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RouterBoard hAP AC Slow wireless performance.

Thu Sep 08, 2016 4:44 pm

My Internet provider recently upgraded my package and I realized my Wifi for most devices are Stopping around 30MB Downloads.

I have a new Google Nexus Phone and I see consistent 150MB Downloads, But on my Older Ipad2 (802.11N) and my New Laptop(Windows 10-Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 7265) I stop at almost exactly 30MB download.

If I connect to the HAP AC gigabit port I also get 150MB downloads.

I can be 2 feet or 200 feet from AP same with the laptop.

I tried the 2.4ghz and 5ghz range and tried Auto and setting a specific channel/Frequency, Non seems to help, changing from auto actually made it slower.

The issue must be a setting that is making the 802.11N slower, or the AC with non android slower?

Any help would be appreciated.
 
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Re: RouterBoard hAP AC Slow wireless performance.

Thu Sep 08, 2016 8:26 pm

Which RouterOS and Firmware versions (System > Routerboard)?
 
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Re: RouterBoard hAP AC Slow wireless performance.

Fri Sep 09, 2016 9:10 am

As far as the iPad2 being slow, it is a single stream 802.11 N with max wireless rate of 65mbps. You will only realize 1/2 to 1/3 of the wireless rate, so it is at its limit.

With the phone capable of reaching 150mbps wirelessly, I suspect the laptop has a driver issue or a settings error. What data rates do you see for the laptop?
 
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Re: RouterBoard hAP AC Slow wireless performance.

Fri Sep 09, 2016 7:23 pm

I've done some speed tests with my new HAP AC against a 2 year old MacBook Pro. The 5GHz interface is set to Germany, channel 116, WMM on, Antenna Gain 2db. DIstance approx. 2 meters. Running v6.37rc32 with no problems.
iperf3 server runs on a QNAP Intel NAS, when using a LAN cable I get around 980 MBit/s.

HAP AC:
$ ./iperf3 -c 192.168.x.11 -R
Connecting to host 192.168.x.11, port 5201
Reverse mode, remote host 192.168.x.11 is sending
[  4] local 192.168.x.28 port 49430 connected to 192.168.x.11 port 5201
[ ID] Interval           Transfer     Bandwidth
[  4]   0.00-1.00   sec  44.7 MBytes   375 Mbits/sec
[  4]   1.00-2.00   sec  50.8 MBytes   426 Mbits/sec
[  4]   2.00-3.00   sec  49.9 MBytes   419 Mbits/sec
[  4]   3.00-4.00   sec  49.3 MBytes   414 Mbits/sec
[  4]   4.00-5.00   sec  51.9 MBytes   435 Mbits/sec
[  4]   5.00-6.00   sec  50.8 MBytes   426 Mbits/sec
[  4]   6.00-7.00   sec  51.3 MBytes   430 Mbits/sec
[  4]   7.00-8.00   sec  50.8 MBytes   426 Mbits/sec
[  4]   8.00-9.00   sec  51.3 MBytes   430 Mbits/sec
[  4]   9.00-10.00  sec  50.9 MBytes   427 Mbits/sec
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
[ ID] Interval           Transfer     Bandwidth
[  4]   0.00-10.00  sec   504 MBytes   423 Mbits/sec                  sender
[  4]   0.00-10.00  sec   502 MBytes   421 Mbits/sec                  receiver
Testing against a AVM 1750e repeater run in AP mode, also channel 116, same distance, mounted on the same wall 10cm higher than the HAP AC:
$ ./iperf3 -c 192.168.x.11 -R
Connecting to host 192.168.x.11, port 5201
Reverse mode, remote host 192.168.x.11 is sending
[  4] local 192.168.x.28 port 49508 connected to 192.168.x.11 port 5201
[ ID] Interval           Transfer     Bandwidth
[  4]   0.00-1.00   sec  74.5 MBytes   625 Mbits/sec
[  4]   1.00-2.00   sec  91.6 MBytes   769 Mbits/sec
[  4]   2.00-3.00   sec  92.4 MBytes   775 Mbits/sec
[  4]   3.00-4.00   sec  91.5 MBytes   767 Mbits/sec
[  4]   4.00-5.00   sec  92.4 MBytes   775 Mbits/sec
[  4]   5.00-6.00   sec  91.5 MBytes   767 Mbits/sec
[  4]   6.00-7.00   sec  91.4 MBytes   767 Mbits/sec
[  4]   7.00-8.00   sec  85.0 MBytes   713 Mbits/sec
[  4]   8.00-9.00   sec  86.8 MBytes   728 Mbits/sec
[  4]   9.00-10.00  sec  93.5 MBytes   784 Mbits/sec
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
[ ID] Interval           Transfer     Bandwidth
[  4]   0.00-10.00  sec   893 MBytes   749 Mbits/sec                  sender
[  4]   0.00-10.00  sec   892 MBytes   748 Mbits/sec                  receiver
Is there anything to get the HAP AC wireless to speed up a little? CPU is not nearly maxed out during my tests. I also bought a WAP AC (loving both my new toys :) which gives me nearly the same results as the HAP. Having used the WAP / HAP for the last weeks with mainly Apple devices, absolutely stable btw. Great job, Mikrotik!
I know it's never fair to compare against a consumer device, but the AVM 1750e also uses Atheros hardware, does not have an external antenna, so the hardware might be similar.
 
