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Re: wAP 60G experience

Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:20 pm

This Horn is made from Plastic or Metal? :P

You can reach on this about 600m?
What you prefer, plastic or metal ? We can make you limited edition :)

We will reach 1km with this.
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:29 pm

ok ok, the wAPs will be original with this or we will do something with original plastic case?

I think Aluminum will be much better than plastic...

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Re: wAP 60G experience

Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:34 pm


You try to sell your ugly stuff in the MT-Forum? Please keep away with this. Order a booth at a MUM if you want to make money or ask MT to sell you AD-Banners on the website.
I am not trying, to sell anything to anybody. In business, there are certain conditions which are specified offer and demand, it is reasonable to know price for buyer, and the seller should offer it somewhere something to sell. Those two condition were not met, thats why you get probably confused about, once you ask.
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:38 pm

ok ok, the wAPs will be original with this or we will do something with original plastic case?

I think Aluminum will be much better than plastic...

Please send me price on PM :)
I am not trying to sell, we are developers and we sell solutions to large players, you will find soon some relevant offers in distribution chains, depending who will take care about opportunity.
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:35 pm

Hello,

Question;

With RouterOS 6.42 i saw w60g > status: MCS: 9/10/11.
Now with RouterOS 6.42.1 i only see MCS: 8 or lower. Is this a bug of feature?

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Seems to be a feature.
http://rfmw.em.keysight.com/wireless/he ... ncepts.htm
MCS8 is more than enough to carry 2Gbps.
More is not necessary, because 1000Base-T is the limiting factor here.

Just to make the story complete.
In 6.42.4 i noticed MCS 10 and MCS 11 again.
Not sure if it got changed back or something prevented me from going 'full' speed before.

Testing with winbox 3.15 and Bandwidth Test 6.42.4, Wireless Wire.
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:52 pm

Update 6.42.5:
*) w60g - added 4th 802.11ad channel (CLI only);
*) w60g - added distance measurement;
*) w60g - general stability and performance improvements;
*) w60g - improved maximum achievable distance;
*) w60g - properly report center status under "tx-sector-info";

Only seeing MCS 8 again.
Which has a PHY Rate of 2.3 Gbps, which of course is more than enough.
Cool updates! Hope to see the 4th channel in the GUI soon.

And in the future, can you use 1 Wireless Wire as 60 GHz WiFi AP?
Or maybe you already can? Still learning a lot.
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:54 pm

Update 6.42.5:
*) w60g - added 4th 802.11ad channel (CLI only);
*) w60g - added distance measurement;
*) w60g - general stability and performance improvements;
*) w60g - improved maximum achievable distance;
*) w60g - properly report center status under "tx-sector-info";

Only seeing MCS 8 again.
Which has a PHY Rate of 2.3 Gbps, which of course is more than enough.
Cool updates! Hope to see the 4th channel in the GUI soon.

And in the future, can you use 1 Wireless Wire as 60 GHz WiFi AP?
Or maybe you already can? Still learning a lot.
You can if You upgrade license to level4, or You can get wAP60G AP:
https://mikrotik.com/product/wap_60g_ap
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Sun Jul 08, 2018 7:00 pm

Introduction of QAM16 in 6.43.42 was not succesfull. MCS 10 but performance close to dial-up networking :-/
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:49 pm

Need your advice.

I just installed wAP60g kit but horizontally. Left is MASTER, right is SLAVE. Is this supported? Should I cover any holes where water could potentially leak? With what? Silicone? Anyway, it works well. Even with heavy rain - and I mean heavy as fcuk.

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Distance is 72m and stats as seen here:

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Re: wAP 60G experience

Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:01 am

The cable must ti oriented down, rotate you device that cable is down, in that case not need any other method to make it water proof.
Mounting like on picture is just mater of time when water or condensed water will fill up case and fry electronic inside.

MUST BE installed vertically if you need to work long time :).
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:46 pm

Slave is mounted to the window sill and this is the only way - house owner do not allow us to mount it in any other way. I mounted it using quickmount pro, but I'll try to mount it using quickmount pro lhg - it should be in correct position.

