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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:24 pm

Hi all,
I performed a test on anoter ptp link (1km) using two SXTsq 5 ac. Ther's no way to use NV2, the link drops every 5 minutes. Only 802.11 seems to work.
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:57 pm

Hi all,


No Answer from MT in the last 2 weeks,
we have no hope for next RC´s, problem is known for 8 Month now, and only ARM based AC devices available.

we have to build some new Sectors, looks like we have no another solution as use UBNT or Mimosa.
We don´t won´t to stick at a/n.

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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Fri Aug 24, 2018 12:37 pm

Any update?
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Fri Aug 24, 2018 3:29 pm

I hope Mikrotik works to improve ...
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Sat Aug 25, 2018 5:37 am

Hi all,
I performed a test on anoter ptp link (1km) using two SXTsq 5 ac. Ther's no way to use NV2, the link drops every 5 minutes. Only 802.11 seems to work.
Hi wispman74,
How many Mbps could you get for PTP link (1km) with 802.11 protocol?

Ping latency between SXTsq 5 ac devices?

Thanks!
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Sat Aug 25, 2018 11:03 am

Hi all,
I performed a test on anoter ptp link (1km) using two SXTsq 5 ac. Ther's no way to use NV2, the link drops every 5 minutes. Only 802.11 seems to work.
Hi wispman74,
How many Mbps could you get for PTP link (1km) with 802.11 protocol?

Ping latency between SXTsq 5 ac devices?

Thanks!
depends on noise and EIRP, if you are in noise area, don't buy Mikrotik go with something shielded and with GPS sync...
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Sat Aug 25, 2018 11:05 am

For the other Questions.......
- wait for ARM fix
- wait for spectral scan
- wait for ROS 7

or change Brand......
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Sun Aug 26, 2018 12:27 am

Hi binh,
sorry, but unfortunately there is another issue on my bridge. For some reason I can't perform bandwidth test, ping or access winbox from the wifi side. I noticed that service ports, in Firewall menu are all red. I hope it is not a RouterOS bug, but a wrong configuration. At the moment I can't figure out what is wrong.
Any suggestion is appreciate.
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:04 am

@mistry7: thanks for your advisory and information.

@wispman74: I think you got the problem with configuration. Lockup MikroTik wiki for how to configure PTP with MikroTik devices.
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Mon Aug 27, 2018 1:10 pm

For the other Questions.......
- wait for ARM fix
- wait for spectral scan
- wait for ROS 7

or change Brand......
We pationally wait! :-), but as with everything one can not wait forever, currently we have very few customers affected, maybe 2-3.
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Mon Sep 03, 2018 1:49 pm

Any update?
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:43 pm

@mistry7: thanks for your advisory and information.

@wispman74: I think you got the problem with configuration. Lockup MikroTik wiki for how to configure PTP with MikroTik devices.
Hi binh,
thankyou for your advice, but this is not the first ptp I configured (tens before now), but is the third using ARM devices and I foud a lot of problems not only regarding nv2 and wifi connection.
I had to replace my ptp with another using MIPSE devices and everything gone well as always before.
Now I tested again the ARM ptp to understand why with the same configuration I have bad behaviour.
What happen is that sometimes, after finished to configure the devices, it becomes invisible from winbox. The reason is that RouterOS change itself the default value of neighbor discovery-settings.
Also, I was not able to reach master from slave and viceversa and I couldn't start a bandwidth test without any apparent reason.
After reset configuration and did it again, everything start to work fine.
I like Mikrotik, but is really unbeliveable to see so much issues in new ARM devices. Is it possible Mikrotik didn't see them during their tests?
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:28 pm

@mistry7: thanks for your advisory and information.

@wispman74: I think you got the problem with configuration. Lockup MikroTik wiki for how to configure PTP with MikroTik devices.
Hi binh,
thankyou for your advice, but this is not the first ptp I configured (tens before now), but is the third using ARM devices and I foud a lot of problems not only regarding nv2 and wifi connection.
I had to replace my ptp with another using MIPSE devices and everything gone well as always before.
Now I tested again the ARM ptp to understand why with the same configuration I have bad behaviour.
What happen is that sometimes, after finished to configure the devices, it becomes invisible from winbox. The reason is that RouterOS change itself the default value of neighbor discovery-settings.
Also, I was not able to reach master from slave and viceversa and I couldn't start a bandwidth test without any apparent reason.
After reset configuration and did it again, everything start to work fine.
I like Mikrotik, but is really unbeliveable to see so much issues in new ARM devices. Is it possible Mikrotik didn't see them during their tests?
WISP hardware is not longer Focus for Mikrotik, look at Switches / Routers they release in the past 6 Month....... Hap Ac2 without POE out, SXTsq, LHG and all new
AC devices are build on Low Cost Platform, all with the same chipset, not features are the skill, only price.....
look at "KidControl" etc, these are thinks important for MT but not working P2P in noisy places and P2MP with much Clients....
And now really new, CWDM Hardware
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Wed Sep 05, 2018 12:50 pm

@Normis

I need an answer: NV2 arm devices 'll work with NV2? If yes when?

If no we 'll have new AC hardware full compatible with NV2? If yes when?

We have 6000 CPE with 200 AP all mikrotik based switch to a new vendor is a big problem.

I hope to have soon an answer I have to decide how to build new towers.

Thank You in advance Giuseppe
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:27 am

this discussion will be the same as the one about Spectral Scan

A never ending story


we do not like ubiquiti but we change, because Mikrotik does not give any information about the further development. the next standard is coming up and the previous one is supported only rudimentarily. All my competitors have Spectral Scan, GPS Sync, working TDMA, to stay competitive we need that too, MT has none of that!

a Mimosa C5C in PTP mode, 40 MHz channel, modulation @ 400MBit over 5.5km with 27dBi Dishes from RF elements with max EIRP of 36 dBm, means about 280-290 MBit real TCP (iperf and 2 Laptops), for a short test we swapped the C5Cs against MT (RBM11 G + R11e-5HacD + shielded twist port adaptor) same channel same 40 MHz, same 36dBm, modulation varies between 324 and 400, with Iperf was only 170-180 MBit possible, with Nv2 even less.

Mikrotik has lost there competitors and is standing alone in the dark, and I believe more and more that it is there new Business case, go away from wisp wireless, but they don’t say it, they just go with low cost devices for costumers who don’t need speeds above 100MBIT, for selling 5 or 10 MBit plans, you don’t need any innovation......
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:20 am

Wisp with around 1000 clients here.

We are planning to installa new tower with 6 Netmetal on 2 triple pannels to migrate around 100 CPEs, using new Disc Lite AC (drm), and after reading all the problems posted here, we are really thinking it over.
It's a very noisy scenario and we really need NV2 to get it working.
Last routeros version 6.43rc66 (2018-Aug-28 13:36) says this:
*) wireless - improved Nv2 reliability on ARM devices
Is this statement real? Can we trust that Mikrotik will fix this really BIG problem? Or should we return the allready aquired Mikrotik equipment and switch to another vendor?

Thanks in advance and excuse my poor english.
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:46 pm

can't really believe NV2 is the best choice in noisy area...
Every time i have interference issues and degraded thruput - its much better after switching to nstreme...
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Fri Sep 07, 2018 6:59 pm

Wisp with around 1000 clients here.

We are planning to installa new tower with 6 Netmetal on 2 triple pannels to migrate around 100 CPEs, using new Disc Lite AC (drm), and after reading all the problems posted here, we are really thinking it over.
It's a very noisy scenario and we really need NV2 to get it working.
Last routeros version 6.43rc66 (2018-Aug-28 13:36) says this:
*) wireless - improved Nv2 reliability on ARM devices
Is this statement real? Can we trust that Mikrotik will fix this really BIG problem? Or should we return the allready aquired Mikrotik equipment and switch to another vendor?

Thanks in advance and excuse my poor english.
nv2 and nstreme are not working with ARM based Devices
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Sat Sep 08, 2018 1:01 pm

@Normis

hundreds of WISP are in trouble cause of Mikrotik new devices and no answer comes from you. We would all appreciate a few words of explanation, because to be silent means to admit the existence of big problems that can not be solved, it means to say to everyone "Mikrotik is not the right product for you, change brand!". This is really frustrating for those who have invested and believed in Mikrotik for years and it is unthinkable that you want to give up the WISP market. Please let us know what's going on and what should we expect. Thank you
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Sat Sep 08, 2018 1:46 pm

@wispman74

Don´t expect any answer, with the last "tries" to fix the issue we see that it is not an easy one.
That happened if you go with Low end chipsets.

