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New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:38 am
by nz_monkey
Wow a lot of new products announced at the Europe MUM. Mikrotik have been very busy.

I'll put the best first... :)

CCR1036-8G-2S+ - 10Gigabit CCR, 2x SFP+, 8x Gigabit Ethernet, 36 Core Tilera, 16GB RAM, 28Gbit throughput, 42 Million PPS, Available June

CRS - Cloud Router Switch, RouterBoard 9xx series device with 24 switched Gigabit ports (switch chip), runs RouterOS, 1x SFP. Available in IN (desktop) and RM (Rackmount) models. Also a wireless model is available. Available May

RB911G - Compact CPE/AP, Gigabit Ethernet, Metal Shielded RJ45, Integrated 2Ghz OR 5Ghz radio, 600Mhz Atheros CPU. Available April

RB912G - Compact CPE/AP, Gigabit Ethernet, Metal Shielded RJ45, Integrated 2Ghz OR 5Ghz radio, Mini PCI-e, SIM slot, 600Mhz Atheros CPU. Available April

RB912G Outdoor - The above but in a really nice outdoor case, SMA connectors soldered to board, pole or DIN rail mount. Available April

Sextant G - Sextant with RB911G inside. Available April

CCR Extended Ram - Normal CCR with more RAM (16GB).

R11E-2HND - 2Ghz Mini PCI-e, 800mw, u-fl connectors

R11E-HPND - 2Ghz or 5Ghz models, 1watt, MMCX connectors, nice big heatsink

RB14EU - PCI-e to 4x Mini PCI-e converter. Allows use of WiFi/3G cards in a x86 PC. has USB passthrough to allow 3G to work. Available June

SXTHG - High Gain SXT, 17.4dB antenna, more directional, 1 watt, Gigabit ethernet (metal shield), 5Ghz. Available May

SXTSA - Sector Antenna SXT, 90degree sector antenna in standard SXT housing. Available May

Groove52 - Dual-band Groove with new 600Mhz Atheros CPU. Available April.

Update: Official slides http://www.mikrotik.com/download/share/hr13.pdf

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 1:17 pm
by complete2006
CRS with POE Ports?

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:33 pm
by matmor
CCR1036-8G-2S+ will be a great box to build GIG ( or 10G with SFP+ ) ethernet ring between multiples POP.

CRS will also be a great device to deliver multiple managed service at client site ( FTTB delivery of MPLS, Internet, TVIP etc ), RB2011 already do a great job, but have some limitation if you need to deliver high bandwidth link !

But what Mikrotik will need to have I think is a device with many SFP socket to put on POP side to do FTTH and FTTB.

Maybe a CCR with 10 or more SFP socket to put in POP with Mikrotik SFP and put RB260GS for FTTH or RB2011 / CRS for FTTB service delivery !

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:47 pm
by angboontiong
still no hope like RB4xx series with SFP port together with mini pci slot...

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 4:19 pm
by Chupaka
CCR1036-8G-2S+ - 10Gigabit CCR, 2x SFP+, 8x Gigabit Ethernet, 36 Core Tilera, 16GB RAM, 28Gbit throughput, 42 Million PPS, Available June
yahoo! =) do they have a sample with 10G on the MUM?

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 5:08 pm
by normis
CCR1036-8G-2S+ - 10Gigabit CCR, 2x SFP+, 8x Gigabit Ethernet, 36 Core Tilera, 16GB RAM, 28Gbit throughput, 42 Million PPS, Available June
yahoo! =) do they have a sample with 10G on the MUM?
yes we do. test running full speed. looks same as in pdf

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:07 pm
by eflanery
Any thoughts on making a CCR with more 10g ports?

Ideal for me would be one with two 10g-base-t ports (to connect to two core switches), and one SFP+ port (to connect to fiber running to another site).

--Eric

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:01 pm
by nz_monkey
Any thoughts on making a CCR with more 10g ports?

Ideal for me would be one with two 10g-base-t ports (to connect to two core switches), and one SFP+ port (to connect to fiber running to another site).

--Eric
I think Normis mentioned that there was currently a hardware limitation.

The announced model fits our immediate requirement, but we also need a model with at least 4 ports. 2 for uplinks to other sites, and 2 for links via MLAG to redundant switches.
Im sure Mikrotik are working on something.

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:06 pm
by nz_monkey
Oh,

Thanks to Mikrotik for all the hard work that has gone in to the new products. The CRS and CCR-1036-8G-2S+ are what a lot of us have been waiting for.

I like the Micro-SD card on the front of the new CCR, hopefully we see that on more products. It would be nice if we could load FW/configs from the micro-sd.

Oh, and 802.3af POE on the CRS would be REALLY useful for powering phones/IP cameras :) It would make the CRS the perfect "branch office router"

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:29 am
by angboontiong
What's the advantage for the mini-pcie wireless card?