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Re: wAP 60G experience

Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:13 pm

Fixed ;)

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Everything works as expected ;)
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:27 pm

https://mikrotik.com/download/changelogs

What's new in 6.42.6 (2018-Jul-06 11:56):

*) bridge - improved packets processing when bridge port changes states;
*) crs3xx - fixed bonding slave failover when packets are sent out of the bridge interface;
*) crs3xx - fixed LACP member failover;
*) crs3xx - improved link state detection when one side has disabled interface;
*) defconf - fixed bridge default configuration for SOHO devices with more than 9 Ethernet interfaces;
*) package - free up used storage space consumed by old RouterOS upgrades;
*) snmp - fixed w60g "phy-rate" readings;
*) supout - added "ip-cloud" section to supout file;
*) w60g - fixed random disconnects;
*) w60g - general stability and performance improvements;
*) winbox - added 64,8 GHz frequency to w60g interface frequency settings;
*) winbox - show "sector-writes" on devices that have such counters;

Important update! 4th channel/frequency, in case you may need it :)
But most importantly, the random disconnects are fixed. And i thought i did something wrong.
Very happy with this update, good job!

Update:
After a night of sleep, 7 link downs. Testing in the living room.
Now off to work, see how it goes.

Update 2:
After about 10 hours, no more link downs. Who knows, maybe my living room is haunted during the night. :lol:
Will keep testing!

Update 3:
Link downs from 8 to 23 during day time.
So yeah, the fix is not 100% yet.
Hope the developers read this.
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:49 am

Installed a LHGG-60ad link a few days ago. Couple questions for those that have some of these up:

1) Is there an SNMP OID for the RSSI? We are graphing signal and MCS but I prefer to capture RSSI.

2) What are you doing to aim? I have aimed Siklu, IgniteNet and other millimeter wave gear but the aiming for these is different. I feel like there is beam steering on the AP and it makes it very hard to aim with beam steering on. I'd like a more responsive RSSI meter or another method for aiming. We keep hitting side lobes but the numbers are not very responsive. Are there tricks or can you turn off beam steering (if it's on)?

3) Where do I adjust TX power? We are a 233 meter link and I think "default" power is too strong. We see lots of fluctuations with signal.

Firmware is 6.42.6 Not wanting to run RC's on a production link...
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:55 am

in CLI:

/interface w60g set wlan60-1 tx-power=1...15
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:13 am

Someone knows the default tx poxer of lhg and wag60?
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:08 pm

LHG60: I think 15 :P
wAP60: I think 5
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:18 pm

Theorically default tx power of LHG is less than WAP60

In old thread I find this
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:33 pm

Hi Mikrotik dudes, do you plan add an SFP interface on wAP 60G ?
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Thu Aug 23, 2018 5:04 pm

What's new in 6.42.7 (2018-Aug-17 09:48):

MAJOR CHANGES IN v6.42.7:
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!) security - fixed vulnerabilities CVE-2018-1156, CVE-2018-1157, CVE-2018-1158, CVE-2018-1159;
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*) w60g - added distance measurement feature;
*) w60g - fixed random disconnects;
*) w60g - general stability and performance improvements;
*) w60g - improved MCS rate detection process;
*) w60g - improved MTU change handling;
*) w60g - properly close connection with station on disconnect;
*) w60g - stop doing distance measurements after first successful measurement;
...

Link has been online all night and day after this update.
Testing in my living room. Wireless Wire that is.

So very advised update! Good stuff.

Update:
Last Link Up Time: Aug/23/2018 04:59:43 (now Aug/25/2018/06:05:00)
Link Downs: 0

Very happy with this update.
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Tue Sep 11, 2018 4:39 pm

Just curious to know if someone has put 8 in clients on WAP 60?
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Tue Sep 11, 2018 4:42 pm

Yes, total 18 clients for 3 sectors with wAP60G, Todays max 200meters form Sector...
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Tue Sep 11, 2018 4:48 pm

Have you tried to run 8 speedtest from the clients? Can you share the performance?
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:19 pm

Is there some tests completed on RBLHGG-60ad with frost cover on the reflector ?
What can we expect, how it will behave in winter?
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:05 pm

