purpose then it shouldn't be sold.

In the case of the CCR it seems its only stable under certain configurations. I believe it would be best to release a cut back version of the firmware that only allows tested and stable configuration / packages.
If a user wants to unlock the full feature set they can do so at their own risk.

The current stability issues are going it very difficult to trust these routers again.
in my opinion the problem is the release cycle where they mix up versions with new features with bugfixes.
i would like to see a 6.7.10 for example. 6.7 was stable, compared to the next versions and they should have fixed the bugs there and released some minor-minor version until 6.7.x is stable.
I really respect your mind and I also must consider in some points, but not all as I want to say also.
Do you means something like this "Version 6.(major release) Subversion 7 (minor release)
Revision -10 (patch level) Build -15 (Build number)" ? An then version and subversion are stable
and patch level for new features and build number for bug fixes or something similar like this?
so everybody would be happy and this plan would take some pressure from the development team to finally get out the "one first stable version" quickly.
And this is the part I can´t consider to you, related to the circumstance that a
first stable version with only the half activated feature set offered by RouterOS
or in other words without all from RouterOS given options and functions, only to
tell the whole public, "we have now the first reallystable release!"
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Tue Jun 10, 2014 11:34 pm

Hello all

we changed hardware; we are now using the CCR1016-12S-1S+ as BGP router (still w/ 6.13)

two 300Mbps peers; acting only as border gateway (we have a separate CCR for NAT and a 3rd one for bw shaping)

until now, no issue with bgp, finally

uptime 10d and counting, let's hope we'll see 30d too

until now I did not risk to upgrade to 6.14

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And this is the part I can´t consider to you, related to the circumstance that a
first stable version with only the half activated feature set offered by RouterOS
or in other words without all from RouterOS given options and functions, only to
tell the whole public, "we have now the first reallystable release!"
But with this strategy i can decide if there is a stable Version with the Features i Need and if so i got to the shop an buy a MikroTik-router. otherwise i can always decide to take the risk of a Version with more features, but not so stable.

now i dont have the choice.
 
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And this is the part I can´t consider to you, related to the circumstance that a
first stable version with only the half activated feature set offered by RouterOS
or in other words without all from RouterOS given options and functions, only to
tell the whole public, "we have now the first reallystable release!"
But with this strategy i can decide if there is a stable Version with the Features i Need and if so i got to the shop an buy a MikroTik-router. otherwise i can always decide to take the risk of a Version with more features, but not so stable.

now i dont have the choice.
Absolutely sure, I consider this is right! For us both or some peoples this would be perhaps
the best, but we both are not MikroTik and from their point of view it is not so easy
in my opinion!

In my opinion they (MikroTik) will be even in a trap, either want they are doing!!!!
- They don´t sell it and all peoples running amok to get the hands on this device.
- They sell it and the other crowed is running wild because it is not really production ready.

- They sell it by their own and only from Latvia and all peoples know the status of the RouterOS
for this device at first, but all the distributors are running wild or amok.
- They sell it over the distributors and all customers get not at first the information about the
status from the RouterOS version for the TileGx platform.

- They focusing at first only the RouterOS version for the entire CCR series and all other customers
are running wild and being very "pissed" of not available fixes and new functions for the other
RouterOS versions for all other devices.
- They let step-by-step growing all different versions for all platforms and the owners
of the CCR routers are very angry about the lame running progress of this ROS version.

So what should MikroTik do right now to fit all the needs of all their customers?
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I have a very big problem with my CCR1009 with ROS 6.15, I prefix that I've bought it now so I test only with 6.12 and 6.15 but the problem persists.
The situation is this:
-ether1 with subnet 192.168.88.1/24
-ether2 with subnet 192.168.0.5/24
If a connect 2PC or router on the 2 different subnet I can't access the other subnet and I can't also ping.
The conf is very simply and with my rb951 work good with all versione of ros inclused 6.15.

/ip address
add address=192.168.88.1/24 interface=ether1 network=192.168.88.0
add address=192.168.0.5/24 interface=ether2 network=192.168.0.0
/ip dhcp-client
add default-route-distance=0 dhcp-options=hostname,clientid disabled=no \
interface=ether5
/ip firewall nat
add action=masquerade chain=srcnat out-interface=ether5 src-address=\
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ibm, I think you forgot to set default gateway as CCR in both of your PC.
 
