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wAP 60G experience

Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:12 pm

Hello, what are test results of this equipment?

Our experience is quite surprising, keep on mind this is WiFi Renesans..

There are very few technical information in menu. No Signal strength information, just quality and MCS modulation method. On RF spectral analyser we saw something like 2GHz channel width, but we need to get pre amplifier to see more. Estimated POut ERP is 100 mW, the gain of antenna is unknown, but we estimated something from 13-20 dBi. Anyway with this we are still linking on 200m, tests will follow! Premature Merry Christmas!!
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:13 pm

Hello, what are test results of this equipment?

Our experience is quite surprising, keep on mind this is WiFi Renesans..

There are very few technical information in menu. No Signal strength information, just quality and MCS modulation method. On RF spectral analyser we saw something like 2GHz channel width, but we need to get pre amplifier to see more. Estimated POut ERP is 100 mW, the gain of antenna is unknown, but we estimated something from 13-20 dBi. Anyway with this we are still linking on 200m, tests will follow! Premature Merry Christmas!!
What results are you getting?
Still expecting some kits I ordered for a test.
But in all, I expect a good result for backhauling of WiFi traffic around clusters of buildings.
A 200m LOS/nLOS distance is good enough in my use case.
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:22 pm

200m is over the physical limit quality 30-40 points, which is almost no L2 link.. capacity is below 30mbit
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:50 pm

200m is over the physical limit quality 30-40 points, which is almost no L2 link.. capacity is below 30mbit
Did you say below 30Mbps? At what distance do you get the full rated capacity from your test?
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:13 am

320m signal 80 MCS 8 full speed but one side wAP is inserted into LHG XL
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Tue Dec 19, 2017 2:50 am

Anybody know if signal level and/or MCS could be readed via SNMP? RouterOS 6.40.5

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Re: wAP 60G experience

Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:36 am

320m signal 80 MCS 8 full speed but one side wAP is inserted into LHG XL
More info! How exactly did you do this?
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:39 am

200m is over the physical limit quality 30-40 points, which is almost no L2 link.. capacity is below 30mbit
Did you say below 30Mbps? At what distance do you get the full rated capacity from your test?
Thats not the goal at the moment, we need to find sensitivity edge level for at least MCS4 with that patch antenna, which we believe is somewhere about 140-150m, than we will move forward to concentrate signal either to horn or to waveguide.
We are now on edge of MCS0 which is BPSK, the QPSK is + 3dB, the 16QAM is + 9dB, this is overall performance windows from zero to hero..

We are now exactly 230 m far, so the 100m distance should be +6dB and more which means MCS8 = almost full speed

Other part of team is now checking up params of radio part, at least oscillator can do quite better = better sensitivity.
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:44 am

Hello, what are test results of this equipment?

Our experience is quite surprising, keep on mind this is WiFi Renesans..

There are very few technical information in menu. No Signal strength information, just quality and MCS modulation method. On RF spectral analyser we saw something like 2GHz channel width, but we need to get pre amplifier to see more. Estimated POut ERP is 100 mW, the gain of antenna is unknown, but we estimated something from 13-20 dBi. Anyway with this we are still linking on 200m, tests will follow! Premature Merry Christmas!!
What results are you getting?
Still expecting some kits I ordered for a test.
But in all, I expect a good result for backhauling of WiFi traffic around clusters of buildings.
A 200m LOS/nLOS distance is good enough in my use case.
200m is behind the edge for using. We are expecting range of 140-160m is the max with wAP, as the gain of antenna and estimated 20dBm ERP. THis makes sense, that with antenna 1 feet you can gain next 40dB ! of gain with correct EIRP parameter, we will know more soon
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:47 am

320m signal 80 MCS 8 full speed but one side wAP is inserted into LHG XL
It is blow. with such apperture and quality antenna you will get complete MCS12 on 1,5km
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:54 am

Hello, what are test results of this equipment?

Our experience is quite surprising, keep on mind this is WiFi Renesans..

There are very few technical information in menu. No Signal strength information, just quality and MCS modulation method. On RF spectral analyser we saw something like 2GHz channel width, but we need to get pre amplifier to see more. Estimated POut ERP is 100 mW, the gain of antenna is unknown, but we estimated something from 13-20 dBi. Anyway with this we are still linking on 200m, tests will follow! Premature Merry Christmas!!
What results are you getting?
Still expecting some kits I ordered for a test.
But in all, I expect a good result for backhauling of WiFi traffic around clusters of buildings.
A 200m LOS/nLOS distance is good enough in my use case.
200m is behind the edge for using. We are expecting range of 140-160m is the max with wAP, as the gain of antenna and estimated 20dBm ERP. THis makes sense, that with antenna 1 feet you can gain next 40dB ! of gain with correct EIRP parameter, we will know more soon
Thanks for sharing. Sure the antenna size should be small at 60GHz. And that gives the size advantage but with higher propagation losses I doubt if your signal can go far.
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:18 am

im already writing about this in viewtopic.php?f=7&t=128251
obviously its possible to mount wap60 board inside lhg housing, i think its possible to mount in ldf housing also,
only question is how mehanical fix 60ghz antenna on top of the board before replacing housing.
further mounting ldf on a larger parabola is simple task.
dont forget big problem about aiming on 60ghz.
big question for mikrotik is why we dont have more data about 60ghz board and why we dont have more control on that boards?
there are some logic for wap60 regarding his simplified role in network.
but, how do they think we can use and setup lhg60 as PtP without detailed information about the signal,rates?
how to examine and find problem when it arises on 60ghz links if we do not have any information?
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:25 am

Hello, what are test results of this equipment?

Our experience is quite surprising, keep on mind this is WiFi Renesans..

There are very few technical information in menu. No Signal strength information, just quality and MCS modulation method. On RF spectral analyser we saw something like 2GHz channel width, but we need to get pre amplifier to see more. Estimated POut ERP is 100 mW, the gain of antenna is unknown, but we estimated something from 13-20 dBi. Anyway with this we are still linking on 200m, tests will follow! Premature Merry Christmas!!


What results are you getting?
Still expecting some kits I ordered for a test.
But in all, I expect a good result for backhauling of WiFi traffic around clusters of buildings.
A 200m LOS/nLOS distance is good enough in my use case.
200m is behind the edge for using. We are expecting range of 140-160m is the max with wAP, as the gain of antenna and estimated 20dBm ERP. THis makes sense, that with antenna 1 feet you can gain next 40dB ! of gain with correct EIRP parameter, we will know more soon
Thanks for sharing. Sure the antenna size should be small at 60GHz. And that gives the size advantage but with higher propagation losses I doubt if your signal can go far.
All the factors are just great. Huge propagation loss (12dB/km) are keen to dense repeating of band, the narrow beams will be ok up to 1 km. Right now we made several tweaks, making 500m with MCS 8.
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:43 am

im already writing about this in viewtopic.php?f=7&t=128251
obviously its possible to mount wap60 board inside lhg housing, i think its possible to mount in ldf housing also,
only question is how mehanical fix 60ghz antenna on top of the board before replacing housing.
further mounting ldf on a larger parabola is simple task.
dont forget big problem about aiming on 60ghz.
big question for mikrotik is why we dont have more data about 60ghz board and why we dont have more control on that boards?
there are some logic for wap60 regarding his simplified role in network.
but, how do they think we can use and setup lhg60 as PtP without detailed information about the signal,rates?
how to examine and find problem when it arises on 60ghz links if we do not have any information?
Hi, totally agree there are very few user interface information fir those who use it in professional basis, but enough for dummies. I believe MikroTik will release more tweaks for this band, it is not necessary to mess with band this way. Channel width is about 2 GHz, which wastes band, and capacity on 16QAM is 4,5GBPS. This needs to be chopped to subbbands like 225MHz, 500MHz or 1GHz channels to make better location planning which will be enough to carry 500Mbit in 16QAM, or 1Gbit in 256QAM etc.. We see big underdevelopment in radio part and antenna. There are also 4 nests for modules, which will bring expansion for yx MIMO. This is complete new revolution of WISPs !
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:59 am

Hi, totally agree there are very few user interface information fir those who use it in professional basis, but enough for dummies. I believe MikroTik will release more tweaks for this band, it is not necessary to mess with band this way. Channel width is about 2 GHz, which wastes band, and capacity on 16QAM is 4,5GBPS. This needs to be chopped to subbbands like 225MHz, 500MHz or 1GHz channels to make better location planning which will be enough to carry 500Mbit in 16QAM, or 1Gbit in 256QAM etc.. We see big underdevelopment in radio part and antenna. There are also 4 nests for modules, which will bring expansion for yx MIMO. This is complete new revolution of WISPs !
Looks like the chipsets are limited at the moment. Ignitenet (peraso chipset) does not allow to change 2GHz channelwidth, too. Esp where lower bandwidth is enough it would save spectrum. And I guess smaller channels are more stable, too. 60GHz Wifi seems to be at the beginning but will be a very valuable tool.
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Wed Dec 20, 2017 12:42 pm

we cant (without enormous hassle) setup and maintain 60ghz link over more than 500m without rssi signal level.
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Wed Dec 20, 2017 12:46 pm

Hi, totally agree there are very few user interface information fir those who use it in professional basis, but enough for dummies. I believe MikroTik will release more tweaks for this band, it is not necessary to mess with band this way. Channel width is about 2 GHz, which wastes band, and capacity on 16QAM is 4,5GBPS. This needs to be chopped to subbbands like 225MHz, 500MHz or 1GHz channels to make better location planning which will be enough to carry 500Mbit in 16QAM, or 1Gbit in 256QAM etc.. We see big underdevelopment in radio part and antenna. There are also 4 nests for modules, which will bring expansion for yx MIMO. This is complete new revolution of WISPs !
Looks like the chipsets are limited at the moment. Ignitenet (peraso chipset) does not allow to change 2GHz channelwidth, too. Esp where lower bandwidth is enough it would save spectrum. And I guess smaller channels are more stable, too. 60GHz Wifi seems to be at the beginning but will be a very valuable tool.
I dont think so..they are may be limited with modulation method as the LO for multiplier is really bad parameters, but about bandwidth I am completely sure, they can do what ever they want, there is I a Q baseband with 800MHz clock ducted to balance mixer which has harmonic 8 time mulitplier, so if you will put lower baseband the lower bandwidth will be available.
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Wed Dec 20, 2017 12:50 pm

we cant (without enormous hassle) setup and maintain 60ghz link over more than 500m without rssi signal level.
If you use standard mesh antenna, which is fine for 5 GHZ you cant make fortune on 60 GHz, the wavelength is 1/2 cm, I am surprised you made more..
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Thu Dec 21, 2017 4:52 pm

Only Signal and MCS are displayed (in 6.40.5). Lowest signal is 40 (MCS 4) than link disconnect. by Signal 45 is MCS 6 and by Signal 50 is MCS 8. I am not able to read both values from SNMP nor parsing web interface (to put values to my own monitoring system). Anybody have idea?
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:04 pm

320m signal 80 MCS 8 full speed but one side wAP is inserted into LHG XL
Please can you post some pics about this hack?

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Re: wAP 60G experience

Fri Dec 22, 2017 9:35 am

wAP60G uses an complex algorithm to select best elements from patch array. With reflector it needs to be re calibrated to be able to work correctly.
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Fri Dec 22, 2017 9:42 am

In addition to what Antons says, the LHG grid is not optimal to work as reflector for 60GHz. It will only reflect a small part of the signal. Need some more solid stuff
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Fri Dec 22, 2017 1:08 pm

wAP60G uses an complex algorithm to select best elements from patch array. With reflector it needs to be re calibrated to be able to work correctly.
Are you able to provide us interface to enable certain groups of elements of phase array grid?
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Fri Dec 22, 2017 1:12 pm

In addition to what Antons says, the LHG grid is not optimal to work as reflector for 60GHz. It will only reflect a small part of the signal. Need some more solid stuff
We would be happy tp interact more with your developer team on this issue a present whole bunch of new solutions, is there any way ?
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Fri Dec 22, 2017 3:23 pm

We would be happy tp interact more with your developer team on this issue a present whole bunch of new solutions, is there any way ?
You are welcome to email support@mikrotik.com with your ideas, suggestions and observations
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:33 pm

Normis please ETA for the LHG60?

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Re: wAP 60G experience

Sat Dec 23, 2017 12:23 am

@Insider: do You think that in 120m distance Wap60 is strong enough for AF24 replace (max300mbits of traffic) ?
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Sat Dec 23, 2017 4:36 am

320m signal 80 MCS 8 full speed but one side wAP is inserted into LHG XL
Please can you post some pics about this hack?