Is there some tests completed on RBLHGG-60ad with frost cover on the reflector ?
What can we expect, how it will behave in winter?
I also like to add a question how many clients AP support? with new LHG 60G lite for clients it's datasheet says it can support maximum of 3 clients per AP which seems quite low imho.
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:13 pm

All 60GHz devices in AP mode currently supports up to 8 clients.
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:23 pm

@antonsb in the next future we can expect 16 o more clients in AP mode?
All 60GHz devices in AP mode currently supports up to 8 clients.
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:55 am

Hi, I have problems with my mikrotik. I can not get more than 200 symmetric Mbs

If I do a btest only with Tx = 596 and Rx = 0 Mbs
If I do u btest only reception TX = 0 and RX = 450 Mbs
I do the teas with Tx and RX and the result is Tx = 145 and Rx = 98 - 120 (it has fluctuations)
The distance <600 m

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Re: wAP 60G experience

Sun Oct 28, 2018 8:13 am

check the cpu cores load of both antennas during the speedtest, from terminal:

system resource cpu print interval=1
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:13 am

check the cpu cores load of both antennas during the speedtest, from terminal:

system resource cpu print interval=1
And don’t forget that LhG60 has Quad Core CPU and Bandwidth Test only utilized one core.....
So if you see 25% CPU using, it is maxed out!
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:35 pm

How can I have one wAP60G client have a signal of 45 while MCS 6 or 7 and a second wAP60G client have signal 55 but only MCS3?

Would higher more signal not mean higher MCS?
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:55 pm

How can I have one wAP60G client have a signal of 45 while MCS 6 or 7 and a second wAP60G client have signal 55 but only MCS3?

Would higher more signal not mean higher MCS?
Could be multiple reflections? Difficult to know without having a look.

I have been following the early versions and although my link is short (18 m, just crossing a street) it proved to be troublesome with multiple reflections. The last
beta version (6.44beta28) is rock solid for me. However, make sure to run the same version in the clients and AP units. Otherwise I think that the beam training features can fail.
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:18 pm

LHG60 @4,7km :D Of course its unstable, just for testing purposes
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:31 pm

When will we get MCS12? :D

1300 meters link with latest Metrolinq firmware:

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Re: wAP 60G experience

Wed Nov 21, 2018 3:33 am

There is no point having MCS12 when we are limited by GigE interface (I'm sure current hardware can do it, but there is no point why go that high). Instead of making cheap 100Mbit/s CPEs, Mikrotik should release SFP+ version or something like wired 5Gb/s. Also reducing modulation speed to get more channels would be nice, there is no point wasting entire current 2GHz channel to serve a few 100Mbit/s clients....
 
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 4:15 am

There is no point having MCS12 when we are limited by GigE interface (I'm sure current hardware can do it, but there is no point why go that high). Instead of making cheap 100Mbit/s CPEs, Mikrotik should release SFP+ version or something like wired 5Gb/s. Also reducing modulation speed to get more channels would be nice, there is no point wasting entire current 2GHz channel to serve a few 100Mbit/s clients....
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:21 am

There is no point having MCS12 when we are limited by GigE interface (I'm sure current hardware can do it, but there is no point why go that high). Instead of making cheap 100Mbit/s CPEs, Mikrotik should release SFP+ version or something like wired 5Gb/s. Also reducing modulation speed to get more channels would be nice, there is no point wasting entire current 2GHz channel to serve a few 100Mbit/s clients....
I could be wrong but I think regulations mandate the use of 2Ghz channels in that band.
(and the Metrolinq has a 2.5G ethernet port)
 
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:18 am

There is no point having MCS12 when we are limited by GigE interface (I'm sure current hardware can do it, but there is no point why go that high). Instead of making cheap 100Mbit/s CPEs, Mikrotik should release SFP+ version or something like wired 5Gb/s. Also reducing modulation speed to get more channels would be nice, there is no point wasting entire current 2GHz channel to serve a few 100Mbit/s clients....
I could be wrong but I think regulations mandate the use of 2Ghz channels in that band.
(and the Metrolinq has a 2.5G ethernet port)
I know Ignite since 2015, but Mikrotik doesn’t have any 60G Device with More then 1gig port.

Channel widths could be Hardware problem but no regulation problem!
 
