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Re: wAP 60G experience

Fri Dec 29, 2017 2:12 pm

please give us details about link drop during a rain. Has it preceded degradation or is just link interrupt with the beginning of rain.if the smaller rain interrupts the link to 100 meters it will be great problem. I have already mentioned several times to the mikrotik how to assess the problem if we can not read signal rssi on devices.
WIth very very light rain the signal level degrade quick to 50, the worst signal that I see is 30 then the link drop. If I put a speedtest sometimes the signal back to 70 or 80 even with rain, I can't explain why
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Fri Dec 29, 2017 2:22 pm

Please upgrade to latest version to support rates under MCS4 and check alignment.
I am running 6.41.rc66.

Which vversion 6.41 or 6.42rc2 ?
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:12 pm

my 2 cents. i think signal drop is not about rain attenaution at least not on 100m. my opinion is that durring rain rf path enviroment change dynamically, so originated rf, expirience numerous reflections from rain drop and confuse phase array antenna algoritmh.if this is reason that leads us to next generation of mikrotik wap60, device for p2mp where i expect to solve simillar problem. also we must conclude mikrotik must rearange algoritmh on p2p wap60 device to p2p,its not need complex array algoritmh mehanism except for achieving wider beam coverage, and on the end that improved p2p device will be better solution to mounting on dish antenna :)
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:32 pm

latest version to support rates under MCS4 and check alignment.
Just testing 6.42RC in my room: MCS could fall down to 1 by signal level 35/40, latency going up to 200ms time by time on low signal... When one unit was turned a bit, two signal LED on both units light-up but pings still timed out. There si a few seconds delay from the moment wehn signal leds light-up to pings start replaying. Expect to signal/MCS algorithm still need some improovements. Lowest signal I could achieve is 25.

Is there any way to read signal level and MSC from device programaticaly (SNMP or SSH)? Have custom monitoring system and want to include this boxes for testing.
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Fri Dec 29, 2017 8:45 pm

Is there any way to read signal level and MSC from device programaticaly (SNMP or SSH)? Have custom monitoring system and want to include this boxes for testing.
You can get it via SSH using "/interface w60g monitor 0"
We really need SNMP support, though, for integration.
Awesome product otherwise!
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Sat Dec 30, 2017 12:52 pm

Is there any way to read signal level and MSC from device programaticaly (SNMP or SSH)? Have custom monitoring system and want to include this boxes for testing.
You can get it via SSH using "/interface w60g monitor 0"
Thanks, I cant find it...
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:00 am

New data from our outdoor test enviroment:

client 1: 97m
client 2: 105m
client 3: 200m wag60g in the focus of cambium450d prime focus parabola

the clients are on the same line (hidden nodes problem) few degrees of difference:

client 1: signal from 50 to 80
client 2: signal from 40 to 60
client 3: signal form 50 to 100

ih the last 24 hours wre have had some rain/wind events here the pics from meteo station the wap60g reports all clients dropping at:

22:21 jan/1/2018
22.44 jan/1/2018

no dropping in the heavier rain event in the mornig
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:55 pm

on China MUM in Wireless Wire Presentation was Info of Antenna gain, 13,5dBi when i´m remember correct...
I missed the Hardware Presentation... hope the Slides are online next week.....
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:52 pm

I've made a simple 85mt. link with wAP 60G.
Signal is 65, MCS 8.. but when I start to pass TCP traffic across the link signal drop and link go down
If I test with UDP BWTest across the link still remain up

Why??

I'm running 6.41
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:45 pm

@ Lupin
Try max. MTU 1500 (L2MTU 1600) on Wireless-Interface not higher
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:35 am

I can confirm this issue during heavy load (speetest udp both directions) the signal floats from 40 to 60 with loads until 200 Mb/s both direction the signal no drop and it stay stable at 80

Upgrade from 6.41 to 6.42rc6 not solve the problem.
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:10 am

I've made a simple 85mt. link with wAP 60G.
Signal is 65, MCS 8.. but when I start to pass TCP traffic across the link signal drop and link go down
If I test with UDP BWTest across the link still remain up

Why??