Thank you
first I tested about 1 month when wAP 60 in LHG only with tape but today I recieved another units so I make new version :-) foto https://ulozto.sk/tam/_PQHTNYRtxU2w
second unit will make today I try better work :-)
 
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Sat Dec 23, 2017 12:18 pm

@Insider: do You think that in 120m distance Wap60 is strong enough for AF24 replace (max300mbits of traffic) ?
Should be OK
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Sat Dec 23, 2017 1:02 pm

obviously its possible to replace wap60 board into lhg box relatively easy. Still I am convinced that the lhg mesh reflector isnt best solution for 60ghz wavelenght.
i will repeat it again. Probably would be the best to replace somehow wap60 board inside ldf box and then mount ldf60 on any appropriate parabolic dish.
I'm pretty sure that mikrotik not planned lhg60 for reliable p2p link over 500m. i dont say its not be a possible but there is regulatory limitations and also price range.
it may be easier to replace lhg60 board inside ldf and then reach a greater distance with parabolic dish especially taking into account the problems with the antenna inside wap60.
I will repeat it again, all this is torture and big hasle if we can not further adjust the parameters of the 60ghz connection, as well monitoring the same ones on the active p2p link.
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Sat Dec 23, 2017 1:12 pm

i dont want to vacillate,
but watching pictures from the assembly wap60 board inside lhg box although you have very elegantly resolved board mounting,
I dont think you have positioned the antenna exactly in the middle of lhg box as it should be for optimum results
please consider this
 
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Sat Dec 23, 2017 2:31 pm

first I tested about 1 month when wAP 60 in LHG only with tape but today I recieved another units so I make new version :-) foto https://ulozto.sk/tam/_PQHTNYRtxU2w
second unit will make today I try better work :-)
thank you a lot
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Sat Dec 23, 2017 2:31 pm

As it was written before LHG is not the type of antenna which is eligible to work properly with the phase array antenna by the first, then the mesh is not proper surface. Except the phase distraction, the surface is not fully exposed to feeder. At the moment you need some surface with f/D about 0.7 - 0.9, the LHG has something like 0.3-0.4
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obviously its possible to replace wap60 board into lhg box relatively easy. Still I am convinced that the lhg mesh reflector isnt best solution for 60ghz wavelenght.
i will repeat it again. Probably would be the best to replace somehow wap60 board inside ldf box and then mount ldf60 on any appropriate parabolic dish.
I'm pretty sure that mikrotik not planned lhg60 for reliable p2p link over 500m. i dont say its not be a possible but there is regulatory limitations and also price range.
it may be easier to replace lhg60 board inside ldf and then reach a greater distance with parabolic dish especially taking into account the problems with the antenna inside wap60.
I will repeat it again, all this is torture and big hasle if we can not further adjust the parameters of the 60ghz connection, as well monitoring the same ones on the active p2p link.
And what cooling ? how make cooling inside lfd ? wAP60 has very big cooler
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:25 pm

its ok to mount radio on metal cooling plate, i just say that antenna should be fixed to center of lhg box.
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:34 pm

mikrotik say, antennas in wap60g a phased array beamforming. i understand why is that important in p2mp conecting several wap60 to one from different directions.
but i dont understand when we have simple wap60 configuration or two wap60 in p2p how that work, meaning whitch patch antennas coresponding inbetween.
i doubt that type of connection include funcionality of all phased array patch.
possibly a key role is in some algorithm in device hardware, so i find its easily solvable but depends from good will from mikrotik.
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:34 pm

And what cooling ? how make cooling inside lfd ? wAP60 has very big cooler
It should consume, by datasheet, only 5W. Also supplied power source is only 24V/0,38A. So I guess wAP60 is overcooled for some reason...
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Sun Dec 24, 2017 10:34 am

I have some questions about hardware:

1) which kind of connector is for the antenna pigtail? Ufl?
2) the communications from board to antenna is base band or 60ghz?
3) is it possible to use longer pigtail?

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And what cooling ? how make cooling inside lfd ? wAP60 has very big cooler
It should consume, by datasheet, only 5W. Also supplied power source is only 24V/0,38A. So I guess wAP60 is overcooled for some reason...
In Idle WAP60g Uses 2,5 W at 23,5V
With max Best running over them it is 3,2 to 3,3 W

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Re: wAP 60G experience

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I have some questions about hardware:

1) which kind of connector is for the antenna pigtail? Ufl?
Looks more likely like UMCC, but not verified...
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Sun Dec 24, 2017 11:03 pm

its not 60ghz antenna pigtail, its look like 60ghz radio or downconverter is integrated on back of phased array pcb,
first cable is power source,
pigtail possible have some rf role, downcoverting to lower freq? or connecting to baseband?
 
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Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:08 pm

its not 60ghz antenna pigtail, its look like 60ghz radio or downconverter is integrated on back of phased array pcb,
first cable is power source,
pigtail possible have some rf role, downcoverting to lower freq? or connecting to baseband?
Cable contains base band and telemetry, it is not uFL neiter ipex, it is smaller
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:39 pm

one of the options, by the way the dimensions are in pdf as well available..

https://www.pasternack.com/images/Produ ... 881-24.pdf
 
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one of the options, by the way the dimensions are in pdf as well available..

https://www.pasternack.com/images/Produ ... 881-24.pdf
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1-24 $1,182.91
 
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Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:49 am

who told you to buy, i think it is very simple to make it by your own, dimensions are available, construction is very simple... placing the tx-rx unit in the center and using "rouper" should give an directional improvement... i did not checked my thoughts, but it might work :) who wanna try/ proove mathematically?
 
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who told you to buy, i think it is very simple to make it by your own, dimensions are available, construction is very simple... placing the tx-rx unit in the center and using "rouper" should give an directional improvement... i did not checked my thoughts, but it might work :) who wanna try/ proove mathematically?
Man, I do not know much about microwaves, but what I know is enough to imagine the price is equal of what you get in this case. If you want to DIY, than (without irony) good luck. So much variables are in play....
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:33 am

who told you to buy, i think it is very simple to make it by your own, dimensions are available, construction is very simple... placing the tx-rx unit in the center and using "rouper" should give an directional improvement... i did not checked my thoughts, but it might work :) who wanna try/ proove mathematically?
Man, I do not know much about microwaves, but what I know is enough to imagine the price is equal of what you get in this case. If you want to DIY, than (without irony) good luck. So much variables are in play....

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Re: wAP 60G experience

Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:39 am

We have placed a link test the distance is 101 meters the link is dropped 4 time in 3 days with light rain. We have a meteo station close to the installation that measured 23mm/hour of rain.during last drop.

With no rain the singnal is 80
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Fri Dec 29, 2017 11:00 am

please give us details about link drop during a rain. Has it preceded degradation or is just link interrupt with the beginning of rain.if the smaller rain interrupts the link to 100 meters it will be great problem. I have already mentioned several times to the mikrotik how to assess the problem if we can not read signal rssi on devices.
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Fri Dec 29, 2017 11:37 am

We have placed a link test the distance is 101 meters the link is dropped 4 time in 3 days with light rain. We have a meteo station close to the installation that measured 23mm/hour of rain.during last drop.

With no rain the singnal is 80
Please upgrade to latest version to support rates under MCS4 and check alignment.
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Fri Dec 29, 2017 2:12 pm

please give us details about link drop during a rain. Has it preceded degradation or is just link interrupt with the beginning of rain.if the smaller rain interrupts the link to 100 meters it will be great problem. I have already mentioned several times to the mikrotik how to assess the problem if we can not read signal rssi on devices.
WIth very very light rain the signal level degrade quick to 50, the worst signal that I see is 30 then the link drop. If I put a speedtest sometimes the signal back to 70 or 80 even with rain, I can't explain why
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Fri Dec 29, 2017 2:22 pm

Please upgrade to latest version to support rates under MCS4 and check alignment.
I am running 6.41.rc66.

Which vversion 6.41 or 6.42rc2 ?
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:12 pm

my 2 cents. i think signal drop is not about rain attenaution at least not on 100m. my opinion is that durring rain rf path enviroment change dynamically, so originated rf, expirience numerous reflections from rain drop and confuse phase array antenna algoritmh.if this is reason that leads us to next generation of mikrotik wap60, device for p2mp where i expect to solve simillar problem. also we must conclude mikrotik must rearange algoritmh on p2p wap60 device to p2p,its not need complex array algoritmh mehanism except for achieving wider beam coverage, and on the end that improved p2p device will be better solution to mounting on dish antenna :)
 
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Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:32 pm

latest version to support rates under MCS4 and check alignment.
Just testing 6.42RC in my room: MCS could fall down to 1 by signal level 35/40, latency going up to 200ms time by time on low signal... When one unit was turned a bit, two signal LED on both units light-up but pings still timed out. There si a few seconds delay from the moment wehn signal leds light-up to pings start replaying. Expect to signal/MCS algorithm still need some improovements. Lowest signal I could achieve is 25.

Is there any way to read signal level and MSC from device programaticaly (SNMP or SSH)? Have custom monitoring system and want to include this boxes for testing.
 
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Fri Dec 29, 2017 8:45 pm

Is there any way to read signal level and MSC from device programaticaly (SNMP or SSH)? Have custom monitoring system and want to include this boxes for testing.
You can get it via SSH using "/interface w60g monitor 0"
We really need SNMP support, though, for integration.
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Is there any way to read signal level and MSC from device programaticaly (SNMP or SSH)? Have custom monitoring system and want to include this boxes for testing.
You can get it via SSH using "/interface w60g monitor 0"
Thanks, I cant find it...
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:00 am

New data from our outdoor test enviroment:

client 1: 97m
client 2: 105m
client 3: 200m wag60g in the focus of cambium450d prime focus parabola

the clients are on the same line (hidden nodes problem) few degrees of difference:

client 1: signal from 50 to 80
client 2: signal from 40 to 60
client 3: signal form 50 to 100

ih the last 24 hours wre have had some rain/wind events here the pics from meteo station the wap60g reports all clients dropping at:

22:21 jan/1/2018
22.44 jan/1/2018

no dropping in the heavier rain event in the mornig
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:55 pm

on China MUM in Wireless Wire Presentation was Info of Antenna gain, 13,5dBi when i´m remember correct...
I missed the Hardware Presentation... hope the Slides are online next week.....
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:52 pm

I've made a simple 85mt. link with wAP 60G.
Signal is 65, MCS 8.. but when I start to pass TCP traffic across the link signal drop and link go down
If I test with UDP BWTest across the link still remain up

Why??

I'm running 6.41
 
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Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:45 pm

@ Lupin
Try max. MTU 1500 (L2MTU 1600) on Wireless-Interface not higher
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:35 am

I can confirm this issue during heavy load (speetest udp both directions) the signal floats from 40 to 60 with loads until 200 Mb/s both direction the signal no drop and it stay stable at 80

Upgrade from 6.41 to 6.42rc6 not solve the problem.
 
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Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:10 am

I've made a simple 85mt. link with wAP 60G.
Signal is 65, MCS 8.. but when I start to pass TCP traffic across the link signal drop and link go down
If I test with UDP BWTest across the link still remain up

Why??

I'm running 6.41
Problem in my case is MTU.
I lowered from 1700 to 1600 and problem disappear
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:11 pm

Can you please monitor CPU core (not CPU, but individual CPU core) usage during this TCP test and report back to us if it hits 100% when problem appears? You can see this usage under System/Resource/CPU menu.
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:05 pm

Making test from wag60g
cpu0: 100%
cpu1: 0%
cpu2: 0%
Cpu3: 0%

Making several test from from HEX gigabit to rb3011 passing wag60g sometime the signal is stable at 80, sometime floats a little bit or sometime floats a lot. cpu0 load is always around 50% and one of the other 3 cpu goes aorund 65%

Ros version is 6.42rc6
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:11 pm

One of the long issue list with ROS6

Bandwidth test is not capable for multi Core

Please don’t make Test from Device themselv!
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:16 pm

I suggest that SFP port be added to this device in future models. That will make it even more superb. My concern is that the board may not have enough space for this.
With SFP included, it will be easy to use the wap g60 to bridge gaps on a fiber transmission path.
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:45 am

Some pictures with the product , we can see ?
 
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Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:28 pm

Yes, testing model: https://trzepak.pl/viewtopic.php?p=480703#p480703

Final product will be with 8 year guarantee for protection without rust and some modifications.
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Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:44 pm

Yes, testing model: https://trzepak.pl/viewtopic.php?p=480703#p480703

Final product will be with 8 year guarantee for protection without rust and some modifications.
Nice work if you can achieve 1km. But, what are your antenna parameters like? What beam width do you achieve on the horizontal axis?
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:23 pm

I don't have spectral analysis so I can't do this, but I think about 20 degrees, because wAPs have 60 degrees and we have more free space to align this antenna for 600 meters.

Antenna is renew NanoBridge 400m with more modifications.
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:31 pm

Hello @Djvolt1942 could I ask for contact? I'm interested in some of your equipment.
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Please send email to: office[at]multimediahd.pl
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:01 am

Dears

Our solution is finished.

Please check our website: http://siec.multimediahd.pl/60ghz#400

Products 300mm, 650mm and special wAP holder very soon.

At this time we preparing also Sector PtMP with special holder and housing for 120 degrees

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Re: wAP 60G experience

Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:30 am

Speed Issues with both firmware... i'm testing now the last release candidate, but i had the same problem with ufficial.

