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Band Steering

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 2:06 pm
by m94646602
In the same SSID environment(capsman wireless-rep 6.35rc49), can i use the SCRIPT to simulate the Band Steering?
I know, AP can't control what client will choose, this is for client to decide. But I still wanted to do something to help.
Many times, I often need to complete the work by hand.

Re: Band Steering

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 2:10 pm
by chechito
i think is possible, maybe using access list, actually i don't have mikrotiks dual-band to test

Re: Band Steering

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 2:38 pm
by m94646602
i think is possible, maybe using access list, actually i don't have mikrotiks dual-band to test
Thanks Chechito,

can you provide more information or hints, how to work with Access List. Thanks a lot.

Michael

Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:14 am
by jarda
Band steering is not implemented. It is not possible to tell the client that it should reconnect to 5ghz. You can only kick the client off the 2ghz Ap or disallow it's connection but it's all you can do.

Re:

Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 11:24 am
by chechito
Band steering is not implemented. It is not possible to tell the client that it should reconnect to 5ghz. You can only kick the client off the 2ghz Ap or disallow it's connection but it's all you can do.
yes i think that's the way to do it

something like this

http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wireless ... ing-manual

Re: Band Steering

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 9:14 am
by annefmoreno
Band steering is a radio management technique Meraki APs use to improve capacity, throughput, and the experience for users of crowded wireless networks.

Re: Band Steering

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 2:03 pm
by m94646602
MT or other Expert, can you help to make the script? thanks a lot !!!!

Re: Band Steering

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:50 pm
by R1CH
Any kind of script will be far worse than actual band steering. Mikrotik really need to try and implement real band steering, as it's very much needed with how crowded 2.4 GHz is becoming.

Band steering works by hiding the SSID in beacon frames, so the client doesn't know what networks are around it from passive listening. When the client wants to connect to a network, it sends out an active probe on both 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz. If the AP sees the probe come in on both 2.4 and 5 GHz interfaces, then it knows the client is dual band capable and can reply on the 5 GHz radio only. The client then sees only the 5 GHz SSID available and associates as normal.

Using a script will never be able to replicate this behavior. A script at best can add an access rule to the 2.4 GHz SSID to kick the client off, but at that point the client has already connected and may be transferring data. The client has no way to know that it's blocked from the 2.4 GHz SSID - it may continue to try and associate several times before trying a different SSID. This results in a very poor user experience where after connecting to wifi, apps may attempt to connect to services only to get disconnected and lose connectivity for several seconds until the OS tries another SSID. On a phone this may also cause repeated Wifi / LTE switching which is also bad for connectivity.

Re: Band Steering

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 8:38 pm
by haik01
I have a Cisco Meraki in a church. It works flawlessly. One SSID with 2,4 and 5 GHz. Same password.
But it does differetn things:

My BlackBerry 10 is dual band (on WiFi). When I enter the church, first it connects to the 2,4 GHz, and later (after a minute or so), it reconnects to 5 GHz, and stays on it.


So from the user point of view, I do not see any difference (actually I should check with a laptop with full speed data download).

Re: Band Steering

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 9:26 pm
by jarda
It is how client devices behave when there is preference setting present, I would say.

Re: Band Steering

Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 8:11 am
by m94646602
:( Helpless!!!!
:? Disappointed !!!
MT do not listen, do not look, do not do

The 2.4G is very very busy

If want to use it in a commercial environment, 2.4 and 5G in a same SSID is a basic requirement !!!!
In our China market, we often lost to other competitors, because there is no BAND STEERING. Our customers say Without this feature it is only a "HOME AP"

When you fell from the 5G to 2.4G, you will be a long stay in the 2.4G, will not jump to 5G, I just wanted to do something to help the AP, but I've waited a long, a long time from MT

cisco : band select
Ruckus : holding the transmit beacon
aruba :http://www.arubanetworks.com/techdocs/A ... eering.htm
EnGenius : Band Steering
ASUS : SmartConnect
zyxel : client steering
d-link : http://www.dlink.com/uk/en/technology/band-steering
ubnt : https://community.ubnt.com/t5/UniFi-Wir ... -p/1429904
tp-link : http://www.tp-link.com/res/down/doc/Aur ... asheet.pdf

Re: Band Steering

Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:40 pm
by jekakm
Yeah, that's a reason why I stopped recommended and use mikrotik as a wireless hardware. And a problem not only in band steering. There's more much features that's looks like never be implemented by mikrotik.
You want band steering - no way guy. Dynamic VLAN assignment with radius? Forgot about it. Airtime fairness? You are kidding me...
But I still use mikrotik as a cheap routers, and I can say, that its good option. In case wireless hardware - I switch to Unifi, and it's like "from hell to heaven". I think mikrotik finally lost the cheap corporate wifi market.

Re: Band Steering

Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 2:47 pm
by juliokato
I'm also using Ubiquiti APs with Mikrotik routers.
When Ubiquiti has a decent and cheaper firewall also use.
If they could integrate the firewall with wireless better yet.

How long have we been waiting for from Mikrotik for the new version 7, wAP kit lte, switch with decent STP support?

Re: Band Steering

Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:34 pm
by CZFan
Has anything changed re Band Steering, I have a customer asking about this?

Re: Band Steering

Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:01 pm
by heidarren
We have only 2 options:

A.) Wait for band steering.
B.) We do brand steering.

Re: Band Steering

Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:04 pm
by empy
:lol:
no! not as far I am aware of.

Re: Band Steering

Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:30 pm
by erlinden
Most modern devices will prefer 5G radio over 2G radio. I do have Mikrotik wireless (while travelling) and Unifi (at home). The latter has band steering turned off. Because it doesn't work as smooth as one would expect and by turning down the 2G radio as low as possible all devices connect with the 5G radio. And while travelling all clients will connect to the Mikrotik 5G radio as I also lowered tranmission power on its 2G radio.

Though I would love to see "new features" on Mikrotik, don't expect it to bring that much of a change.

Re: Band Steering

Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:43 pm
by chechito
Most modern devices will prefer 5G radio over 2G radio...

by turning down the 2G radio as low as possible....

most of the time client devices prefer higher signal AP most the time 2g radio is perceived with higher signal thus clients end there, because that you had to lower tx power on 2g radio, in that way client devices see 5g radio with higher signal, some guys call this making 5g organic

i thing mikrotik is missing some beacon and probe response settings to improve 5g steering