I´m wondering the RB4011 hast QCA-9984 as Chipset, and not another IPQ Variant.
Hopefully we see support for QCA 9888 too, so we are able to use M11G with Wave2
Modules and if we are lucky with working nv2 Support.


Ruckus hast first AP with IPQ8074 (Enterprise 802.11ax)
When will Mikrotik start with 802.11ax?
In 2 Years, with old Kernel and bad driver support?
Or was 802.11ac Mikrotiks Windows Vista, and there is some moving forward with

- Newest Linux kernel
- Driver near ATh10k (speed, compatibility, chipset support)
- Channel width 5 / 10 / 30/ 60Mhz
- TDMA Protocol (maybe NV3)
- GPS Sync
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Sat Sep 08, 2018 2:29 pm

There is a very welcome answer from Mikrotik. Can you comment the "ARM and NV2" situation?
@Normis - Or do you have a ban on answering this topic?
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Sat Sep 08, 2018 7:15 pm

Hi, we are hope for this solution... tested in a LHG 5ac with version 6.43rc66 is better with nstreme than NV2...

Come on MT guys, you are the best!

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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:36 am

The 5 Ghz outdoor wireless market is too big to lose it.. There are thousand of WISP using MT worldwide we have 200 MT routers and 6000 MT CPE the difference beetween the 2 markets is huge.

@Normis please an answer give us info to continue our business also if the news are bad and we have to move to other vendors for wireless.

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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Sun Sep 09, 2018 10:49 pm

I think we are waiting for a solution for a really long time now. We started to change PtP link for ubnt as soon as 400iso came out. It works so much better than anything from mikrotik. Last week we changed some 911+jrc24dBi for iso400 and few lhg5 for litebeams and in the same channel throughput went up 4 times. Only think that keeps us with mikrotik are clients. It is hard to migrate everything. But i think thats only a matter of time when we do that...
 
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Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:11 pm

The 5 Ghz outdoor wireless market is too big to lose it.. There are thousand of WISP using MT worldwide we have 200 MT routers and 6000 MT CPE the difference beetween the 2 markets is huge.

@Normis please an answer give us info to continue our business also if the news are bad and we have to move to other vendors for wireless.

Thank You
If you sell 5/10/15MBit plans, you should stay with MT we sell 50/100/200MBit plans, and this is impossible with MT
We are Surprised, 802.11ad clients with fast Ethernet, there are some engineers sleeping at work.....
They better thinking about combined 5Ghz/60 GHz Devices with GE and SFP, but this they want to sell at 2020 as big new solution ....
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Mon Sep 10, 2018 1:14 pm

Nowdays a truck-roll, or 1-2hour of manwork more expensive than those device.
So i think most of us happily pay a few percent more, if the capacitor's lifetime much longer, and the chip is working well with software.

Please don't save few bucks in these! :-)
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:27 pm

6.43 Works only for TDMA period size 1ms. Try 3-5ms = disaster. Hardware driver/chipset/clock problem.
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:26 am

We have a LHG 5ac(Level4) like backbone concentrator of 4 others towers with LHG 5XL, Sextant-G, SXTsq, SXTsq... all are in a sector of 10° and the most longest link is at only 7km... all in band 5Ghz-only-N

We tested NV2 in TDMA 1ms, 2ms, 3ms, 4ms, auto, dynamic-downlink, fixed-downlink, etc etc and nothing was better then Nstreme...

Now the max troughput total is 80Mbps of uplink to theses others towers, before with a Sextant-G(Level4) in NV2 in the place of the LHG 5ac the traffic was 120-150Mbps...

Tomorrow i go up to the top of the tower to change back to the old Sextant-G... hoping NV2 and 802.11ac work fine in a near future
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:56 am

Now the max troughput total is 80Mbps of uplink to theses others towers, before with a Sextant-G(Level4) in NV2 in the place of the LHG 5ac the traffic was 120-150Mbps...

Tomorrow i go up to the top of the tower to change back to the old Sextant-G... hoping NV2 and 802.11ac work fine in a near future
NV2 Never Performs good in ac, and there are no Informations why, all our old 802.11n
P2P links are performing better with old Hardware, until we began to use another Vendor too.

With Mimosa and UBnT we are seeing speed increases about 3-4 times
with same Channel / Width / Interferrence.
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:31 am

Now the max troughput total is 80Mbps of uplink to theses others towers, before with a Sextant-G(Level4) in NV2 in the place of the LHG 5ac the traffic was 120-150Mbps...

Tomorrow i go up to the top of the tower to change back to the old Sextant-G... hoping NV2 and 802.11ac work fine in a near future
NV2 Never Performs good in ac, and there are no Informations why, all our old 802.11n
P2P links are performing better with old Hardware, until we began to use another Vendor too.

With Mimosa and UBnT we are seeing speed increases about 3-4 times
with same Channel / Width / Interferrence.
Hi mistry7,
what does you mean exactly when you say 3-4 times? I understand you compared mikrotik with ubiquiti/mimosa with same frequency/width/interference. What about TX power, antenna gain, MIMO type, test in udp or tcp?
If everything is the same for two vendors and you are working using 802.11n, to reach 4 times mikrotik speed, means you have 75Mbps with Mikrotik and 300Mbps with other vendors.
Is that correct?
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:52 pm

My experience says that with Ubiquiti AF in PtP we have from 2 to 4 times speed, in PtMP with the recent improvments mikrotik in NV2@20Mhz is from 10% to 20% slower than Ubiquiti but still acceptable. @40Mhz Miktotik ac hardware don't work well.

But the main problem is that new arm devices don't work with NV2 and we come back to N mipsbe
 
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Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:52 pm

Now the max troughput total is 80Mbps of uplink to theses others towers, before with a Sextant-G(Level4) in NV2 in the place of the LHG 5ac the traffic was 120-150Mbps...

Tomorrow i go up to the top of the tower to change back to the old Sextant-G... hoping NV2 and 802.11ac work fine in a near future
NV2 Never Performs good in ac, and there are no Informations why, all our old 802.11n
P2P links are performing better with old Hardware, until we began to use another Vendor too.

With Mimosa and UBnT we are seeing speed increases about 3-4 times
with same Channel / Width / Interferrence.
Hi mistry7,
what does you mean exactly when you say 3-4 times? I understand you compared mikrotik with ubiquiti/mimosa with same frequency/width/interference. What about TX power, antenna gain, MIMO type, test in udp or tcp?
If everything is the same for two vendors and you are working using 802.11n, to reach 4 times mikrotik speed, means you have 75Mbps with Mikrotik and 300Mbps with other vendors.
Is that correct?
We are working in very noisy inmoriment, and with https://mimosa.co/products/a5c and GPS sync we see 3-4times Bandwidth.
With MT often 50Mbit are impossible.

Here:
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=136002&start=100#p684307
Mimosa C5C in PTP mode, 40 MHz channel, modulation @ 400MBit over 5.5km with 27dBi Dishes from RF elements with max EIRP of 36 dBm, means about 280-290 MBit real TCP (iperf and 2 Laptops), for a short test we swapped the C5Cs against MT (RBM11 G + R11e-5HacD + shielded twist port adaptor) same channel same 40 MHz, same 36dBm, modulation varies between 324 and 400, with Iperf was only 170-180 MBit possible, with Nv2 even less.
170-180 Mbit wit 802.11 does not help really, because of Ping jitter, so it is impossible to deliver good voip services.
We need a working TDMA solution, and with nv2 in such test you reach 100-120Mbit, mimosa ist 3 times higher, with a 95€ Radio....
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:34 pm

Mistry7, I have no experience on ubiquiti or mimosa, but it seems you are comparing not similar architecture. Even if you have all the same parameters in mimosa and mikrotik, C5C is a 4x4 MIMO, R11e is 2x2. It is normal you have a double bandwidth as in post
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=136002&start=100#p684307
Also if you hace GPS sync it is normal you get better results in noisy environment. You should compare a mimosa product with all the same features.
So, we can discuss Mikrotik lacks some features (4x4 MIMO or GPS Sync), NV2 is not really a stable protocol, or Mikrotik works well in clean environment, but brobably with the same architecture, feature and protocol, maybe the results are not so far each other.
I think is important to be clear talking about different vendors because some of us make their decition based on other opinion.
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Tue Sep 11, 2018 5:37 pm

Someone tested in NV2 how is working the RBDynaDishG-5HacDr3 which is 802.11ac but has MIPSBE? :?
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:08 pm

