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Re: LHG 60G experience

Sun Nov 25, 2018 10:23 am

Only a 5 ghz feed to use with external radio :-)
 
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Re: LHG 60G experience

Sun Nov 25, 2018 10:50 am

Only a 5 ghz feed to use with external radio :-)
You don't need external radio. 5ghz is implemented in same cpu with 60ghz. So, only feed!
 
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Re: LHG 60G experience

Sun Nov 25, 2018 12:05 pm

Congratulations Gemb! How much time did You spent on aligning? I have another 5130 meters link and didn't want even to try, but Gemb give me something to think about :)
Well its just for testing purposes, nothing else. Its not even stable....i was just curious how far can it get. Usable distance with pair of LHGs is about 1800m at 66GHz or 1400m with 64,8GHz. Stable in rain about 50mm/h. But for now we need protective cover for whole LHG because the grid of LHG is nicely holding snow and kills every longer link.
 
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Re: LHG 60G experience

Mon Nov 26, 2018 12:30 pm

As You can see, both links are working on 66.000! On the central location. antennas are almost back to back, and it looks like it doesn't bother them :) I tried shorter link at 64ghz, but connection was not stable. I assume that is misalignment related.
is better to use frequency: 66000 for long distance ? do you have any experience with your tests ?
 
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Re: LHG 60G experience

Mon Nov 26, 2018 1:02 pm

66GHz is mandatory on 2200+ meters!
 
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Re: LHG 60G experience

Mon Nov 26, 2018 2:50 pm

66GHz is mandatory on 2200+ meters!
Not exactly true -

connected: yes
frequency: 64800
remote-address: 04:D6:AA:AF:D3:C6
tx-mcs: 8
tx-phy-rate: 2.3Gbps
signal: 80
rssi: -57
distance: 2409.94m
 
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Re: LHG 60G experience

Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:39 pm

66GHz is mandatory on 2200+ meters!
Not exactly true -

connected: yes
frequency: 64800
remote-address: 04:D6:AA:AF:D3:C6
tx-mcs: 8
tx-phy-rate: 2.3Gbps
signal: 80
rssi: -57
distance: 2409.94m
so ? I can use 66Ghz for 900m link also for better performance.
 
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Re: LHG 60G experience

Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:58 pm

66GHz is mandatory on 2200+ meters!
Not exactly true -

connected: yes
frequency: 64800
remote-address: 04:D6:AA:AF:D3:C6
tx-mcs: 8
tx-phy-rate: 2.3Gbps
signal: 80
rssi: -57
distance: 2409.94m
Great info! I correct myself :) So, what is maximum theoretical distance for 64800?
 
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Re: LHG 60G experience

Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:13 pm

Hello

A colleague tried to install the Wireless Wire Dish kit (RBLHGG-60ADKIT), from mainland to an island. Mounted at 3 and 6 meter height, 700 meter over a lake, clear sight and so forth.

Also tried a different kit, same results. Default configuration, but no connection at all. Kits works without problems if next to each other. (ROS within 6.43.*). Used a couple of hours trying to align them with no success at all.

0.7 km with 60 Ghz should give maximum 0.93 m radius on the freznel zone ?
(Freznel zone calculator / formula).

How accurate must the alignment be for a successfull link to take place?

Other than alignment issues what could the problem be?

I would expect to see contact/link after trying long enough, even just for a short while ?


Next try we'll keep these tips in mind:
- Better mounting kits and/or lasers
- Disable beamforming: /interface w60g set 0 tx-sector=36
- Using CLI alignment (quicker/too quick): /interface w60g align wlan60-1
 
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Re: LHG 60G experience

Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:27 pm

Hello

A colleague tried to install the Wireless Wire Dish kit (RBLHGG-60ADKIT), from mainland to an island. Mounted at 3 and 6 meter height, 700 meter over a lake, clear sight and so forth.

Also tried a different kit, same results. Default configuration, but no connection at all. Kits works without problems if next to each other. (ROS within 6.43.*). Used a couple of hours trying to align them with no success at all.

0.7 km with 60 Ghz should give maximum 0.93 m radius on the freznel zone ?
(Freznel zone calculator / formula).

How accurate must the alignment be for a successfull link to take place?

Other than alignment issues what could the problem be?

I would expect to see contact/link after trying long enough, even just for a short while ?


Next try we'll keep these tips in mind:
- Better mounting kits and/or lasers
- Disable beamforming: /interface w60g set 0 tx-sector=36
- Using CLI alignment (quicker/too quick): /interface w60g align wlan60-1
from our experience, the most important thing is to put a good amount of traffic over the link during the alignment. If you don't, the readings are not updated fast enough. Even in alignment mode.
 
