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RB1100AHx2 or CCR1009-8G-1S-1S+

Mon May 12, 2014 2:15 pm

I'm looking for a new router for my office. There will be two internet connections connected by eternet. Connection1 20/20mbit, connection2 200/20mbit. There will be an IPSec VPN to a datacenter over the second internet connection. The first connection is used for internet access on two different LANs and has a few NAT and firewall rules.

I doubt between the RB1100AHx2 and the CCR1009-8G-1S-1S+. The last one has a higher throughput, but the first has hardware encryption. Which one is the best for my scenario?
 
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Re: RB1100AHx2 or CCR1009-8G-1S-1S+

Mon May 12, 2014 2:56 pm

Both have hardware encryption and both are fast enough for your connections. If you think the redundant PSU is worth the extra money... go for the CCR, else the 1100AHx2 will be fine.
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Re: RB1100AHx2 or CCR1009-8G-1S-1S+

Mon May 12, 2014 3:37 pm

If you are using GRE or IPIP tunnels over IPSEC, don't get the Tilera CPU. VERY broken. MT Support won't even respond about it. Limited to about 25mbit full duplex. AHx2 pushes over 300mbit.
 
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Re: RB1100AHx2 or CCR1009-8G-1S-1S+

Tue May 13, 2014 4:25 am

If you think the redundant PSU is worth the extra money... go for the CCR, else the 1100AHx2 will be fine.
Just for informations sake the RB1100AHx2 essentially has dual power supplies by the way of AC in the back, DC in the front (PoE injector), so you can essentially have redundant power on the 1100AHx2 as well.
 
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Re: RB1100AHx2 or CCR1009-8G-1S-1S+

Tue May 13, 2014 3:23 pm

Redundant PSU is a nice feature, but not necessary.

I believe the RB1100AHx2 is better for VPN but the CCR has better routing throughput? Difficult choice...
 
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Re: RB1100AHx2 or CCR1009-8G-1S-1S+

Tue May 13, 2014 3:23 pm

Redundant PSU is a nice feature, but not necessary.

I believe the RB1100AHx2 is better for VPN but the CCR has better routing throughput? Difficult choice...
not anymore, since RouterOS v6.12, encrypted tunnel speed is much better than RB1100
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Re: RB1100AHx2 or CCR1009-8G-1S-1S+

Tue May 13, 2014 4:42 pm

If the encrypted tunnel speed between the RB1100AHx2 and the CCR is almost the same, the CCR is a better choice I think because of the better throughput.

Maybe in the future I get more tunnels, higher bandwidth or more LANs. The CCR has more capacity to expand.
 
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Re: RB1100AHx2 or CCR1009-8G-1S-1S+

Tue May 13, 2014 7:35 pm

Redundant PSU is a nice feature, but not necessary.

I believe the RB1100AHx2 is better for VPN but the CCR has better routing throughput? Difficult choice...
not anymore, since RouterOS v6.12, encrypted tunnel speed is much better than RB1100

Maybe IPSEC tunnel mode, but not a GRE or IPIP or L2TP tunnel over IPSEC in transport mode. RB1100 is many times faster.
 
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Re: RB1100AHx2 or CCR1009-8G-1S-1S+

Tue May 13, 2014 9:10 pm

Redundant PSU is a nice feature, but not necessary.

I believe the RB1100AHx2 is better for VPN but the CCR has better routing throughput? Difficult choice...
not anymore, since RouterOS v6.12, encrypted tunnel speed is much better than RB1100

Maybe IPSEC tunnel mode, but not a GRE or IPIP or L2TP tunnel over IPSEC in transport mode. RB1100 is many times faster.
This comes as a big surprise to me .. I considered CCR series as a possible upgrade for our VPN infrastructure (ipsec/l2tp and ipsec/gre). Can anyone from Mikrotik elaborate on this please? Is this a bug or design fail? Will it get fixed? When?

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Re: RB1100AHx2 or CCR1009-8G-1S-1S+

Wed May 14, 2014 1:04 am

Exactly why I ordered up 2 CCRs to use for production to replace the RB1100AHx2 proof of concept devices.. Unfortunately the 1100s performed better.