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:43 am
by rjscomms
Hi all,

lots of good stuff in here :D

nz_monkey, knowledgeable as you are, do you have ideas as to the shape of the SXT HG? It appears to be significantly deeper than the normal SXT...perhaps some witchcraft to make it have tighter beamwidth?

Regards, Dave.

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:07 am
by nz_monkey
What's the advantage for the mini-pcie wireless card?
It is Mini PCI-e so faster than normal Mini PCI. Also it will fit in the new RB911 and RB912

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 5:00 am
by mahnet
Folks,
Why is Mikrotik focusing on more power 26 dbm .....30 dbm.... 32 dbm.
OKAY we can decrease the power to use it.

But what is Mikrotik doing to negate interference. or please can someone suggest ways for that.
That is big big trouble.

And please some new product to handle power on the routerboard.
So we can directly plug in the routerboard to Battery leads. 24Volts 60 amp should be good enough to give 48hrs backup on a RB711/911/Groove/SXT/411 etc.

Regards,

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:39 pm
by helectro
Great Job!!
for me that I liked the
RB912G OUTDOOR-- (have metal shield?),
R11E-HPND- ( Maybe someday, you can put in 433 dual core)
CRS

But, were in debt. a more directional antenna cpe +21 db. :(
SXT HG (just out of curiosity Why do that much work to making equipment with just 1db more? )

Sorry my little English

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:49 pm
by n21roadie
What's the advantage for the mini-pcie wireless card?
It is Mini PCI-e so faster than normal Mini PCI. Also it will fit in the new RB911 and RB912
Is there comparsions available for this?

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:59 pm
by normis
that much work to making equipment with just 1db more? )
dBi is only the gain. antenna has a lot of other improvements, smoother frequency curve etc

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:54 pm
by n21roadie
that much work to making equipment with just 1db more? )
dBi is only the gain. antenna has a lot of other improvements, smoother frequency curve etc
Does the "smoother frequency curve " apply to both transmit and receive bandwidth and are they equal or do we have different frequency bandwidth curve for transmit and different frequency curve for receive, like the question i asked in my post
http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php ... +bandwidth

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 5:56 am
by treichhart1
On the new rb912G whats the memory on it?

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 9:51 am
by honzam
On the new rb912G whats the memory on it?
64MB

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:23 am
by ohara
On the new rb912G whats the memory on it?
64MB
Does it have voltage monitor?

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 3:32 pm
by raz
oh yeah 10 GbE SFP+ :D

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 3:58 pm
by normis

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 11:22 pm
by honzam
On the new rb912G whats the memory on it?
64MB
Does it have voltage monitor?
We dont have full specification. But i think - No voltage monitor
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid= ... =1&theater

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 11:49 pm
by nz_monkey
do you have ideas as to the shape of the SXT HG? It appears to be significantly deeper than the normal SXT...perhaps some witchcraft to make it have tighter beamwidth?
Hi Dave,

I am just guessing here, while the antenna gain is not significantly higher than the previous model, it is most likely more focused and has a more linear performance across the frequency band.

It would be nice to get some internal photos of the SXTHG and then we can really see what is going on.

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:49 am
by normis
YES it has voltage monitor and temperature monitor.

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:11 am
by honzam
YES it has voltage monitor and temperature monitor.
Can you give us full specs?

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:25 am
by normis
what else is missing ?

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:59 am
by n21roadie
SXTHG- High Gain SXT, 17.4dB antenna, more directional, 1 watt, Gigabit ethernet (metal shield), 5Ghz. Available May
Is there pictures available for both outside + inside of this unit?

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:16 am
by normis
SXTHG- High Gain SXT, 17.4dB antenna, more directional, 1 watt, Gigabit ethernet (metal shield), 5Ghz. Available May
Is there pictures available for both outside + inside of this unit?
I will make pictures when we have a production model available.

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 3:30 pm
by voxframe
Any throughput or detailed specs on the CRS?

I love the idea of this! But I am worried about the throughput since it is based on 9X series.
(The name "Cloud" on it is VERY misleading as it shares none of the architecture of the "CloudCore")

I love the idea, but I am worried it will not be able to deliver serious throughput.

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 3:31 pm
by normis
Any throughput or detailed specs on the CRS?

I love the idea of this! But I am worried about the throughput since it is based on 9X series.
(The name "Cloud" on it is VERY misleading as it shares none of the architecture of the "CloudCore")

I love the idea, but I am worried it will not be able to deliver serious throughput.
This is a switch. Performance is wire speed. CPU has no effect on it. The CPU is there only to run the RouterOS based wireless AP/router. But you can just use it as a switch, without utilizing any of the router features. then it will run at full speed just like a switch shoud.