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Mon Jun 23, 2014 12:57 pm

I have a very big problem with my CCR1009 with ROS 6.15, I prefix that I've bought it now so I test only with 6.12 and 6.15 but the problem persists.
The situation is this:
-ether1 with subnet 192.168.88.1/24
-ether2 with subnet 192.168.0.5/24
If a connect 2PC or router on the 2 different subnet I can't access the other subnet and I can't also ping.
The conf is very simply and with my rb951 work good with all versione of ros inclused 6.15.
My CCR1009 is working great with 3 different subnets ... 1 on the bridge linking ether1-4 as switch group + ether 5 & 6 bonded for LACP + SFP+, ether 7 and 8 have their own subnets, with ether 8 actually leading to another router as backup WAN. Primary WAN (500Mbps symmetrical fibre) is on SFP.

I'm not sure how you configure your CCR1009 but perhaps you can try putting the 2nd subnet on the non-switch group (i.e. ether 5 to 8 ).
 
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I have a very big problem with my CCR1009 with ROS 6.15, I prefix that I've bought it now so I test only with 6.12 and 6.15 but the problem persists.
The situation is this:
-ether1 with subnet 192.168.88.1/24
-ether2 with subnet 192.168.0.5/24
If a connect 2PC or router on the 2 different subnet I can't access the other subnet and I can't also ping.
The conf is very simply and with my rb951 work good with all versione of ros inclused 6.15.
My CCR1009 is working great with 3 different subnets ... 1 on the bridge linking ether1-4 as switch group + ether 5 & 6 bonded for LACP + SFP+, ether 7 and 8 have their own subnets, with ether 8 actually leading to another router as backup WAN. Primary WAN (500Mbps symmetrical fibre) is on SFP.

I'm not sure how you configure your CCR1009 but perhaps you can try putting the 2nd subnet on the non-switch group (i.e. ether 5 to 8 ).
I've already tried to do this, so I don't know what's the problem.
What ROS version and firmware do you have?
 
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Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:15 pm

I've already tried to do this, so I don't know what's the problem.
What ROS version and firmware do you have?
ROS 6.15 / Firmware 3.13.

Previously was on ROS 6.12 & 6.13 w/o issue too.
 
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look at traceroute from both sides
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Traceroute to the other subnet stop on the first hop on both side.
 
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Mon Jun 23, 2014 4:49 pm

I would check firewalls on both PCs: Windows Firewall blocks ICMP not from local subnet at least in WinXP, for example

you can check with Tools -> Torch on both interfaces - I'm sure, there are packets received and transmitted :)
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I would check firewalls on both PCs: Windows Firewall blocks ICMP not from local subnet at least in WinXP, for example

you can check with Tools -> Torch on both interfaces - I'm sure, there are packets received and transmitted :)
The firewall are disabled on every device.
In the screen 192.168.8.253 is a PC and 192.168.0.250 is a ATA so running a http server on port 80.
Both in the first and the second screen I tried to reach the ata web gui from the 192.168.88.253 PC.
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Mon Jun 23, 2014 10:22 pm

This really should have been in a separate thread.

What is the default gateway on the 192.168.88.253 PC?

What is the default gateway on the 192.168.0.250 ATA?

Can the PC ping 192.168.0.5?
 
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This really should have been in a separate thread.

What is the default gateway on the 192.168.88.253 PC?

What is the default gateway on the 192.168.0.250 ATA?

Can the PC ping 192.168.0.5?
The default gateway of PC is 192.168.88.1, the ata has no gateway set like the other routerboard that I tried instead of the ata I put
/ip address
add address=192.168.0.251 interface=ether2 network=192.168.0.0
 
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On the 192.168.0.251 mikrotik,
/ip route
add gateway=192.168.0.5
If the 192.168.0.0/24 hosts don't know how to get back to 192.168.88.0/24, how can they respond to pings and traceroutes and web requests from devices in 192.168.88.0/24 or any other non-192.168.0.0/24 hosts?
 