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Re: LHG 60G experience

Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:00 pm

Hello
Also tried a different kit, same results. Default configuration, but no connection at all. Kits works without problems if next to each other. (ROS within 6.43.*). Used a couple of hours trying to align them with no success at all.
If You could try downgrade to 6.43rc17 and see if it helps, I stumbled on very similar situation and downgrade to rc17 works like a charm.
And there is few similar situation in my deployments that rc17 works with stable mcs8 when newer fw wont even connect.
So If You would confirm rc17 as a solution I wouldn't feel alone :)
 
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Re: LHG 60G experience

Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:20 am

Yup also using the latest beta. On two separate links of +-1800m and 2000m cannot even make a single link. Using 64800 and 66000. You would think after aiming for a while there would at least be a connection - a bad one at least.
 
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Re: LHG 60G experience

Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:32 am

Yes, You have to wait a little (a lot) for link to establish. Be patient. First, connect devices in lab conditions, and after that take them to the field. Be sure to use 64800 or 66000. Aiming of LHG is very critical since it has only 2°. That 2° is very different from 5GHz. 60GHz have instant cut-off when You misalign the link. Once again: be patient. And put some traffic between devices while aiming - it would help a little (thanks to ryny24 for the tip).

And one last thing - I am using latest beta (6.44beta28) on all of my 60ghz links...
 
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Re: LHG 60G experience

Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:57 am

Hi!

Aligning is a real pain compared to other 60G-devices... I was using two Bridgewave-Links which could be aligned with a multimeter - easy process.

The LHG 60G are crazy:

- Without alignment-mode:
It takes 5 minutes! until the signal gets stabilized! RSSI dances up and down within the first 300s. Then, it is getting stable.

- With alignment-mode:
Signal varies A LOT! I wrote a script that averages the RSSIs of the last 10s to be able to see anyhing...

- After every restart of the link, it shows another RSSI...

I am using the precision-bracket, which is expensive but GREAT, but as the signal is not stable, its hard to find the right position...
 
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Re: LHG 60G experience

Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:25 pm

Yup also using the latest beta. On two separate links of +-1800m and 2000m cannot even make a single link. Using 64800 and 66000. You would think after aiming for a while there would at least be a connection - a bad one at least.
please check if scan-list on "station-bridge" device includes frequencies you are trying to use. Alignment needs to be very precise for connection to be established.

- With alignment-mode:
Signal varies A LOT! I wrote a script that averages the RSSIs of the last 10s to be able to see anyhing...
Upcoming Beta version (will be released today or tomorrow) will include rolling avg of RSSI value - "10s-average-rssi"
 
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Re: LHG 60G experience

Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:44 pm

Upcoming Beta version (will be released today or tomorrow) will include rolling avg of RSSI value - "10s-average-rssi"
and relased :)
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Re: LHG 60G experience

Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:34 pm

Already updated :)
 
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Re: LHG 60G experience

Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:11 pm

Hi!

Can you tell me, what kind of grounding you are using with the LHG60?

Option 1:
Use shielded patch-cable and a surge-protector like the UBNT ETH-SP-G2 to ground the patch-cord.

Option 2:
Add second cable to the antenna with grounding-cable

Option 3:
Option 1+2

Thank you for your hint!
 
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Re: LHG 60G experience

Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:15 pm

Wherever I can I use second grounding cable in combination with Schrack outdoor s/ftp cable. Anyhow, for me grounding is a must - regardless what many others are telling.
 
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Re: LHG 60G experience

Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:51 am

Wherever I can I use second grounding cable in combination with Schrack outdoor s/ftp cable. Anyhow, for me grounding is a must - regardless what many others are telling.
+1
Earthing is mandatory
and ethernet protector !!!
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Re: LHG 60G experience

Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:23 am

Hi!

Do you see ANY updates on RSSI, when the link is running?
I had much fluctuation within the first 5 minutes, but then, I do not see ANY change - no matter if it's dry or wet.
 
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Re: LHG 60G experience

Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:02 pm

what are the experiences ?
with the new 6.44RC40 version
 
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Re: LHG 60G experience

Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:57 am

Got out link working on 66ghz at 1892.47m. Getting a mcs of 8 and 2.3Ghz. It can still be aligned quite a bit better - we will try on a less windy day.

interface w60g monitor wlan60-1
connected: yes
frequency: 66000
remote-address: 30:07:4D:43:06:E5
tx-mcs: 8
tx-phy-rate: 2.3Gbps
signal: 50
rssi: -68
tx-sector: 16
tx-sector-info: left 1.4 degrees, down 0.6 degrees
distance: 1892.47m
tx-packet-error-rate: 0%
 
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Re: LHG 60G experience

Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:54 am

Does anyone have some experience in the use of LHG 60G with wAP 60G AP ?
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Re: LHG 60G experience

Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:55 am

Does anyone have some experience in the use of LHG 60G with wAP 60G AP ?
@ Distance XXX????
 