I've a link less than 100mt with 2 wap 60G

I've signal 80 with mcs 8, when i start bandwidth test with tcp signal go down to 50 and mcs to 4-5 and come up at 7 with signal 70-80 sometimes. Bandwidth is max 300mps.
If i test with udp protocol signal will be better and transfer rate will be 1gbps.

if i test a link with real transfert of a file from 2 servers i reach max 7mbps.

Please help me.. l2 mtu is 1600 and mtu 1500.

ARP is enabled
Cliend isolation is enabled
Channel on auto.

Now i've signal 50 and mcs 8 (bandwidth test is off).

I align the link not well? what's happend?
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:21 pm

Please read previous posts testing. Bandwidth test runs on one core, currently You are testing one core packet generation performance, not link throughput.
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:10 pm

Just received mine, I'm impressed :)

I have just tried them inside the office. The link length was about 5 metres.

In order to generate more bandidth with bandwidth-test I have ran two tests in transmit mode, one from each unit. Using UDP it sustained around 900 Mbps
in full duplex.

One problem, though. I have managed to break the locking tab of both table stands.
 
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Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:43 am

Our new test on our Sector 120 degree with special Shield and also Precision 300 Station [300mm with special precision holder to milimeter align HV] :P

3 points = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6c4JrmGkk0 [to show 120 degrees]
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:38 pm

Does anyone have any clarity about UK requirements for these?
From my reading that whilst 60Ghz is license exempt OFCOM require a minimum 30dB antenna to give narrow beams. Reading above it seems the antenna is about 12-14dB so this would make the product unusable in the UK?

***Edit just re-read the distributors web page and they clearly state they are for indoor use only. Such a shame.
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Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:39 am

Does anyone have any clarity about UK requirements for these?
From my reading that whilst 60Ghz is license exempt OFCOM require a minimum 30dB antenna to give narrow beams. Reading above it seems the antenna is about 12-14dB so this would make the product unusable in the UK?
European regulators haven't made a decision yet, although it seems they are studying it. This report from Ofcom suggests it:
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/ ... report.pdf

But for now the only allowed usage without license is, at least in Spain (and I think the EU) is indoors, considering the 802.11ad standard.

However, I guess they will reconsider it eventually. The oxygen absorption peak severely limits the maximum achievable link distance but
at the same time it makes frequency reuse much easier.

Time will tell.
 
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All in Europe: ETSI EN 302 217-2 = 06.2016 and ETSI EN 302 567 12.2016
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:06 pm

MESH wap 60 possible in the future? Sounds like more appropriate for this band. Short range, large spectrum space. What do you think ?
 
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Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:47 am

MESH wap 60 possible in the future? Sounds like more appropriate for this band. Short range, large spectrum space. What do you think ?
For what kind of clients?
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Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:32 pm

I suppose he is reffering to backhaul of traffic from one AP to another AP forming a meshed network. The huge capacity available on the wap60 makes it a candidate for traffic backhauling.
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Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:33 pm

I suppose he is reffering to backhaul of traffic from one AP to another AP forming a meshed network. The huge capacity available on the wap60 makes it a candidate for traffic backhauling.
 
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Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:54 am

Not realy, urban deployment. from neighbors to neighbors.
not for backhauling.
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:34 am

I have one installed about 100m away and it works like a charm.

Getting 100 up and down even in the rain, haven't replaced the poe's yet to get a gig link
There you go then you touched something ;-) : it only takes a change in wind direction to screw with your nat :-)
 
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mesh implement in the future?
 
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Fri Mar 02, 2018 4:16 pm

Dear Sirs,
pls inform if you have any plan to include into software of model wAPG-60 support of NV2 protocol (for m2p networks)
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dear sirs,
pls inform if you have any plan to include into software of model wAPG-60 support of NV2 protocol (for m2p networks)
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:00 pm

A suggestion.

I see that the standard MIB for the 60 GHz interface includes both discards and errors statistics. Are those variables actually updated? It would be helpful to know it for sure.
A note in the documentation would help.
 
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Mon Mar 26, 2018 1:12 pm

Is this improovement:

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What's new in 6.42rc49 (2018-Mar-21 12:34):
*) w60g/Wireless-Wire - increased supported distance for wAP 60G to 200+ meters;
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somehow related to MCS 1-4 provisioning announcement in late december 2017? If not, how is greater operating distance achieved? By increasing of TX power?
 
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By increasing of TX power?
No, by optimizing the driver.
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Mon Mar 26, 2018 1:41 pm

No, by optimizing the driver.
So this man https://youtu.be/S9bMO4r9htI?t=1090 says no truth?
 
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Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:04 pm

No, by optimizing the driver.
So this man https://youtu.be/S9bMO4r9htI?t=1090 says no truth?
Where does he say that the only thing done was boosting TX power?
Several improvements were done in the driver, including beamforming optimisations and others.
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Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:56 pm

No, by optimizing the driver.
So this man https://youtu.be/S9bMO4r9htI?t=1090 says no truth?
Where does he say that the only thing done was boosting TX power?
Several improvements were done in the driver, including beamforming optimisations and others.
He ment greater distance togeather with provisioning MCS under 4 and says something like: "...will suffer with less speed, but distance could be greater", which could be misleading. Thank you for your clarification.

BTW: Could you more specific "and others"? Many people accross web forums experimenting are surely interesting in details.... Thanks
 
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No we can't be more specific, sorry. This is internal workings of a proprietary technology.
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Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:23 pm

No we can't be more specific, sorry. This is internal workings of a proprietary technology.
Understood. Thanks anyway....
 
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Wed Apr 04, 2018 4:15 pm

Have someone tried with some "light" obstacles between the aps? Like trees (not fat branches, yes light leaves), etc.

I'm thinking about to purchase them, now I have -40dBm (got -50dBm in summer with more leaves) on 100m link with 5.8Ghz 5AC 19dBi with 2-3 trees in the middle (most all leaves), and I don't know if would be possible to upgrade the link to 60Ghz with that soft obstacles (or wait to the more powerful and directional LHG 60G to awoid trees). I don't spect to get the full gig, but I'd like to improve my actual real (230~/230mbps) rates

Thanks!
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:42 pm

There are T/Rx-sector items in
interface w60g monitor 0 once
command output.Anybody know what this last two lines exactly means?

connected: yes
       frequency: 60480
  remote-address: 30:07:4D:81:D0:B6
             mcs: 8
          signal: 80
       tx-sector: 54
       rx-sector: 96
 
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Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:06 pm

RC releases will show more information on aligment by using sector calibration inforation
There are T/Rx-sector items in
interface w60g monitor 0 once
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connected: yes
       frequency: 60480
  remote-address: 30:07:4D:81:D0:B6
             mcs: 8
          signal: 80
       tx-sector: 54
       rx-sector: 96
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:44 am

wAP 60G by the google maps 238m distance. In good weather condition
mcs: 4
          signal: 40
            rssi: -70
       tx-sector: 28
  tx-sector-info: left 3.8 degrees, down 3.8 degrees
       rx-sector: 96
In btest UDP have 600-800Mbps also have half hour with rain speed drop to 100Mbps in test.
For now wating rain again to see results.
 
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Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:39 pm

I apologize my grammatical errors, my english not so good, I am not a native speaker.
Wiki is maintained in English. I use Google translator. 8)
 
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wAP 60G by the google maps 238m distance. In good weather condition
mcs: 4
          signal: 40
            rssi: -70
       tx-sector: 28
  tx-sector-info: left 3.8 degrees, down 3.8 degrees
       rx-sector: 96
In btest UDP have 600-800Mbps also have half hour with rain speed drop to 100Mbps in test.
For now wating rain again to see results.
On what ROS? Newest r59 or 6.41.4?

There are same wAP60G link without any our shields etc?
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Hello ,

our first test on real link. Distance about 240m , perfect LOS without particular aim.

We using traffic generator for check bandwidth and latency. Test using tcp packet of 1500.

Very nice :-)

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ps . please make a note on rc59 changelog for Ap Bridge BROKEN !! :-9
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On what ROS? Newest r59 or 6.41.4?

There are same wAP60G link without any our shields etc?
rb56 for now, planing upgrade to final version in Friday. Just wAP60G unit from Wire kit package without anything.
Also today is raining have some link drops but they has been just for 1s that say in log.
 
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Ap-bridge mode should be fixed in latest current and RC releases.
 
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Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:05 pm

Sorry for delay I had long period of heavy metal :) Too busy to make things which make sense..

So.. Our tests.. With the regular body of wAP we are getting stable link for 150m, anything more make pain during rain (yes rains came finally)

The good story is we are making with wAP now links for more then 500m, with regular AP and modified clients..
Here we go 240 m with modified client, last prototype:
connected: yes
frequency: 58320
remote-address: 30:07:4D:84:A0:52
mcs: 8
signal: 95
rssi: -56
tx-sector: 27
tx-sector-info: right 3.8 degrees, down 3.8 degrees
rx-sector: 96

If we will make both clients same way it will have on same link rssi:-48, we will see if MT will go for this solution..
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Hello,

Question;

With RouterOS 6.42 i saw w60g > status: MCS: 9/10/11.
Now with RouterOS 6.42.1 i only see MCS: 8 or lower. Is this a bug of feature?

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Multiple instalallation with in close range on pole brings unstability, we are now installing shields to try if performance will be better (1 site, 3APs, 20 cm far each from other, different frequencies, 3 clients on each)
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Hello,

Question;

With RouterOS 6.42 i saw w60g > status: MCS: 9/10/11.
Now with RouterOS 6.42.1 i only see MCS: 8 or lower. Is this a bug of feature?

jarod
Seems to be a feature.
http://rfmw.em.keysight.com/wireless/he ... ncepts.htm
MCS8 is more than enough to carry 2Gbps.
More is not necessary, because 1000Base-T is the limiting factor here.
 
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Hi,
I've recently tested p2p on wAP 60G with tagged transmission to switch and vlans. Unicast is working without ant problems but i've noticed that multicast (iptv) streams has problem with continuity.
I'm generating (using iperf) tcp traffic between two machines that are using 60g connection and problems appears but only if traffic is from same side that multicast stream is coming.
When i'm generating (about 1Gbps) in backard direction there is no continuity errors.
Any ideas ? (link has about 10m - set on table).

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Hi,
I've recently tested p2p on wAP 60G with tagged transmission to switch and vlans. Unicast is working without ant problems but i've noticed that multicast (iptv) streams has problem with continuity.
I'm generating (using iperf) tcp traffic between two machines that are using 60g connection and problems appears but only if traffic is from same side that multicast stream is coming.
When i'm generating (about 1Gbps) in backard direction there is no continuity errors.
Any ideas ? (link has about 10m - set on table).
I wonder... Do these units lower the MCS when transmitting multicast or broadcast traffic, like other wireless protocols? For wireless point to point links that shouldn't happen in my opinion.

If the link is very short and you are running a recent version check the signal levels, you might be suffering signal overload. I had to lower power for a 20 - 30 m link because it got a bit unstable.
 
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Hi,
I've recently tested p2p on wAP 60G with tagged transmission to switch and vlans. Unicast is working without ant problems but i've noticed that multicast (iptv) streams has problem with continuity.
I'm generating (using iperf) tcp traffic between two machines that are using 60g connection and problems appears but only if traffic is from same side that multicast stream is coming.
When i'm generating (about 1Gbps) in backard direction there is no continuity errors.
Any ideas ? (link has about 10m - set on table).
I wonder... Do these units lower the MCS when transmitting multicast or broadcast traffic, like other wireless protocols? For wireless point to point links that shouldn't happen in my opinion.

If the link is very short and you are running a recent version check the signal levels, you might be suffering signal overload. I had to lower power for a 20 - 30 m link because it got a bit unstable.
I've tested this setup on short link (table) and outside (link about 90m). Same problem in both cases,

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Can I expect full throughput at 70 m distance through one tree using the Wireless Wire Dish (RBLHGG-60ad kit)?
 
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Anyone tested wAP 60G (with no modification) on 210m can I get >150mbit, should I expect disconnect on light rain?
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One suggestion: It would be great to be able to graph information such as RSSI, signal, MCS, tx-sector and rx-sector (or better yet, tx-sector-info) and Phy rate these interfaces.

Given that some of it is not available over SNMP and that even for people with SNMP management software it can be tricky to add custom OIDs I think it would be really helpful!
 
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Anyone tested wAP 60G (with no modification) on 210m can I get >150mbit, should I expect disconnect on light rain?
Thanks.
Link is up and running distance 210m, throughput is 350mbit (btest is made from wAP to wAP), 24h no disconnects for now looks promising, just waiting for the rain.
Only one minor problem, I can't understand why signal is fluctuating so much from 30-60, every second signal is changing 30-35-40-50-55-60 than again 60-50-45-35-30 all the time
Why is that ?

Oh yes I m using 6.42.1 OS.
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Link is up and running distance 210m, throughput is 350mbit (btest is made from wAP to wAP), 24h no disconnects for now looks promising, just waiting for the rain.
Only one minor problem, I can't understand why signal is fluctuating so much from 30-60, every second signal is changing 30-35-40-50-55-60 than again 60-50-45-35-30 all the time
Why is that ?
Multipath? What does the environment look like?

