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Re: wAP 60G experience

Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:06 pm
by antonsb
RC releases will show more information on aligment by using sector calibration inforation
There are T/Rx-sector items in
interface w60g monitor 0 once
command output.Anybody know what this last two lines exactly means?

connected: yes
       frequency: 60480
  remote-address: 30:07:4D:81:D0:B6
             mcs: 8
          signal: 80
       tx-sector: 54
       rx-sector: 96

Re: wAP 60G experience

Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:44 am
by npero
wAP 60G by the google maps 238m distance. In good weather condition
mcs: 4
          signal: 40
            rssi: -70
       tx-sector: 28
  tx-sector-info: left 3.8 degrees, down 3.8 degrees
       rx-sector: 96
In btest UDP have 600-800Mbps also have half hour with rain speed drop to 100Mbps in test.
For now wating rain again to see results.

Re: wAP 60G experience

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:39 pm
by juliokato

Re: wAP 60G experience

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:47 pm
by djvolt1942
wAP 60G by the google maps 238m distance. In good weather condition
mcs: 4
          signal: 40
            rssi: -70
       tx-sector: 28
  tx-sector-info: left 3.8 degrees, down 3.8 degrees
       rx-sector: 96
In btest UDP have 600-800Mbps also have half hour with rain speed drop to 100Mbps in test.
For now wating rain again to see results.
On what ROS? Newest r59 or 6.41.4?

There are same wAP60G link without any our shields etc?

Re: wAP 60G experience

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:36 pm
by brasileottanta
Hello ,

our first test on real link. Distance about 240m , perfect LOS without particular aim.

We using traffic generator for check bandwidth and latency. Test using tcp packet of 1500.

Very nice :-)

brasileottanta.

ps . please make a note on rc59 changelog for Ap Bridge BROKEN !! :-9

Re: wAP 60G experience

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:35 pm
by npero

On what ROS? Newest r59 or 6.41.4?

There are same wAP60G link without any our shields etc?
rb56 for now, planing upgrade to final version in Friday. Just wAP60G unit from Wire kit package without anything.
Also today is raining have some link drops but they has been just for 1s that say in log.

Re: wAP 60G experience

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:54 pm
by antonsb
Ap-bridge mode should be fixed in latest current and RC releases.

Re: wAP 60G experience

Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:05 pm
by Insider
Sorry for delay I had long period of heavy metal :) Too busy to make things which make sense..

So.. Our tests.. With the regular body of wAP we are getting stable link for 150m, anything more make pain during rain (yes rains came finally)

The good story is we are making with wAP now links for more then 500m, with regular AP and modified clients..
Here we go 240 m with modified client, last prototype:
connected: yes
frequency: 58320
remote-address: 30:07:4D:84:A0:52
mcs: 8
signal: 95
rssi: -56
tx-sector: 27
tx-sector-info: right 3.8 degrees, down 3.8 degrees
rx-sector: 96

If we will make both clients same way it will have on same link rssi:-48, we will see if MT will go for this solution..

Re: wAP 60G experience

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:15 pm
by jarod
Hello,

Question;

With RouterOS 6.42 i saw w60g > status: MCS: 9/10/11.
Now with RouterOS 6.42.1 i only see MCS: 8 or lower. Is this a bug of feature?

jarod

Re: wAP 60G experience

Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:43 pm
by Insider
Multiple instalallation with in close range on pole brings unstability, we are now installing shields to try if performance will be better (1 site, 3APs, 20 cm far each from other, different frequencies, 3 clients on each)

Re: wAP 60G experience

Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 5:37 pm
by sup5
Hello,

Question;

With RouterOS 6.42 i saw w60g > status: MCS: 9/10/11.
Now with RouterOS 6.42.1 i only see MCS: 8 or lower. Is this a bug of feature?

jarod
Seems to be a feature.
http://rfmw.em.keysight.com/wireless/he ... ncepts.htm
MCS8 is more than enough to carry 2Gbps.
More is not necessary, because 1000Base-T is the limiting factor here.

Re: wAP 60G experience

Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 3:50 pm
by luksik
Hi,
I've recently tested p2p on wAP 60G with tagged transmission to switch and vlans. Unicast is working without ant problems but i've noticed that multicast (iptv) streams has problem with continuity.
I'm generating (using iperf) tcp traffic between two machines that are using 60g connection and problems appears but only if traffic is from same side that multicast stream is coming.
When i'm generating (about 1Gbps) in backard direction there is no continuity errors.
Any ideas ? (link has about 10m - set on table).

