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didomir
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hAP AC vs hAP ac3/2

Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:05 pm

Radio wise, hAP AC still looks the best option (https://mikrotik.com/products/compare/R ... -5HacD2HnD). Recently noticed that hAP AC has R2.
Who can recommend best AP Mikrotik option (indoor) in 2021 ? I'd prefer to have best antenna/sensitivity instead of more powerful CPU (and less chains). In which cases ac3 has advantage over ac ? Despite ac3 external antennas, it looks like ac has more power and sensitivity (and is more expensive).
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Re: hAP AC vs hAP ac3/2

Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:56 am

Power of WiFi is regulated by the countries, so what you can achieve is to have better antennas for *listening* and currently hAP AC3 has the best external antennas for this while hAP AC/AC2 and wAP devices have only internal ones.
 
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Re: hAP AC vs hAP ac3/2

Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:46 am

"Best AP 2021" has to go to the wifi version of the RB4011.
Those things are fantastic.

Quad-chain AC (4x4), and Wave 2 AC with ROS7.
I don't believe the hAP AC will be able to support Wave2 as it has a much older radio.
hAP AC2 and AC3 are arguably the same hardware, except the AC3 has external antennas with variable polarization and higher antenna-gain. Both should support Wave2, but are 2x2 for both 2GHz and 5GHz.

The 'bestest' thing about Wave2 is MU-MIMO support. That is where you'll really see the 4011 shine; most (nearly all) client devices are only 2x2 or 1x1. With Wave2, and 4x4 on the 5ghz band, the 4011 can talk to 4 1x1 devices simultaneously (in the same clock-tick), or two 2z2 devices simultaneously (in the same clock-tick), or one 2x2 and two 1x1 devices simultaneously (in the same clock-tick), or one 4x4 device in a clock-tick.

The "high end" Wave1 radios were 3x3 on 5ghz; they will never support mu-mimo as it does require hardwaree-support.

So, RB4011 for a dedicated AP if it fits the budget, hAP AC3 / 2 otherwise.
In 2021, the 'classic' hAP AC is a pretty niche product.
 
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Re: hAP AC vs hAP ac3/2

Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:25 am

Router OS7.

Seriously? Development branch?

Absolutely not.

No way I am spending $250 on Mikrotik wireless at this stage. Especially when you are considering you are talking about ACv2 in 2021. When everyone else has WiFi 6 out at this point... You mention a Development Branch?

Give me a ruckus R610 from Amazon for $209-$250, and it will mop the floor with a RB 4011.

Then pay the 57 bucks for the hAP AC2 and run it as a router ONLY with a wireless scanner built in (not as a WAP serving clients.)
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Re: hAP AC vs hAP ac3/2

Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:01 am

AC3 is very big disappointment for me.
I`ve tested Archer C6 vs AC2 vs AC3 in 5GHz (latest fw).
I made several desk test with ideal connection a then several common tests (8 meters over 2 walls in the house).

Desk tests (Iperf 100s)
AC3 ~180Mb/s
AC2 ~180Mb/s
C6 ~ 230Mb/s


over walls

AC3 - big problem to get stable signal, RSSI -80, speed ~10Mb/s
AC2 - RSSI ~ -76 link speed 117Mb/s, speed ~55Mb/s
Archer C6, RSSI -72, link speed 117, speed ~55Mb/s


The results...AC2,3 are not able to get more 200Mb/s in desk tests and AC3 had a big problem with walls.

Tested in default settings (channel 5180, country etsi, A/N/AC mode, XXXXXXX, WPA2(AES) only...etc)
I tried several settings (e.g. debug mode etc, only N,AC mode, Ceeee instead XXXXXX....etc) but with the same results.

Tests in 2.4GHz had the similar results unfortunately.
I`m waiting for ROS7 with new wifi drivers as salvation, because with beta drivers + ROS7 was ac3 able to get up to 250Mb/s.
 
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Re: hAP AC vs hAP ac3/2

Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:32 am

My hapAC2 works pretty good.
I get about 350mbps within 5ft and about 200mbps in 30ft with 1 wall. I don't have ac3, but it should work better due to the same chip but better antenna gain.
Did you turn on the adaptive noise immunity in advanced mode ?
Or try a different frequency?
 
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Re: hAP AC vs hAP ac3/2

Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:26 am

My hapAC2 works pretty good.
I get about 350mbps within 5ft and about 200mbps in 30ft with 1 wall. I don't have ac3, but it should work better due to the same chip but better antenna gain.
Did you turn on the adaptive noise immunity in advanced mode ?
Or try a different frequency?
Sorry I can`t believe it. What`s your measurement methodology?
I used iperf sw, 2 clients (notebook + phone), min 3 tests in every setting, udp + tcp tests, various ROS, channels, change antena`s position in AC3....etc.
There was over 6h debuging and testing for me.
The main result is MT 2x2 radios can`t get over 200Mb/s and AC3 is worst than AC2 in wifi part (2.4GHz and 5GHz) with 6.xx ROS.
 
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Re: hAP AC vs hAP ac3/2

Sat Jul 24, 2021 10:07 am

I don't have a computer to host the iperf server, so I use my phone and ipad.
Speedtest are run on my phone too.
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Re: hAP AC vs hAP ac3/2

Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:34 am

I have the same speeds, so something must be off. Have you tried a proper spectrum analyzer?

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