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 12:08 pm

There is no point having MCS12 when we are limited by GigE interface (I'm sure current hardware can do it, but there is no point why go that high). Instead of making cheap 100Mbit/s CPEs, Mikrotik should release SFP+ version or something like wired 5Gb/s. Also reducing modulation speed to get more channels would be nice, there is no point wasting entire current 2GHz channel to serve a few 100Mbit/s clients....
100% agree. If we would be able to halve the bandwidth we could still serve 4-8 clients per AP but since we now could have 8 different frequencies in total we can make an 8 AP tower serving a max of 64 clients. By smart placing the AP's and distribution of the channels we would still have a undisturbed (interference) spectrum for the clients and would still be able to deliver 100Mbps or more to the clients.
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 12:33 pm

How can I have one wAP60G client have a signal of 45 while MCS 6 or 7 and a second wAP60G client have signal 55 but only MCS3?

Would higher more signal not mean higher MCS?
Could be multiple reflections? Difficult to know without having a look.

I have been following the early versions and although my link is short (18 m, just crossing a street) it proved to be troublesome with multiple reflections. The last
beta version (6.44beta28) is rock solid for me. However, make sure to run the same version in the clients and AP units. Otherwise I think that the beam training features can fail.
Well, don't know. We have 4 wAP60G AP units in a mast, using all the 4 frequencies.
We have one AP with 1 client at 132 meter and both units running 6.44beta28.........rock solid
But the other 3 wAP60G AP PtMP networks were all on 6.44beta28 as well, all with 2 or 4 clients, all with 20 to 150 meter distance, and all loads of cuts.Special with light rain loads of cuts. Even more then when we have heavy rain which only sees the signals en MCS rates drop.
Two of these wAP60 AP's we already brought back to 6.43.4 which made the drops much less.
I have seen several saying 6.44beta28 is rock solid, to us in general it doesn't seem so....
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Wed Nov 21, 2018 12:35 pm

There is no point having MCS12 when we are limited by GigE interface (I'm sure current hardware can do it, but there is no point why go that high). Instead of making cheap 100Mbit/s CPEs, Mikrotik should release SFP+ version or something like wired 5Gb/s. Also reducing modulation speed to get more channels would be nice, there is no point wasting entire current 2GHz channel to serve a few 100Mbit/s clients....
100% agree. If we would be able to halve the bandwidth we could still serve 4-8 clients per AP but since we now could have 8 different frequencies in total we can make an 8 AP tower serving a max of 64 clients. By smart placing the AP's and distribution of the channels we would still have a undisturbed (interference) spectrum for the clients and would still be able to deliver 100Mbps or more to the clients.
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LARGE antenna LHG XL 60 GHz 550mm ( LHG 60Ghz 330mm )

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the range with the 600mm antenna would be over 8km
 
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 12:53 pm

There is no point having MCS12 when we are limited by GigE interface (I'm sure current hardware can do it, but there is no point why go that high). Instead of making cheap 100Mbit/s CPEs, Mikrotik should release SFP+ version or something like wired 5Gb/s. Also reducing modulation speed to get more channels would be nice, there is no point wasting entire current 2GHz channel to serve a few 100Mbit/s clients....
100% agree. If we would be able to halve the bandwidth we could still serve 4-8 clients per AP but since we now could have 8 different frequencies in total we can make an 8 AP tower serving a max of 64 clients. By smart placing the AP's and distribution of the channels we would still have a undisturbed (interference) spectrum for the clients and would still be able to deliver 100Mbps or more to the clients.
100% agree. 1+
The larger antenna is the larger range + Radom
LARGE antenna LHG XL 60 GHz 550mm ( LHG 60Ghz 330mm )

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the range with the 600mm antenna would be over 8km
Did you actually test that antenna?
There is a physical limit for the signal range unless you boost the radio output. Next you are going to tell us that with a 2 meter dish you can do 20km in 60Ghz. No way.... attenuation will still break down the signal. Maybe if you put a 500Watt booster on the radio..... everything has to be metal by then.... :lol:
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Wed Nov 21, 2018 2:01 pm

dear MikroTik guys... plz add 60GHz products to your Wireless Calculator! :)
 
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 2:54 pm

Channel widths could be Hardware problem but no regulation problem!

