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RB850Gx2 Network interface details

Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:52 pm

Hi MT Team,

any more info you can reveal fpr this upcoming board?
I really like the network interface design of the RB450G, especially the separatable first interface and the switch chip features.
Im also using some VLAN tag rewriting functions of the AR8316 for some neat tricks.
Any info on what to expect from this new board?

Cheers,
Jan
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Re: RB850Gx2 Network interface details

Sat Mar 08, 2014 4:44 am

The RB850Gx2 have identical dimension, serial port, reset, jack, ethernet placement and characteristics of 450G except of:

Dual Core 500MHz PPC CPU (Single core 680MHz MIPS-BE CPU on 450G)
512MB RAM (256MB on 450G)
I'm Italian, not English. Sorry for my imperfect grammar.
 
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Re: AW: RB850Gx2 Network interface details

Sat Mar 08, 2014 9:41 am

The RB850Gx2 have identical dimension, serial port, reset, jack, ethernet placement and characteristics of 450G except of:

Dual Core 500MHz PPC CPU (Single core 680MHz MIPS-BE CPU on 450G)
512MB RAM (256MB on 450G)
has it?
Block diagram please.

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Re: RB850Gx2 Network interface details

Sat Mar 08, 2014 12:41 pm

I'm not talking about mechanical features rextended...
As barkas said, a block diagram including switch chip specs is what I'd like to see.
 
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Re: RB850Gx2 Network interface details

Mon Mar 10, 2014 8:04 pm

Block diagram please.
The RB850Gx2 will be on sale at late april 2014 as announced in the
newsletter no. 55, and then, if the RB850Gx2 is launched the manual,
the block diagram, etc. will be also shown at www.routerboard.com.

I think they would not show something else as some tech specs. first.
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Re: RB850Gx2 Network interface details

Tue Mar 11, 2014 3:02 am

Price $129
HW acceleration
Thoughts on Throughput?...

Rackmount options?
 
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Re: RB850Gx2 Network interface details

Tue Mar 11, 2014 12:28 pm

Price $129
HW acceleration
HW acceleration? Where did you get this info?

Cheers,
Jan
It was mentioned in another thread here:

http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php ... 07#p410563

but you can also check the specs for CPU in this link, under accelerators you will find security engine:

http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/sit ... code=P1023

JF.
Ah thanks, so for security features the will be HW support. I was thinking about forwarding ;)
 
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Re: RB850Gx2 Network interface details

Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:47 pm

Price $129
HW acceleration
Thoughts on Throughput?...
I think after launching the test results want also be shown
on the http://www.routerboard.com website like all the other RBs.
Rackmount options?
It is a replacement for the RB450G, what rack mount options we have had
for the RB450G?

But ok there are some generally options for RB if you are interested.

Link: 19" Dual rack case for;
PC Engines Boards

ALIX.2D0
ALIX.2D1/2D5
ALIX.2D2
ALIX.3D2
ALIX.3D3
ALIX.2D13
ALIX.6E1 /6E2 /6F2
ALIX.2D19

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411, 411U, 411AR, 411AH, 411UAHR
433, 433AH, 433UAH
450, 450G
493, 493AH, 493G
800

Enclosure Plate Blank
fan for 19" rackmount

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Link: Dual 19" Rack mount for RB450(G)
URL: Routerz.ru
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If the RB850Gx2 has the same dimensions as the RB450G and announced in the Newsletter
No. 55, you will be able to use the both solutions above also for the RB850Gx2.
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Re: RB850Gx2 Network interface details

Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:26 pm

The Rack mount cases sold by Varia are very good, I used one of this cases fitted with a RB450G and an ALIX board, made a nice routing and generic x86 platform in 1U. :D
 
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Re: RB850Gx2 Network interface details

Sat Mar 15, 2014 6:46 pm

I was hoping for some info from MT, as the board seems to be ready judging from the pictures in the presentation and brochure.
But somehow that seems to be asking for too much. :(
 
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Re: RB850Gx2 Network interface details

Sat Mar 15, 2014 8:13 pm

Still looking for a complete all in one tower router.

RB850Gx2 seems like a good platform to build on. It just needs an SFP port and PoE out on at least 4 ports.

Then just add a 24V UPS and we're off to the races.
 
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Re: RB850Gx2 Network interface details

Tue Mar 18, 2014 8:43 am

What puzzles me is the RAM size. What do we need 512MB of RAM for when we AFAIK can't use Metarouters on it, because it is a dual core architecture?
 