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Re: RouterBoard hAP AC Slow wireless performance.

Fri Sep 09, 2016 8:50 pm

Model RouterBOARD 962UiGS-5HacT2HnT
Board Name hAP ac
Version 6.36.3 (stable)
Build Time Sep/05/2016 08:09:03

To 2frogs I was playing with settings on the client side. There was a setting for my wifi driver and i started using iperf to test to a hard gigabit wired server. The setting has changed from HT Mode-VHT to HT Mode=HT Mode. I also tried to disable and that made it worse. With it set to HT Mode=HT Mode I am now getting about 100MB up/down per iperf.

Sounds like that may be as good as it gets?
 
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Re: RouterBoard hAP AC Slow wireless performance.

Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:05 am

ok, so I upgraded the firmware and this seems to have made a big difference. I was then able to set my HT mode back to VHT and connect. It seems that although I thought I was connected with AC-5GHZ I was really at N. I changed a few other things on client and AP side but no major changes were noticed.

IIf anyone knows any other settings to improve AC performance thanks in advance.
 
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Re: RouterBoard hAP AC Slow wireless performance.

Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:25 am

The default config for the wireless should be pretty good. The only thing I changed on my hAP AC is locking the channel on 100 and enabling WMM. I get a consistent 1300mbps link, and smooth 350~375mbps throughput.
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Re: RouterBoard hAP AC Slow wireless performance.

Sat Sep 10, 2016 7:57 pm

Thanks! Locking down to a good channel was key. So, basically what was happening, the cable modem I was sent from comcast has wifi built in. I had wifi radio "disabled" aka the router was in "bridge" mode. What I didn't know is if you don't log onto the comcast site and disable the "xfinity hotspot" option BEFORE then it's still broadcasting and Wifi isn't really disabled. Since I had two AC/5GHZ routers within a few feet of each other the Mikrotik grabbed the best channel available which was terrible. So I got my own cable modem with no wifi, grabbed a wifi analyzer and figured the best available channel, and Boom. 4 times faster connection and it exceeds my upstream cable modem MAX so I'm golden.

Thanks everyone for responding.

To summarize, the two things that helped me the most was upgrading the firmware, and removing interference/picking the best channel available.
 
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Re: RouterBoard hAP AC Slow wireless performance.

Sat Sep 10, 2016 8:50 pm

Perfect! I used a WiSpy to scan and visualize my 5GHz range. after about 2 hours, channel 100 (5500Mhz ~ 5580MHz) was dead silent. The perfect choice for mine. Locking it down also helps the AP start up faster, since it doesn't have to scan for a channel. The only thing it needs to do is check for Radar.
 
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Re: RouterBoard hAP AC Slow wireless performance.

Wed Dec 14, 2016 2:39 pm

The default config for the wireless should be pretty good. The only thing I changed on my hAP AC is locking the channel on 100 and enabling WMM. I get a consistent 1300mbps link, and smooth 350~375mbps throughput.
Can you show me your exact configuration?
I reach max 80~110mbps throughput over wireless (CAPsMAN)

FW: 6.37.3
Country: switzerland
Frequency: 5240
Width: 20 / eeeC
WPA2 PSK / aes ccm
 
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Re: RouterBoard hAP AC Slow wireless performance.

