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Re: MUM Europe 2014 - Italy, Venice, February 20-21

Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:47 pm

special mAP feature, it stores the packages in RAM during upgrade.
Nice! I can't wait for this device!
So final questions are: when? what's the price? :)
 
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Re: MUM Europe 2014 - Italy, Venice, February 20-21

Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:43 pm

New brochure with mAP and others: http://download2.mikrotik.com/2014-Q1.pdf
No mention for CCR1009 so I guess it will bring it to Q2 2014?
 
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Re: MUM Europe 2014 - Italy, Venice, February 20-21

Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:45 pm

New brochure with mAP and others: http://download2.mikrotik.com/2014-Q1.pdf
No mention for CCR1009 so I guess it will bring it to Q2 2014?
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Re: MUM Europe 2014 - Italy, Venice, February 20-21

Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:41 pm

I hope if Tilera finally goes 28nm and Mikrotik finishes debugging RouterOS 6 soon, there will be something small and fanless next year like CCR1048-12G-4S+UP-52ac-IN
Or perhaps CCR1042-12G-3S+UP-52ac-IN, since I think it will be hard to make fanless with only one node shrink, unless some LP process is used maybe (which might impose some additional cores).

If 52 is not simultaneous or ac, I don't care about the wireless.
 
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Re: MUM Europe 2014 - Italy, Venice, February 20-21

Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:30 pm

Will the new RB850Gx2 support MetaRouter?

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Re: MUM Europe 2014 - Italy, Venice, February 20-21

Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:43 pm

New brochure with mAP and others: http://download2.mikrotik.com/2014-Q1.pdf
No mention for CCR1009 so I guess it will bring it to Q2 2014?
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Re: MUM Europe 2014 - Italy, Venice, February 20-21

Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:13 pm

Does the RB850Gx2 have 500mhz or 400mhz processor?

MUM slides say 500mhz but product brochure says 400mhz
 
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Re: MUM Europe 2014 - Italy, Venice, February 20-21

Tue Feb 25, 2014 9:23 am

Does the RB850Gx2 have 500mhz or 400mhz processor?

MUM slides say 500mhz but product brochure says 400mhz
RAM frequency is 400MHz, CPU is 500MHz, it was a mistake in the brochure. We will fix the online version.
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Re: MUM Europe 2014 - Italy, Venice, February 20-21

Tue Feb 25, 2014 11:09 am

RAM frequency is 400MHz, CPU is 500MHz, it was a mistake in the brochure. We will fix the online version.
Is flash size 128mb also mistake? rb450g had 512mb ... a successor would be expected to have same or better characteristics ... more ram is welcome.

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Re: MUM Europe 2014 - Italy, Venice, February 20-21

Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:59 pm

special mAP feature, it stores the packages in RAM during upgrade.
Cool, so a initrd style compressed root ?
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Re: MUM Europe 2014 - Italy, Venice, February 20-21

Wed Feb 26, 2014 12:50 pm

All wating for the Mikrotik AC platform
Perhaps a miniPCIe card made by MikroTik for the new
MikroTik RB953GS-5HnT that adds the 802.ac standard?

- RB850Gx2
I think many of the customers will be happy to hear something
about that device! And I agree well done Mikrotik.

- CCR1072
I cant await to this router in action,
ideal for 10 GBit/s Uplinks and LAGs (LACP)
or uplinking to some switch stacks or many
single switches.

- CAPs Manager
Would be awesome to handle better great wlan
instalments with many wireless access points.
CCR with 72 cores makes no sense to me,
Really? I thought it would be really powerful enough to handle
many or more 10 GBit/s uplinks or WAN interfaces, do you think
the CCR1036 is powerful enough to handle those load?
Massively DPI and VPN handling would also be a choice for
this router.
unless mikrotik is planing to deploy some kind of IDS/IPS solution (perhaps suricata?)... that would make it a very very very interesting unit.
+ 5 very welcome also here, and on top something that is strong enough
to handle deep packet inspection but not pulling down the CPU.
Also a load balancer or Queue handler to hold many many many queues.
Or all together :D
Is flash size 128mb also mistake?
I really hope not and the Metarouter feature must be also there
where we leave it ;-)
rb450g had 512mb ... a successor would be expected to have same or better characteristics ... more ram is welcome.
+ 500 from me for that!
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Re: MUM Europe 2014 - Italy, Venice, February 20-21

Wed Feb 26, 2014 3:15 pm

RAM frequency is 400MHz, CPU is 500MHz, it was a mistake in the brochure. We will fix the online version.
Is flash size 128mb also mistake? rb450g had 512mb ... a successor would be expected to have same or better characteristics ... more ram is welcome.