I'm running 6.41
Problem in my case is MTU.
I lowered from 1700 to 1600 and problem disappear
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:11 pm

Can you please monitor CPU core (not CPU, but individual CPU core) usage during this TCP test and report back to us if it hits 100% when problem appears? You can see this usage under System/Resource/CPU menu.
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:05 pm

Making test from wag60g
cpu0: 100%
cpu1: 0%
cpu2: 0%
Cpu3: 0%

Making several test from from HEX gigabit to rb3011 passing wag60g sometime the signal is stable at 80, sometime floats a little bit or sometime floats a lot. cpu0 load is always around 50% and one of the other 3 cpu goes aorund 65%

Ros version is 6.42rc6
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:11 pm

One of the long issue list with ROS6

Bandwidth test is not capable for multi Core

Please don’t make Test from Device themselv!
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:16 pm

I suggest that SFP port be added to this device in future models. That will make it even more superb. My concern is that the board may not have enough space for this.
With SFP included, it will be easy to use the wap g60 to bridge gaps on a fiber transmission path.
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:45 am

Some pictures with the product , we can see ?
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:28 pm

Yes, testing model: https://trzepak.pl/viewtopic.php?p=480703#p480703

Final product will be with 8 year guarantee for protection without rust and some modifications.
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:44 pm

Yes, testing model: https://trzepak.pl/viewtopic.php?p=480703#p480703

Final product will be with 8 year guarantee for protection without rust and some modifications.
Nice work if you can achieve 1km. But, what are your antenna parameters like? What beam width do you achieve on the horizontal axis?
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:23 pm

I don't have spectral analysis so I can't do this, but I think about 20 degrees, because wAPs have 60 degrees and we have more free space to align this antenna for 600 meters.

Antenna is renew NanoBridge 400m with more modifications.
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:31 pm

Hello @Djvolt1942 could I ask for contact? I'm interested in some of your equipment.
Moze byc po polsku chetnie zakupie rozwiazanie nawet w fazie testow dla ptmp.
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:14 pm

Please send email to: office[at]multimediahd.pl
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:01 am

Dears

Our solution is finished.

Please check our website: http://siec.multimediahd.pl/60ghz#400

Products 300mm, 650mm and special wAP holder very soon.

At this time we preparing also Sector PtMP with special holder and housing for 120 degrees

Kind Regards
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:30 am

Speed Issues with both firmware... i'm testing now the last release candidate, but i had the same problem with ufficial.

I've a link less than 100mt with 2 wap 60G

I've signal 80 with mcs 8, when i start bandwidth test with tcp signal go down to 50 and mcs to 4-5 and come up at 7 with signal 70-80 sometimes. Bandwidth is max 300mps.
If i test with udp protocol signal will be better and transfer rate will be 1gbps.

if i test a link with real transfert of a file from 2 servers i reach max 7mbps.

Please help me.. l2 mtu is 1600 and mtu 1500.

ARP is enabled
Cliend isolation is enabled
Channel on auto.

Now i've signal 50 and mcs 8 (bandwidth test is off).

I align the link not well? what's happend?
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:21 pm

Please read previous posts testing. Bandwidth test runs on one core, currently You are testing one core packet generation performance, not link throughput.
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:10 pm

Just received mine, I'm impressed :)

I have just tried them inside the office. The link length was about 5 metres.

In order to generate more bandidth with bandwidth-test I have ran two tests in transmit mode, one from each unit. Using UDP it sustained around 900 Mbps
in full duplex.

One problem, though. I have managed to break the locking tab of both table stands.
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:43 am

Our new test on our Sector 120 degree with special Shield and also Precision 300 Station [300mm with special precision holder to milimeter align HV] :P

3 points = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6c4JrmGkk0 [to show 120 degrees]
400m = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMWKk_TVtWw
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:38 pm

Does anyone have any clarity about UK requirements for these?
From my reading that whilst 60Ghz is license exempt OFCOM require a minimum 30dB antenna to give narrow beams. Reading above it seems the antenna is about 12-14dB so this would make the product unusable in the UK?

***Edit just re-read the distributors web page and they clearly state they are for indoor use only. Such a shame.
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:39 am

Does anyone have any clarity about UK requirements for these?
From my reading that whilst 60Ghz is license exempt OFCOM require a minimum 30dB antenna to give narrow beams. Reading above it seems the antenna is about 12-14dB so this would make the product unusable in the UK?
European regulators haven't made a decision yet, although it seems they are studying it. This report from Ofcom suggests it:
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/ ... report.pdf

But for now the only allowed usage without license is, at least in Spain (and I think the EU) is indoors, considering the 802.11ad standard.

However, I guess they will reconsider it eventually. The oxygen absorption peak severely limits the maximum achievable link distance but
at the same time it makes frequency reuse much easier.