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On the 192.168.0.251 mikrotik,
/ip route
add gateway=192.168.0.5
If the 192.168.0.0/24 hosts don't know how to get back to 192.168.88.0/24, how can they respond to pings and traceroutes and web requests from devices in 192.168.88.0/24 or any other non-192.168.0.0/24 hosts?
I forgotten the gateway :shock:
So now I added it and from the mikrotik 951 (192.168.0.251/24) I can reach the ccr1009 192.168.0.5 but not 192.168.88.0/24.
From the ccr1009 (precisely 192.168.88.1) I can't reach 192.168.0.251 despite I added the rule add distance=1 gateway=192.168.0.251
Perhaps is needed static routing indirect?
 
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Is there a 192.168.88.0/24 IP address, or IP route on the 951?

did you set the default gw on your ata?
 
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The ata now work because I set in it gateway 192.168.0.5 but in the 951 there are no route to 192.168.88.0 subnet and no ip in that subnet.
 
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On the 192.168.0.251 mikrotik,
/ip route
add gateway=192.168.0.5
I forgotten the gateway :shock:
So now I added it and from the mikrotik 951 (192.168.0.251/24) I can reach the ccr1009 192.168.0.5 but not 192.168.88.0/24.
From the ccr1009 (precisely 192.168.88.1) I can't reach 192.168.0.251 despite I added the rule
add distance=1 gateway=192.168.0.251
Perhaps is needed static routing indirect?
Now that I'm on a real screen and not the smartphone...

According to what you wrote, you told the 951 that it was its own default gateway. Set the gateway to 192.168.0.5.
 
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Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:13 am

I'm pretty critical of Mikrtotiks firmware and the CCR.

However.

I've been running my CCR in production since December 24th, 2012 on what was then v6RC6.

I'm still sitting on 6.3. It's pretty stable for us.

Not excusing Mikrotik, but you need to test your configurations.
 
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On the 192.168.0.251 mikrotik,
/ip route
add gateway=192.168.0.5
I forgotten the gateway :shock:
So now I added it and from the mikrotik 951 (192.168.0.251/24) I can reach the ccr1009 192.168.0.5 but not 192.168.88.0/24.
From the ccr1009 (precisely 192.168.88.1) I can't reach 192.168.0.251 despite I added the rule
add distance=1 gateway=192.168.0.251
Perhaps is needed static routing indirect?
Now that I'm on a real screen and not the smartphone...

According to what you wrote, you told the 951 that it was its own default gateway. Set the gateway to 192.168.0.5.
If I set gateway 192.168.0.5 on rb951 it says me reachable but I can't reach 192.168.88.1.
I can reach 192.168.0.5 but it is reachable also if I not add any the default gateway 192.168.0.5
 
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Wed Jun 25, 2014 9:10 pm

Then you have something else wrong with the 951. The Cloud Core is passing traffic correctly for the ATA. You should look through the configs of the 951 to find your problem. It is probably somewhere under /ip firewall. At this point, it is really off-topic for this thread.
 
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i have purchase the ccr-1036 12G 4S and are in need of step by step configuration ether by using winbox or webconfig. I can connect to the router using winbox but yet to connect using webconfig. The default ip address (192.168.88.1) does not work for me, is that the right one or is there another? My aim is to use this router to run a wireless ISP, with Ubiquiti Rocket M2 Titanium 2.4GHz Powerful 2x2 MIMO airMAX BaseStation (RM2-TI)

I really could use some experience professional help.



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We recently purchased another ccr-1036. It worked in production 2 days, and then we see this:
1. When connected to any of the device ports we can not connect to it through wibnobx\ssh\telnet.
2. LCD screen shows that port without a link, although there is indication on the port and a graph of the incoming packets https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyHqfhC0KI0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZCQRxayBVc
 
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Hi everyone,

I'm looking for detailed implementation information for the Tilera architecture.

Basically, while considering CCRs as candidates to offload some tasks from Cisco and Juniper boxes, we'd like to get some deterministic scales based on the number of cores involved in each and avery bare-metal-implemented feature.

Which features are implemented on bare tiles ? How many tiles per feature's scalability (i.e. core per x thousand L2TP session, core per y Gbps of switched or sampled traffic, etc...) ? Is there a dynamic ressource allocator or is it hardcoded ? If dynamic, how to proritize when oversubscribing ?

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Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:23 am

You really love to hear yourself talk don't you. Just buy one and find out. 900 bucks is always I the budget when you are talking about replacing 5 and 10k devices.
 