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Alright, we have heard you, and RB850Gx2 will have 512MB NAND also
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Re: MUM Europe 2014 - Italy, Venice, February 20-21

Wed Feb 26, 2014 4:14 pm

Well, that was quick :P
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Re: MUM Europe 2014 - Italy, Venice, February 20-21

Wed Feb 26, 2014 5:27 pm

Good day Normis,

Interesting products - can't wait to put some in the field.

(Forgive me for being the pariah here, what does concern me however is that given spectrum constraints it may be difficult to make full use of all this processing power) :(

My ultimate question is... :D - Will there be any thoughts/development surrounding (ftth) GEPON or GPON based products in the near/medium future? I.e. Gepon sfp modules, OLT's or OLU's .

Any insight/info would be appreciated.
 
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Re: MUM Europe 2014 - Italy, Venice, February 20-21

Wed Feb 26, 2014 6:16 pm

Alright, we have heard you, and RB850Gx2 will have 512MB NAND also
Super, it really should be as JanezFord was explaining it, a small Openwrt or a tiny
asterisk installation in metarouter wiuld be very welcome at the RB450G and so the
following router or replacement model should have also the same or more RAM inside!

Thanks very much for this information related to the brand new RB850Gx2!♬ :D
My ultimate question is... :D - Will there be any thoughts/development surrounding (ftth) GEPON or GPON based products in the near/medium future? I.e. Gepon sfp modules, OLT's or OLU's .
Is there not a solution (Finisar SFP with GEPON) out that will be running under RouterOS?
I mean all peoples are talking about but until now I was not seeing anyone who was buying
an testing on of this Finisair SFP tranceivers out, but should this be a solution.
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Re: MUM Europe 2014 - Italy, Venice, February 20-21

Wed Feb 26, 2014 11:27 pm

Alright, we have heard you, and RB850Gx2 will have 512MB NAND also
So, maybe mAP should have some more NAND, too? I guess that doubling the storage size would make price higher by one dolar but will give us peace of mind. If I sell hundreds of this devices I will worry about APs filling it's storage. Peace of mind and stability are worth more then dolar :). MikroTik devices are already freaking cheap (comparing to other vendors) so You don't have to fight for every cent. :)
 
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Re: MUM Europe 2014 - Italy, Venice, February 20-21

Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:52 am

If I sell hundreds of this devices I will worry about APs filling it's storage. Peace of mind and stability are worth more then dolar :).
More than 20 € I will pay more for those edge data.
MikroTik devices are already freaking cheap (comparing to other vendors)
But in my eyes this money counting is done from the false side!
Many peoples I really good know are thinking a router for 30 € are a cheap device,
but this is only the half or better not the true.

1 CCR1036-8G-4S EM for 1500 € is running 5 years in a company with 200 employees.

5 years x 12 month = 60 month
1500 € : 60 month = 25 € : 200 employees = 12,5 Euro cent for each nose and ten years
This is a cheap router in my eyes!
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Re: MUM Europe 2014 - Italy, Venice, February 20-21

Thu Feb 27, 2014 2:15 am

Any word on hardware NAT?
 
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Re: MUM Europe 2014 - Italy, Venice, February 20-21

Thu Feb 27, 2014 11:29 am

a small Openwrt or a tiny
asterisk installation in metarouter wiuld be very welcome at the RB450G and so the
following router or replacement model should have also the same or more RAM inside!

Thanks very much for this information related to the brand new RB850Gx2!♬ :D
RB850Gx2 is dual-core, so I assume chances are metarouter will not be supported on this board.
 