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Re: RB850Gx2 Network interface details

Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:18 am

What puzzles me is the RAM size.
Ok in related to the circumstance and with a viewing eye to the metarouter support
it would be truth, but DHCP and DNS entries must also be stored and with IPv6
this will be much more then in former times and with an outlook to new features,
upcoming options or the new announced routing engine it is in my eyes better to
have more then less RAM inside.
What do we need 512MB of RAM for when we AFAIK can't use
Metarouters on it, because it is a dual core architecture?
I am considering, that would very sadly also in my eyes but perhaps
they turn around and this option will be inserted later, because of so
many different models and other things at the same time now.
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Re: RB850Gx2 Network interface details

Fri Mar 21, 2014 9:15 pm

Mikrotik does not listen, and I've seen many comments censored, we are not mere complainers users, we are enthusiasts and experts who work assembling their routers, in short: their customers and basis why Mikrotik invoice € 40M annually.

1. No censure this message is important.

2. We are not early adopters, we need stable technology, improve their software development processes because staff seem to lack quality assurance, most are terrified with routeros 6.xx failures and the CCR models.

3. In 2011 series describe them as low cost, please do not use these words, our clients think they are assembling a shit, we are synonymous as cost effective or other for defining the same idea.

4. Many needs routers type 450G and 2011 series (midd cpu and good ram) with poe output on all ports (this allows us to not have use a poe switch or evaluate new products of UBNT).

5. Very important: devices not only have to be good if not also appear so. We do not mind paying € 30-40 for a 2011 model with more professional look:
- Steel case or thicker metal.
- Best finishes.
- A deeper for this type of device depth: 30-40cm.
- Needless great mikrotik logo, that's creepy.
- Ethernet Ports with LEDs, temperature sensors and voltage to RB450G style.
 
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Re: RB850Gx2 Network interface details

Thu Apr 17, 2014 11:55 pm

MikroTik team - please answer - WHEN we shoould expect that RB850Gx2 at the market???
 
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Re: RB850Gx2 Network interface details

Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:08 pm

Still looking for a complete all in one tower router.

RB850Gx2 seems like a good platform to build on. It just needs an SFP port and PoE out on at least 4 ports.

Then just add a 24V UPS and we're off to the races.
its more like 1009 in your description, than 850gx2 as 450g successor.
which had both, SFP, PoE and dual-power.
more curious about gap between 850gx2 and 1009 and possible product to fill it.
MikroTik team - please answer - WHEN we shoould expect that RB850Gx2 at the market???
heard some stores - already accept pre-orders, so probably its sooner, than we're expected.
 
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Re: RB850Gx2 Network interface details

Tue Apr 22, 2014 9:14 am


more curious about gap between 850gx2 and 1009 and possible product to fill it.
that would be RB1100Hx2/Hx2 and variations.
 
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Re: RB850Gx2 Network interface details

Sat Oct 11, 2014 1:51 pm

X-x

This sh#t have Max L2 MTU 1506 only!
 
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Re: RB850Gx2 Network interface details

Sat Oct 11, 2014 4:59 pm

X-x

This sh#t have Max L2 MTU 1506 only!
RB850Gx2 ether1-ether5:1506

It is absurd to a new product with max L2 MTU 1506, its use will be very limited.
I already bought one, I'm sorry.
 
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Re: RB850Gx2 Network interface details

Sat Oct 11, 2014 8:46 pm

X-x
This sh#t have Max L2 MTU 1506 only!
RB850Gx2 ether1-ether5:1506
It is absurd to a new product with max L2 MTU 1506, its use will be very limited.
I already bought one, I'm sorry.
Yeah, completelly agree. All other is almost ideal at this model, but not the Ethernet L2 MTU. It's embarrasing:
L2 MTU: 1506
Max L2 MTU: 1506
 
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Re: RB850Gx2 Network interface details

Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:37 am

What does this actually mean to real life performance? What are the downsides of having a L2 MTU of 1506?
 
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Re: RB850Gx2 Network interface details

Sun Oct 12, 2014 4:56 pm

What does this actually mean to real life performance? What are the downsides of having a L2 MTU of 1506?
fragmentation is one, vpls is another, etc...
 