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 3:48 pm
by macgaiver
Any throughput or detailed specs on the CRS?

I love the idea of this! But I am worried about the throughput since it is based on 9X series.
(The name "Cloud" on it is VERY misleading as it shares none of the architecture of the "CloudCore")

I love the idea, but I am worried it will not be able to deliver serious throughput.
This is typical 2-in-1 product - 25port Smart Switch combined with RB911G-2HnD, so you can do all the things that were able to do with each of these devices separately and then there is additional things that you get by combining it.

So while switching you get "switch performance" = "wire speed", when routing,bridging you will get RB911G performance (that is limited to 1Gbps full duplex).

This will eliminate a lots of devices in small offices - imagine to have AP device/router for 500Mbps uplink and Smart Switch all-in-one device

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 3:40 pm
by voxframe
My worry is how the switch functionality will handle under heavy load.

(Perhaps this is no longer a problem these days)

I just know of some switches, when under heavy load, turn into a hub and do not "switch" packets any more.
I believe this is no longer the case with any modern switch?

In a simpler question, what advantage would I have with this the CSR over a 2000$ HP procurve switch with the same amount of ports?
In "theory" will the CSR be able to handle just as much throughput as a switch (No routing, etc)?

Last question, can ALL the ports be switched? Or are they broken up into smaller switch "groups" like the RB-1100?
If that is the case then the groups need to be bridged in ROS, and this can be a problem for performance as it now needs to pass through the CPU, if my understanding is correct.

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 4:24 pm
by matmor
In a simpler question, what advantage would I have with this the CSR over a 2000$ HP procurve switch with the same amount of ports?
In "theory" will the CSR be able to handle just as much throughput as a switch (No routing, etc)?
Maybe ask Mikrotik what will be the limit of MAC Address on the CRS switch chip ( If you have more host that the limit, it will act as a HUB ) ?

Do you have detail of the switch chips of the CRS ( Mac Adresse Limit, Vlan Limit etc ) ?
There is no info for the CRS on http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Sw ... p_Features

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 2:35 am
by Neilson
Mikrotik replied before that it is a single switch chip in the CRS with all ports connected.

I do not have any details about the MAC address limit.

The routerOS software just runs to manage winbox and the wireless (in that model)

I want to hear if we can use all the switch chip VLAN features that we can in the 450G and 750G. Also hoping Mikrotik make a winbox gui for that thats easier to operate to make the trunk and access ports and the tagging / untagging.

Regards
Alexander

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:43 am
by snons
Mikrotik replied before that it is a single switch chip in the CRS with all ports connected.
It would be great to know which vendor/chipset is being used...

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 2:44 am
by Neilson
Mikrotik would need to say what they are using to get a formal confirmation.

But maybe it would be this chip / range of chips:

http://www.convergedigest.com/2012/12/q ... eless.html

high port count switch and integrated wireless?

May be a little too soon for this to be included but the in theory is quite cool.

Regards
Alexander

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:53 pm
by nz_monkey
The smart money would be on the CRS using the QCA871x/QCA851x chipsets

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:52 pm
by raz
What about Prices of the SFP+ Router? Why only 32 Cores and not the 72 Core Tilera?

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:06 pm
by taduikis
RouterOS is okay. But the other welcome features on CRS would be: per-port configuration and monitoring, DHCP Option 82, DHCP snooping prevention, VLAN support, forwarding between ports control, ACL, loopback detection, multicast filtering, etc.. In general - all the stuff that's required & important for FTTB deployment. If in future MikroTik will remember The Dude, all current MikroTik-made hardware would 100% serve most small to mid sized ISPs/WISPs with stability, powerful monitoring, convenient support and control. And all that for extremely reasonable price.

Guys, it's seems that you're going the right way, but you need to act faster. So, good luck!

And BTW, The Dude.. :)

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 1:22 pm
by n21roadie
SXTHG- High Gain SXT, 17.4dB antenna, more directional, 1 watt, Gigabit ethernet (metal shield), 5Ghz. Available May
Is there pictures available for both outside + inside of this unit?
I will make pictures when we have a production model available.
Still waiting for those pictures of the SXTHG - Normis you know my concerns and issue (water ingress) on the SXT?

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:41 pm
by uebi
Are there any news about CCR1036-8G-2S+ (should be available in June according to the croatian MUM presentation) or the CRS125-24G1S-RM (should be available in May according to the croatian MUM presentation)? Price? Availability? New dates? Anything?


KR,
uebi

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:41 pm
by normis
Any moment now :)

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 4:14 pm
by sguox
arhhwwoooo, SFP+......*slurp...

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 8:50 pm
by raz
and what about Cloud Router Switch ???