Mistry7, I have no experience on ubiquiti or mimosa, but it seems you are comparing not similar architecture. Even if you have all the same parameters in mimosa and mikrotik, C5C is a 4x4 MIMO, R11e is 2x2. It is normal you have a double bandwidth as in post
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=136002&start=100#p684307
Also if you hace GPS sync it is normal you get better results in noisy environment. You should compare a mimosa product with all the same features.
So, we can discuss Mikrotik lacks some features (4x4 MIMO or GPS Sync), NV2 is not really a stable protocol, or Mikrotik works well in clean environment, but brobably with the same architecture, feature and protocol, maybe the results are not so far each other.
I think is important to be clear talking about different vendors because some of us make their decition based on other opinion.
C5C is normal 2x2 SMA Radio, not more then NetMetal etc....
C5C has not gps
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:10 pm

Mistry7, I have no experience on ubiquiti or mimosa, but it seems you are comparing not similar architecture. Even if you have all the same parameters in mimosa and mikrotik, C5C is a 4x4 MIMO, R11e is 2x2. It is normal you have a double bandwidth as in post
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=136002&start=100#p684307
Also if you hace GPS sync it is normal you get better results in noisy environment. You should compare a mimosa product with all the same features.
So, we can discuss Mikrotik lacks some features (4x4 MIMO or GPS Sync), NV2 is not really a stable protocol, or Mikrotik works well in clean environment, but brobably with the same architecture, feature and protocol, maybe the results are not so far each other.
I think is important to be clear talking about different vendors because some of us make their decition based on other opinion.
C5C is normal 2x2 SMA Radio, not more then NetMetal etc....
C5C has not gps
In noise environment Mimosa is a shit! only work fantastic in the best conditions...
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:12 pm

Mistry7, I have no experience on ubiquiti or mimosa, but it seems you are comparing not similar architecture. Even if you have all the same parameters in mimosa and mikrotik, C5C is a 4x4 MIMO, R11e is 2x2. It is normal you have a double bandwidth as in post
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=136002&start=100#p684307
Also if you hace GPS sync it is normal you get better results in noisy environment. You should compare a mimosa product with all the same features.
So, we can discuss Mikrotik lacks some features (4x4 MIMO or GPS Sync), NV2 is not really a stable protocol, or Mikrotik works well in clean environment, but brobably with the same architecture, feature and protocol, maybe the results are not so far each other.
I think is important to be clear talking about different vendors because some of us make their decition based on other opinion.
C5C is normal 2x2 SMA Radio, not more then NetMetal etc....
C5C has not gps
OK, sorry but I follow your link of A5C
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:15 pm

Mistry7, I have no experience on ubiquiti or mimosa, but it seems you are comparing not similar architecture. Even if you have all the same parameters in mimosa and mikrotik, C5C is a 4x4 MIMO, R11e is 2x2. It is normal you have a double bandwidth as in post
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=136002&start=100#p684307
Also if you hace GPS sync it is normal you get better results in noisy environment. You should compare a mimosa product with all the same features.
So, we can discuss Mikrotik lacks some features (4x4 MIMO or GPS Sync), NV2 is not really a stable protocol, or Mikrotik works well in clean environment, but brobably with the same architecture, feature and protocol, maybe the results are not so far each other.
I think is important to be clear talking about different vendors because some of us make their decition based on other opinion.
C5C is normal 2x2 SMA Radio, not more then NetMetal etc....
C5C has not gps
In noise environment Mimosa is a shit! only work fantastic in the best conditions...
We don’t have fantastic conditions, on no place, 5 GHz is disturbt all
over the hole band, no place where we don’t see 15-20 ssids

We use maximum on antenna technology, we have small EIRP here in Germany 30/36 dBm,
And for us mimosa works great, but killer is AF-5xHD, but it is an another class of Radio.
 
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We don’t have fantastic conditions, on no place, 5 GHz is disturbt all
over the hole band, no place where we don’t see 15-20 ssids
Off topic: this is not disturb - We have in Czech Republic more than 60 ssid on P2P link.
More then 100 SSID on 30degree horn antenna. In small city.
We have small EIRP here in Germany 30/36 dBm,
We have only 27-30dBm
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We don’t have fantastic conditions, on no place, 5 GHz is disturbt all
over the hole band, no place where we don’t see 15-20 ssids
Off topic: this is not disturb - We have in Czech Republic more than 60 ssid on P2P link.
More then 100 SSID on 30degree horn antenna. In small city.


Here A5C really works great...


We have small EIRP here in Germany 30/36 dBm,
We have only 27-30dBm
But when you see all SSId with -60? Ubnt and Co are often used here form cameras etc, every IT company use them, and WISPs searching the Gaps...
My City Airfiber Show hole Band as red
 
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For profesional cameras we use other band than 5Ghz. In CZ is problem with a lot of WISPs in cities... A lot of SSID, a lot of interference....
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Sat Sep 15, 2018 10:51 am

Hello Folks!

I see a lot of discussions in this thread now.

Has microtic corrected their routers now so older devices work with wireless again, so called arm devices, e.g. mipsbe devices like rb411, sxt, sextant etc. ?

We have very many such still in production ptmp 5GHz band using no higher than 6.41.3, if we upgrade beyond that version the wifi fully fails and the device need a full netinstall recover to 6.41.3 again to become usable.
 
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I am having this same issue with a PTP link with two of the new SXT ac square units. We have simple bridge to station bridge setup with wlan and eth bridged together.

No traffic would pass through link on NV2. When I upgraded to 6.43 suddenly the link began to pass traffic through and work, but now my Cisco 3750g switch keeps receiving it's keepalive packet on the same port it sends it out on thus putting the port into err-disabled mode. This only happens when the SXT set to "station-bridge" connects to the SXT set to "bridge".

So it seems for whatever reason the bridge unit is looping traffic back to the CPE device (or should I say the other end of the PTP bridge.

Setup as follows:

Cisco 3750g 1 <-> RBSXTsq5HPnD-US ("station-bridge") <-> RBSXTsq5HPnD-US ("bridge") <-> Cisco 3750g 2

Cisco 3750g 1 shuts down the port that the RBSXTsq5HPnD-US is connected to because it receives the same keepalive packet (Sent from Cisco 3750g 1) that it sent out on the same port connected to the same RBSXTsq5HPnD-US. Clear as mud?
 
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Someone tested in NV2 how is working the RBDynaDishG-5HacDr3 which is 802.11ac but has MIPSBE? :?
Has anyone tested the newer RouterOS with these higher versions? Does NV2 link work normal?

Also, I find it odd that nstream would work and NV2 would not given that NV2 is short for "nstream version 2"
 
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Someone tested in NV2 how is working the RBDynaDishG-5HacDr3 which is 802.11ac but has MIPSBE? :?
Has anyone tested the newer RouterOS with these higher versions? Does NV2 link work normal?

Also, I find it odd that nstream would work and NV2 would not given that NV2 is short for "nstream version 2"
This is not strange. Nstreme (v1) do the things via board CPU, while NV2 do that on the wireless card.
Compare the CPU usage when set to nstreme and nv2! You will find, that using nstreme will consume 20-30% cpu even with low network load.

Also, mixing nv2 and nstreme in the same board (on different cards) is not a good way. They would interfere somehow even if the used freq very far from each other.
 
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Someone tested in NV2 how is working the RBDynaDishG-5HacDr3 which is 802.11ac but has MIPSBE? :?
Has anyone tested the newer RouterOS with these higher versions? Does NV2 link work normal?

Also, I find it odd that nstream would work and NV2 would not given that NV2 is short for "nstream version 2"
This is not strange. Nstreme (v1) do the things via board CPU, while NV2 do that on the wireless card.
Compare the CPU usage when set to nstreme and nv2! You will find, that using nstreme will consume 20-30% cpu even with low network load.

Also, mixing nv2 and nstreme in the same board (on different cards) is not a good way. They would interfere somehow even if the used freq very far from each other.

So nstream is using arm archtecture while nv2 is using wireless chip directly, awesome insight! Going back to the original issue, though, that is the core issue of nv2 and arm not working correctly. There obviously seems to be a issue with bridging or routing going on as we keep receiving random sent packages from our AP that we sent to it.

It almost seems like:

Broadcast message is created -> "CPE PTP bridge radio" receives packet in bridge (via eth1), sends out message on all bridge ports except port where message originated, aka wlan1 -> The "bridge PTP radio" receives the packet on its bridge interface wlan1 and should then send out the packet on all interface except the port where the message originated, aka eth1*


* = This seems to be the point where the "bridge PTP radio" will send the keepalive packets generated by the cisco switch back to the radio that sent it which in turn broadcast's the message back ot the port putting it into err-disabled mode and losing all connectivity between sites.