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Re: LHG 60G experience

Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:17 am

Does anyone have some experience in the use of LHG 60G with wAP 60G AP ?
@ Distance XXX????
Yes. I suppose there will be less gain, perhaps 6dB less, so I could suppose a reduction of 50% in distance, 1500m-> 750m. In 750m there is also less fading, so I could suppose that a link from wAP 60G and one or more LHG 60Gs over 500-800m could work at least the same than a 1500m link composed by two LHG 60Gs. Is it right?
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Re: LHG 60G experience

Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:43 am

Does anyone have some experience in the use of LHG 60G with wAP 60G AP ?
@ Distance XXX????
Yes. I suppose there will be less gain, perhaps 6dB less, so I could suppose a reduction of 50% in distance, 1500m-> 750m. In 750m there is also less fading, so I could suppose that a link from wAP 60G and one or more LHG 60Gs over 500-800m could work at least the same than a 1500m link composed by two LHG 60Gs. Is it right?
Depends on needs for Link,

with WAP to WAP wo go to 100m
With WAP to LHG we go to 300m
With LHG to LHG we go to 600m
all this cases without Backup link, we saw no drops in rain with this distances, waiting for some snow.....
 
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Re: LHG 60G experience

Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:03 pm

Does anyone have some experience in the use of LHG 60G with wAP 60G AP ?
@ Distance XXX????
Yes. I suppose there will be less gain, perhaps 6dB less, so I could suppose a reduction of 50% in distance, 1500m-> 750m. In 750m there is also less fading, so I could suppose that a link from wAP 60G and one or more LHG 60Gs over 500-800m could work at least the same than a 1500m link composed by two LHG 60Gs. Is it right?
Depends on needs for Link,

with WAP to WAP wo go to 100m
With WAP to LHG we go to 300m
With LHG to LHG we go to 600m
all this cases without Backup link, we saw no drops in rain with this distances, waiting for some snow.....
So, you divided distances by two? Why? Did you experienced a completely down link during rain over nominal distances (ex 200m wap to wap)? Or did you experienced only a reduction in Throughput? And what about wap to SXTsq lite 60?
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Re: LHG 60G experience

Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:56 pm

Does anyone have some experience in the use of LHG 60G with wAP 60G AP ?
@ Distance XXX????
Yes. I suppose there will be less gain, perhaps 6dB less, so I could suppose a reduction of 50% in distance, 1500m-> 750m. In 750m there is also less fading, so I could suppose that a link from wAP 60G and one or more LHG 60Gs over 500-800m could work at least the same than a 1500m link composed by two LHG 60Gs. Is it right?
Depends on needs for Link,

with WAP to WAP wo go to 100m
With WAP to LHG we go to 300m
With LHG to LHG we go to 600m
all this cases without Backup link, we saw no drops in rain with this distances, waiting for some snow.....
So, you divided distances by two? Why? Did you experienced a completely down link during rain over nominal distances (ex 200m wap to wap)? Or did you experienced only a reduction in Throughput? And what about wap to SXTsq lite 60?
I have SXTsq 60 here but not deployed, gain difference to WAP60 is unknown.

WAP with 150m we see downtime in hard Rain, also with LHG at 800m
 
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Re: LHG 60G experience

Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:13 am

Friends, I ask for advice.
It is necessary to make a link to 250m. Traffic is assumed not much, up to 100 Mbps. What is better to deliver, LHG-LHG, or LHG-WAP
It is required in 60G, because. 5GHz is very noisy.
 
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Re: LHG 60G experience

Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:38 am

LHG ist 50€ more, and for this your link would be near 99% available......
 
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Re: LHG 60G experience

Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:08 am

The price in this case is not very important, because the difference is not big. I understand that if you put two directional antenna LHG, then accessibility will have to be 99.9999%
But what will be the availability if you put two WAP or WAP-LHG
 
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Re: LHG 60G experience

Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:52 am

The price in this case is not very important, because the difference is not big. I understand that if you put two directional antenna LHG, then accessibility will have to be 99.9999%
But what will be the availability if you put two WAP or WAP-LHG
WAP to WAP will drop every rain /snow
WAP to LHG will drop on heavy rain
 
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Re: LHG 60G experience

Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:11 am

LHG 60 real 4000+ m ? how ?
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Re: LHG 60G experience

Mon Dec 24, 2018 7:36 am

66000 GHz is working on 4000+. Tested in real life...
 
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Re: LHG 60G experience

Mon Dec 24, 2018 8:57 am

66000 GHz is working on 4000+. Tested in real life...
Shure it will work, but it drop every rain
 
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Re: LHG 60G experience

Mon Dec 24, 2018 9:06 am

66000 GHz is working on 4000+. Tested in real life...
Shure it will work, but it drop every rain
We have seen snow is a killer for 60GHz. Even light snow fall killed our 1200m link completely.
 