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Re: MUM Europe 2014 - Italy, Venice, February 20-21

Thu Feb 27, 2014 12:13 pm

a small Openwrt or a tiny
asterisk installation in metarouter wiuld be very welcome at the RB450G and so the
following router or replacement model should have also the same or more RAM inside!

Thanks very much for this information related to the brand new RB850Gx2!♬ :D
RB850Gx2 is dual-core, so I assume chances are metarouter will not be supported on this board.
Perhaps you are right with this but a more powerful board isn´t supporting
metarouter and the lower powered board does?

Could be that I am wrong now with my thinking but in my eyes it
should be that the following device or so called replacement device
should have the same feature setup or functions that customers
will be able to settle from the older to the newer device without any
pain and/or new opened "problems" so it would be ensured that the
new device would be also smooth running on the sales and customers
get more and not less with a newer device.

Ok surely only in my poor opinion.
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Re: MUM Europe 2014 - Italy, Venice, February 20-21

Thu Feb 27, 2014 3:04 pm

Nick, nobody stops you from entering and leaving the conference room. The agenda plan is updated all the time, and is located next to the door. It would be impolite to stop the presenter mid-sentence, they are not professional speakers, they are regular users with no special presenting skills. Nobody can blame them for being nervous and taking less or more time than estimated. If you want professional speakers to be on stage, the event would be quite different, and not technical.
It's been my first MUM and I was glad I've finally found time to join one! (That was no too much travel too!)
I do agree with normiss what he says here, but I also agree that 45 mins for most speakers in not enough, or they actually waiste first 10 mins in having the business talk or showing where they came from... that can all be omitted and yes, a bit more regulation could be of use here.
But than again, I have been with other events of same or different nature and basically speakers almost always use more time than assigned... I'll guess its human nature....

One suggestion I really would like to make is: 'workshops'. (Not 'courses'. Way too expensive!)

With the amount of listeners, interested or not, to nowadays presentations the more 'in-depth' interested party that really would like to discuss the subject in more detail has either no change or is delaying the presentation even more.
To find the presentator after his session to speak with him is sometimes impossible or at least difficult.
I think to give the MUM a more interest towards the 'skilled' user is to have special workshops for dedicated corners of the (inter-)network world with MT in special.
These workshops should be attended by no more than 20-30 people for instance and might last up to 2-3 hours or so to have plenty of time to discuss with tutor/presentator the subject in more detail. People should enlist at forehand (registration! If it shows big demand a workshop could even be repeated each day) and these workshops should be held in separate rooms with special notification what the workshop is all about at the entrance's door. (To keep the not interested out.)
One other advantage of such 'small classes type' of workshops would be that it would make it much more easier to get in touch to that fellow participant that happens to be interested in the same field as you. This way it would make it much easier to find the contact you are looking for.
Now I just see about a thousand attendants but I have no clue what sfere of interest has the guy in front of me....
It would be so nice to get to speak to this guy that just is having the same issue, or solution, as I have/am looking for. During small classroom stile workshops the change I will meet that other person of my interest is soo much bigger.... :D

I have seen this in some other vendors events and it makes these much more interesting.... You can really build a discussion with other people or presentator in the specific field of interest and the ones not interested should not attend. This would attrackt more 'skilled' users to the event and more knowledge will be spread amongst us users.....

Other suggestion I would like to make:
- More space for vendors/bigger exhibition. MT should promote/approach more vendors to join. The more to see the more interesting the more people will join. I understood the one in Venice was good but to be honest, after 3 or 4 hours walking around I've seen it all and was just waiting for the next interesting lecture in the main hall.