Lukasz

Re: wAP 60G experience

Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 9:57 am
by Bergante
Hi,
I've recently tested p2p on wAP 60G with tagged transmission to switch and vlans. Unicast is working without ant problems but i've noticed that multicast (iptv) streams has problem with continuity.
I'm generating (using iperf) tcp traffic between two machines that are using 60g connection and problems appears but only if traffic is from same side that multicast stream is coming.
When i'm generating (about 1Gbps) in backard direction there is no continuity errors.
Any ideas ? (link has about 10m - set on table).
I wonder... Do these units lower the MCS when transmitting multicast or broadcast traffic, like other wireless protocols? For wireless point to point links that shouldn't happen in my opinion.

If the link is very short and you are running a recent version check the signal levels, you might be suffering signal overload. I had to lower power for a 20 - 30 m link because it got a bit unstable.

Re: wAP 60G experience

Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 12:44 pm
by luksik
Hi,
I've recently tested p2p on wAP 60G with tagged transmission to switch and vlans. Unicast is working without ant problems but i've noticed that multicast (iptv) streams has problem with continuity.
I'm generating (using iperf) tcp traffic between two machines that are using 60g connection and problems appears but only if traffic is from same side that multicast stream is coming.
When i'm generating (about 1Gbps) in backard direction there is no continuity errors.
Any ideas ? (link has about 10m - set on table).
I wonder... Do these units lower the MCS when transmitting multicast or broadcast traffic, like other wireless protocols? For wireless point to point links that shouldn't happen in my opinion.

If the link is very short and you are running a recent version check the signal levels, you might be suffering signal overload. I had to lower power for a 20 - 30 m link because it got a bit unstable.
I've tested this setup on short link (table) and outside (link about 90m). Same problem in both cases,

Lukasz

Re: wAP 60G experience

Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 4:17 pm
by hrcho
Can I expect full throughput at 70 m distance through one tree using the Wireless Wire Dish (RBLHGG-60ad kit)?

Re: wAP 60G experience

Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 4:25 pm
by ste
You cant expect anything with a tree.

Re: wAP 60G experience

Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 12:18 am
by Lakis
Anyone tested wAP 60G (with no modification) on 210m can I get >150mbit, should I expect disconnect on light rain?
Thanks.

Re: wAP 60G experience

Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 10:14 am
by Bergante
One suggestion: It would be great to be able to graph information such as RSSI, signal, MCS, tx-sector and rx-sector (or better yet, tx-sector-info) and Phy rate these interfaces.

Given that some of it is not available over SNMP and that even for people with SNMP management software it can be tricky to add custom OIDs I think it would be really helpful!

Re: wAP 60G experience

Posted: Thu May 17, 2018 12:20 am
by Lakis
Anyone tested wAP 60G (with no modification) on 210m can I get >150mbit, should I expect disconnect on light rain?
Thanks.
Link is up and running distance 210m, throughput is 350mbit (btest is made from wAP to wAP), 24h no disconnects for now looks promising, just waiting for the rain.
Only one minor problem, I can't understand why signal is fluctuating so much from 30-60, every second signal is changing 30-35-40-50-55-60 than again 60-50-45-35-30 all the time
Why is that ?

Oh yes I m using 6.42.1 OS.
Thanks

Re: wAP 60G experience

Posted: Thu May 17, 2018 12:31 am
by djvolt1942

Re: wAP 60G experience

Posted: Thu May 17, 2018 9:12 am
by Bergante
Link is up and running distance 210m, throughput is 350mbit (btest is made from wAP to wAP), 24h no disconnects for now looks promising, just waiting for the rain.
Only one minor problem, I can't understand why signal is fluctuating so much from 30-60, every second signal is changing 30-35-40-50-55-60 than again 60-50-45-35-30 all the time
Why is that ?
Multipath? What does the environment look like?

With the latest releases you can try to fix the "tx-sector" parameter.

Re: wAP 60G experience

Posted: Thu May 17, 2018 1:00 pm
by Lakis
djvolt1942 shields for what?
Bergante Multipath? - don't get it!, What does the environment look like? ?!like moisture, LOS... ??

Re: wAP 60G experience

Posted: Thu May 17, 2018 1:06 pm
by marcin21
60ghz-6.41rc52vs6.42.1.jpg
not sure, should I tweak something after upgrade ?