This seems to be a major issue with ARM based boards only. WE ALL NEED TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON HERE? CAN WE GET AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF THE ISSUE, @ULDIS, @EMILS, @NORMIS?

Given the latest upgrade fixed some of my issues without any config change it sounds like some major changes are being made to arm based boards with wireless cards in them. Our company wants to buy a TON of the next ARM-based SXT's but we can not move forward until we know if this is a known issue being worked out or a configuration issue.
 
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I am trying to hook my cell up to my laptop so i can get GPS on Network Stumbler and dont know how to go about doing this?
And what is the relationship to the topic?
 
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I am trying to hook my cell up to my laptop so i can get GPS on Network Stumbler and dont know how to go about doing this?
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Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:39 pm

Can someone with some sort of authority acknowledge this? I may have missed it but this is a big deal. Is this a known issue or am I crazy???

Traffic is being looped back for some reason - this can cause MAJOR network issues and will create an incredibly unstable network.

What do you recommend your clients do with ARM based boards for stable PTP communication? Use 802.11 for now? Any suggestions are welcome and anything I can do to help I will gladly do.
 
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Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:47 pm

I can confirm the issue. We have had major throughput issues, so we replicated it in lab environment.

LHG 5 ac XL (bridge) -- LHG 5 AC (station bridge)
only chain 0 (we don't have enough free space for polarization to form, so used single chain to reduce other effects)
Throughpus is dead-straight at 78Mbit up + 78Mbit down, CCQ at 100%. That is exactly half of what it should be taking into account protocol overhead and conforms with the forth-and-back routing issue.

We also tried to downgrade to 6.40.3, but now the XL is rebooted with kernel panic if any wireless interface setting is changed. So there are major problems with ARM port of the latest stable.

We can not switch back to MIPSBE LHG 5 utilizing N standard as we are facing competition throughputing 400+Mbit.

With test runs with RB922-RB922 before switching to ARM we achieved 400+Mbit/s in distance of 60km. Now we are sitting at 20-80Mbit with very high jitter.

So yes, ARM devices miss NV2 slots and yes, ARM devices route traffic back after receiving reducing available timeslots.
 
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We can not switch back to MIPSBE LHG 5 utilizing N standard as we are facing competition throughputing 400+Mbit.

With test runs with RB922-RB922 before switching to ARM we achieved 400+Mbit/s in distance of 60km. Now we are sitting at 20-80Mbit with very high jitter.

So yes, ARM devices miss NV2 slots and yes, ARM devices route traffic back after receiving reducing available timeslots.

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Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:21 pm

Hello Everybody,

To confirm, is this issue also a problem with wireless 'ARM' based Mikrotik devices operating in Station' mode too?

EG: Do you still have the same issues with Mikrotik MIPSBE devices operating in 'AP Bridge' (Access Point) mode and the ARM devices operating in 'Station' (Client) mode?

Thanks!
 
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Hello Everybody,

To confirm, is this issue also a problem with wireless 'ARM' based Mikrotik devices operating in Station' mode too?

EG: Do you still have the same issues with Mikrotik MIPSBE devices operating in 'AP Bridge' (Access Point) mode and the ARM devices operating in 'Station' (Client) mode?

Thanks!
We have not tried this setup, yet. We are only trying to bridge two Cisco switches on the same LAN.

We tried bridge to station in our setup and received the same results but we have all SXTsq's which I do not believe come with the license level for being an PtMP AP aka 'AP Bridge'
 
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Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:46 pm

The exact same configuration is now working on the legacy SXTac and no issues whatsoever. What is going on here, product released to market before full testing complete????!!!!!??????

PLEASE FIX THIS MIKROTIK!!!!!!!

Either fix this or pull the product from the market - it does not work! I have done business with you guys for over 10 years and this is not how you guys operate! You are better than this. Please acknowledge or prove me wrong as this has been a hot topic in wireless for over two weeks now!



MIKROTIK ARM BASED BOARDS DO NOT WORK WITH NV2 WHEN CREATING A SIMPLE BRIDGE.
 
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The same problem. We need solution from @mikrotik
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The exact same configuration is now working on the legacy SXTac and no issues whatsoever. What is going on here, product released to market before full testing complete????!!!!!??????

PLEASE FIX THIS MIKROTIK!!!!!!!

Either fix this or pull the product from the market - it does not work! I have done business with you guys for over 10 years and this is not how you guys operate! You are better than this. Please acknowledge or prove me wrong as this has been a hot topic in wireless for over two weeks now!



MIKROTIK ARM BASED BOARDS DO NOT WORK WITH NV2 WHEN CREATING A SIMPLE BRIDGE.
No need for complaining, Mikrotik only offers low cost ARM line for 5 GHz, this is the same shit like the one with Spectral Scan in AC Hardware, change brand, more and more doing this step, we don’t see any future in Mikrotik Outdoor Wireless!
 
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The exact same configuration is now working on the legacy SXTac and no issues whatsoever. What is going on here, product released to market before full testing complete????!!!!!??????

PLEASE FIX THIS MIKROTIK!!!!!!!

Either fix this or pull the product from the market - it does not work! I have done business with you guys for over 10 years and this is not how you guys operate! You are better than this. Please acknowledge or prove me wrong as this has been a hot topic in wireless for over two weeks now!



MIKROTIK ARM BASED BOARDS DO NOT WORK WITH NV2 WHEN CREATING A SIMPLE BRIDGE.
No need for complaining, Mikrotik only offers low cost ARM line for 5 GHz, this is the same shit like the one with Spectral Scan in AC Hardware, change brand, more and more doing this step, we don’t see any future in Mikrotik Outdoor Wireless!

I always say this and still stick to it: Mikrotik devices are only as good as the programmer who is behind it. There are no other devices out there on the market that compare to the strengths and versatility of RouterOS. This is just one issue of many they are working on. We have a network with over 1,000 Mikrotik devices and the SXT's is one of their crowning achievements. That is why the bar was set so high for these new ones.

With that said - I would never swap to a Cambium, Ubiquiti, or any other competitor in this arena because they are not secure and you do not have low level access over what is going on in the router.

$$ is not an issue here. The board is cheap because it has only the components necessary for the device to work are in place. Yes there are cheaper versions with cheaper chips but I have gear in the field in what I can almost guarantee are the harshest of conditions and they are going on 6+ years of uptime with minimal config changes since ROS 3.5 ;)

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$$ is not an issue here. The board is cheap because it has only the components necessary for the device to work are in place. Yes there are cheaper versions with cheaper chips but I have gear in the field in what I can almost guarantee are the harshest of conditions and they are going on 6+ years of uptime with minimal config changes since ROS 3.5 ;)

Come on MT, I believe in you.
the Issue begins with low end Chipset, if you want to build devices for Professional market, you choose the cheapest Chipset, who manufactures says for home using?

But there are a couple of ones for „enterprise use“ but they are not supported by ROS.
Missing features and not relatability are the answers?
Look at Qualcomm Page.....
Hopefully we see support for QCA998x after launch of RB4011, then we are able to build
Our own systems with M11G
 
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Fri Oct 05, 2018 3:32 pm

@Normis can you tell us how many time we have to wait for the solution of this problem? If you can't resolve it please tell us, transparency for your customers please.
 
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@Normis can you tell us how many time we have to wait for the solution of this problem? If you can't resolve it please tell us, transparency for your customers please.
I have some used LHGac, SXTsq ac, we took down in the last weeks, because of
unsolved problems with ARM Boards, if someone want to get them, feel free to ask,
otherwise we throw them away.

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@Normis can you tell us how many time we have to wait for the solution of this problem? If you can't resolve it please tell us, transparency for your customers please.
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@Normis can you tell us how many time we have to wait for the solution of this problem? If you can't resolve it please tell us, transparency for your customers please.
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Is Dynadish working fine in 802.11ac and NV2?

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Is Dynadish working fine in 802.11ac and NV2?

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Yes it is not Arm based
 
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I'm having the same problem, it's time that everything looks great, more than 5 in 5 minutes it's all horrible, I'm using 802.11 .... no solution?
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Is Dynadish working fine in 802.11ac and NV2?

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Thanks mistry7! now i go to test...

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Wed Oct 10, 2018 4:33 pm

We really need a response from tik. This is ridiculous of them to not even respond. I've sent then 3 emails regarding this and their only response was we improved that in the latest current release. After upgrading still sucks and our company has probably around 500 of these things sitting in stock wait to be used yet we can't . Also still no spectral scan on A/C ....... Joke.
 
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If Mikrotik does not like a topic, he does not comment on it :-(
This is one of them.