- I saw some people bringing their partners but not so much towards the event itself. Understandable. Maybe it is an idea to organise some trips for the partners (probably all female) during the days of the event. This will probably attract more wifes/girlfriends and therefore more visitors.
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Re: MUM Europe 2014 - Italy, Venice, February 20-21

Thu Feb 27, 2014 3:05 pm

Thanks for feedback, Rudy!
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Re: MUM Europe 2014 - Italy, Venice, February 20-21

Thu Feb 27, 2014 3:53 pm

Thanks for feedback, Rudy!
Another one; Sevilla, Madrid or Barcelona are nice too! Beuatifull towns for the wifes and good (and cheap!) transport at relative short traveltimes for Europe members.
When do we see a MUM in our region? :D
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Re: MUM Europe 2014 - Italy, Venice, February 20-21

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Thanks for feedback, Rudy!
Another one; Sevilla, Madrid or Barcelona are nice too! Beuatifull towns for the wifes and good (and cheap!) transport at relative short traveltimes for Europe members.
When do we see a MUM in our region? :D
We actually have an idea in one of those places for 2015. We will look for appropriate venues. If price and availability is right, maybe we will come to España :)
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Re: MUM Europe 2014 - Italy, Venice, February 20-21

Thu Feb 27, 2014 5:25 pm

Will the RB850Gx2 handle 1gbps routing through pppoe ?

The biggest Romanian ISP just released nation wide 1gbps internet and there's a lot of people looking for a 1gbps capable router. Right now the only options are some tp-link and asus models that offer hardware acceleration for 100-300$.

I think there's a big market for a 951g like router with dual band wifi and hardware acceleration.
 
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Re: MUM Europe 2014 - Italy, Venice, February 20-21

Thu Feb 27, 2014 6:49 pm

Beuatifull towns for the wifes and good (and cheap!)
If this should be the main point related to the circumstances
where the next MuM will be made or organized, I will be sure
that next one will be in Thailand, Bangkok, Pattaya, Koh Samui, Phuket.

Not bad, not bad Rudy, you will not only think on our equipment and
wireless stuff you will also thinking to out soul! :lol:
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Thu Feb 27, 2014 8:06 pm

Beautifull towns for the wifes and good (and cheap!)
If this should be the main point related to the circumstances
where the next MuM will be made or organized, I will be sure
that next one will be in Thailand, Bangkok, Pattaya, Koh Samui, Phuket.

Not bad, not bad Rudy, you will not only think on our equipment and
wireless stuff you will also thinking to out soul! :lol:
Well, the sentence was; "Beuatifull towns for the wifes and good (and cheap) transport."
I doubt if flying for us from Europe to these east asian destination will work out as 'cheap' allthough there will be many holiday arrangements in that direction.

The idea is more that West Europe hemisphere is also lacking MUM events. Venice so far is the most western imho while I know that special in Spain and Portugal are many Mikrotik users as in the rest of north europe. Flights from the North European countries into 'holiday country' Spain are amongst the cheapest you can get in Europe.
For the cost of my roundtrip ticket to Venice (from Alicante) I can buy 3 or 4 roundtrips to most airports in the UK, Holland, Germany of France!

Barcelona, Madrid or Sevilla are definately ranking high on many wife's wish list to spend a long weekend after the mum with there partner.
I had one of the best weekend for years in Venice with my wife during 'Carnaval de Venice'! Even my wife now thanks me for beeing a Mikrotik enthousiast! :D
We are already looking ahead for the next 'suitable' MUM event! 8)
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Re: MUM Europe 2014 - Italy, Venice, February 20-21

Fri Feb 28, 2014 12:17 am

I think there's a big market for a 951g like router with dual band wifi and hardware acceleration.
Would a RB953GS-5HnT not better match for this field and customers?
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Re: MUM Europe 2014 - Italy, Venice, February 20-21

Fri Feb 28, 2014 9:45 am

New brochure with mAP and others: http://download2.mikrotik.com/2014-Q1.pdf
Thanks for brochure. On page 38 is CCR1072-1G-8S+ but on photo is ccr1016
page was there due to a mistake. we will remove it.
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Re: MUM Europe 2014 - Italy, Venice, February 20-21

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Today (28.02.2014) downloaded PDF:
Model RB850Gx2
CPU P1023 400MHz
Amazon cloud is propogating it now, should be updated in a few minutes.
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@wirelessrudy
It was a joke rudy, what interests me wife if new routers comes out!
And by the way I want see the grounding of your RB1000 life! :wink:
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is there a release period for the new CCR 1072?