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 12:55 am
by w0lt
Are there any news about CCR1036-8G-2S+ (should be available in June according to the croatian MUM presentation) or the CRS125-24G1S-RM (should be available in May according to the croatian MUM presentation)? Price? Availability? New dates? Anything?

Available in May of what year? :-) :-)

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 8:01 am
by nz_monkey
Are there any news about CCR1036-8G-2S+ (should be available in June according to the croatian MUM presentation) or the CRS125-24G1S-RM (should be available in May according to the croatian MUM presentation)? Price? Availability? New dates? Anything?


KR,
uebi

Expected late June through to mid July.

We have a couple on pre-order for testing.

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 3:38 pm
by hz033
SXTSA - Sector Antenna SXT, 90degree sector antenna in standard SXT housing. Available May

This device not available yet!?

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 5:14 pm
by uebi
Are there any news about CCR1036-8G-2S+ (should be available in June according to the croatian MUM presentation) or the CRS125-24G1S-RM (should be available in May according to the croatian MUM presentation)? Price? Availability? New dates? Anything?


KR,
uebi

I have to quote myself... Any news?

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 9:02 pm
by keoanu
Are there any news about CCR1036-8G-2S+ (should be available in June according to the croatian MUM presentation) or the CRS125-24G1S-RM (should be available in May according to the croatian MUM presentation)? Price? Availability? New dates? Anything?


KR,
uebi
I have to quote myself... Any news?
Hi,
according to the MUM presentation (direct link you find here: http://mum.mikrotik.com/presentations/ZA13/sergejs.pdf ) in South Africa in July 2013 (http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Events) should be released:
  • CCR1036-8G-2S+ in August 2013 (page 34)
  • CRS125-24G1S-RM in September 2013 (pages 31,32)

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 10:43 pm
by honzam
Are there any news about CCR1036-8G-2S+ (should be available in June according to the croatian MUM presentation) or the CRS125-24G1S-RM (should be available in May according to the croatian MUM presentation)? Price? Availability? New dates? Anything?


KR,
uebi

I have to quote myself... Any news?
http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php ... 32#p380830

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:58 am
by uebi
Are there any news about CCR1036-8G-2S+ (should be available in June according to the croatian MUM presentation) or the CRS125-24G1S-RM (should be available in May according to the croatian MUM presentation)? Price? Availability? New dates? Anything?


KR,
uebi

I have to quote myself... Any news?
http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php ... 32#p380830

Thanks!
Anxiously waiting for the new date MikroTik will announce in September... ;-)


KR,
uebi

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:58 pm
by raz
in dat pdf is a text it says, "up to 64 cpu cores". i want a ccr with 16 gb ram and 2 - 4x 64 cpu. go mikrotik. go! then i can say good bye cisco and bye bye juniper.

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 3:20 pm
by AlArenal
in dat pdf is a text it says, "up to 64 cpu cores". i want a ccr with 16 gb ram and 2 - 4x 64 cpu. go mikrotik. go! then i can say good bye cisco and bye bye juniper.
I can't believe you'd really need that - and without 10GB-Ports. I reckon that more optimizations in RouterOS would do the trick. But a 16, 36 or 64 core CPU is a whole lotta different beast than a single and dual core CPU. It's not just about switching to a more current kernel (which has been done with ROS6). Just ask the game developers that scratched their heads when they had to port their Intel based stuff onto the Playstation 3 (Cell CPU with 7 cores)......

Re: New Hardware! - EU MUM 2013

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 6:06 pm
by raz
in dat pdf is a text it says, "up to 64 cpu cores". i want a ccr with 16 gb ram and 2 - 4x 64 cpu. go mikrotik. go! then i can say good bye cisco and bye bye juniper.
I can't believe you'd really need that - and without 10GB-Ports. I reckon that more optimizations in RouterOS would do the trick. But a 16, 36 or 64 core CPU is a whole lotta different beast than a single and dual core CPU. It's not just about switching to a more current kernel (which has been done with ROS6). Just ask the game developers that scratched their heads when they had to port their Intel based stuff onto the Playstation 3 (Cell CPU with 7 cores)......
The current Bottleneck is pps, im using the CCR with an BGP Session, and in the whole Internet are too much fucking Kiddies, they kill rly often my CCR with TCP-SYN Flood. In this Case: >350k pps w spoofed Senders kill the CCR. So, there is a need for more CPU Power, or MiktroTiK give more Priority to a better Routing Engine, they can handle massive Packets per Second. No UDP dont count.

The Problem is here with Backlog of the Kernel, they fuckup and crash the CCR, and yes then the BGP Session flapps much times, and some TIER I Upstreams gonna Blacklist me. This Problem dont exist on a Juniper MX40 and above, maybe the eol m7i can handle this too. but MT have to optimize the Software, i would pay more Money if they do. Yes there is a huge Market for MT.