I also do not like this policy ... ! :-(
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@Normis can you tell us how many time we have to wait for the solution of this problem? If you can't resolve it please tell us, transparency for your customers please.
I have some used LHGac, SXTsq ac, we took down in the last weeks, because of
unsolved problems with ARM Boards, if someone want to get them, feel free to ask,
otherwise we throw them away.

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weird, nobody wants to have that stuff
You are from Germany. If you had a trip to the Czech Republic I would have taken them :)
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I am interested to buy it. Please can your left email or contact me on npero2(at)gmail(dot)com


I have some used LHGac, SXTsq ac, we took down in the last weeks, because of
unsolved problems with ARM Boards, if someone want to get them, feel free to ask,
otherwise we throw them away.

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@normis old LDF mipsbe are not more available from distributors we have no hardware that work well with NV2 to make our business..... are LDF mipsbe end of life?

CAN YOU PLEASE SPEND SOME WORDS FOR US?

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I am interested to buy it. Please can your left email or contact me on npero2(at)gmail(dot)com


I have some used LHGac, SXTsq ac, we took down in the last weeks, because of
unsolved problems with ARM Boards, if someone want to get them, feel free to ask,
otherwise we throw them away.

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you've got an e-mail
 
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@normis old LDF mipsbe are not more available from distributors we have no hardware that work well with NV2 to make our business..... are LDF mipsbe end of life?

CAN YOU PLEASE SPEND SOME WORDS FOR US?

Thank you
SXT ac, SXT HGac, SXT Lite5ac, they all not longer available.
 
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LDF mipsbe is not available now I hope is only a shortage for the distributors
 
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LDF5 (802.11n) is available in Germany
 
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LDF5 (802.11n) is available in Germany
LDF5 is in stock in New Zealand too - we can ship worldwide :-)
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@Normis can you tell us how many time we have to wait for the solution of this problem? If you can't resolve it please tell us, transparency for your customers please.
It is the same like the Spectral-Scan story

only stalling tactics, some „possible fixes“
and then long time nothing, no answer and no fix
And when you wait for it and if you ask for it sometimes,
the answer would be „We fixe it with ROS 7“
And that is the answer from Mikrotik, not Interesting to fix it now!
 
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@ 2jarek
6.43 Works only for TDMA period size 1ms. Try 3-5ms = disaster. Hardware driver/chipset/clock problem.
Just curious I have mine set to 2ms ! and have you any more information on "Hardware driver/chipset/clock problem."
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@mistry7
I don’t think you will see anything from Mikrotik in Wireless Market, Wireless is dead end, FTTH is future, look at the Products MT is releasing, look at KidControl.
.........................
I agree that Fibre to the Home (FTTH) is the future for business, working from home, etc. but for residential customers we have discovered that price is paramount, sure they want very fast broadband but the vast majority are not willing to pay the premium cost involved, hence the reason why *all* fibre providers here have resorted to using a low price period at start of the contract before prices increase, even some bundle media content to sell FTTH to residential customers!
 
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The fact that tik won't comment on this just baffles me.... Furthermore the fact that they build an AC lhg line that is most likely intended to be paired with the omnitik ac and than they sell thousands of them without even testing the product blows my mind. They clearly have time to improve the 60ghz stuff every release candidate just won't put the time into the arm 5ghz for whatever reason.
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:28 pm

Hello guys ... After consulting here a few days ago, they confirmed that Dynadish does not have this famous problem for not having ARM, so I decided to buy one, meanwhile mikrotik does not offer any solution to the problem, we have to fix ourselves in some way and look for alternatives to continue improving our services ...

Then I wrote the following e-mail requesting me to recognize a level 4 license, to update the Dynadish to PTMP instead of an LHG 5ac that I bought for that, updated its license and could not use it ...

I share my query, and the unfavorable response they gave me ...
"Hi guys, from our main tower we have 4 others towers in a visible width of 10 grads connected and concentrated in a Sextant-G (Soft-ID=xxxx-xxxx) in a range of 3 to 8 kilometers with SXTsq, LHG 5ac and LHG 5ac XL in NV2.

From a time ago we need to enhance the capacity of this backbone, for this we buy a LHG 5ac (Soft-ID= xxxx-xxxx) to replace the old Sextant-G 802.11n, but the performance and quality was horrible, because the well-known problem of ARM chipsets with NV2... then we back again to the old Sextant-G waiting for a solution, but no answer in the forum about that and the clients are claiming the low quality of the service...

At this point besides of buy boths Routerboards, we buy the upgrade of license to Level 4 (u$45 each one, u$90 in total).

Well, now we buy a Dynadish 5ac (Soft-ID=xxxx-xxxx / Serial Number=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) to replace the Sextant-G and speed up the performance of this backbone...

Can you do the favour of exchange the license of the LHG 5ac back to Level 3 and pass the Dynadish to Level 4? I hope you understand my situation and can help us to solve our dilemma and not buy another license upgrade to try.

Thanks and regards"

Here the first MT reply:
Hello,

MikroTik support usually reply within three business days.

Unfortunately RouterBOARD licenses are not transferrable.

Best regards,
Martins S.

Here my second e-mail:
Hi Martins, i know that... but you need to considerate i can´t use the LHG 5ac license in level 4 for PTMP because yours problems with ARM chip and NV2.

I don´t want to buy another license level 4 for other RB.

If i don´t have a favorable reply about this problem, i public this bad situation with your reply in the forum.

I hope you can understand my situtation...

Thanks and regards,

Here the second bad reply without lucky:
Hello,

As soon as you purchase license for RouterBOARD it is tied to single router. Such licenses are not transferrable.

If you have a problem with your wireless connection, then please feel free to create a new support ticket. We will do our best in order to help you and improve your wireless configuration.

Best regards,
Martins S.
P.S.: Now, for this bad attention and solution, we go to change all our backbone to another brand.

Regards!
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:27 pm

Hello guys ... After consulting here a few days ago, they confirmed that Dynadish does not have this famous problem for not having ARM, so I decided to buy one, meanwhile mikrotik does not offer any solution to the problem, we have to fix ourselves in some way and look for alternatives to continue improving our services ...

Then I wrote the following e-mail requesting me to recognize a level 4 license, to update the Dynadish to PTMP instead of an LHG 5ac that I bought for that, updated its license and could not use it ...

I share my query, and the unfavorable response they gave me ...
"Hi guys, from our main tower we have 4 others towers in a visible width of 10 grads connected and concentrated in a Sextant-G (Soft-ID=xxxx-xxxx) in a range of 3 to 8 kilometers with SXTsq, LHG 5ac and LHG 5ac XL in NV2.

From a time ago we need to enhance the capacity of this backbone, for this we buy a LHG 5ac (Soft-ID= xxxx-xxxx) to replace the old Sextant-G 802.11n, but the performance and quality was horrible, because the well-known problem of ARM chipsets with NV2... then we back again to the old Sextant-G waiting for a solution, but no answer in the forum about that and the clients are claiming the low quality of the service...

At this point besides of buy boths Routerboards, we buy the upgrade of license to Level 4 (u$45 each one, u$90 in total).

Well, now we buy a Dynadish 5ac (Soft-ID=xxxx-xxxx / Serial Number=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) to replace the Sextant-G and speed up the performance of this backbone...

Can you do the favour of exchange the license of the LHG 5ac back to Level 3 and pass the Dynadish to Level 4? I hope you understand my situation and can help us to solve our dilemma and not buy another license upgrade to try.

Thanks and regards"

Here the first MT reply:
Hello,

MikroTik support usually reply within three business days.

Unfortunately RouterBOARD licenses are not transferrable.

Best regards,
Martins S.

Here my second e-mail:
Hi Martins, i know that... but you need to considerate i can´t use the LHG 5ac license in level 4 for PTMP because yours problems with ARM chip and NV2.

I don´t want to buy another license level 4 for other RB.

If i don´t have a favorable reply about this problem, i public this bad situation with your reply in the forum.

I hope you can understand my situtation...

Thanks and regards,

Here the second bad reply without lucky:
Hello,

As soon as you purchase license for RouterBOARD it is tied to single router. Such licenses are not transferrable.

If you have a problem with your wireless connection, then please feel free to create a new support ticket. We will do our best in order to help you and improve your wireless configuration.

Best regards,
Martins S.
P.S.: Now, for this bad attention and solution, we go to change all our backbone to another brand.

Regards!

We also did the change and did not regret it
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:30 pm

They clearly have time to improve the 60ghz stuff every release candidate just won't put the time into the arm 5ghz for whatever reason.
Looks like it is Hardware Issue and can not be fixed
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:29 am

I have the some problem.... witch brand works now Mistry7?
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:32 am

you've got an e-mail
I send you replay but did not receive any mail from you after that.
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:11 pm

I am angry about the silence on this issue, I can't understand why we have had no official answer.