Re: wAP 60G experience

Posted: Thu May 17, 2018 1:22 pm
by antonsb
How far is the link? Please provide CLI output from both ends:
/interface w60g monitor wlan60-1

Re: wAP 60G experience

Posted: Thu May 17, 2018 1:29 pm
by marcin21
/interface w60g monitor wlan60-1
connected: yes
frequency: 60480
remote-address: 30:07:4D:
mcs: 8
signal: 50
tx-sector: 63
rx-sector: 96

interface w60g monitor wlan60-1
connected: yes
frequency: 60480
remote-address: 30:07:4D:
mcs: 8
signal: 50
tx-sector: 24
rx-sector: 96

Link length is around 130m.
but I downgraded them to rc52 to have more stable link now.

Re: wAP 60G experience

Posted: Thu May 17, 2018 2:11 pm
by antonsb
Try to switch used frequency to 58320 and upgrade to 6.42.1

Re: wAP 60G experience

Posted: Thu May 17, 2018 2:17 pm
by djvolt1942
We use 58GHz for far link like 600, 800 meters :P

Lakis - shields for far links up to 300meters or better stability in snowy/rainy day, also for reduce SNR from wap to wap or MultiPoint...

Re: wAP 60G experience

Posted: Thu May 17, 2018 5:44 pm
by Bergante
Bergante Multipath? - don't get it!, What does the environment look like? ?!like moisture, LOS... ??
It's a long shot, but depending on how you have installed the units you might be getting multiple reflections? One of my
units is installed on a window (outside of course) and it's in a corner with three walls around. That's a scenario
that can be troublesome in some cases.

In theory that might sometimes confuse the beam selection algorithm, and, if that was the case (sorry, it's really
hypothetical but I haven't seen your installation) selecting a fixed beam configuration might help.

Anyway the experiment is easy. If it's just a point to point link look at the tx-sector values when the
link is performing best and configure them statically. if that solves the problem then you had something
disturbing the beam selection algorithm.

Re: wAP 60G experience

Posted: Thu May 17, 2018 5:45 pm
by marcin21
Try to switch used frequency to 58320 and upgrade to 6.42.1
why should I change freq? It seems to work quite good with rc52. there is no noise or other 60ghz link visible under scan. besides if it works worse with newer routerOS
I doubt Your advice is to solve problem looks rather as a workaround.
Sad.

Re: wAP 60G experience

Posted: Thu May 17, 2018 6:25 pm
by Bergante
Try to switch used frequency to 58320 and upgrade to 6.42.1
why should I change freq? It seems to work quite good with rc52. there is no noise or other 60ghz link visible under scan. besides if it works worse with newer routerOS
I doubt Your advice is to solve problem looks rather as a workaround.
Are the tx-sector and rx-sector numbers changing often? If they are, fixing tx-sector could be beneficial.

My link (very short, around 30 metres crossing a street) actually worsened a lot when Mikrotik improved the antenna patterns. But the only reason was signal overload. Reducing power solved it.

Monitor tx-sector regularly and let's see.

Re: wAP 60G experience

Posted: Thu May 17, 2018 6:50 pm
by antonsb
Try to switch used frequency to 58320 and upgrade to 6.42.1
why should I change freq? It seems to work quite good with rc52. there is no noise or other 60ghz link visible under scan. besides if it works worse with newer routerOS
I doubt Your advice is to solve problem looks rather as a workaround.
Sad.
Different frequencies has different attenuation over air. Channel 2 isn't picked up automatically on free spectrum if "frequency=auto"

Re: wAP 60G experience

Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 8:46 pm
by MonkeyDan
I had the same problem with a ~30m link. New firmware was just too hot. Lowering tx-power to 10 on both sides helped tremendously
Try to switch used frequency to 58320 and upgrade to 6.42.1
why should I change freq? It seems to work quite good with rc52. there is no noise or other 60ghz link visible under scan. besides if it works worse with newer routerOS
I doubt Your advice is to solve problem looks rather as a workaround.
Are the tx-sector and rx-sector numbers changing often? If they are, fixing tx-sector could be beneficial.

My link (very short, around 30 metres crossing a street) actually worsened a lot when Mikrotik improved the antenna patterns. But the only reason was signal overload. Reducing power solved it.

Monitor tx-sector regularly and let's see.

Re: wAP 60G experience

Posted: Thu May 24, 2018 11:29 pm
by MonkeyDan
And 6.43rc17 has vastly improved one of our longer links (~170m)
Waiting for a final release to upgrade to the rest.

Re: wAP 60G experience

Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 1:10 am
by marcin21
And 6.43rc17 has vastly improved one of our longer links (~170m)
Waiting for a final release to upgrade to the rest.
what FW was before upgrade to 43rc17 ?

Re: wAP 60G experience

Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 1:20 am
by almdandi
@MonkeyDan
What software are you using for the grath visualization?