With the latest releases you can try to fix the "tx-sector" parameter.
 
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djvolt1942 shields for what?
Bergante Multipath? - don't get it!, What does the environment look like? ?!like moisture, LOS... ??
 
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not sure, should I tweak something after upgrade ?
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How far is the link? Please provide CLI output from both ends:
/interface w60g monitor wlan60-1
 
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/interface w60g monitor wlan60-1
connected: yes
frequency: 60480
remote-address: 30:07:4D:
mcs: 8
signal: 50
tx-sector: 63
rx-sector: 96

interface w60g monitor wlan60-1
connected: yes
frequency: 60480
remote-address: 30:07:4D:
mcs: 8
signal: 50
tx-sector: 24
rx-sector: 96

Link length is around 130m.
but I downgraded them to rc52 to have more stable link now.
 
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Try to switch used frequency to 58320 and upgrade to 6.42.1
 
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We use 58GHz for far link like 600, 800 meters :P

Lakis - shields for far links up to 300meters or better stability in snowy/rainy day, also for reduce SNR from wap to wap or MultiPoint...
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Bergante Multipath? - don't get it!, What does the environment look like? ?!like moisture, LOS... ??
It's a long shot, but depending on how you have installed the units you might be getting multiple reflections? One of my
units is installed on a window (outside of course) and it's in a corner with three walls around. That's a scenario
that can be troublesome in some cases.

In theory that might sometimes confuse the beam selection algorithm, and, if that was the case (sorry, it's really
hypothetical but I haven't seen your installation) selecting a fixed beam configuration might help.

Anyway the experiment is easy. If it's just a point to point link look at the tx-sector values when the
link is performing best and configure them statically. if that solves the problem then you had something
disturbing the beam selection algorithm.
 
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Try to switch used frequency to 58320 and upgrade to 6.42.1
why should I change freq? It seems to work quite good with rc52. there is no noise or other 60ghz link visible under scan. besides if it works worse with newer routerOS
I doubt Your advice is to solve problem looks rather as a workaround.
Sad.
 
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Try to switch used frequency to 58320 and upgrade to 6.42.1
why should I change freq? It seems to work quite good with rc52. there is no noise or other 60ghz link visible under scan. besides if it works worse with newer routerOS
I doubt Your advice is to solve problem looks rather as a workaround.
Are the tx-sector and rx-sector numbers changing often? If they are, fixing tx-sector could be beneficial.

My link (very short, around 30 metres crossing a street) actually worsened a lot when Mikrotik improved the antenna patterns. But the only reason was signal overload. Reducing power solved it.

Monitor tx-sector regularly and let's see.
 
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Try to switch used frequency to 58320 and upgrade to 6.42.1
why should I change freq? It seems to work quite good with rc52. there is no noise or other 60ghz link visible under scan. besides if it works worse with newer routerOS
I doubt Your advice is to solve problem looks rather as a workaround.
Sad.
Different frequencies has different attenuation over air. Channel 2 isn't picked up automatically on free spectrum if "frequency=auto"
 
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Mon May 21, 2018 8:46 pm

I had the same problem with a ~30m link. New firmware was just too hot. Lowering tx-power to 10 on both sides helped tremendously
Try to switch used frequency to 58320 and upgrade to 6.42.1
why should I change freq? It seems to work quite good with rc52. there is no noise or other 60ghz link visible under scan. besides if it works worse with newer routerOS
I doubt Your advice is to solve problem looks rather as a workaround.
Are the tx-sector and rx-sector numbers changing often? If they are, fixing tx-sector could be beneficial.

My link (very short, around 30 metres crossing a street) actually worsened a lot when Mikrotik improved the antenna patterns. But the only reason was signal overload. Reducing power solved it.

Monitor tx-sector regularly and let's see.
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And 6.43rc17 has vastly improved one of our longer links (~170m)
Waiting for a final release to upgrade to the rest.
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And 6.43rc17 has vastly improved one of our longer links (~170m)
Waiting for a final release to upgrade to the rest.
what FW was before upgrade to 43rc17 ?
 
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@MonkeyDan
What software are you using for the grath visualization?
 
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after upgrade from
6.42rc52 to 43rc17
i've got ERROR WRONG PASSWORD after trying to login into ( using winbox 3.11)
?!?!
is it some kind of very late aprilfool joke?
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Look viewtopic.php?f=21&t=133420&start=100#p663507 at the end of post say need to use new Winbox 3.14 in rc17.
 
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new version will have distance measurement tool, it would be cool if we could get some feedback to support@mikrotik.com
 
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@npero thanks, with this beta winbox and webbox password works ok.

@antonsb where Can I find dist. measurment tool ?
 
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@antonsb where Can I find dist. measurment tool ?
On the AP/master: /interface w60g station monitor 0
[admin@w60-master] /interface w60g station> monitor 0
       connected: yes
          remote: 30:07:4D::
             mcs: 8
        phy-rate: 2.3Gbps
          signal: 80
            rssi: -54
       tx-sector: 21
  tx-sector-info: left 11.4 degrees, down 11.4 degrees
       rx-sector: 96
        distance: 18.34m
And on the slave,
[admin@w60-slave] /interface w60g> monitor 0
       connected: yes
       frequency: 58320
  remote-address: 30:07:4D::
             mcs: 8
        phy-rate: 2.3Gbps
          signal: 80
            rssi: -53
       tx-sector: 20
  tx-sector-info: left 3.8 degrees, down 11.4 degrees
       rx-sector: 96
        distance: 18.33m
-- [Q quit|D dump|C-z pause]
Before someone gets nervous with the signal levels at a distance of 20 metres: I lowered tx-power to 10 for both units.
 
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strange on 6.43rc17 i get this :/
int w60g station monitor 0                
  connected: yes
     remote: 30:07:4D:
        mcs: 8
   phy-rate: 2.3Gbps
     signal: 80
       rssi: -70
  tx-sector: 63
  rx-sector: 96
 
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@MonkeyDan
What software are you using for the grath visualization?
rrdtool https://oss.oetiker.ch/rrdtool/
Specifically a Perl script to do an snmpwalk and write the values to an RRD which can be graphed with rrdgraph.
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And 6.43rc17 has vastly improved one of our longer links (~170m)
Waiting for a final release to upgrade to the rest.
what FW was before upgrade to 43rc17 ?
6.42.1
 
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after upgrade to 43rc19
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w60g_1421 .jpg
Test in Rainy day, Light Rainfall, on 1200 meters link Rock Solid Signal 80 mcs 8 everytime
New model of aluminium antenna with draft shield on the front soon :P

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Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:38 am

Hi guys, we finalised a EM concentrator solution for ranges up to 600m.. It is compact solution for current housing with extra gain 10 dB for each end..

connected: yes
frequency: 58320
remote-address: 30:07:4D:87:84:16
mcs: 8
phy-rate: 2.3Gbps
signal: 80
rssi: -51
tx-sector: 27
tx-sector-info: right 3.8 degrees, down 3.8 degrees
rx-sector: 96
distance: 231.2m

Shortly we will have ready market solution

We found some bug, that by this level of signal device disconnects time to time
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Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:32 pm

This will be fixed in next RC version
 
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OK, I lied you.. Should be fine up to 1 km with -63
We will build a link shortly for 973 m to test it..
Here it is how it looks like in prototypes, it has simple aiming tool (which is completely correct)

Next week we will improve the LHG.
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This Horn is made from Plastic or Metal? :P

You can reach on this about 600m?
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This Horn is made from Plastic or Metal? :P

You can reach on this about 600m?
What you prefer, plastic or metal ? We can make you limited edition :)

We will reach 1km with this.
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This Horn is made from Plastic or Metal? :P

You can reach on this about 600m?
What you prefer, plastic or metal ? We can make you limited edition :)

We will reach 1km with this.
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ok ok, the wAPs will be original with this or we will do something with original plastic case?

I think Aluminum will be much better than plastic...

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You try to sell your ugly stuff in the MT-Forum? Please keep away with this. Order a booth at a MUM if you want to make money or ask MT to sell you AD-Banners on the website.
I am not trying, to sell anything to anybody. In business, there are certain conditions which are specified offer and demand, it is reasonable to know price for buyer, and the seller should offer it somewhere something to sell. Those two condition were not met, thats why you get probably confused about, once you ask.
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ok ok, the wAPs will be original with this or we will do something with original plastic case?

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Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:35 pm

Hello,

Question;

With RouterOS 6.42 i saw w60g > status: MCS: 9/10/11.
Now with RouterOS 6.42.1 i only see MCS: 8 or lower. Is this a bug of feature?

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Seems to be a feature.
http://rfmw.em.keysight.com/wireless/he ... ncepts.htm
MCS8 is more than enough to carry 2Gbps.
More is not necessary, because 1000Base-T is the limiting factor here.

Just to make the story complete.
In 6.42.4 i noticed MCS 10 and MCS 11 again.
Not sure if it got changed back or something prevented me from going 'full' speed before.

Testing with winbox 3.15 and Bandwidth Test 6.42.4, Wireless Wire.
 
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Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:52 pm

Update 6.42.5:
*) w60g - added 4th 802.11ad channel (CLI only);
*) w60g - added distance measurement;
*) w60g - general stability and performance improvements;
*) w60g - improved maximum achievable distance;
*) w60g - properly report center status under "tx-sector-info";

Only seeing MCS 8 again.
Which has a PHY Rate of 2.3 Gbps, which of course is more than enough.
Cool updates! Hope to see the 4th channel in the GUI soon.

And in the future, can you use 1 Wireless Wire as 60 GHz WiFi AP?
Or maybe you already can? Still learning a lot.
 
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Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:54 pm

Update 6.42.5:
*) w60g - added 4th 802.11ad channel (CLI only);
*) w60g - added distance measurement;
*) w60g - general stability and performance improvements;
*) w60g - improved maximum achievable distance;
*) w60g - properly report center status under "tx-sector-info";

Only seeing MCS 8 again.
Which has a PHY Rate of 2.3 Gbps, which of course is more than enough.
Cool updates! Hope to see the 4th channel in the GUI soon.

And in the future, can you use 1 Wireless Wire as 60 GHz WiFi AP?
Or maybe you already can? Still learning a lot.
You can if You upgrade license to level4, or You can get wAP60G AP:
https://mikrotik.com/product/wap_60g_ap
 
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Sun Jul 08, 2018 7:00 pm

Introduction of QAM16 in 6.43.42 was not succesfull. MCS 10 but performance close to dial-up networking :-/
 
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Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:49 pm

Need your advice.

I just installed wAP60g kit but horizontally. Left is MASTER, right is SLAVE. Is this supported? Should I cover any holes where water could potentially leak? With what? Silicone? Anyway, it works well. Even with heavy rain - and I mean heavy as fcuk.

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Distance is 72m and stats as seen here:

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Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:01 am

The cable must ti oriented down, rotate you device that cable is down, in that case not need any other method to make it water proof.
Mounting like on picture is just mater of time when water or condensed water will fill up case and fry electronic inside.

MUST BE installed vertically if you need to work long time :).
 
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Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:46 pm

Slave is mounted to the window sill and this is the only way - house owner do not allow us to mount it in any other way. I mounted it using quickmount pro, but I'll try to mount it using quickmount pro lhg - it should be in correct position.

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Fixed ;)

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Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:27 pm

https://mikrotik.com/download/changelogs

What's new in 6.42.6 (2018-Jul-06 11:56):

*) bridge - improved packets processing when bridge port changes states;
*) crs3xx - fixed bonding slave failover when packets are sent out of the bridge interface;
*) crs3xx - fixed LACP member failover;
*) crs3xx - improved link state detection when one side has disabled interface;
*) defconf - fixed bridge default configuration for SOHO devices with more than 9 Ethernet interfaces;
*) package - free up used storage space consumed by old RouterOS upgrades;
*) snmp - fixed w60g "phy-rate" readings;
*) supout - added "ip-cloud" section to supout file;
*) w60g - fixed random disconnects;
*) w60g - general stability and performance improvements;
*) winbox - added 64,8 GHz frequency to w60g interface frequency settings;
*) winbox - show "sector-writes" on devices that have such counters;

Important update! 4th channel/frequency, in case you may need it :)
But most importantly, the random disconnects are fixed. And i thought i did something wrong.
Very happy with this update, good job!

Update:
After a night of sleep, 7 link downs. Testing in the living room.
Now off to work, see how it goes.

Update 2:
After about 10 hours, no more link downs. Who knows, maybe my living room is haunted during the night. :lol:
Will keep testing!

Update 3:
Link downs from 8 to 23 during day time.
So yeah, the fix is not 100% yet.
Hope the developers read this.
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:49 am

Installed a LHGG-60ad link a few days ago. Couple questions for those that have some of these up:

1) Is there an SNMP OID for the RSSI? We are graphing signal and MCS but I prefer to capture RSSI.

2) What are you doing to aim? I have aimed Siklu, IgniteNet and other millimeter wave gear but the aiming for these is different. I feel like there is beam steering on the AP and it makes it very hard to aim with beam steering on. I'd like a more responsive RSSI meter or another method for aiming. We keep hitting side lobes but the numbers are not very responsive. Are there tricks or can you turn off beam steering (if it's on)?