In the last 8 years we bought something around 1M euro of mikrotik hardware..... changing now is big trouble!!!!

I have 3 new towers waiting
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:29 pm

I have the some problem.... witch brand works now Mistry7?
If any vendor had a wireless product designed especially to function perfectly in a increasing noisy environment, everyone would know very fast?
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:37 pm

I have the some problem.... witch brand works now Mistry7?
We use Mimosa and Ubiquiti
We removed Mikrotik on really new Towers, rebuild them with something new, and get some SXT Lite5ac from the costumers back, so we have some fro the old Towers, but this will not work for ever
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:44 pm

We are changing to Mimosa and Cambium Networks...

UBNT is bad word for me! a real shit in all your products!
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:35 pm

@Normis I 'll post here untill we 'll have an answer :-)

I apologize for my inistence but I need an answer

Thank You
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:38 am

@Normis I 'll post here untill we 'll have an answer :-)

I apologize for my inistence but I need an answer

Thank You
They can only ignore us for so long 😀 eventually they will have to own up to it and fix it.
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:52 am

@Normis I 'll post here untill we 'll have an answer :-)

I apologize for my inistence but I need an answer

Thank You
They can only ignore us for so long 😀 eventually they will have to own up to it and fix it.
Sure they will fix it ... in ROS V7 :wink:
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:15 pm

Hello Folks!

First please mikrotik fix so older devices work or make a branch for older devices and freeze it or what ever suites you best.
As it is for now, we have stopped upgrading all wireless devices at Ros6.41.3.
Any attempt upgrading higher than RoS6.41.3 for wireless devices ends up in netinstalling them with RoS6.41.3 or lower.

Which devices work with NV2 and higher RoS6.41.3, is there any ?
QRT5 ?
DynaDish 5 ?
Any other device ?

We are fully dependent on it for our PtMP production.
We have a mix of devices, all running NV2 in routed network and various speeds and needs.

NV2 ptmp Basestations)
RB333 (few ptmp basestations, low speed links 20-30Mbit/s, max 7 clients per basestation sector)
RB435 (a few ptmp basestations, low speed links 20-30Mbit/s, max 10 clients per basestation sector)
RB600 (some ptmp basestations, low speed links 20-30Mbit/s, max 10 clients per basestation sector)
RB800 (a few ptmp basestations, medium speed links 30-100Mbit/s plus max 10 clients per basestation sector)
SXT SA5 ac (few ptmp basestations, medium speed links 30-100Mbit/s plus max 4 clients per basestation sector)

NV2 clients)
RB333 (clients, low speed links, low speed links 20-30Mbit/s)
RB411 (massive amount of clients, low speed links 20-30Mbit/s)
RB433 (clients, low speed links 20-30Mbit/s)
RB911G-5HPnD (many clients, low speed links 20-30Mbit/s)
RB711-SHnD (many clients, low speed links 20-30Mbit/s)
RB711-5Hn.u.FL (many clients, low speed links 20-30Mbit/s)
RB SXT-5D (many clients, low speed links 20-30Mbit/s)
RB SXT G5HPacD (many clients, medium speed links 30-100Mbit/s plus)
SXT 5 ac (many clients, medium speed links 30-100Mbit/s plus)
SXT G-5HPacd (many clients, medium speed links 30-100Mbit/s plus)
QRT5 (few clients, medium speed links 30-100Mbit/s plus)
DynaDish 5 (few clients, medium speed links 30-100Mbit/s plus)
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:42 pm

@Normis I 'll post here untill we 'll have an answer :-)
I apologize for my inistence but I need an answer
Thank You
Good idea. We will not leave this topic forgotten until Mikrotik answers...
@MIKROTIK - How long will you be silent? This is a public official forum. All users see how you are facing problems ...
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Sun Oct 21, 2018 9:45 pm

@Normis I 'll post here untill we 'll have an answer :-)
I apologize for my inistence but I need an answer
Thank You
Good idea. We will not leave this topic forgotten until Mikrotik answers...
@MIKROTIK - How long will you be silent? This is a public official forum. All users see how you are facing problems ...
remember spectrum scan.....same story.... first "yes we will add / fix it" and later nothing.......
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:41 am

Five years working with @Mikrotik ... Today is the last day. It´s a pitty...
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Mon Oct 22, 2018 4:20 pm

Five years working with @Mikrotik ... Today is the last day. It´s a pitty...
My company has 6000 mikrotik cpe installed, +1000 new orders every year and when NV2 finally works quite well with AC we have no more hardware compatible with it. It's a nightmare to swith to another vendor...
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:49 pm

It's a Big problem but... If @Mikrotik dont solve the problem It is very dangerous not change the brand...
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:08 am

Yes but I don't want to install new towers and after some months have the problem solved or new AC working hardware. NV2 works great with old AC hardware.

It's important to have an official answer from mikrotik about this iusse.
It's a Big problem but... If @Mikrotik dont solve the problem It is very dangerous not change the brand...
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:03 pm

It's pretty sad and unfortunate that mikrotik won't even comment on this. Do they not care about keeping customers? If they would just comment an ETA and live up to it they would keep far more customers than their current scheme. We were making a giant push towards tik ac when these came out but now we have hundreds of these sitting in our warehouse with no response from tik besides ooooooo try the latest firmware that doesn't do anything.
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:40 pm

I pay the grill when Mikrotik answer and solve that problem!

Enviado desde mi BLA-L29 mediante Tapatalk

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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:39 pm

we are a lot of days without new firmware. I hope @Mikrotik improve arm :?:
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:20 am

@normis any update?
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Fri Oct 26, 2018 4:39 pm


I have some used LHGac, SXTsq ac, we took down in the last weeks, because of
unsolved problems with ARM Boards, if someone want to get them, feel free to ask,
otherwise we throw them away.

mistry7
can you send me a mail to miko.sakic (at) gmail dot com? i can't contact you on here.
thank you.
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:12 pm

rc45 contains Nv2+ARM fix. It will be released within the next 24 hours.
Hello Normis.
Latest firmware not solve NV2 problem (missing slot). Since 13 July 2018 you do not write. Can you comment on the situation?
Silence will not solve the problem ...
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Sat Oct 27, 2018 1:19 pm

null, removed posted in wrong thread
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Sat Oct 27, 2018 9:19 pm

Another interesting Feature arrived, a few rb411 reboots themselfes nothing in logs no supouts just the message u get when unplugging the power. So it is Some kind of crash.
Why this in this topic?
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:00 am

I have tried SXTsq 5 ac-US firmware 6.42.9 connected to an hap ac lite firmware 6.40.9 in channel 5180,5200,5745,5750 for an hour with no disconnections.I used protocols nv2,nstreme,802.11 20/40Mhz Ce.
Remember using password in nv2 protocol.Best regards from Perú.
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:47 am

I have tried SXTsq 5 ac-US firmware 6.42.9 connected to an hap ac lite firmware 6.40.9 in channel 5180,5200,5745,5750 for an hour with no disconnections.I used protocols nv2,nstreme,802.11 20/40Mhz Ce.
Remember using password in nv2 protocol.Best regards from Perú.
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The speed you got is the problem / and the latency too
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:30 am

Only deafening silence from mikrotik no answer and no info on future hardware that solve the problem
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:56 pm

Also, MT is not recognizing the problem and don´t send me a L4 license upgrade free of charge for the DynaDish 5ac we bought to replace an not possible to use LHG XL 5ac, wich we buy and upgraded the L4 license to do a simple backbone PTMP to other 4 towers...
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:24 pm

New firmware but... old problem Mikrotik text the solution please. We have WISP and our coustomer dissapear....
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:49 pm

New firmware but... old problem Mikrotik text the solution please. We have WISP and our coustomer dissapear....
As I mentioned before, buy something else, I don’t believe in Mikrotik anymore, 10 Month for such fix is not practical with our business, we can’t wait 10 month , and coustomers are waiting....
If this is normal for Mikrotik, then good night!
 
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Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:32 pm

New firmware but... old problem Mikrotik text the solution please. We have WISP and our coustomer dissapear....
As I mentioned before, buy something else, I don’t believe in Mikrotik anymore, 10 Month for such fix is not practical with our business, we can’t wait 10 month , and coustomers are waiting....
If this is normal for Mikrotik, then good night!
I'm still waiting for Mikrotik to rebut your opinion, but it does not. They'd rather be silent.