Wed Dec 14, 2016 5:30 pm

I can tell you right off.. Change to 80Mhz Ceee
 
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Re: RouterBoard hAP AC Slow wireless performance.

Wed Dec 14, 2016 6:38 pm

I tried all the settings. Also following the list here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WLAN_channels
Always when I set 80MHz, stands unsupportet configuraton (Country: switzerland with CAPsMAN). So I ask for the configuration to see what I do wrong? ;-)
 
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Re: RouterBoard hAP AC Slow wireless performance.

Thu Dec 15, 2016 10:47 am

I tried all the settings. Also following the list here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WLAN_channels
Always when I set 80MHz, stands unsupportet configuraton (Country: switzerland with CAPsMAN). So I ask for the configuration to see what I do wrong? ;-)
In CAPsMAN it is different. Channel width should be 20MHz and you should use Extension Channel setting to choose wide the total channel should be.
 
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Re: RouterBoard hAP AC Slow wireless performance.

Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:06 am

I have already tried various (with CAPsMAN and without CAPsMAN), but I never get a link higher than the screenshot.

Can someone post a working configuration, with consistent 1300mbps link? The configuration can also be without CAPSMAN, If possible with country Switzerland.

5240/20-eeeC/ac/P(20dBm)

[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[340] 0.0- 1.0 sec 8772 KBytes 71858 Kbits/sec
[340] 1.0- 2.0 sec 9626 KBytes 78852 Kbits/sec
[340] 2.0- 3.0 sec 10268 KBytes 84111 Kbits/sec
[340] 3.0- 4.0 sec 9717 KBytes 79605 Kbits/sec
[340] 4.0- 5.0 sec 9829 KBytes 80520 Kbits/sec
[340] 5.0- 6.0 sec 10169 KBytes 83301 Kbits/sec
[340] 6.0- 7.0 sec 10827 KBytes 88699 Kbits/sec
[340] 7.0- 8.0 sec 10831 KBytes 88730 Kbits/sec
[340] 8.0- 9.0 sec 9788 KBytes 80184 Kbits/sec
[340] 9.0-10.0 sec 11108 KBytes 91000 Kbits/sec
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Re: RouterBoard hAP AC Slow wireless performance.

Wed Mar 08, 2017 5:09 pm

I have already tried various (with CAPsMAN and without CAPsMAN), but I never get a link higher than the screenshot.

Can someone post a working configuration, with consistent 1300mbps link? The configuration can also be without CAPSMAN, If possible with country Switzerland.

5240/20-eeeC/ac/P(20dBm)

[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[340] 0.0- 1.0 sec 8772 KBytes 71858 Kbits/sec
[340] 1.0- 2.0 sec 9626 KBytes 78852 Kbits/sec
[340] 2.0- 3.0 sec 10268 KBytes 84111 Kbits/sec
[340] 3.0- 4.0 sec 9717 KBytes 79605 Kbits/sec
[340] 4.0- 5.0 sec 9829 KBytes 80520 Kbits/sec
[340] 5.0- 6.0 sec 10169 KBytes 83301 Kbits/sec
[340] 6.0- 7.0 sec 10827 KBytes 88699 Kbits/sec
[340] 7.0- 8.0 sec 10831 KBytes 88730 Kbits/sec
[340] 8.0- 9.0 sec 9788 KBytes 80184 Kbits/sec
[340] 9.0-10.0 sec 11108 KBytes 91000 Kbits/sec
To get 1300mbps data-rate (not throughput) you need a client device capable of 3 spatial streams

Most smartphones are single spatial stream because that limited to 433mbps datarate

Some notable and specific smartphone exceptions are dual spatial stream because that limited to 866mbps datarate
 
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Re: RouterBoard hAP AC Slow wireless performance.

Wed Mar 08, 2017 5:19 pm

real world enterprise implementations use 40mhz channel, for that capsmanager centralized forwarding performance of 200mbps is more than enough
 
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Re: RouterBoard hAP AC Slow wireless performance.

Fri May 05, 2017 1:07 pm

Please help me how to configure my wAP ac (RBwAPG-5HacT2HnD-BE) to run this same 1300 Mb (MAcBook) speed like in mentoned by IntrusDave?

Is this

country Switzerland.

5240/20-eeeC/ac/P(20dBm)???