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Re: RB850Gx2 Network interface details

Mon Oct 13, 2014 9:26 am

So, regarding the MTU. You can't even do Q in Q with a layer 3 MTU of 1500 bytes (20 bytes IP header + 1480 bytes payload).

That would yield 1480 + 20 + 4 + 4. Seeing a VLAN-tag is 4 bytes?
 
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Re: RB850Gx2 Network interface details

Mon Oct 13, 2014 11:14 am

X-x

This sh#t have Max L2 MTU 1506 only!

Has anyone tested and verified this?
I'm a SIP / VoIP engineer. Feel free to ask questions...
 
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Re: RB850Gx2 Network interface details

Mon Oct 13, 2014 12:20 pm

What does this actually mean to real life performance? What are the downsides of having a L2 MTU of 1506?
This would not influence performance but renders MPLS/VPLS useless.
 
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Re: RB850Gx2 Network interface details

Mon Nov 10, 2014 9:34 am

I need to know how to recover admin password of Mikrotik server from the backup file?

Anyone tells?
 
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Re: RB850Gx2 Network interface details

Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:06 pm

I need to know how to recover admin password of Mikrotik server from the backup file?

Anyone tells?
https://www.mikrotikpasswordrecovery.net/
 
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Re: RB850Gx2 Network interface details

Wed Dec 03, 2014 10:13 pm

according to the mikrotik wiki the MTU (maximum packet size without MAC header) is 1580.
That is enough for about everything you need.

(this is the first result when googling for RB850Gx2, so I just wanted to fix that)
 
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Re: RB850Gx2 Network interface details

Thu Dec 04, 2014 8:05 am

according to the mikrotik wiki the MTU (maximum packet size without MAC header) is 1580.
That is enough for about everything you need.
Apparently you missed the part where it used to be 1506. MikroTik recently fixed this with a software fix in RouterOS 6.21. Up until then, nobody was able to achieve 1580 with this model. That's what this thread was talking about as it was started before the fix was released.

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Re: RB850Gx2 Network interface details

Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:40 am

Any word on when a new H/W version with H/W crypto acceleration will be available?
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Re: RB850Gx2 Network interface details

Thu Apr 30, 2015 10:20 pm

on 6.27 and 6.28 I have tried to connenct OVPN Client requiring client certificate, but it always fails. OVPN works only without client certificate, tested same CA on RB450 and RB951 which works with my certificats without problems. I tried then to downgrade to 5 for testing, but this fails completely. Donwgraded many mikrotik items in the past, but RB850Gx2 won´t work anymore. Only one time beep. Netinstall always fails, after the 3 trial the reset button removed from the board.

any ideas ?
 
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Re: RB850Gx2 Network interface details

Thu Apr 30, 2015 10:46 pm

Are you sure that you can downgrade 850Gx2 to 5.x ? It is 6.x era equipment.
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Re: RB850Gx2 Network interface details

Fri May 01, 2015 10:24 am

yes, I am sure. Look at the download page, there you will find Version 4 and 5 for PPC RB 800 Series.

But I reinstalled 6.28 by pressing the missing reset button via a screwdriver with netinstall. Problem with Client certificate in OVPN is still there, same settings and certificates work perfectly on other board. Can this be a bug?
 
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Re: RB850Gx2 Network interface details

Fri May 01, 2015 10:57 am

after upgrading the pending firmware >System>routerboard - the login with client certificates succedded
 
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Re: RB850Gx2 Network interface details

Fri May 01, 2015 11:23 am

yes, I am sure. Look at the download page, there you will find Version 4 and 5 for PPC RB 800 Series.
Downloadable package does not mean that applicable routerboards could be downgraded or upgraded to particular version. I have almost "killed" my RB133C3 with 6.x version.
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Re: RB850Gx2 Network interface details

Fri May 01, 2015 1:17 pm

Of course the RB850Gx2 is not compatible with RouterOS 5.x or older. It says so right in the Quick Guide! If the last version of 5.x (5.26) was released before the Routerboard model in question, it is a sure bet that the board won't run that version: that board's SoC was never used in other products during 5.x so why would you think that the kernel would be compatible or that older RouterOS versions would contain the necessary drivers for all of the hardware?

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Re: RB850Gx2 Network interface details

Fri May 01, 2015 9:15 pm

[quote="Quick Guide

-- Nathan[/quote]


good to know. Thanks. I absolutely dont need other versions than the actual, I was looking for solution of my OVPN problem.

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