The larger antenna is the larger range + Radom
LARGE antenna LHG XL 60 GHz 550mm ( LHG 60Ghz 330mm )

the range with the 600mm antenna would be over 8km

Right, 500hz width channel at 66Ghz+ frequency with 50+ EIRP for the win! Seems nobody even pretend to operate legal links here. Oh, yeah, I forgot: it's just for testing!
 
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 3:07 pm

There is no point having MCS12 when we are limited by GigE interface. Also reducing modulation speed to get more channels would be nice, there is no point wasting entire current 2GHz channel to serve a few 100Mbit/s clients....
Oh, and by the way, you want 500Mhz channel and don't see why MCS12 would be useful, even with full duplex Gbps interface?

PS: Personally, I don't care about 100Mbps clients. I only use 60Ghz for backhaul. The LHG are mainly PtP anyway.
 
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 6:30 pm

There is no point having MCS12 when we are limited by GigE interface. Also reducing modulation speed to get more channels would be nice, there is no point wasting entire current 2GHz channel to serve a few 100Mbit/s clients....
Oh, and by the way, you want 500Mhz channel and don't see why MCS12 would be useful, even with full duplex Gbps interface?
Sure, with narrow channel high MCSs would make a sense. But if anything, it seems to be a hardware limitation of used 60GHz radio chipset to only support 2GHz channels. So if anything, I expect some better interface options from Mikrotik. Wouldn't be surprised if they already have some prototype with SFP+ but it usually takes a long time for a new product to appear and even longer to be available...
Most flexible option would be SFP+ and one or more GigE ports. You could use GigE for POE and data for the building while connecting two 60G bridge units back to back with SFP+ DAC cable for a high capacity backbone link.
 
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:34 pm

A 1/2.5/5/10Gb ethernet interface would be great as it would work on most existing cables. (I have 10Gb over 30m of cat5e cable, not even cat6)

But even before such interface, I would like a better antenna with radome so that 1km+ links would be stable under heavy rain or snow. Under best conditions, the LHG60 is still at least 10dB worse than a Metrolinq 60-35. In fact, what I would really like is the LHG CPU inside a Metrolinq antenna hardware (with RouterOS).
 
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:37 pm

A 1/2.5/5/10Gb ethernet interface would be great as it would work on most existing cables. (I have 10Gb over 30m of cat5e cable, not even cat6)

But even before such interface, I would like a better antenna with radome so that 1km+ links would be stable under heavy rain or snow. Under best conditions, the LHG60 is still at least 10dB worse than a Metrolinq 60-35. In fact, what I would really like is the LHG CPU inside a Metrolinq antenna hardware (with RouterOS).
A radome makes no difference to 60Ghz with rain. With snow it might. But not with rain. It's the amount of rain drops that consume and reflect the radio energy over bigger distances that make the attenuation too big.
I also have ML antenas and replace them all by LHG60G since they are so much more stable... and for half the price....
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:18 pm

You are wrong as many say so,..

if there is no water on the dish and radiator [feeder] means a much more stable link, because we have a very focused beam.

The same is how you set up a shield for powerbeam, it works much better and more stable than without a shield/radom...
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:49 pm

A radome makes no difference to 60Ghz with rain. With snow it might. But not with rain. It's the amount of rain drops that consume and reflect the radio energy over bigger distances that make the attenuation too big.
I also have ML antenas and replace them all by LHG60G since they are so much more stable... and for half the price....
Many people reported that, with LHG, the signal stays down even when it stops raining until the antenna dry somehow. I noticed the same thing myself. I don't have that problem at all with the Metrolinq that are protected by a radome.

I don't care if the LHG are half the price: they are fine bellow 1Km but above 1Km, they lose signal under heavy rain while the Metrolinq stay at full capacity. That's not really a surprise: at 1.2Km, LHG have a signal around -55dBm while Metrolinq have a signal around -44dBm. That's a much bigger margin. I would prefer to use LHG because their throughput is much higher with small packets but I can't accept to fully lose the links each time there is some heavy rain, even if it's only for a few minutes. So for everything above 1Km, I am sticking with Metrolinq.

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