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Re: MUM Europe 2014 - Italy, Venice, February 20-21

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Hi
In pdf file from MUM italy was wrote "Beta available in the next few days, full release coming in a few weeks" . I read that "next few days" concerns " private beta" . What it means "private beta" ? closed audience ? Can I get a version of the test ?

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where will you can download beta versions of routeros with caps manager?
from official page ? http://www.mikrotik.com/download ?

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Like it was announced, beta will follow in a "few weeks time"
 
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Re: MUM Europe 2014 - Italy, Venice, February 20-21

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Hi
In pdf file from MUM italy was wrote "Beta available in the next few days, full release coming in a few weeks" . I read that "next few days" concerns " private beta" . What it means "private beta" ? closed audience ? Can I get a version of the test ?

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from official page ? http://www.mikrotik.com/download ?

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Private beta means invitation only. Once people have found the most obvious problems, we will release a public test package.
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Re: MUM Europe 2014 - Italy, Venice, February 20-21

Mon Mar 10, 2014 2:27 pm

Any more details about the RB850Gx2?
I started a thread here: http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=82684
 
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Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:27 am

No word on 802.11ac :(

If there would be shares I would sell it immediately.
At the MUM I heard some, off the record.... We have to be patient, as usual....
Hopefully not too long. I could really use some of these. Now trying to get them somewhere else. But that´s hard to find. I won't settle for less than 25dBm per chain....

I think anyway with the new regulations in place we should be getting 30dBm+ cards coming. 33, or 36dBm.... :D
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Thu Mar 13, 2014 12:32 pm

No word on 802.11ac :(

If there would be shares I would sell it immediately.
At the MUM I heard some, off the record.... We have to be patient, as usual....
Hopefully not too long. I could really use some of these. Now trying to get them somewhere else. But that´s hard to find. I won't settle for less than 25dBm per chain....

I think anyway with the new regulations in place we should be getting 30dBm+ cards coming. 33, or 36dBm.... :D
With the announced 30db Antenna you dont need that much power to get a 256qam link working.
 
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I think anyway with the new regulations in place we should be getting 30dBm+ cards coming. 33, or 36dBm.... :D
You've new regulations in spain?
 
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Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:49 pm

yep, new band extension and up to 4W!
This is Spanish document, but I'll think it counts for the whole of Europe...

Regarding the ac cards. The wisper was not about the power. The wisper was about some testing.....

But yes, high power ac card, possibly even triple chain, would give you the option to make stable high throughput backbone links even in congested spectrum situations.
Off course it will never beat licensed (=$$$$) links but for a fraction of the price you get something almost performing the same....
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Thu Mar 13, 2014 5:43 pm

yep, new band extension and up to 4W!
This is Spanish document, but I'll think it counts for the whole of Europe...

Regarding the ac cards. The wisper was not about the power. The wisper was about some testing.....

But yes, high power ac card, possibly even triple chain, would give you the option to make stable high throughput backbone links even in congested spectrum situations.
Off course it will never beat licensed (=$$$$) links but for a fraction of the price you get something almost performing the same....
Cant find any official statement on this. We've the upper band usable in germany with
atpc/dfs/4W Eirp but nothing around channel 80.

dfs needs some advanced radar detection and atpc has a wider regulation range. So using it with MT and correct setting
it reduces power to a minimum.
 
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RequisitosTecnicosLegalesAslan2013.pdf
That's the whole document. Its done by an engineer of the official IT engineers college. They refer to some of the relative Spanish decrees. I think they know what they put down in a document to publish...

I heard it before it was going to happen, but it looks like its already approved.
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dfs needs some advanced radar detection and atpc has a wider regulation range. So using it with MT and correct setting
it reduces power to a minimum.
Well, put it this way; If tomorrow all Spanish Wisps would be forced to use their radios according regulations I'll bet 80% ceased by the end of the month.
Just look at how the ubnt networks (95% of the networks nowadays use ubnt in Spain) work and perform. They do good, but only because they use way higher eirp than allowed. To stay within regulations almost all WISPs have to tune down their power outputs and thus loose the mayority of their clients.....
Similar story for radar detection and power control. If everybody really would use it it becomes unworkable. (And by the way, I don't know if that has been changed, but I tried the 'radar' option with MT once, years ago, and found it only does do the test if the board starts up. After that, as soon as the radio is running no more radar. So what is the use of that. If that is not changed since, probably MT's DFS is not even approved....)