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Re: LHG 60G experience

Mon Dec 24, 2018 11:13 am

[admin@lhg60-ap] > int w6 monitor wlan60-1 
             connected: yes
             frequency: 58320
        remote-address: 24:18:1D:
                tx-mcs: 8
           tx-phy-rate: 2.3Gbps
                signal: 95
                  rssi: -55
             tx-sector: 1
        tx-sector-info: left 1 degrees, down 1.4 degrees
              distance: 1167.48m
  tx-packet-error-rate: 0%
snowing for 2 days
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Re: LHG 60G experience

Mon Dec 24, 2018 11:50 am

66000 GHz is working on 4000+. Tested in real life...
ok. Whats rain? Range for nice day is ok but bad day?

1200m is ok, You have it wrong targeted.
 
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Re: LHG 60G experience

Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:06 pm

For my links, falling snow was not issue at all. Only that sticky snow that got stuck on antenna is causing trouble. And of course that You need 5ghz backup for 60ghz link
 
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Re: LHG 60G experience

Tue Dec 25, 2018 4:27 pm

For my links, falling snow was not issue at all. Only that sticky snow that got stuck on antenna is causing trouble. And of course that You need 5ghz backup for 60ghz link
Please, post printscreen Link LHG 60GHz of real +4000m
 
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Re: LHG 60G experience

Tue Dec 25, 2018 5:42 pm

For my links, falling snow was not issue at all. Only that sticky snow that got stuck on antenna is causing trouble. And of course that You need 5ghz backup for 60ghz link
Please, post printscreen Link LHG 60GHz of real +4000m
Please use search or go to viewtopic.php?f=7&t=133374&sid=47ddbc29 ... 00#p699697

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Re: LHG 60G experience

Tue Dec 25, 2018 11:12 pm

My humbly opinion is that oxygen absorption is an obstacle to build devices with bigger dish. I hope that I am wrong. But there is no obstacle to implement 5ghz backup in same device...
 
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Tue Dec 25, 2018 11:13 pm

For my links, falling snow was not issue at all. Only that sticky snow that got stuck on antenna is causing trouble. And of course that You need 5ghz backup for 60ghz link
Please, post printscreen Link LHG 60GHz of real +4000m
Please use search or go to viewtopic.php?f=7&t=133374&sid=47ddbc29 ... 00#p699697

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Tue Dec 25, 2018 11:20 pm

My humbly opinion is that oxygen absorption is an obstacle to build devices with bigger dish. I hope that I am wrong. But there is no obstacle to implement 5ghz backup in same device...
I've heard that Mikrotik has released the new LHG 60 Ghz R2 review
for range up to 6000m and embedded wifi 5GHZ
 
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Re: LHG 60G experience

Tue Dec 25, 2018 11:29 pm

For my links, falling snow was not issue at all. Only that sticky snow that got stuck on antenna is causing trouble. And of course that You need 5ghz backup for 60ghz link
Please, post printscreen Link LHG 60GHz of real +4000m
Please use search or go to viewtopic.php?f=7&t=133374&sid=47ddbc29 ... 00#p699697

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Re: LHG 60G experience

Tue Dec 25, 2018 11:42 pm

For my links, falling snow was not issue at all. Only that sticky snow that got stuck on antenna is causing trouble. And of course that You need 5ghz backup for 60ghz link
Please, post printscreen Link LHG 60GHz of real +4000m
Please use search or go to viewtopic.php?f=7&t=133374&sid=47ddbc29 ... 00#p699697
e pa da, pricao mije da tebe da ima odlicna iskustva
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Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:24 am



Please, post printscreen Link LHG 60GHz of real +4000m
Please use search or go to viewtopic.php?f=7&t=133374&sid=47ddbc29 ... 00#p699697
e pa da, pricao mije da tebe da ima odlicna iskustva

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Re: LHG 60G experience

Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:04 pm

I've heard that Mikrotik has released the new LHG 60 Ghz R2 review
for range up to 6000m and embedded wifi 5GHZ
autostoper76 ?????
 
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Please, post printscreen Link LHG 60GHz of real +4000m
Please use search or go to viewtopic.php?f=7&t=133374&sid=47ddbc29 ... 00#p699697
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