The default config for the wireless should be pretty good. The only thing I changed on my hAP AC is locking the channel on 100 and enabling WMM. I get a consistent 1300mbps link, and smooth 350~375mbps throughput.
 
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Re: RouterBoard hAP AC Slow wireless performance.

Fri May 05, 2017 1:57 pm

Please help me how to configure my wAP ac (RBwAPG-5HacT2HnD-BE) to run this same 1300 Mb (MAcBook) speed like in mentoned by IntrusDave?

Is this

country Switzerland.

5240/20-eeeC/ac/P(20dBm)???


The default config for the wireless should be pretty good. The only thing I changed on my hAP AC is locking the channel on 100 and enabling WMM. I get a consistent 1300mbps link, and smooth 350~375mbps throughput.
Set it to
5GHz-A/N/AC
20/40/80MHz Ceee

It should work automatically best effort for anything you connect
 
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Re: RouterBoard hAP AC Slow wireless performance.

Fri May 05, 2017 10:26 pm

Still only 867 Mb.

How to fix setup up to 1200-1300Mb ?

@IntrusDave how to get Channel 100 on Mikrotik wAP ac ?
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Re: RouterBoard hAP AC Slow wireless performance.

Fri May 05, 2017 11:27 pm

Still only 867 Mb.

How to fix setup up to 1200-1300Mb ?

@IntrusDave how to get Channel 100 on Mikrotik wAP ac ?
I'm not too much into mac but as far I know Mac Air doesn't have triple chain wifi, I had new Mac Air yesterday at work and it showed as dual chain in device manager, also connected 867mbit
 
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Re: RouterBoard hAP AC Slow wireless performance.

Sat May 06, 2017 12:22 am

That is interesting. Friend of mine has same model same time and got 1200-1300 connection from Netgear 5G Router.
I just wondering where can I find this information in mac about WiFi card dual/triple ?

Other issue is channel, @IntrusDave got this connection but using channel 100 on Mikrotik.
I'm getting connection by this confix only on 48 channel ;-(

How to run connection 100ch on wAP ac ?
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Re: RouterBoard hAP AC Slow wireless performance.

Sat May 06, 2017 12:28 am

That is interesting. Friend of mine has same model same time and got 1200-1300 connection from Netgear 5G Router.
I just wondering where can I find this information in mac about WiFi card dual/triple ?
Check model specifications for wifi, not sure how to check under OSX, I installed windows as customer requested so it was easy to check under device manager..
 
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Re: RouterBoard hAP AC Slow wireless performance.

Sat May 06, 2017 12:30 am

I know where to check my MacOS device wifi spec, but I don't see over there this dual or triple wording.
 
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Re: RouterBoard hAP AC Slow wireless performance.

Sat May 06, 2017 12:33 am

I know where to check my MacOS device wifi spec, but I don't see over there this dual or triple wording.
Well tell me what wifi chip model it has, simple Google will reveal its specs..
 
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Re: RouterBoard hAP AC Slow wireless performance.

Sat May 06, 2017 12:43 am

Apple tech spec for all 2015 Macbook Air shows

https://www.apple.com/macbook-air/features/

1300 Mbps !

Chipset : Broadcom BCM43xx
 
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Re: RouterBoard hAP AC Slow wireless performance.

Sat May 06, 2017 12:48 am

Apple tech spec for all 2015 Macbook Air shows

https://www.apple.com/macbook-air/features/

1300 Mbps !

Chipset : Broadcom BCM43xx
Well it's strange, because mine air book clearely showed dual band ac under device manager sorry dont have it anymore around to check anything or tell you anything more useful.
 
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Re: RouterBoard hAP AC Slow wireless performance.

Tue May 09, 2017 5:09 am

It depends on noise to, in my town it is impossible to find clear 80 MHz for tripple chain ac
 
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Re: RouterBoard hAP AC Slow wireless performance.

Sat May 13, 2017 11:57 pm

This area looks clear. Just one house and to next house 500 m.
Looking to wifi monitor I see that this is not causing this problem.
 
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Re: RB751U-2HnD - poor wireless performance & problems

Sun Sep 10, 2017 12:39 am

Hi, I have a hAP ac RouterBOARD 962UiGS-5HacT2HnT

Bad wirelss performance.