And what to think about the new 2,4Ghz antenna's that are con¡ming on the market? MT is coming up with a 3Watt (!!!) 2,4Ghz antenna! What? Yes. 35dBm combined with a 17dBi antenna.... It comes with a sign that warns of birds in front! :lol:
Where is that allowed? As far as I know there is not a country in the world were this is legal. "But you have to set your radio according national regulations!" yeah, yeah. And Elvis Presley is not dead, he is still alive... :(

I think I feel pity for you if you're in North Europe. Because there probably you do have a 'spectrum police' that is active. But you know how things are, the further south....... :o
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Hi Normis

Lots of exciting products on the list, it certainly looks like you guys are streamlining your prototype to production methods to keep rolling the products out faster.

Is the vision for CAPS simply for management purposes (which clearly its going to save a lot of time for), or is it also there a road map to bring on 802.11r support in your APs so that you can compete in mid-level enterprise wireless as well? I understand if the intention is also not to have it, but it obviously, you now have the framework once you are using AP controller where all the packets come directly to.

I'm also not sure if the Atheros quality of compatibility is up there as it is with enterprise focused APs like Rukus,Cisco and HPs... but maybe from your point of view they are getting there too? (Atheros works great on many things, but some phones and tablets seem to have dropping issues that other APs dont have a problem with - just an issue of cross vendor compatibility).

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Hi Normis

Lots of exciting products on the list, it certainly looks like you guys are streamlining your prototype to production methods to keep rolling the products out faster.

Is the vision for CAPS simply for management purposes (which clearly its going to save a lot of time for), or is it also there a road map to bring on 802.11r support in your APs so that you can compete in mid-level enterprise wireless as well? I understand if the intention is also not to have it, but it obviously, you now have the framework once you are using AP controller where all the packets come directly to.

I'm also not sure if the Atheros quality of compatibility is up there as it is with enterprise focused APs like Rukus,Cisco and HPs... but maybe from your point of view they are getting there too? (Atheros works great on many things, but some phones and tablets seem to have dropping issues that other APs dont have a problem with - just an issue of cross vendor compatibility).

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Hi Normis

Lots of exciting products on the list, it certainly looks like you guys are streamlining your prototype to production methods to keep rolling the products out faster.

Is the vision for CAPS simply for management purposes (which clearly its going to save a lot of time for), or is it also there a road map to bring on 802.11r support in your APs so that you can compete in mid-level enterprise wireless as well? I understand if the intention is also not to have it, but it obviously, you now have the framework once you are using AP controller where all the packets come directly to.

I'm also not sure if the Atheros quality of compatibility is up there as it is with enterprise focused APs like Rukus,Cisco and HPs... but maybe from your point of view they are getting there too? (Atheros works great on many things, but some phones and tablets seem to have dropping issues that other APs dont have a problem with - just an issue of cross vendor compatibility).

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Ok, thanks for getting back to me. obviously its more a "what can be done from investigation / research" process, now that the controller is ready. I know you guys certainly wont commit to anything just yet, but I was wondering: I assume you would need different access points in for thinks likes 802.11r (Or do some of the chipsets you have already actually support .11r but you've never had the controller to do the job).
 
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CCR1072 inside :o
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I see mini-pci-express!! CCR=Fastest accesspoint available! :-P
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CCR1072 inside :o
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I see mini-pci-express!! CCR=Fastest accesspoint available! :-P
This one is only an alpha-prototype. There will be no miniPCIe on the actual product. This one is only for testing purposes.
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I'm also not sure if the Atheros quality of compatibility is up there as it is with enterprise focused APs like Rukus,Cisco and HPs...
All the Ruckus APs I've used are Atheros.
 