3) Where do I adjust TX power? We are a 233 meter link and I think "default" power is too strong. We see lots of fluctuations with signal.

Firmware is 6.42.6 Not wanting to run RC's on a production link...
 
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in CLI:

/interface w60g set wlan60-1 tx-power=1...15
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Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:13 am

Someone knows the default tx poxer of lhg and wag60?
 
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LHG60: I think 15 :P
wAP60: I think 5
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Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:18 pm

Theorically default tx power of LHG is less than WAP60

In old thread I find this
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Hi Mikrotik dudes, do you plan add an SFP interface on wAP 60G ?
 
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What's new in 6.42.7 (2018-Aug-17 09:48):

MAJOR CHANGES IN v6.42.7:
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!) security - fixed vulnerabilities CVE-2018-1156, CVE-2018-1157, CVE-2018-1158, CVE-2018-1159;
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*) w60g - added distance measurement feature;
*) w60g - fixed random disconnects;
*) w60g - general stability and performance improvements;
*) w60g - improved MCS rate detection process;
*) w60g - improved MTU change handling;
*) w60g - properly close connection with station on disconnect;
*) w60g - stop doing distance measurements after first successful measurement;
...

Link has been online all night and day after this update.
Testing in my living room. Wireless Wire that is.

So very advised update! Good stuff.

Update:
Last Link Up Time: Aug/23/2018 04:59:43 (now Aug/25/2018/06:05:00)
Link Downs: 0

Very happy with this update.
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Tue Sep 11, 2018 4:39 pm

Just curious to know if someone has put 8 in clients on WAP 60?
 
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Yes, total 18 clients for 3 sectors with wAP60G, Todays max 200meters form Sector...
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Have you tried to run 8 speedtest from the clients? Can you share the performance?
 
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Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:19 pm

Is there some tests completed on RBLHGG-60ad with frost cover on the reflector ?
What can we expect, how it will behave in winter?
 
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Is there some tests completed on RBLHGG-60ad with frost cover on the reflector ?
What can we expect, how it will behave in winter?
I also like to add a question how many clients AP support? with new LHG 60G lite for clients it's datasheet says it can support maximum of 3 clients per AP which seems quite low imho.
 
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All 60GHz devices in AP mode currently supports up to 8 clients.
 
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Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:23 pm

@antonsb in the next future we can expect 16 o more clients in AP mode?
All 60GHz devices in AP mode currently supports up to 8 clients.
 
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Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:55 am

Hi, I have problems with my mikrotik. I can not get more than 200 symmetric Mbs

If I do a btest only with Tx = 596 and Rx = 0 Mbs
If I do u btest only reception TX = 0 and RX = 450 Mbs
I do the teas with Tx and RX and the result is Tx = 145 and Rx = 98 - 120 (it has fluctuations)
The distance <600 m

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Sun Oct 28, 2018 8:13 am

check the cpu cores load of both antennas during the speedtest, from terminal:

system resource cpu print interval=1
 
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check the cpu cores load of both antennas during the speedtest, from terminal:

system resource cpu print interval=1
And don’t forget that LhG60 has Quad Core CPU and Bandwidth Test only utilized one core.....
So if you see 25% CPU using, it is maxed out!
 
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How can I have one wAP60G client have a signal of 45 while MCS 6 or 7 and a second wAP60G client have signal 55 but only MCS3?

Would higher more signal not mean higher MCS?
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Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:55 pm

How can I have one wAP60G client have a signal of 45 while MCS 6 or 7 and a second wAP60G client have signal 55 but only MCS3?

Would higher more signal not mean higher MCS?
Could be multiple reflections? Difficult to know without having a look.

I have been following the early versions and although my link is short (18 m, just crossing a street) it proved to be troublesome with multiple reflections. The last
beta version (6.44beta28) is rock solid for me. However, make sure to run the same version in the clients and AP units. Otherwise I think that the beam training features can fail.
 
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Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:18 pm

LHG60 @4,7km :D Of course its unstable, just for testing purposes
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Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:31 pm

When will we get MCS12? :D

1300 meters link with latest Metrolinq firmware:

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Wed Nov 21, 2018 3:33 am

There is no point having MCS12 when we are limited by GigE interface (I'm sure current hardware can do it, but there is no point why go that high). Instead of making cheap 100Mbit/s CPEs, Mikrotik should release SFP+ version or something like wired 5Gb/s. Also reducing modulation speed to get more channels would be nice, there is no point wasting entire current 2GHz channel to serve a few 100Mbit/s clients....
 
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There is no point having MCS12 when we are limited by GigE interface (I'm sure current hardware can do it, but there is no point why go that high). Instead of making cheap 100Mbit/s CPEs, Mikrotik should release SFP+ version or something like wired 5Gb/s. Also reducing modulation speed to get more channels would be nice, there is no point wasting entire current 2GHz channel to serve a few 100Mbit/s clients....
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There is no point having MCS12 when we are limited by GigE interface (I'm sure current hardware can do it, but there is no point why go that high). Instead of making cheap 100Mbit/s CPEs, Mikrotik should release SFP+ version or something like wired 5Gb/s. Also reducing modulation speed to get more channels would be nice, there is no point wasting entire current 2GHz channel to serve a few 100Mbit/s clients....
I could be wrong but I think regulations mandate the use of 2Ghz channels in that band.
(and the Metrolinq has a 2.5G ethernet port)
 
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There is no point having MCS12 when we are limited by GigE interface (I'm sure current hardware can do it, but there is no point why go that high). Instead of making cheap 100Mbit/s CPEs, Mikrotik should release SFP+ version or something like wired 5Gb/s. Also reducing modulation speed to get more channels would be nice, there is no point wasting entire current 2GHz channel to serve a few 100Mbit/s clients....
I could be wrong but I think regulations mandate the use of 2Ghz channels in that band.
(and the Metrolinq has a 2.5G ethernet port)
I know Ignite since 2015, but Mikrotik doesn’t have any 60G Device with More then 1gig port.

Channel widths could be Hardware problem but no regulation problem!
 
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There is no point having MCS12 when we are limited by GigE interface (I'm sure current hardware can do it, but there is no point why go that high). Instead of making cheap 100Mbit/s CPEs, Mikrotik should release SFP+ version or something like wired 5Gb/s. Also reducing modulation speed to get more channels would be nice, there is no point wasting entire current 2GHz channel to serve a few 100Mbit/s clients....
100% agree. If we would be able to halve the bandwidth we could still serve 4-8 clients per AP but since we now could have 8 different frequencies in total we can make an 8 AP tower serving a max of 64 clients. By smart placing the AP's and distribution of the channels we would still have a undisturbed (interference) spectrum for the clients and would still be able to deliver 100Mbps or more to the clients.
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 12:33 pm

How can I have one wAP60G client have a signal of 45 while MCS 6 or 7 and a second wAP60G client have signal 55 but only MCS3?

Would higher more signal not mean higher MCS?
Could be multiple reflections? Difficult to know without having a look.

I have been following the early versions and although my link is short (18 m, just crossing a street) it proved to be troublesome with multiple reflections. The last
beta version (6.44beta28) is rock solid for me. However, make sure to run the same version in the clients and AP units. Otherwise I think that the beam training features can fail.
Well, don't know. We have 4 wAP60G AP units in a mast, using all the 4 frequencies.
We have one AP with 1 client at 132 meter and both units running 6.44beta28.........rock solid
But the other 3 wAP60G AP PtMP networks were all on 6.44beta28 as well, all with 2 or 4 clients, all with 20 to 150 meter distance, and all loads of cuts.Special with light rain loads of cuts. Even more then when we have heavy rain which only sees the signals en MCS rates drop.
Two of these wAP60 AP's we already brought back to 6.43.4 which made the drops much less.
I have seen several saying 6.44beta28 is rock solid, to us in general it doesn't seem so....
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 12:35 pm

There is no point having MCS12 when we are limited by GigE interface (I'm sure current hardware can do it, but there is no point why go that high). Instead of making cheap 100Mbit/s CPEs, Mikrotik should release SFP+ version or something like wired 5Gb/s. Also reducing modulation speed to get more channels would be nice, there is no point wasting entire current 2GHz channel to serve a few 100Mbit/s clients....
100% agree. If we would be able to halve the bandwidth we could still serve 4-8 clients per AP but since we now could have 8 different frequencies in total we can make an 8 AP tower serving a max of 64 clients. By smart placing the AP's and distribution of the channels we would still have a undisturbed (interference) spectrum for the clients and would still be able to deliver 100Mbps or more to the clients.
100% agree. 1+
The larger antenna is the larger range + Radom
LARGE antenna LHG XL 60 GHz 550mm ( LHG 60Ghz 330mm )

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Wed Nov 21, 2018 12:53 pm

There is no point having MCS12 when we are limited by GigE interface (I'm sure current hardware can do it, but there is no point why go that high). Instead of making cheap 100Mbit/s CPEs, Mikrotik should release SFP+ version or something like wired 5Gb/s. Also reducing modulation speed to get more channels would be nice, there is no point wasting entire current 2GHz channel to serve a few 100Mbit/s clients....
100% agree. If we would be able to halve the bandwidth we could still serve 4-8 clients per AP but since we now could have 8 different frequencies in total we can make an 8 AP tower serving a max of 64 clients. By smart placing the AP's and distribution of the channels we would still have a undisturbed (interference) spectrum for the clients and would still be able to deliver 100Mbps or more to the clients.
100% agree. 1+
The larger antenna is the larger range + Radom
LARGE antenna LHG XL 60 GHz 550mm ( LHG 60Ghz 330mm )

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the range with the 600mm antenna would be over 8km
Did you actually test that antenna?
There is a physical limit for the signal range unless you boost the radio output. Next you are going to tell us that with a 2 meter dish you can do 20km in 60Ghz. No way.... attenuation will still break down the signal. Maybe if you put a 500Watt booster on the radio..... everything has to be metal by then.... :lol:
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 2:01 pm

dear MikroTik guys... plz add 60GHz products to your Wireless Calculator! :)
 
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Channel widths could be Hardware problem but no regulation problem!

The larger antenna is the larger range + Radom
LARGE antenna LHG XL 60 GHz 550mm ( LHG 60Ghz 330mm )

the range with the 600mm antenna would be over 8km

Right, 500hz width channel at 66Ghz+ frequency with 50+ EIRP for the win! Seems nobody even pretend to operate legal links here. Oh, yeah, I forgot: it's just for testing!
 
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 3:07 pm

There is no point having MCS12 when we are limited by GigE interface. Also reducing modulation speed to get more channels would be nice, there is no point wasting entire current 2GHz channel to serve a few 100Mbit/s clients....
Oh, and by the way, you want 500Mhz channel and don't see why MCS12 would be useful, even with full duplex Gbps interface?

PS: Personally, I don't care about 100Mbps clients. I only use 60Ghz for backhaul. The LHG are mainly PtP anyway.
 
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 6:30 pm

There is no point having MCS12 when we are limited by GigE interface. Also reducing modulation speed to get more channels would be nice, there is no point wasting entire current 2GHz channel to serve a few 100Mbit/s clients....
Oh, and by the way, you want 500Mhz channel and don't see why MCS12 would be useful, even with full duplex Gbps interface?
Sure, with narrow channel high MCSs would make a sense. But if anything, it seems to be a hardware limitation of used 60GHz radio chipset to only support 2GHz channels. So if anything, I expect some better interface options from Mikrotik. Wouldn't be surprised if they already have some prototype with SFP+ but it usually takes a long time for a new product to appear and even longer to be available...
Most flexible option would be SFP+ and one or more GigE ports. You could use GigE for POE and data for the building while connecting two 60G bridge units back to back with SFP+ DAC cable for a high capacity backbone link.
 
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:34 pm

A 1/2.5/5/10Gb ethernet interface would be great as it would work on most existing cables. (I have 10Gb over 30m of cat5e cable, not even cat6)

But even before such interface, I would like a better antenna with radome so that 1km+ links would be stable under heavy rain or snow. Under best conditions, the LHG60 is still at least 10dB worse than a Metrolinq 60-35. In fact, what I would really like is the LHG CPU inside a Metrolinq antenna hardware (with RouterOS).
 
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:37 pm

A 1/2.5/5/10Gb ethernet interface would be great as it would work on most existing cables. (I have 10Gb over 30m of cat5e cable, not even cat6)

But even before such interface, I would like a better antenna with radome so that 1km+ links would be stable under heavy rain or snow. Under best conditions, the LHG60 is still at least 10dB worse than a Metrolinq 60-35. In fact, what I would really like is the LHG CPU inside a Metrolinq antenna hardware (with RouterOS).
A radome makes no difference to 60Ghz with rain. With snow it might. But not with rain. It's the amount of rain drops that consume and reflect the radio energy over bigger distances that make the attenuation too big.
I also have ML antenas and replace them all by LHG60G since they are so much more stable... and for half the price....
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:18 pm

You are wrong as many say so,..

if there is no water on the dish and radiator [feeder] means a much more stable link, because we have a very focused beam.