I did /interface wireless export compact:

# sep/09/2017 18:35:49 by RouterOS 6.40.3
# software id = LQRI-ZAIT
#
# model = RouterBOARD 962UiGS-5HacT2HnT
# serial number = 6737054B278D
/interface wireless
set [ find default-name=wlan1 ] band=2ghz-b/g/n disabled=no mode=ap-bridge \
ssid=SoPro
set [ find default-name=wlan2 ] band=5ghz-a/n/ac channel-width=20/40/80mhz-Ceee \
disabled=no distance=indoors mode=ap-bridge ssid=SoPro5G wireless-protocol=\
802.11
/interface wireless security-profiles
set [ find default=yes ] authentication-types=wpa-psk,wpa2-psk mode=\
dynamic-keys wpa-pre-shared-key=******** wpa2-pre-shared-key=********

Can you help me to optimize my wireless performance?

Thanks.
 
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Re: RouterBoard hAP AC Slow wireless performance.

Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:49 pm

same thing here.

tried a lot of config, different mobile device.
last fw version.
I'm in rural, so 5g is crlea (-109db)
never got mor than 55 mbps on 20/40/80 ceee @ -70
 
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Re: RouterBoard hAP AC Slow wireless performance.

Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:49 am

Same problem here. It has very weak wireless performance, with Ceee 20/40/80Mhz, 2.4G wifi is unusable at all.
 
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Re: RouterBoard hAP AC Slow wireless performance.

Sat Sep 16, 2017 8:33 pm

Hi, I bought hAP AC and I have a question about 5GHz AC speed.
I have a good internet connection, 600-800Mbit+ DOWN/UP on wire, but I have problem with AC wireless speed.
After 2 days of testing I have such results:

Signal -55dBm, 3m from client - USB TP Link T4UH AC1200.
CCQ 92%
TX Rate 520Mbps-80Mhz/2S/SGI
RX Rate 866 Mbps-80Mhz/2S/SGI

As you can see below my ISP give me better upload than download.
But can someone tell me why download on WiFI is not as fast as upload?
WIFI:
Image

Cable:
Image
 
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Re: RouterBoard hAP AC Slow wireless performance.

Sun Sep 17, 2017 2:47 am

If you compare your Tx and Rx rates in the registration table they are approx 60% different which matches your real world result. Antenna polarisation may be influencing this - perhaps use an extension USB and adjust position of the adapter to get a better registration.

Also data rate of wireless is approx half air rate which is also consistant with your result.

You will note your registration indicates only 2S - 2 Spatial streams. Make sure all chains are enabled under the HT tab of you Mikrotik Wireless Interface as the hAP AC supports 3S - 3 Spatial streams.

Does your uSB device support 3S ? And are both the USB device and PC USB3.0 ?

Try disabling WPA-PSK, leaving only WPA2-PSK in your security profile.

Perhaps limit Tx Power to 20dBm - sometimes this also can help.

Hope this helps.
 
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Re: RouterBoard hAP AC Slow wireless performance.

Sun Sep 17, 2017 1:02 pm

Scampbell, thank you very much for your answer and information.

My client device is USB 3.0 (on PC too) but only 2S - 867Mbps TX Rate is maximal speed.
I would be very happy if TX Rate were the same but after all attempts (disable WPA-PSK, lower Tx power, adapter position) is still 468-520Mbps.

I can try another client, I have notebook with Intel Dualband card at wok.
 
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Re: RouterBoard hAP AC Slow wireless performance.

Mon Sep 18, 2017 10:01 pm

Notebook HP with Intel AC Dualband 8260NGW 2x2 - same as TP Link USB :/
 
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Re: RouterBoard hAP AC Slow wireless performance.

Mon Oct 16, 2017 7:12 pm

Hi, I bought hAP AC and I have a question about 5GHz AC speed.
I have a good internet connection, 600-800Mbit+ DOWN/UP on wire, but I have problem with AC wireless speed.
After 2 days of testing I have such results:

Signal -55dBm, 3m from client - USB TP Link T4UH AC1200.
CCQ 92%
TX Rate 520Mbps-80Mhz/2S/SGI
RX Rate 866 Mbps-80Mhz/2S/SGI

As you can see below my ISP give me better upload than download.
But can someone tell me why download on WiFI is not as fast as upload?
WIFI:
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Cable:
Image
Did you manage to improve on this?

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