Dear @Mikrotik. Perhaps you are the only manufacturer who does not care about customers? So many dissatisfied comments and you can not write anything? Thanks
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:35 pm

New firmware but... old problem Mikrotik text the solution please. We have WISP and our coustomer dissapear....
As I mentioned before, buy something else, I don’t believe in Mikrotik anymore, 10 Month for such fix is not practical with our business, we can’t wait 10 month , and coustomers are waiting....
If this is normal for Mikrotik, then good night!
I'm still waiting for Mikrotik to rebut your opinion, but it does not. They'd rather be silent.

Dear @Mikrotik. Perhaps you are the only manufacturer who does not care about customers? So many dissatisfied comments and you can not write anything? Thanks
There are options why it take so long...
1. Hardware issue, no fix is possible
2. Driver Issue but fixable only with newer Kernel, wait for Ros 7 it will arrive on Chrismas, but you don’t know the year

Mikrotik has a big communication issue with coustommers. No Official Roadmaps, no timelines, no milestones, we no nothing
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:18 am

Ros 7 it will arrive on Chrismas
Oh my sweet little boy... :lol:
Mikrotik has a big communication issue with coustommers. No Official Roadmaps, no timelines, no milestones, we no nothing
Better no roadmaps/timelines/milestones, than promised but not fulfilled roadmaps/timelines/milestones. They learned from the past and I must applaud for that.

On the other hand I fully agree that in some situations, statement about "why is there an issue and what are we going to do" would be better (just explanation and course of action, no timeframes). NV2 on ARM is one of these situations which would deserve such statement.
 
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Ros 7 it will arrive on Chrismas
Oh my sweet little boy... :lol:
Mikrotik has a big communication issue with coustommers. No Official Roadmaps, no timelines, no milestones, we no nothing
Better no roadmaps/timelines/milestones, than promised but not fulfilled roadmaps/timelines/milestones. They learned from the past and I must applaud for that.
On the other hand I fully agree that in some situations, statement about "why is there an issue and what are we going to do" would be better (just explanation and course of action, no timeframes). NV2 on ARM is one of these situations which would deserve such statement.
Yes, you are right, no term better than promised but unfulfilled.
I do not know why MIKROTIK chose the strategy of silence? ARM and NV2 is a big problem. Just if they wrote that it will be fixed in V7?. Or, in another hw revision will be fixed.

Do we stop buying AC hardware? This is solution?
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Ros 7 it will arrive on Chrismas
Oh my sweet little boy... :lol:
Mikrotik has a big communication issue with coustommers. No Official Roadmaps, no timelines, no milestones, we no nothing
Better no roadmaps/timelines/milestones, than promised but not fulfilled roadmaps/timelines/milestones. They learned from the past and I must applaud for that.
On the other hand I fully agree that in some situations, statement about "why is there an issue and what are we going to do" would be better (just explanation and course of action, no timeframes). NV2 on ARM is one of these situations which would deserve such statement.
Yes, you are right, no term better than promised but unfulfilled.
I do not know why MIKROTIK chose the strategy of silence? ARM and NV2 is a big problem. Just if they wrote that it will be fixed in V7?. Or, in another hw revision will be fixed.

Do we stop buying AC hardware? This is solution?
For us absolute clear, no answer here and no answers from support, no answer at mum , no answer from distributing, but distributions solution..... sell us something else....
I like Mikrotik but this problems with new hardware has nothing to do with serious business case!

If this is your software service for new devices, then I don’t need it!
 
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Wed Oct 31, 2018 3:43 pm

Mikrotik have the money and we have the problem. I don´t buy anything of mikrotik if they don´t fix arm.
 
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Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:10 am

So for all comments in this post.It is 100% sure that 802.11 working well in arm wireless devices or not?
 
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Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:28 am

So for all comments in this post.It is 100% sure that 802.11 working well in arm wireless devices or not?
I got problem with all wireless protocols including 802.11, at least for RB411 (300MHz) variants and some older SXT devices.
 
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Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:19 am

So for all comments in this post.It is 100% sure that 802.11 working well in arm wireless devices or not?
Yes in pure 802.11n ARM devices now (6.44beta28) works great over 200mbit TCP speedtest for 40mhz channel. But Wireless interface change Quee type for "hardware default".
 
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Thu Nov 01, 2018 3:02 pm

So for all comments in this post.It is 100% sure that 802.11 working well in arm wireless devices or not?
Yes in pure 802.11n ARM devices now (6.44beta28) works great over 200mbit TCP speedtest for 40mhz channel. But Wireless interface change Quee type for "hardware default".
I can´t upgrade my LHG on ARM with 6.44 beta 14 firmware. Is it normal? more and more problems...
 
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Thu Nov 01, 2018 3:36 pm

What's the reason you can't?
Russian-speaking forum: https://forum.mikrotik.by/. Welcome!

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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:56 pm

What's the reason you can't?
I don't know I charge 6.44beta28 reboot the router and don't upgrade. I use console Too and nothing...
 
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Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:44 pm

So what's in Log after reboot?
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Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:09 pm

So what's in Log after reboot?
30-50 second It,s Too short
 
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Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:08 pm

So what's in Log after reboot?
Not enought space to upgrade. Clean all extra packges or only Dime?
 
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Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:10 pm

So check your free space, that's the answer.

What's wrong with dime?..
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Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:23 pm

So check your free space, that's the answer.

What's wrong with dime?..
Some. My telephone write for me...
 
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Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:14 am

It depends on your actual free space and "Files" contents
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Fri Nov 02, 2018 10:46 am

It depends on your actual free space and "Files" contents
Only 5 mb free. Which packet can I throw away?
 
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Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:44 pm

Only 5 mb free.
And no files in Files section?
Which packet can I throw away?
Which ones are installed?

Generally, you need 'system' package to start the router.
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Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:28 am

Only 5 mb free.
And no files in Files section?
Which packet can I throw away?
Which ones are installed?

Generally, you need 'system' package to start the router.

I remove all packages excep system y wireless and I can upgrade the router. It´s works fine in nstream. 802.11 and nv2 the same problem.
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:00 pm

weekly reminder :-)

any update?
 
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Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:51 am

weekly reminder :-)

any update?
 
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Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:28 am

weekly reminder :-)

any update?
You will wait for a long time.....
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Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:41 am

No wait today is sad day I am installing a new tower with ubiquiti antennas, it's the first without mikrotik :-(

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No wait today is sad day I am installing a new tower with ubiquiti antennas, it's the first without mikrotik :-(
In the afternoon I 'll post some pics!!!!
Mikrotik reads this topic. They just do not write anything.
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No wait today is sad day I am installing a new tower with ubiquiti antennas, it's the first without mikrotik :-(
In the afternoon I 'll post some pics!!!!
Mikrotik reads this topic. They just do not write anything.
@Mikrotik. Should we all migrate to UBNT as server8?
If you have to build new Tower, this is the only way.... but there are more Options then UBNT
 
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Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:29 pm

We have a test tower with ubiquiti and it works well performance are 20% more than mikortik AC with a lot of radio features but ROS is ROS :-(
 
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We have a test tower with ubiquiti and it works well performance are 20% more than mikortik AC with a lot of radio features but ROS is ROS :-(
It looks like ROS is legacy
 
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Any news?
 
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Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:37 am

Any news?
No, same problem i´m crying
 
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Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:45 pm

New firm!!!! Someone can try? Works fine nv2?
 
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Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:00 pm

What's new in 6.44beta39 (2018-Nov-27 12:14):

*) wireless - improved system stability for all ARM devices with wireless;

:D :D :D

Can somebody test?
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What's new in 6.44beta39 (2018-Nov-27 12:14):

*) wireless - improved system stability for all ARM devices with wireless;

:D :D :D

Can somebody test?
Still mipsBE much better then ARM
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What's new in 6.44beta39 (2018-Nov-27 12:14):

*) wireless - improved system stability for all ARM devices with wireless;


But work fine?

:D :D :D

Can somebody test?
Still mipsBE mich better then ARM
 
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Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:57 pm

You are testing in PTP or PTMP? LHG 5ac (ARM) and Dynadish 5ac (MIPSBE) or which devices?
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There is no ARM NV2 fix.
 
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You are testing in PTP or PTMP? LHG 5ac (ARM) and Dynadish 5ac (MIPSBE) or which devices?
1)ALL ARM (LHG/DISC tested don't want waste more time for SQ)
2)ALL NV2 scenarios ALL.... no matter ptmp, bridge, routing just NV2+ ARM still CRAP.
 
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Ptp works fine
 
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Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:03 pm

In 802.11 and nstreme work fine or loss a lot of packet?
 
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Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:25 pm

In 802.11 and nstreme work fine or loss a lot of packet?
I´m not able to test, we removed all mounted ARM Hardware...
 