The same is how you set up a shield for powerbeam, it works much better and more stable than without a shield/radom...
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:49 pm

A radome makes no difference to 60Ghz with rain. With snow it might. But not with rain. It's the amount of rain drops that consume and reflect the radio energy over bigger distances that make the attenuation too big.
I also have ML antenas and replace them all by LHG60G since they are so much more stable... and for half the price....
Many people reported that, with LHG, the signal stays down even when it stops raining until the antenna dry somehow. I noticed the same thing myself. I don't have that problem at all with the Metrolinq that are protected by a radome.

I don't care if the LHG are half the price: they are fine bellow 1Km but above 1Km, they lose signal under heavy rain while the Metrolinq stay at full capacity. That's not really a surprise: at 1.2Km, LHG have a signal around -55dBm while Metrolinq have a signal around -44dBm. That's a much bigger margin. I would prefer to use LHG because their throughput is much higher with small packets but I can't accept to fully lose the links each time there is some heavy rain, even if it's only for a few minutes. So for everything above 1Km, I am sticking with Metrolinq.
 
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Thu Nov 22, 2018 1:41 am

You are wrong as many say so,..

if there is no water on the dish and radiator [feeder] means a much more stable link, because we have a very focused beam.

The same is how you set up a shield for powerbeam, it works much better and more stable than without a shield/radom...
I think the fact that some radio energy might be diffracted due water drop on the dish or feeder is in no relation toward the attenuation due distance and especially if this distance has to be bridge through millions of rain drop where the dish and feeder will only have some... And shielding is not needed for the high frequencies since 60Ghz virtually has no sidelobs you want to suppress.

In 5Ghz even with a shield signal 'leaks' to the sides. Put another 5Ghz radio 10 meters away and aside of the best dish plus shield in the market and you still pickup considerable signal.
Do the same with a 60Ghz radio and you don't even see any signal anymore.
I have 4 wAP60G AP's in a mast all facing in their 90 degree sector only 1 meter apart and they already hardly can see each other. Only long run (minutes) scans see some signals in the range of 20 or less and dissapears.
I can't even connect a client unit at 20 meters away to get it to connect to an AP that he looks from aside.
Any 5Ghz CPE antenna I can connect at even 50 meters away from a RF-Elements cone (these are supposed to be top of the bill antennas with near 100% side lob suppression).

Shielding or covering 60Ghzs in my humble opinion gives very marginal effects. Probably not even measurable. The attenuation is the killer here and no matter how big the dish is, you can only focus that much signal, and you can only catch signals that reaches you.

A slightly bigger dish as the standard 33cm LHG might do something but it needs a special LNB further away from the focal point otherwise the other part of the dish is not doing anything for sending. Only for receiving.
So your picture of the LHG lnb just mount on a bigger dish doesn't do nothing.

If you think otherwise do some real tests with similar conditions etc. and show us.
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:03 am

It is my understanding (from a hardware manufacturer) that the Mikrotik 60 Ghz radios have hardware that can handle channels 1 and 2. Channels 3 and 4 are done by stretching that hardware with software, so to speak. The chip used in the IgniteNet hardware is designed for channels 1-4 and channel 5 (upcoming in firmware) will be stretched in software. That may account for your differences in RSSI between the vendors - if you are using channels 3 or 4.

We have noticed that with links around 700m. We get much better performance with Mikrotik gear using channels 1 or 2. Our link was not usable in channel 4 - which should be the best channel for distances.

We have a number of radios from both vendors installed. The IgniteNets are solid through decent rain storms and I really like the 5GHz fail over - but the throughput is better through a Mikrotik link. I have a hard time beating 700 Mbps real world throughput with IN gear but can push 1 Gbps with MK gear.
 
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Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:23 am

Just a few thoughts ...
  1. antenna size VS. side lobes and gain: what actually matters is antenna dimension in terms of wave length multiples. Speaking about dishes, it's diameter versus wavelength. As I don't have any 60G systems around, I'll assume that 222mm is dish diameter. With wavelength of 5 mm, the antenna dimension is around 44 wavelengths. To have same "apparent" dish size at 5GHz, it'd have to be around 2.6 metres in diameter. As most of them are not that big (Dynadish 5 is 404 mm in diameter which is a bit less than 7 wavelengths), the beam is not as focused ... wider main beam and stronger side lobes.
    Shielding does help to prevent too much of side lobes to escape ... but it doesn't help increasing power transmitted in main direction, hence no change in antenna gain.
    BTW, same effect (length of antenna expressed in wavelengths) occurs also with antennae usually deployed in mobile networks (e.g. LTE), which are vertical dipole groups ... the longer (vertically) antenna (usually consists of more dipoles), the narrower (vertically) beam width.
  2. use of larger dishes: it does't have to be that LNB is further away from the dish for larger dishes. It does have to be in dish's focus where ever that might be. Dish, being parabolic, can have focus at the same point regardless of outer dimensions if the dish is "cut out of same parabola".
  3. water on grille: grille dimensions (grid mesh distance, diameter of conductive core of mesh, ...) should be calculated and produced very carefully as it affects the antenna characteristics. E.g. if grid mesh distance is smaller, the dish will work better with higher-frequency signals (think of Faraday cage). If diameter of conductive core of mesh is bigger, it will work for slightly wider frequency band but will loose some gain and its slope of "out of band" gain drop will be slightly lower (i.e. side band suppression will be slightly worse). If there's water on grille (and keeping in mind water is unfortunately slightly conductive), it will act as if the conductive core mesh was slightly thicker (but not as much as the water layer thickness) ... normally (due to low amount of water) it will not affect the antenna performance much. The other problem with water is that it represents another layer of material with different index of refraction, which, in practice, causes slight wave dispersion ... again loss of focus "sharpness".
  4. radio performance: every transmitter (or rather, power amplifier) has certain bandwidth where amplifier's gain is more or less linear with frequency, and the gain drops outside this optimal bandwidth. It is kind of design parameter but manufacturing process can affect this as well. Performance outside of this optimal bandwidth is still possible, but TX power is lower and linearity (over whole, say, 1GHz channel) is worse. It's worth noting that extremely wide-band power amplifiers are complex to construct and typically much less power-effective ... Also a design parameter is placing filters so that even spurious transmissions will not get transmitted outside legally allowed band (e.g. outside 2400-2483.5 MHz in 2.4GHz ISM in U.S.). Those filters were traditionally implemented in hardware (e.g. some LC conduits) while in modern times developers try to implement them in software (think SDR) making changes in supported transmit frequencies easier (at cost of having lower Tx power in parts that are outside optimal hardware performance) ...
    Similar story goes with receivers (band pass filters in hardware, RX windows in software, PA gain, ...). It is, however, easier to construct a wide-band receiver (partially due to it's low-power nature) than a good wide-band transmitter.
    So it might seem that Mikrotik's implementation of 60GHz transmitter lacks linearity in upper part of 60GHz band, but this might improve with new chip revisions.
    Note that when speaking of wide-band power amplifiers, there are actually two things to consider: a) capability to transmit signal in wide frequency band and b) capability to transmit wide frequency channel. Example of a) is transmission anywhere inside 2.4000-2.4835GHz band (83.5MHz wide) versus transmission inside 4.910-5.875GHz band (965MHz wide). Example of b) is transmission of 10MHz wide channel versus transmission of 160MHz wide channel inside the 5GHz ISM band. This usually comes with limitation of total transmitted energy which is more or less evenly distributed over TX bandwidth ... meaning that signal strength (as measured on, say, single OFDM tone) is 16- times (12 dB) lower when transmitted in 160MHz wide channel than when transmitted in 10MHz wide channel ... both when transmitted at full PA power (let's say it's 1W per spatial stream).
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:00 am

I think the fact that some radio energy might be diffracted due water drop on the dish or feeder is in no relation toward the attenuation due distance and especially if this distance has to be bridge through millions of rain drop where the dish and feeder will only have some... And shielding is not needed for the high frequencies since 60Ghz virtually has no sidelobs you want to suppress.
Anyway, remember that the wavelength is tiny :)

I would try spraying the unit with something that could make it water repellent. PTFE (Teflon®) lubricant might be effective. I would give it a test just in case. ;)
 
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Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:04 am

I think the fact that some radio energy might be diffracted due water drop on the dish or feeder is in no relation toward the attenuation due distance and especially if this distance has to be bridge through millions of rain drop where the dish and feeder will only have some... And shielding is not needed for the high frequencies since 60Ghz virtually has no sidelobs you want to suppress.
Anyway, remember that the wavelength is tiny :)

I would try spraying the unit with something that could make it water repellent. PTFE (Teflon®) lubricant might be effective. I would give it a test just in case. ;)
Such a procedure will not help you in front of the frost and especially against the rime: P
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Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:12 am

Such a procedure will not help you in front of the frost and especially against the rime: P
If it's hydrophobic enough it will really impede the build up of ice because the droplets won't stick. At least it could delay it.

Note that I haven't invented it, it's been studied before of course.

https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a125689.pdf

And maybe a silicone based lubricant would work better. I see that there are specific products designed for this purpose as well. Vellox is
mentioned in the previous study.

https://urgentcomm.com/2006/02/17/vello ... h-coating/

The experiment with silicone or PTFE based lubricant would be really cheap to do anyway. And Vellox doesn't seem to be too expensive either.

As a plus, it will help delay the build up of dirt which can be troublesome. Especially near industrial areas there some of the dirt may be slightly conductive.
 
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Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:42 pm

I would try spraying the unit with something that could make it water repellent. PTFE (Teflon®) lubricant might be effective. I would give it a test just in case. ;)
Yeah but you have to renew the coating every few weeks... I can't say I would be looking forward to it especially as it's most needed when it's cold and damp.
 
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Using our parabola 680 mm Jirous JRMB-680-24 with electronic from LHG 60 is unfortunately not good solution. Our parabola is deep (f/D=0,17) and LHG 60 for standard parabola (approx. f/D=0,35), so the radio is able to use only small part of parabola.
 
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Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:15 pm

To all:

We started work on the 600mm set. We already have ready-made dishes, covers, we only have to make a special handle for electronics with LHG60 made of aluminum.

I will take photos next week ...

Who needs such upgrades and how many pieces? Please write to PM ...
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Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:53 pm

To all:

We started work on the 600mm set. We already have ready-made dishes, covers, we only have to make a special handle for electronics with LHG60 made of aluminum.

I will take photos next week ...

Who needs such upgrades and how many pieces? Please write to PM ...
>>>a special handle for electronics with LHG60 made of aluminum.<<<
Why Aluminum
Plastic is better
 
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Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:01 pm

To all:

We started work on the 600mm set. We already have ready-made dishes, covers, we only have to make a special handle for electronics with LHG60 made of aluminum.

I will take photos next week ...

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which Parabolic dish is using?,
which ratio f/D=?
 
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Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:34 pm

The same as original dish from lhg60 so the same as our alu dish 400mm but with bigger dish 600mm, all the same f/D ratio :)

alu electronic holder because also will be use for system cooling...
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Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:12 pm

To all:

We started work on the 600mm set. We already have ready-made dishes, covers, we only have to make a special handle for electronics with LHG60 made of aluminum.

I will take photos next week ...

Who needs such upgrades and how many pieces? Please write to PM ...
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Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:17 pm

alu electronic holder because also will be use for system cooling...
how will the ALU affect the passing of the signal from FEED to DISH ?

The ALU or metal can create a reflection
 
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Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:21 pm

The same as in original LHG60, also is ALU cooling system :D

Our will be slightly different so there will be less interference :P
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great information
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what are the new experiences ?
with the new 6.44RC40 version
 
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To all:

We started work on the 600mm set. We already have ready-made dishes, covers, we only have to make a special handle for electronics with LHG60 made of aluminum.

I will take photos next week ...

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The weekend passed ;)
where are the pictures?
Where's the antenna?
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Some photo of project that is still modified :)
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Sat Dec 08, 2018 7:03 pm

Some photo of project that is still modified :)
Looks great!

It would be perfect to have a fair real life comparison of your devices like:

xxx meters, rainy day, perfect aligned systems, rssi and phys rate with:

- LHG60G
- LHG60G with alu dish
- LHG60G with alu dish and abs cover
- Custom 60G on WAP basis 40 cm
- Custom 60G on WAP basis 60 cm
 
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Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:57 am

Bravo BRAVO
Congratulations
when the test results will be LHG 60 VS DjVolt ALU-600mm
 
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What is an antenna?
the holder was made on a 3d printer.
how much is this material resistant to sun and rain ?

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What is an antenna?
the holder was made on a 3d printer.
how much is this material resistant to sun and rain ?

please more picture
This is only for the tests, because we have second proposition that we preparing :P

Mainly the material of the LHG60 holder will be made with ABS+UV. The whole electronic and antenna will be in hermetic enclosure because, we have also front covers for this antennas :)

More info and pictures will be soon.

The antenna have outer diameter 600mm, inner diameter is 556mm with 80mm flange..

After made the holders etc we will do the tests for 1500 meters to check signals and compare with our 400 dishes with mounted wAP60G.