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Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:43 pm

Hi everyone,
I'm looking for detailed implementation information for the Tilera architecture.
I think really it would be better to look at the website from Tilera and not in the forum of
MikroTik! And by the way it is not even the same, what a type of hardware is able to do
and what MikroTik is activating by using code for this feature or supporting by RouterOS.
As an example: The Tilera TileGX has very good video encoding capabilities, but as I see
it right MikroTik is not enabling this feature in RouterOS.

Basically, while considering CCRs as candidates to offload some tasks from Cisco and Juniper boxes, we'd like to get some deterministic scales based on the number of cores involved in each and avery bare-metal-implemented feature.
Bare Metal and functions could be found in this white paper here:
Tilera white paper 1
Which features are implemented on bare tiles ? How many tiles per feature's scalability (i.e. core per x thousand L2TP session, core per y Gbps of switched or sampled traffic, etc...) ? Is there a dynamic ressource allocator or is it hardcoded ? If dynamic, how to proritize when oversubscribing ?
This can be revealed by this white paper from Tilera:
At the last 30% of this white paper you can imagine how many cores will be used for what
and how many actions, options or enabled features, if it is activated and used by RouterOS
Tilera white paper 2
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Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:44 pm

I already went through most of tilera's papers, what I'm trying to find out (through blind testing on the few CCR we bought yet) is how RouterOS has been ported to the platform.

Every hint I can get would speed-up the scalability assesment and help focus on Q/A (and writing bug reports :D )
 
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Just took my first CCR-12-4G-EM. Hope the last.

1. Device is sweeping on different voces like an 20 years old black TV with broken line sweep transformer.

2. Winbox isn't connecting by mac address. After procesing of "erase configuration" have to use reset back. No other way to connect by Ethernet!

3. Connecting LAN to Eth2 caused blinking all 4 SFP ports! Looks like a dangerous warning.

4. After upgrade to 6.19 and initial configuration I've just put ntp server package and made reboot. Device completely lost connections. Even mac addresses is not visible.

Finnaly found a stupid bug - on X86 machine with ROS 6.18 command /export cause console to crash. No way to copy runing config!

After months of sporadic unpedictable crashes of X86 boxes I gave a chance to CCR. First impression looks like it's real shit. Mikrotik, what is going on?

Could anyone tell me how do you update packages on CCR and restore after bricking? I know about console ( which is disabled in my case) and reset to default. Any other solutions?
 
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Hi There !

I'm just trying to find the right CCR for my needs: (local wisp)

200Mb on my WAN side.
about 300 customers connected using pppoe
not very complex firewall rules (35 filter rules, 25 nat rules and 15 mangle rules)
and 30 simple queues using pcq.

But my concern is that i will serve inet connection to my customers using JUST ONE ETHERNET
on the LAN side. Does it affect to the performance a MULTICORE router can afford?
Make sense to get a 16 or 32 core router with this topology limitation ?

As far as i can see a 9 core router can accomplish the load without issues...

Please let me know your thoughts about this.

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Re: CLOUD CORE ROUTER

Wed Sep 24, 2014 3:36 am

200Mb on my WAN side.
about 300 customers connected using pppoe
not very complex firewall rules (35 filter rules, 25 nat rules and 15 mangle rules)
and 30 simple queues using pcq.
This is able to handle by a RB1100AHx2 without problems and by any kind of CCR
in my eyes.
But my concern is that i will serve inet connection to my customers using JUST ONE ETHERNET on the LAN side.

A liquid running network would not only be based on a clever and powerful router,
it is more a game that must be played by many devices together in my eyes. So
why not setting up a powerful switch for the LAN and a powerful router for the
WAN area? A layer3 switch with a LAG (LACP) to the CCR router would be surrounding
a bottleneck easily and the RouterOS would also support it.
Does it affect to the performance a MULTICORE router can afford?
More than 1 GBit/s it will not be passing if you only use one ethernet LAN port.
But you can do the following;
- building a LAG (LACP).
- using a 10 GBit/s Uplink from the switch to the router.
Make sense to get a 16 or 32 core router with this topology limitation ?
It would not speeding up the entire and only 1 GBit/s uplink!
As far as i can see a 9 core router can accomplish the load without issues...
Surely it can do the job also, but for a little bit more reserve I would suggest the 16 core or
36 core model.
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Re: CLOUD CORE ROUTER

Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:16 am

Hello CCR users,
can you share info about CCr's sfp leds. they are working? if yes, which ROS you are using,
if not, do you remember: it was turned off manually or automatically after upgrade.