Time will tell.
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:13 pm

All in Europe: ETSI EN 302 217-2 = 06.2016 and ETSI EN 302 567 12.2016
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:06 pm

MESH wap 60 possible in the future? Sounds like more appropriate for this band. Short range, large spectrum space. What do you think ?
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:47 am

MESH wap 60 possible in the future? Sounds like more appropriate for this band. Short range, large spectrum space. What do you think ?
For what kind of clients?
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:32 pm

I suppose he is reffering to backhaul of traffic from one AP to another AP forming a meshed network. The huge capacity available on the wap60 makes it a candidate for traffic backhauling.
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Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:33 pm

I suppose he is reffering to backhaul of traffic from one AP to another AP forming a meshed network. The huge capacity available on the wap60 makes it a candidate for traffic backhauling.
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:54 am

Not realy, urban deployment. from neighbors to neighbors.
not for backhauling.
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:34 am

I have one installed about 100m away and it works like a charm.

Getting 100 up and down even in the rain, haven't replaced the poe's yet to get a gig link
There you go then you touched something ;-) : it only takes a change in wind direction to screw with your nat :-)
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Tue Feb 27, 2018 4:17 am

mesh implement in the future?
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Fri Mar 02, 2018 4:16 pm

Dear Sirs,
pls inform if you have any plan to include into software of model wAPG-60 support of NV2 protocol (for m2p networks)
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Fri Mar 02, 2018 4:23 pm

dear sirs,
pls inform if you have any plan to include into software of model wAPG-60 support of NV2 protocol (for m2p networks)
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:00 pm

A suggestion.

I see that the standard MIB for the 60 GHz interface includes both discards and errors statistics. Are those variables actually updated? It would be helpful to know it for sure.
A note in the documentation would help.
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Mon Mar 26, 2018 1:12 pm

Is this improovement:

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What's new in 6.42rc49 (2018-Mar-21 12:34):
*) w60g/Wireless-Wire - increased supported distance for wAP 60G to 200+ meters;
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somehow related to MCS 1-4 provisioning announcement in late december 2017? If not, how is greater operating distance achieved? By increasing of TX power?
 
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Mon Mar 26, 2018 1:14 pm

By increasing of TX power?
No, by optimizing the driver.
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Mon Mar 26, 2018 1:41 pm

No, by optimizing the driver.
So this man https://youtu.be/S9bMO4r9htI?t=1090 says no truth?
 
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Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:04 pm

No, by optimizing the driver.
So this man https://youtu.be/S9bMO4r9htI?t=1090 says no truth?
Where does he say that the only thing done was boosting TX power?
Several improvements were done in the driver, including beamforming optimisations and others.
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:56 pm

No, by optimizing the driver.
So this man https://youtu.be/S9bMO4r9htI?t=1090 says no truth?
Where does he say that the only thing done was boosting TX power?
Several improvements were done in the driver, including beamforming optimisations and others.
He ment greater distance togeather with provisioning MCS under 4 and says something like: "...will suffer with less speed, but distance could be greater", which could be misleading. Thank you for your clarification.

BTW: Could you more specific "and others"? Many people accross web forums experimenting are surely interesting in details.... Thanks
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:16 pm

No we can't be more specific, sorry. This is internal workings of a proprietary technology.
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Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:23 pm

No we can't be more specific, sorry. This is internal workings of a proprietary technology.
Understood. Thanks anyway....
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Wed Apr 04, 2018 4:15 pm

Have someone tried with some "light" obstacles between the aps? Like trees (not fat branches, yes light leaves), etc.

I'm thinking about to purchase them, now I have -40dBm (got -50dBm in summer with more leaves) on 100m link with 5.8Ghz 5AC 19dBi with 2-3 trees in the middle (most all leaves), and I don't know if would be possible to upgrade the link to 60Ghz with that soft obstacles (or wait to the more powerful and directional LHG 60G to awoid trees). I don't spect to get the full gig, but I'd like to improve my actual real (230~/230mbps) rates

Thanks!
 
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Re: wAP 60G experience

Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:42 pm

There are T/Rx-sector items in
interface w60g monitor 0 once
command output.Anybody know what this last two lines exactly means?

connected: yes
       frequency: 60480
  remote-address: 30:07:4D:81:D0:B6
             mcs: 8
          signal: 80
       tx-sector: 54
       rx-sector: 96

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