We please be patient :P Everything is under control :D
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Some photo of project that is still modified :)
Looks great!

It would be perfect to have a fair real life comparison of your devices like:

xxx meters, rainy day, perfect aligned systems, rssi and phys rate with:

- LHG60G
- LHG60G with alu dish
- LHG60G with alu dish and abs cover
- Custom 60G on WAP basis 40 cm
- Custom 60G on WAP basis 60 cm
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More info and pictures will be soon.
Please DJ Volt more info
 
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lelelelelele :D more info is it :D

From the other side...

https://trzepak.pl/viewtopic.php?f=26&t ... 45#p500245
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lelelelelele :D more info is it :D

From the other side...

https://trzepak.pl/viewtopic.php?f=26&t ... 45#p500245
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Were sent yesterday with Shields and precision holders to our Business Partner :P
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More info and pictures will be soon.


Please DJ Volt more info... more picture

more test ....
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More details at now...
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Please tell me how to run a LAN cable, we have a hole 27mm at back of the dish, feeder have also the hole, maybe do you have back cable mount via feeder to LAN port of the LHG60 electronic?

Maybe other solution? I'm waiting for answers and maybe solutions? :)
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More details at now...
Please tell me how to run a LAN cable, we have a hole 27mm at back of the dish, feeder have also the hole, maybe do you have back cable mount via feeder to LAN port of the LHG60 electronic?

Maybe other solution? I'm waiting for answers and maybe solutions? :)
where the hole does not affect the entry of water?
where the cable does not bother passing the signal?
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The metal screw in the fid can affect the signal!
How is the device protected by condensation of moisture?
 
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More details at now...
Please tell me how to run a LAN cable, we have a hole 27mm at back of the dish, feeder have also the hole, maybe do you have back cable mount via feeder to LAN port of the LHG60 electronic?

Maybe other solution? I'm waiting for answers and maybe solutions? :)
where the hole does not affect the entry of water? what hole? :P
where the cable does not bother passing the signal? - the shadow effect, in addition in our construction the shadow effect was broken by a special cone, but now we looking for solution how to run the cable via feeder :P
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The metal screw in the fid can affect the signal! - not completely, just for example :)
How is the device protected by condensation of moisture? - will be 3mm hole bottom the dish as we can see in other solutions like Mimosa B5 Lite.
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Please tell me how to run a LAN cable, we have a hole 27mm at back of the dish, feeder have also the hole, maybe do you have back cable mount via feeder to LAN port of the LHG60 electronic?
Maybe other solution? I'm waiting for answers and maybe solutions? :)

where the hole does not affect the entry of water? what hole? :P

insert the cable so that the water can not enter the antenna
 
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Some photo of project that is still modified :)

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that it is a precision carrier for LHG 60ghz * 330mm
not good enough for such a big antenna
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Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:20 am

hehe :lol: We have two solutions at this point :) We preparing special adapter between precision or lhg standard mount and dish.

At now we have two feeders for 400 and 600mm dishes :)

All will be rock solid stable :)
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DJ Volt
I'm happy
I'm looking forward to it

when the real test the antenna 600mm ? ( distance 3km, or more )
 
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At first 1700meters tomorrow if weather will be good for tests :)

Devices are ready for tests :P
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At first 1700meters tomorrow if weather will be good for tests :)

Devices are ready for tests :P
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Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:58 pm

DJ Volt
I'm happy
I'm looking forward to it

when the real test the antenna 600mm ? ( distance 3km, or more )
which polarization uses LHG 60
horizontal or vertical?
or both?
 
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Symmetrical, this is phase array so depend on tx-sector [beamforming pattern]... At now is possible to make 0-63 tx-sector to find the highest power output point :)
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Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:26 am

Symmetrical, this is phase array so depend on tx-sector [beamforming pattern]... At now is possible to make 0-63 tx-sector to find the highest power output point :)
please more info
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The data are confidential at now but more info is here: https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Interface/W60G
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Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:33 am

Symmetrical, this is phase array so depend on tx-sector [beamforming pattern]... At now is possible to make 0-63 tx-sector to find the highest power output point :)
can Mikrotik be able to reduce the width of the channel at 500MHZ?
now is 2000MHZ.
 
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Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:48 am

I think yes, but now I dont know what they doing. 500Mhz would be better to send 2,3Gbps in PtP mode, 2000Mhz is for 10G and is available on IgniteNet 10G Omni :D
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Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:22 pm

ROS: 6.43.7
AP: tx=auto
Station: tx=0 - alignment, tx=auto - checking, tx=36 we got perfectly center tx-sector
940Mbps TCP/IP all time
We did not align the antennas on RSSI but on BTest and tx-sector
The full bandwidth of 940Mbps TCP / IP, even at -65 RSSI, keeps the connection even on MCS1.
Strangely enough, 66000 showed Signal 100 and MCS 8

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Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:25 am

ROS: 6.43.7
AP: tx=auto
Station: tx=0 - alignment, tx=auto - checking, tx=36 we got perfectly center tx-sector
940Mbps TCP/IP all time
We did not align the antennas on RSSI but on BTest and tx-sector
The full bandwidth of 940Mbps TCP / IP, even at -65 RSSI, keeps the connection even on MCS1.
Strangely enough, 66000 showed Signal 100 and MCS 8


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Sat Dec 22, 2018 11:37 am

ROS: 6.43.7
AP: tx=auto
Station: tx=0 - alignment, tx=auto - checking, tx=36 we got perfectly center tx-sector
940Mbps TCP/IP all time
We did not align the antennas on RSSI but on BTest and tx-sector
The full bandwidth of 940Mbps TCP / IP, even at -65 RSSI, keeps the connection even on MCS1.
Strangely enough, 66000 showed Signal 100 and MCS 8


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Sat Dec 22, 2018 12:46 pm

No possibility to test >2000m at know, but we check is possible to find this distance :D

We can also send with discount to them who test for us and share details after tests :)

At now this is full outdoor products with RJ45 on the back of the dish :) The kit also fit for lhg5, lhg2, disc and ldf with special quick mount :)

600mm dish for 2,4GHz WoW.

Why test on beta firmware??? On this dishes we can reach >3500m on 64800, because MT can reach 2400m on standard LHG, how? I dont know, maybe new feature in ROS will be.

The link was be rock stable, also signals, mcs and rssi during the iperf test, this is first test that show us the powerfull of our dishes with electronic from LHG run perfectly on that distance :)
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We can also send with discount to them who test for us and share details after tests :)

Please send two antennas for test, to our vendor B**24

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Sat Dec 22, 2018 2:17 pm

Why test on beta firmware???
Yes, it works better + 66000

On this dishes we can reach >3500m on 64800, ( on 66000 ) ;)
please i want a real test

because MT can reach 2400m on standard LHG, how? Original LHG 60 330mm DISH - small
I need a larger antenna for better stability (Rain and Snow)


I dont know, maybe new feature in ROS will be.
Yes, I hope
 
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Which distances do you have to reach at 64800 and 66000

3500m
 
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original LHG 60 real 4000+ ? how ?
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Hello.
We have a strange problem. We made a PtMP on wAP 60G (v6.44beta40) with 5 clients (4 LHG and 1 wAP same ROS version). Everything is working fine, but when anyone will shutdown MT (or reboot it) then we get disconnect on all stations and they don't want to connect again. We have to manually disable and enable w60g(on ap) interface to get connection again. Someone have same problem? What can we do to fix this issue?
 
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Mon Dec 31, 2018 4:52 pm

Please check Isolate clients to bridge option in w60g settings :)
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Wed Jan 02, 2019 3:01 pm

Please check Isolate clients to bridge option in w60g settings :)
We have tried with and without Isolate clients option, in "Put Station
In Bridge" we don't choose anything. Now we are testing with this
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:37 pm

HI,
I've got a few WAP 60Ghz radios. I was testing out all the configurations (distance and orientation) for throughput performance. I noticed that I can get the tx-beam information (tx sector information) and they change when I turn the transmission radio. However, I don't see any RX beam (RX sector) information. I was wondering if you do beamforming on the receiver side too, or do you just use the quasi-omni directional beams?
 
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Fri Jan 25, 2019 9:55 pm

Morning everyone -
I haven't posted in a while as most things Mikrotik have worked well within their inherent limitations - nonetheless is is great equipment for the price point and I don't think you can find anything more flexible to configure.

With all that being said...I've been testing the 60g radios, both wAP and the dish versions. They worked great overall in my test area. Yesterday however I took a pair to a live site to test. I was never able to test in the real world as I could not get the wAP 60G's Ethernet port to sync on any switch not matter what I set the switch speed or duplex to. The port just kept trying to sync.... I thought there was something wrong with my Cat6 cable...I put two cable testers on it, they indicated said 1gbps full-duplex was fine.... I then connected up two different laptops, both with 100mbps Ethernet ports, the wAP60g synced right up, 100mbps full-duplex. Tried the 100/1000mbps switches - no go.

Right now I have that wAP 60G back here in my shop.... I'm getting ready to go grab a 1000mbps dumb switch and see what happens....

Anyone else see this issue in the tests/live environments?

Thanks!

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Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:27 pm

I have over 20 links, works fine, if you have port flapping this is in 99% bad cable / bad POE injector
 
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Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:14 pm

I have three different cables leading to the area where this was happening. Tried all three - no go.

Had three brand new gigabit PoEs w/me, two Mikrotik and one Ubi**** - also no go's.

I am not new to the port flapping issue - been at this with MT for 15 years now. All my outdoor cables are shielded and grounded. All power receptacles have good grounds as do the switches.

If the cable was so bad than why do the laptops sync up just fine but no matter what the switch setting was it would not connect to the switches? (These smart switches can be set for 10/100/1000mbps half/full-duplex and of course auto-negotiate...none of which the wAP60g synced to on either smart switch - I also used a Netgear dumb 10/100/1000mbps switch also to no avail)

Cable tester said all 8 lines were correct and would support 1000mbps.

I have this unit current connected to a PowerBox Pro (Mikrotik) and it syncs perfectly at 1000mbps....

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Sat Jan 26, 2019 3:02 pm

Morning everyone -
I haven't posted in a while as most things Mikrotik have worked well within their inherent limitations - nonetheless is is great equipment for the price point and I don't think you can find anything more flexible to configure.

With all that being said...I've been testing the 60g radios, both wAP and the dish versions. They worked great overall in my test area. Yesterday however I took a pair to a live site to test. I was never able to test in the real world as I could not get the wAP 60G's Ethernet port to sync on any switch not matter what I set the switch speed or duplex to. The port just kept trying to sync.... I thought there was something wrong with my Cat6 cable...I put two cable testers on it, they indicated said 1gbps full-duplex was fine.... I then connected up two different laptops, both with 100mbps Ethernet ports, the wAP60g synced right up, 100mbps full-duplex. Tried the 100/1000mbps switches - no go.

Right now I have that wAP 60G back here in my shop.... I'm getting ready to go grab a 1000mbps dumb switch and see what happens....

Anyone else see this issue in the tests/live environments?

Thanks!

Thom
Hi Tom! Nice to hear/read from you again! It's been a long time ago! :D :D

I have 4 wAP 60G AP devices running v6.44beta28 connected to a Netonix PoE switch and they all have a 1Gb Ethernet connection for 2 months now without a single 'link down'.

The only problem I have is still a relative high amount of wirless link cuts with the wAP 60G's that are connected as station (bridge mode).
But then again, I have 4 x wAP 60G plus 3 x Ignitenet 60G going from one and the same tower. Although 60Ghz has a high fade and thus colocation is not a big issue I am afraid that I still have a bit of inteference making my link drop at time.

But I didn't touch them for some weeks now, maybe time to try newer ROS versions to see if things had improved.

We also have two LHGG-60ad making an important 320 meters backhaul that is rock solid. Even with heavy rain it doesn't come down and 1Gb+ aggregated is not a single issue.
I am replacing all my Ignitenet 60Ghz stuff (had 4 links of them) by these Mikrotik units.
Mikrotik is not only 1/4 of the costa (after price drop of ML still 1/2) but are so much more reliable.

In the 2 years we've had Metrolinq they replaced all my units under RMA once, they send me their latest models a year ago but still we see occasional link drops that need power cycles to get them back on line. For their price and "carrier grade" stuff I really think they are not doing very well.
Mikrotik's 60Ghz works soo much more reliable for a fraction of the cost. Ok, ML has 5Ghz backup they say.... well, only in limited fixed channels available with only simple csma protocol and the failover is still not very good. Much better to have a Mikrotik 60Ghz backhaul and the original 5Ghz backhaul as backup. Our backup kicks in within a second after a 60Ghz link drop. Only the recovery takes a bit longer.....

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Sat Jan 26, 2019 5:01 pm

Thanks for the inputs Rudy!

I know that my issue seems to be a 'one off' experience but I thought since I can't seem to isolate the issue that's at work here that bringing it to the community and see what I may have missed here. I have my guys installing another new line. We'll install and test that on Tuesday and see what we see. I was also 'informed' that 1000mbps uses all 8 lines not just 4 lines as 100mbps does. To those that would remind me again - I am fully aware and if you read my post I've tested these lines with a line tester and the tester tells me the lines are good to 1000mbps.