Eg. i started to use CCR1036 with ROS 6.3, all leds was up (bright orange), after upgrade 6.3->6.12
all leds automatically was turned off. now with 6.19 the same state.
 
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Thu Nov 20, 2014 3:41 pm

Can anyone post some performance graphs for 10G SPF+?

What kind of speeds are you getting...
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Thu Dec 11, 2014 2:39 am

So made the mistake to get myself a CCR1036-8G-2S+

6.22 (3.19 firmware) *all* Ethernet ports connect at 10/Half Duplex (multiple switches/servers, multiple cables), *all* Ethernet ports receives 0 frames/packets according to Interface statistics.

Upgraded to 6.23 (3.20 firmware) *exactly* the same issue.

Nice. I have a USD1K door stop... :-x
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Thu Dec 11, 2014 6:48 pm

Very useful information about CCR is available here:
http://mum.mikrotik.com/presentations/RU14/megis.pdf
Thank you. This is fantastic stuff. Where can we find more of this sort of thing? I highly suggest this is more visible to people like us browsing the forums. It actually answered a lot of my questions.
Come to the MUM, that is what it's for :)
Got yesterday a CCR-1009 8G 1SFP+1SFP and spent half an day for some documentations and manual,...
I think you are making very good products with very bad documentation,.... Why?
Some information on routerboard.com, some hints in Forum, some links to presentations,.... in my opinion this is not the best way to do marketing and improve image.
Especially for your High-End products there should be at least one CCR-WIKI chapter or topic for specifications, descriptions, links, tipps and tricks like for several other products.

Sorry for being that direct, but hopefully there will be some progress on this too,..

with best regards

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Re: CLOUD CORE ROUTER

Thu Dec 11, 2014 9:28 pm

So made the mistake to get myself a CCR1036-8G-2S+

6.22 (3.19 firmware) *all* Ethernet ports connect at 10/Half Duplex (multiple switches/servers, multiple cables), *all* Ethernet ports receives 0 frames/packets according to Interface statistics.

Upgraded to 6.23 (3.20 firmware) *exactly* the same issue.

Nice. I have a USD1K door stop... :-x

I'm having the same issue here with my CCR1036-8G-2S+. I just posted http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=92098 .
Have you been able to find a solution?

JB
 
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Re: CLOUD CORE ROUTER

Fri Jan 09, 2015 1:38 pm

Anybody with this port flapping on the CCR, can you try disabling the LCD screen, and see if anything changes at all ?
hello

we have this problem on x86 with v6.6rc1 28/10/2013 without package lcd

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Same problem on 6.24 and RB2011, about 40mbit traffic heavy cpu load, port flaps regularly every 10minutes. Downgrade to 6.20 resolve the issue. Keeping 6.24 and LCD DISABLED solves the issue too.
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Fri Jan 09, 2015 2:54 pm

[quote="infused"]Just read the new newsletter.

Are dual power supplies planned for the 36 core router? If so, when is it due? I don't really want to down grade. But it's always bugged me the 'carrier' router never had dual PSU's.





About the double power supply it is still available from RB1100, use one 230V power cord + POE on the POE port... violà!
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Re: CLOUD CORE ROUTER

Sun Mar 15, 2015 12:17 am

Did anyone experience problem with reboot device?

http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=94928
 
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Re: CLOUD CORE ROUTER

Fri May 29, 2015 11:44 am

Dear Normis!

The CCR-1036 support SO-DIMM ECC RAM memory ?
(...like: Kingston SO-DIMM 8 GB ECC DDR3-1333 x2)

What type of SO-DIMM memory is the best for the CCR-1036 ?
(ECC vs. NON ECC, 1333MHz vs. 1600MHz)

Please help choosing between these...

Thx.

Attila
The Tilera CPU supports it from the DDR3 controllers onboars, so it should work.
The Tilera CPU supports it, but motherboard - not supports. This document describes differences of pinouts ECC and not-ECC SoDIMM. So i was trying set up the modules KVR13LSE9S8/4 in my CCR1036-12G-4S and router does not work with them. Wrote this because could not found information about support ECC in CCR routers.
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