It seems as if its trying to do GRE, IPSEC, and all forwarding related to a particular connection on one core of the CPU at exactly the same time.. That'd be my guess.. Cant back it up though. :D
 
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Re: RB1100AHx2 or CCR1009-8G-1S-1S+

Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:11 am

This comes as a big surprise to me ..
Likes me too but not in the expected way! :(
And if you will have a look into a white paper from Tilera according to
the TileGx platform you will think it must be a dream what this hardware is able to do.
Tilera TileGx White Paper
Is this a bug or design fail? Will it get fixed? When?
In normal there should nothing be wrong with GRE as I was seeing here
in the RFC 2784

First I was thinking that only me is urgent needing many different vpn
methods and abilities and I was setting up a poll for that and the response
give me the feedback I am not alone with this wishes. VPN Poll
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Re: RB1100AHx2 or CCR1009-8G-1S-1S+

Mon Oct 20, 2014 1:47 pm

Sorry for bumping an old post..but i'm also looking at these 2 models...
So whats the verdict...
With newer routerOS versions is the IPSEC problem solved? (GRE or IPIP or L2TP tunnel over IPSEC in transport mode)
 
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Re: RB1100AHx2 or CCR1009-8G-1S-1S+

Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:22 pm

If you dont mind complicated configs you can go with the CCR, otherwise go with the RB1100AHx2. VPN on mikrotik generally has poor performance (i am using routerOS 6.21) so no matter which device you use the throughput will be low however it is possible to push loads of VPN throughput on the CCR if you are not using the CCR as a VPN server because you cant have multiple VPN of the same servers on mikrotik however you can chain 2 different types of VPN together to get 300Mb/s of throughput in which case the CCRs more cores will help on that while having some extra cores for internet routing.

The PPC has advantage over tile per core for being a more complex CPU that perhaps has a better decoder and logic for complexity but i would suggest the CCR if you are going to handle many things. Tile's encryption throughput is lower if math is involved because Tile is better at logic and shifting than it is with math. I have read through the TIle's assembly specsheet and i have before made a compiler for a custom soft CPU. This is evident if you compare simple L2/L3 CPU routing tests between them, encryption and virtual networking. However Tile is still faster than MIPS per core except for some of the larger less power efficient ones.
 
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Re: RB1100AHx2 or CCR1009-8G-1S-1S+

Wed Mar 23, 2016 9:20 am

Anybody can confirm that l2tp/ipsec VPN speed problems are solved for CCR1009 Tile cpu with latest firmware version 6.34.3 ?

Currently looking for hw encrypted solution + 8 ports minimum for small office.
Choosing between RB1100AH and CCR100.
 
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Re: RB1100AHx2 or CCR1009-8G-1S-1S+

Mon May 09, 2016 5:50 am

Also need an update on ipsec+tunnels (EoIP, GRE, etc)

If this is still an issue, I'll have to go with another vendor's product.
 
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Re: RB1100AHx2 or CCR1009-8G-1S-1S+

Tue May 17, 2016 6:52 pm

Hi. I'm also interested in CCR encrypting performance.
 
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Re: RB1100AHx2 or CCR1009-8G-1S-1S+

Thu Oct 06, 2016 8:13 pm

I looking for Hardware for ipsec tunel and bandwidth about 500Mbit/s I wonder if CCR can handle this
 
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Re: RB1100AHx2 or CCR1009-8G-1S-1S+

Thu Oct 06, 2016 8:40 pm

500Mbps of ipsec?
 
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Re: RB1100AHx2 or CCR1009-8G-1S-1S+

Thu Oct 06, 2016 11:37 pm

I suspect even 1100AHx2 will handle that in its hardware if you set it up correctly as per http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:IP ... encryption. CCR will do even better and if you can afford it get better get CCR. It is multicore, it boots much faster and I also suspect it'll be supported for longer (1000/1100AHx2 are quite old series).

1100AHx2 is quite noisy, because of its cooler. CCR can be noisy, too, but there are models to choose from (if that can be serious for you), and also has nice (but mostly useless) color display to show graphs (at CPU cost, by the way, but CCR are too powerful to let you notice that). CCR1009-8G-1S-1S+ is good for its second power supply, you have two PS instead of one (which is shame for Mikrotik when it comes to put one-powersource-equipped Mikrotik into server room and to connect it to different power lines).
 
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Re: RB1100AHx2 or CCR1009-8G-1S-1S+

Fri Oct 07, 2016 4:20 am

CCR are multi-core and as a result, performance is variable depending on how data flows. A single stream, ie, one ipsec tunnel isn't going to be all that fast. I highly doubt any CCR will be anywhere close to 500Mbps ipsec on a single tunnel.... if it's many ipsec tunnels, then yeah, doable.

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