I'll drop you a line sometime today Rudy.

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Re: wAP 60G experience

Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:44 am

Hi
What version can I use frequency 66000
i try
6.42.11
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can not use frequency 66000
/interface w60g
set 0 frequency=66000

Any way to change the channel width
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6.42.11 - stable
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6.42.11 - stable
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/interface w60g set wlan60-1 frequency-list=58320,60480,62640,64800,66000
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/interface w60g set wlan60-1 frequency=66000
thank you for replay

when test it
it put frequency=auto
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Re: wAP 60G experience

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Hello.
We have a strange problem. We made a PtMP on wAP 60G (v6.44beta40) with 5 clients (4 LHG and 1 wAP same ROS version). Everything is working fine, but when anyone will shutdown MT (or reboot it) then we get disconnect on all stations and they don't want to connect again. We have to manually disable and enable w60g(on ap) interface to get connection again. Someone have same problem? What can we do to fix this issue?

I am seeing pretty much the same thing right now with v6.44beta61. Using wAP 60G and two wAP 60G clients and seeing this kind of weirdness. As this is my first time experimenting with PtMP I have not seen this before. Isolate stations is enabled right now on the access point.

As HonorQ says - when clients disconnect they crash the access point radio which then needs to be disabled and re-enabled.
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

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Hello.
We have a strange problem. We made a PtMP on wAP 60G (v6.44beta40) with 5 clients (4 LHG and 1 wAP same ROS version). Everything is working fine, but when anyone will shutdown MT (or reboot it) then we get disconnect on all stations and they don't want to connect again. We have to manually disable and enable w60g(on ap) interface to get connection again. Someone have same problem? What can we do to fix this issue?

I am seeing pretty much the same thing right now with v6.44beta61. Using wAP 60G and two wAP 60G clients and seeing this kind of weirdness. As this is my first time experimenting with PtMP I have not seen this before. Isolate stations is enabled right now on the access point.

As HonorQ says - when clients disconnect they crash the access point radio which then needs to be disabled and re-enabled.
Stable version with fix for this issue should be available later today.

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Already released - please upgrade.
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:54 pm

Hi all

In ROS 6.44beta75 int w60 montior 0 shows a new parameter tx-mode: dmg what's mean?

connected: yes
frequency: 58320
remote-address:
tx-mode: dmg
tx-mcs: 8
tx-phy-rate: 2.3Gbps
signal: 80
rssi: -59
tx-sector: 34
tx-sector-info: right 11.4 degrees, up 3.8 degrees
distance: 137.08m
tx-packet-error-rate: 5%
 
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googling I have found https://devopedia.org/ieee-802-11ad
You have found nothing moren then; "This standard* is also called Directional Multi-Gigabit (DMG)" *(802.11ad)

So why is this set in the "tx-mode; dmg"??? Makes little sense.

In 802.11a/b/g/n/c same would read; "tx-mode; Wifi"........ :o

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Why to print this info now? Maybe in the future we 'll have another tx-mode
 
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We also have two LHGG-60ad making an important 320 meters backhaul that is rock solid. Even with heavy rain it doesn't come down and 1Gb+ aggregated is not a single issue.
I am replacing all my Ignitenet 60Ghz stuff (had 4 links of them) by these Mikrotik units.
Mikrotik is not only 1/4 of the costa (after price drop of ML still 1/2) but are so much more reliable.
Hi, good to hear it is steady. Still I'm wondering how the link/throughput is degraded with heavy (or light) rain and/or snow. What is your experience with this? Thanks.
 
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We also have two LHGG-60ad making an important 320 meters backhaul that is rock solid. Even with heavy rain it doesn't come down and 1Gb+ aggregated is not a single issue.
I am replacing all my Ignitenet 60Ghz stuff (had 4 links of them) by these Mikrotik units.
Mikrotik is not only 1/4 of the costa (after price drop of ML still 1/2) but are so much more reliable.
Hi, good to hear it is steady. Still I'm wondering how the link/throughput is degraded with heavy (or light) rain and/or snow. What is your experience with this? Thanks.
Yes. These ignitenet stuff is amazing but you cant rely on it. To much trouble for backhaul.
 
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Hi,

Can someone describe wich values is important for a stable 60G link? Is RSSI is more important than quality..?Which values need to be good for a stable link? We aligning the link with generated traffic and MCS and Quality keeps going up and down..RSSI stays.
 
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Why to print this info now? Maybe in the future we 'll have another tx-mode
https://blog.mikrotik.com/announcements ... graph.html
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Re: wAP 60G experience

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good morning

Haber if someone can help me .. I have a Wap60 like Ap, where we only have connected
2 CPE Lite60. The fact is that every time I enter the Wap, I notice that at least once a
day is disconnected, and sometimes more. And I do not know why. Both lite 60, are less than 100 meters

Any suggestions to solve the problem?

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We need more info:

- ros version
- wireless data /int w60 monitor [find] on ap and /int w60 monitor 0 on clients
- angle between the 2 clients
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Fri May 17, 2019 5:24 pm

Anyone using the wAP 60Gx3 AP? Can I buy 3 wAP 60G's and attach them to the 60Gx3 without license upgrade?

Has anything changed on the normal wAP 60G's that allow PtMP without license upgrade?
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Wed May 22, 2019 7:17 am

RBLHGG-60adkit
fell from a height of 10 meters to the ground and never broke but
When connected to electricity
only power led it works (PWR led on)
but all another led not work (ETH ,USR , Wireless ,align left right ............)
i try to connect it to my computer
The computer has never seen the network cable
What is the problem and what is the solution ?????
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Wed May 22, 2019 12:26 pm

RBLHGG-60adkit
fell from a height of 10 meters to the ground and never broke but
When connected to electricity
only power led it works (PWR led on)
but all another led not work (ETH ,USR , Wireless ,align left right ............)
i try to connect it to my computer
The computer has never seen the network cable
What is the problem and what is the solution ?????
You must be kidding us.... the problem is it fell from 10 meters to the ground and internally it is broken...... :shock:
Solution: Buy another one?
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Thu Sep 19, 2019 2:13 am

Hello friends greetings from Mexico I send you the images of my first link in 60ghz I am very happy since the modulation is the maximum, to which it would be great if the team had a 10 gb fiber port, in addition to reaching modulations in msc13 for greater speed
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:59 pm

How are these smaller WAP60G's at doing around 250M?
Parents are moving very nearby and was going to throw a pair of NSM5Loco's up but then thought they might make a good target for an offsite backup location so Gigabit is tempting.
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Tue Sep 24, 2019 4:29 pm

Hello everyone!!!

We have new product for LHG60: http://24.multimediahd.pl/en/60ghz/106- ... -60ad.html

We preparing new model of holder for wAP60G to make PtP :)
http://24.multimediahd.pl/pl/3-60ghz
Upgrades for Mikrotik's devices
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Tue Oct 01, 2019 6:38 pm

Since half of july no improovements for w60g in FW, are you bussy with mesh mode for terragraph?
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Tue Oct 01, 2019 8:15 pm

Just an idea - would it work to put a wAP60G in focus of a satellite dish? aka LDF 60 :)
Need longer range in PtMP - with LHG60 station to wAP60G (x3) AP it is theoretically 800m but for reasonable availability in our weather really more like 500m.
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Fri Oct 04, 2019 10:41 pm

good morning

Haber if someone can help me .. I have a Wap60 like Ap, where we only have connected
2 CPE Lite60. The fact is that every time I enter the Wap, I notice that at least once a
day is disconnected, and sometimes more. And I do not know why. Both lite 60, are less than 100 meters

Any suggestions to solve the problem?

Thank you so much
A greeting
We have been having a similar problem with our w60gx3 AP. We only have 3 Lite60 LHG CPEs connected, but we are getting quite a few drops. There is no rain affecting these drops and the dishes are all less than 163m away. All on 6.44.5 and well within the 180 degree limit. I'd say they are within 90 degrees. Here is the info from monitoring:

AP
connected: yes
frequency: 58320
remote-address: 24:18:1D:99:64:0A,24:18:1D:64:EF:2F,24:18:1D:99:68:7D
tx-mode: dmg,dmg,dmg
tx-mcs: 4,4,8
tx-phy-rate: 1155.0Mbps,1155.0Mbps,2.3Gbps
signal: 40,40,80
rssi: -62,-63,-61
tx-sector: 36,28,25
tx-sector-info: ,,
distance: 105.79m,131.27m,162.8m
tx-packet-error-rate: 13%

1310
connected: yes
frequency: 58320
remote-address: B8:69:F4:D5:40:E7
tx-mode: dmg
tx-mcs: 1
tx-phy-rate: 385.0Mbps
signal: 60
rssi: -55
tx-sector: 0
tx-sector-info: left 1.4 degrees, down 1.4 degrees
distance: 131.22m
tx-packet-error-rate: 0%

1304 (drops the most)
connected: yes
frequency: 58320
remote-address: B8:69:F4:D5:40:E7
tx-mode: dmg
tx-mcs: 1
tx-phy-rate: 385.0Mbps
signal: 20
rssi: -52
tx-sector: 36
tx-sector-info: center
distance: 105.78m
tx-packet-error-rate: 1%

Sub 3
connected: yes
frequency: 58320
remote-address: B8:69:F4:D5:40:E7
tx-mode: dmg
tx-mcs: 1
tx-phy-rate: 385.0Mbps
signal: 20
rssi: -54
tx-sector: 19
tx-sector-info: left 0.2 degrees, down 0.6 degrees
distance: 162.81m
tx-packet-error-rate: 13%
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Sun Oct 06, 2019 2:26 am

I’ve always had problems with these radios when they're too close. LHGs at that distance is probably overkill; try using wAPs or SXTs.
I really wish MikroTik would bring back tx-power control to address this issue.
good morning

Haber if someone can help me .. I have a Wap60 like Ap, where we only have connected
2 CPE Lite60. The fact is that every time I enter the Wap, I notice that at least once a
day is disconnected, and sometimes more. And I do not know why. Both lite 60, are less than 100 meters

Any suggestions to solve the problem?

Thank you so much
A greeting
We have been having a similar problem with our w60gx3 AP. We only have 3 Lite60 LHG CPEs connected, but we are getting quite a few drops. There is no rain affecting these drops and the dishes are all less than 163m away. All on 6.44.5 and well within the 180 degree limit. I'd say they are within 90 degrees. Here is the info from monitoring:

AP
connected: yes
frequency: 58320
remote-address: 24:18:1D:99:64:0A,24:18:1D:64:EF:2F,24:18:1D:99:68:7D
tx-mode: dmg,dmg,dmg
tx-mcs: 4,4,8
tx-phy-rate: 1155.0Mbps,1155.0Mbps,2.3Gbps
signal: 40,40,80
rssi: -62,-63,-61
tx-sector: 36,28,25
tx-sector-info: ,,
distance: 105.79m,131.27m,162.8m
tx-packet-error-rate: 13%

1310
connected: yes
frequency: 58320
remote-address: B8:69:F4:D5:40:E7
tx-mode: dmg
tx-mcs: 1
tx-phy-rate: 385.0Mbps
signal: 60
rssi: -55
tx-sector: 0
tx-sector-info: left 1.4 degrees, down 1.4 degrees
distance: 131.22m
tx-packet-error-rate: 0%

1304 (drops the most)
connected: yes
frequency: 58320
remote-address: B8:69:F4:D5:40:E7
tx-mode: dmg
tx-mcs: 1
tx-phy-rate: 385.0Mbps
signal: 20
rssi: -52
tx-sector: 36
tx-sector-info: center
distance: 105.78m
tx-packet-error-rate: 1%

Sub 3
connected: yes
frequency: 58320
remote-address: B8:69:F4:D5:40:E7
tx-mode: dmg
tx-mcs: 1
tx-phy-rate: 385.0Mbps
signal: 20
rssi: -54
tx-sector: 19
tx-sector-info: left 0.2 degrees, down 0.6 degrees
distance: 162.81m
tx-packet-error-rate: 13%
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Sun Oct 06, 2019 10:53 am

Several months without 60ghz wireless improvments maybe they thinks that works well and they don't read the forum :-)
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Mon Oct 07, 2019 5:32 am

When will they put a SFP+ interface on wAP 60G ? and add MS13 capability.
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Mon Oct 07, 2019 5:00 pm

I’ve always had problems with these radios when they're too close. LHGs at that distance is probably overkill; try using wAPs or SXTs.
I really wish MikroTik would bring back tx-power control to address this issue.
We had SXTs on them before and the problems were even worse. I wish it had been that simple. I have other situations that I would like to deploy these in, but I can't have this kind of trouble with them. We've even switched out the AP with another one and the issues are a little better, but still exist to the extent that subscribers notice.
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:55 am

Today I have switched a wAP60G with wAP60G X3 and I have seen that the receive signal (RSSI)l on AP Side is 5/6 db worst with the newer AP and the link is now less stable than before. Why?

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