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Wireless Wire WAP 60G P2MP Beam forming _

Fri Dec 29, 2017 2:09 pm

We have been testing a pair of Wireless Wire devices, very nice they are too.
It is posible to observe the beam Forming antennas in operation. Change the angle of one of the antennas, you will see the signal drop, then in a few seconds recover, as the automatic beam forming re focuses the signal.

My question is what will happen with p2mp configurations, where the clients are all at different angles from the AP?
Will the AP remember and dynamicaly point the beam to a different angle with every Client during every TDMA time slot? What about Multicast in this case?
Or will AP antenna fall back to some sort of "wide beam mode", meaning less distance for p2mp?
Anyone have experience of 60GHz P2MP yet? If so how many clients over what distances and angles from the node?

One little gripe, I think having to buy L4 licenses just to use P2MP / AP is a bit cheeky when these little devices already cost us over 100$ each.
 
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Re: Wireless Wire WAP 60G P2MP Beam forming _

Fri Dec 29, 2017 3:27 pm

About the L4 ... don't do it. We will soon publish a solution that you will like. Right after New Years. Wink Wink
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Re: Wireless Wire WAP 60G P2MP Beam forming _

Fri Dec 29, 2017 9:58 pm

Thanks Normis,
An Answer like I was hoping for.
I can see many use cases where it will necessary to run AP and Mesh in 60 GHz campus backhaul type solutions.
You will sell more quantity for sure.
60G... "its wifi, but not as we know it captin!"
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Re: Wireless Wire WAP 60G P2MP Beam forming _

Sat Dec 30, 2017 8:26 pm

Anyone have experience of 60GHz P2MP yet? If so how many clients over what distances and angles from the node?
maximum clients allowed are 8 and in outdoor test very big problems with the hidden nodes when the clients are on the same line, if the far end client starts trasmtting to AP over 50mb/s other clients lower MCS and sometimes they drop connections. Max distance 200m with signal 40
 
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Re: Wireless Wire WAP 60G P2MP Beam forming _

Tue Jan 02, 2018 9:36 am

Normis the antenna beamforming is only in the horizontal plane or also in the vertical plane?
 
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Re: Wireless Wire WAP 60G P2MP Beam forming _

Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:50 pm

Normis the antenna beamforming is only in the horizontal plane or also in the vertical plane?
Is it real beamforming or beamsteering? Would be great to get some background info of the mechanisms behind.
 
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Re: Wireless Wire WAP 60G P2MP Beam forming _

Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:16 pm

And what is the vertical beam width?
 
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Re: Wireless Wire WAP 60G P2MP Beam forming _

Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:59 am

Many of your questions are answered here:
https://www.qualcomm.com/solutions/netw ... es/80211ad
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Re: Wireless Wire WAP 60G P2MP Beam forming _

Wed Jan 03, 2018 4:19 pm

maximum clients allowed are 8 and in outdoor test very big problems with the hidden nodes when the clients are on the same line, if the far end client starts trasmtting to AP over 50mb/s other clients lower MCS and sometimes they drop connections. Max distance 200m with signal 40
Does this still work like plain old WiFi with collisions -> retransmissions -> more collisions -> lower MCS -> even more collisions (longer time to transmit -> higher probability of collision)?
No RTS/CTS, no TDMA of any kind?
 
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Re: Wireless Wire WAP 60G P2MP Beam forming _

Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:15 pm

About the L4 ... don't do it. We will soon publish a solution that you will like. Right after New Years. Wink Wink
What about this solution ?
I've received pair of wap, but can't set AP Bridge mode, so how to get them working in PtMP ?
 
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Re: Wireless Wire WAP 60G P2MP Beam forming _

Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:12 am

Out of the box, the devices are not meant for P2M. They are sold as a P2P kit.
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Re: Wireless Wire WAP 60G P2MP Beam forming _

Thu Jan 04, 2018 1:20 pm

Don't tell anyone yet, but (Just kidding):

Next week, we plan to announce a free Level4 (AP mode) upgrade to all Wireless Wire users, so you can use the PtM functionality before we release dedicated AP models for 60GHz.
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Re: Wireless Wire WAP 60G P2MP Beam forming _

Thu Jan 04, 2018 2:25 pm

fingers crossed.
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Re: Wireless Wire WAP 60G P2MP Beam forming _

Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:03 pm

Awesome!
Don't tell anyone yet, but (Just kidding):

Next week, we plan to announce a free Level4 (AP mode) upgrade to all Wireless Wire users, so you can use the PtM functionality before we release dedicated AP models for 60GHz.
 
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Re: Wireless Wire WAP 60G P2MP Beam forming _

Sun Jan 07, 2018 7:50 pm

Hello,

is any possibility to connect more than 8 clients?

Thank you.
 
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Re: Wireless Wire WAP 60G P2MP Beam forming _

Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:30 pm

Normis the antenna beamforming is only in the horizontal plane or also in the vertical plane?
It works on both planes
 
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Re: Wireless Wire WAP 60G P2MP Beam forming _

Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:37 pm

Normis the antenna beamforming is only in the horizontal plane or also in the vertical plane?
It works on both planes
thank you for the info
 
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Re: Wireless Wire WAP 60G P2MP Beam forming _

Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:01 am

Any update on the L3->L4+ license upgrade process?

Edit: Nevermind, I found the other thread... for anyone else that lands here, go check out viewtopic.php?f=21&t=129408
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