Re: wAP 60G experience

Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 1:27 am
by marcin21
after upgrade from
6.42rc52 to 43rc17
i've got ERROR WRONG PASSWORD after trying to login into ( using winbox 3.11)
?!?!
is it some kind of very late aprilfool joke?
PLEASE mikrotik support help me solve my problem

Re: wAP 60G experience

Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 9:13 am
by npero
Look viewtopic.php?f=21&t=133420&start=100#p663507 at the end of post say need to use new Winbox 3.14 in rc17.

Re: wAP 60G experience

Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 11:34 am
by antonsb
new version will have distance measurement tool, it would be cool if we could get some feedback to support@mikrotik.com

Re: wAP 60G experience

Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 2:09 pm
by marcin21
@npero thanks, with this beta winbox and webbox password works ok.

@antonsb where Can I find dist. measurment tool ?

Re: wAP 60G experience

Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 2:55 pm
by Bergante
@antonsb where Can I find dist. measurment tool ?
On the AP/master: /interface w60g station monitor 0
[admin@w60-master] /interface w60g station> monitor 0
       connected: yes
          remote: 30:07:4D::
             mcs: 8
        phy-rate: 2.3Gbps
          signal: 80
            rssi: -54
       tx-sector: 21
  tx-sector-info: left 11.4 degrees, down 11.4 degrees
       rx-sector: 96
        distance: 18.34m
And on the slave,
[admin@w60-slave] /interface w60g> monitor 0
       connected: yes
       frequency: 58320
  remote-address: 30:07:4D::
             mcs: 8
        phy-rate: 2.3Gbps
          signal: 80
            rssi: -53
       tx-sector: 20
  tx-sector-info: left 3.8 degrees, down 11.4 degrees
       rx-sector: 96
        distance: 18.33m
-- [Q quit|D dump|C-z pause]
Before someone gets nervous with the signal levels at a distance of 20 metres: I lowered tx-power to 10 for both units.

Re: wAP 60G experience

Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 4:34 pm
by marcin21
strange on 6.43rc17 i get this :/
int w60g station monitor 0                
  connected: yes
     remote: 30:07:4D:
        mcs: 8
   phy-rate: 2.3Gbps
     signal: 80
       rssi: -70
  tx-sector: 63
  rx-sector: 96

Re: wAP 60G experience

Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 5:41 pm
by MonkeyDan
@MonkeyDan
What software are you using for the grath visualization?
rrdtool https://oss.oetiker.ch/rrdtool/
Specifically a Perl script to do an snmpwalk and write the values to an RRD which can be graphed with rrdgraph.

Re: wAP 60G experience

Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 5:41 pm
by MonkeyDan
And 6.43rc17 has vastly improved one of our longer links (~170m)
Waiting for a final release to upgrade to the rest.
what FW was before upgrade to 43rc17 ?
6.42.1

Re: wAP 60G experience

Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 10:55 pm
by brasileottanta
after upgrade to 43rc19

Re: wAP 60G experience

Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 12:50 am
by djvolt1942
w60g_1421 .jpg
Test in Rainy day, Light Rainfall, on 1200 meters link Rock Solid Signal 80 mcs 8 everytime
New model of aluminium antenna with draft shield on the front soon :P

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78On7sLnv_k
http://siec.multimediahd.pl/60ghz#400

Re: wAP 60G experience

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:38 am
by Insider
Hi guys, we finalised a EM concentrator solution for ranges up to 600m.. It is compact solution for current housing with extra gain 10 dB for each end..

connected: yes
frequency: 58320
remote-address: 30:07:4D:87:84:16
mcs: 8
phy-rate: 2.3Gbps
signal: 80
rssi: -51
tx-sector: 27
tx-sector-info: right 3.8 degrees, down 3.8 degrees
rx-sector: 96
distance: 231.2m

Shortly we will have ready market solution

We found some bug, that by this level of signal device disconnects time to time

Re: wAP 60G experience

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:32 pm
by antonsb
This will be fixed in next RC version

Re: wAP 60G experience

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 1:37 pm
by Insider
OK, I lied you.. Should be fine up to 1 km with -63
We will build a link shortly for 973 m to test it..
Here it is how it looks like in prototypes, it has simple aiming tool (which is completely correct)

Next week we will improve the LHG.

Re: wAP 60G experience

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:13 pm
by djvolt1942
This Horn is made from Plastic or Metal? :P

You can reach on this about 600m?

Re: wAP 60G experience

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:14 pm
by Insider
This Horn is made from Plastic or Metal? :P

You can reach on this about 600m?
What you prefer, plastic or metal ? We can make you limited edition :)

We will reach 1km with this.