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CCR1072 inside :o
are all theses fans really needed? looks like a lot heat needs to be blown away, how is the power consumption?
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I'm also not sure if the Atheros quality of compatibility is up there as it is with enterprise focused APs like Rukus,Cisco and HPs...
All the Ruckus APs I've used are Atheros.
Oh wow. I thought these companies were making their own components for the wireless chips. Interesting indeed
 
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CCR1072 inside :o
are all theses fans really needed? looks like a lot heat needs to be blown away, how is the power consumption?
This is a very early prototype, it is not be similar to the actual product. The case is just a mock up
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Is it going to be fanless?

JF.
hardly 3W(5W peak)chip need massive heatsink, let alone need for fan.
im more curious, about CPU choice. judging with what product it ought be competive.
in that case downclocked T1022(or even T1042 if product had to be Really crush other offers)look more valid, IMO. and e6500-based(Pxxxx) things for carrier-grade boxes under CCR performance.
CCR with 72 cores makes no sense to me, unless mikrotik is planing to deploy some kind of IDS/IPS solution (perhaps suricata?)... that would make it a very very very interesting unit.
Tilera chips already used in some IPS boxes(you may see some Singapore and American companies ads, for example), so it may had sense, but unlikely major and probably more about extra-throughput/pps, but talking bout Suricata - hardly it ready for production and hardly will be in future.
talking aside IPS - more advanced firewall than present(in separate package ? as part of Level5/Level6 license ?)may be welcomed even on slower devices, including those on 74k chips, proteting slow networks. in past days i was used zorp, for example.
but they also kinda power-consuming :( nearly anything was.
 
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There will be no miniPCIe on the actual product.
Hm, why not, a modem slot to get alarms as sms would be also a fine option.
Or plain add a mSATA for user DB or syslog storage, or am I so wrong with this?
Tilera chips already used in some IPS boxes(you may see some Singapore and American companies ads, for example), so it may had sense, but unlikely major and probably more about extra-throughput/pps, but talking bout Suricata
Would be great to see a better DPI performance or plain something like
the suricata IDS/IPS solution, more on the CCR series for sure, but this would
be really making it more secure.
more advanced firewall than present(in separate package ? as part of Level5/Level6 license ?)may be welcomed even on slower devices, including those on 74k chips, proteting slow networks. in past days i was used zorp, for example. but they also kinda power-consuming :( nearly anything was.
Lanner was also setting up an new packet processing card based on the TileGx8036
so why not using thoose things such as DPI, IDS/IPS also inside the CCR series.

Alone massively DPI tasks would be narrow down the most routers hardly,
but with the CCR series this must not really be. And it was even also inserted
as a part of RouterOS for a long time.
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Sat Jul 19, 2014 9:07 pm

I'm quite interested in the CCR1072. But why stick to a fixed form factor ?

Modular port-adapters and power supplies would help reduce developpement costs imho, and the XAUI interface can be transported as XGMII over 50cm.

Also it'll be more flexible with a module choice of XFP (for DWDM optics) or 10xSFP (switched), or even a passive PoE switched copper ports for dense radio sites...

Anyway, is there any release date yet ? Price point ?
 
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Would like to request mini PCIe/PCIe functionality to be able to connect other devices such as GPUs, usb and sata and for routerOS to be able to run other programs to be able to implement own encryption, hashing, media functionalities, etc. Based on the tilera tile CPU spec it is also capable of multimedia functions as well. I also want to implement my own networked device monitoring but i dont want to have so many devices always turned on for this.

Having SATA for a hard drive or SSD is very useful for cache and logging
Regular DDR3 slots with ECC support would be useful too
 
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Would like to request mini PCIe/PCIe functionality to be able to connect other devices such as GPUs, usb and sata and for routerOS to be able to run other programs to be able to implement own encryption, hashing, media functionalities, etc. Based on the tilera tile CPU spec it is also capable of multimedia functions as well. I also want to implement my own networked device monitoring but i dont want to have so many devices always turned on for this.

Having SATA for a hard drive or SSD is very useful for cache and logging
Regular DDR3 slots with ECC support would be useful too
Than better something a miniPCIe slot + SIM slot with mSATA, Modem and Wlan support.
So each of us are able to use the miniPCIe slot as he needs it.
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Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:02 pm

I guess it would require Mikrotik to provide a wider coverage for drivers, or simply allow us to build the GPL'd code and package system.npk ourselves

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