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Ptp works fine
Try nv2 ptp & stop lie
 
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Ptp works fine
Can you share screenshots with the PTP? Thx!
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Ptp is working

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Ptp is working

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Working like CRAP. TCP/IP bandwitch test for NV2 forks worse than old 411 RB 300 mhz u read this topic ? Make test not "connection"
 
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Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:32 pm

Yes, in NV2 we have good signal and CCQ too, but the performance is a shit... in nstreme or 802.11 is better...
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Yes, in NV2 we have good signal and CCQ too, but the performance is a shit... in nstreme or 802.11 is better...
You are right, 802.11 is better, but now it can conect in nv2 and work
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You are right, 802.11 is better, but now it can conect in nv2 and work
Are you kidding? It is the end of 2018. We have AC hardware and you consider the 53 Mbit result to be good? With 40Mhz on P2P? :-) :-)
Very bad, very bad...
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You are right, 802.11 is better, but now it can conect in nv2 and work
Are you kidding? It is the end of 2018. We have AC hardware and you consider the 53 Mbit result to be good? With 40Mhz on P2P? :-) :-)
Very bad, very bad...
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You are right, 802.11 is better, but now it can conect in nv2 and work
Are you kidding? It is the end of 2018. We have AC hardware and you consider the 53 Mbit result to be good? With 40Mhz on P2P? :-) :-)
Very bad, very bad...
Also 5100 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:22 am

Also 5100 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Surprise me, show your best link, mine is lhg, 5km, real throughout 140M.
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:34 am

WoW really? :D At distance 7,2KM i will do 240Mbps real thoughput on 40MHz on pbe ac 500 :P

LT400AC on distance 5KM can send 400Mbps real thoughput at 80MHz, 200Mbps at 40MHz and 100Mbps at 20MHz, it will be also option 50Mhz so it will be around 300Mbps :P

Can AC from MT do this? I think NO, NO, NO :D I have 2 x LHG AC and on NV2 i will reach only 25Mbps :D Shit!
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WoW really? :D At distance 7,2KM i will do 240Mbps real thoughput on 40MHz on pbe ac 500 :P

LT400AC on distance 5KM can send 400Mbps real thoughput at 80MHz, 200Mbps at 40MHz and 100Mbps at 20MHz, it will be also option 50Mhz so it will be around 300Mbps :P

Can AC from MT do this? I think NO, NO, NO :D I have 2 x LHG AC and on NV2 i will reach only 25Mbps :D Shit!
Dont believe, show 400M LT400AC, if so ill buy one.
 
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WoW really? :D At distance 7,2KM i will do 240Mbps real thoughput on 40MHz on pbe ac 500 :P

LT400AC on distance 5KM can send 400Mbps real thoughput at 80MHz, 200Mbps at 40MHz and 100Mbps at 20MHz, it will be also option 50Mhz so it will be around 300Mbps :P

Can AC from MT do this? I think NO, NO, NO :D I have 2 x LHG AC and on NV2 i will reach only 25Mbps :D Shit!
Dont believe, show 400M LT400AC, if so ill buy one.
Same on Mimosa C5C 20 MHZ =130 MBit , 40 MHz about 280-300 MBit real TCP ( 5Km with RF Elements TP550)
 
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2,75KM, frequency 5500, signal -61, tx-power only -4dbm!!! The same result will be on other like 6KM but now I cannot do the test, because peoples downloading :P But now you see that on 20MHz can do 130Mbps, you cannot do the same on LHG AC :D and never will be :P Maybe you have only 50-60Mbpa at 20MHz :P
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2,75KM, frequency 5500, signal -61, tx-power only -4dbm!!! The same result will be on other like 6KM but now I cannot do the test, because peoples downloading :P But now you see that on 20MHz can do 130Mbps, you cannot do the same on LHG AC :D and never will be :P Maybe you have only 50-60Mbpa at 20MHz :P
-4dbm to 2.7km ??? I dont believe. May be your spectre is very very very clean. May be ap and cpe are in the same room.
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:37 pm

Eh... You dont understand, you dont see max capacity? Capacity = max thoughput in AC mode in UBNT so there is 134Mbps in 20MHz!!!

Send me max thoughput and max capacity from LHG AC in 20MHz... I have two LHG AC, MT is shi*. in this point, this is my opinion.

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Think about the last 10 ROS releases, there is much development for W60G, but nothing on 802.11ac, Mikrotik has no Interest in normal Wireless, we have no Wave 2, there are no signs for 802.11ax!

Mikrotik Wireless is more then outdated and the most Problems are ROS based, or say based on the own Wireless Drivers they use,

My M11G with Lede/ Openwrt and Ath10k performances much better then with Ros!
 
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YEP 1K Euro 6 months ago wasted for DISC/LHG/SQ ARM. Mikrotik sell me broken products & use my money for develop "kids controll" &many idiotic features. I Don't buy any ARM from 6 month, only classic LHG/SQ. NOW almost ALL links p2p changed for UBNT airfiber5 &works like charm. Only p2mp still mikrotik because can't easy migrate.

NOW 6.44 Beta 40 / 6.43.4 ARM family all AC products:
1)NV2 broken because half speed (all mikrotik NV2 platforms are slow but NV2+ARM slow like RB133C CRAP)
2)802.11 sometimes random latency spikes on all ARM AC brides/apclients/NAT/router no matter

This ARM hardware have powerful possibilities but mikrotik don't want or cant develop ?
Maybe mikrotik gave us exchange program one used LHG AC for classic old LHG ?
 
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Whats about collecting all arm devices and put it on the desk in March ( MuM Europe) and ask Face to Face, what they can offer as solution?

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Vienna is not far away from italy :-)
 
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My M11G with Lede/ Openwrt and Ath10k performances much better then with Ros!
Can you share any results? The same configuration with LEDE and with ROS?
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My M11G with Lede/ Openwrt and Ath10k performances much better then with Ros!
Can you share any results? The same configuration with LEDE and with ROS?
They are installed with Wave 2 PCIE Modules from Compex
Next time I prepare new ones I will try Mikrotik AC modules too
 
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My M11G with Lede/ Openwrt and Ath10k performances much better then with Ros!
Can you share any results? The same configuration with LEDE and with ROS?
They are installed with Wave 2 PCIE Modules from Compex
Next time I prepare new ones I will try Mikrotik AC modules too
Compex wave2 work in routeros?
 
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Compex wave2 work in routeros?
In ROS no, but in LEDE yes
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Compex wave2 work in routeros?
In ROS no, but in LEDE yes


Share please :D
 
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menmnto :-(
 
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yes, no problems with NV2 :D
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Apparently there is a diagnosis and there are patches in the pipeline.
 
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Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:06 pm

Apparently there is a diagnosis and there are patches in the pipeline.
After 8 or 9 unsuccessful patches and 12 month this issue is unfixed I don’t believe that
 
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Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:27 pm

We have a Big problem, please @mikrotik solve. If need something of user mikrotik only need sais us. We are wisp and nedd solutions. @mikrotik is not other bad brand...
 
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Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:38 am

@normis
We are close to a solution to the Nv2+ARM performance issue, please hold on for a day or two, when we will release the changes in RC release chain, for first testing.
Close enough or is this cold case closed, like Spectral Scan?
 
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Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:57 pm

We have a Big problem, please @mikrotik solve. If need something of user mikrotik only need sais us. We are wisp and nedd solutions. @mikrotik is not other bad brand...
We are also WISP and we are dealing with the same problem. I think it's about a large number of WISPs and @Mikrotik does not solve it anyway... :(
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Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:12 pm

We have a Big problem, please @mikrotik solve. If need something of user mikrotik only need sais us. We are wisp and nedd solutions. @mikrotik is not other bad brand...
We are also WISP and we are dealing with the same problem. I think it's about a large number of WISPs and @Mikrotik does not solve it anyway... :(

Why solve it, when people’s buy this crap unfixed?
My distri asked last week why my Mikrotik amount is near to nothing in Q3 and Q4, and he sees that not only at us.....
 
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Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:40 pm

I had the hardware yet....
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:11 am

Does New firm work fine?
 
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Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:11 pm

Does New firm work fine?
NO
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:34 pm

I have partially to correct myself: the last firmware still miss the slot but now it works a little bit better but 30% slower than old AC hardware
 
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Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:30 pm

In ptp -58-58 lhg arm ac without interferences i only have 80-90mb in nstreme. In 802.11 lost a lot of packet and in nv2.... 20-30 mb but irregular.
 
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Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:59 pm

I have partially to correct myself: the last firmware still miss the slot but now it works a little bit better but 30% slower than old AC hardware
And that's the progress :) New AC - worse than old
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Fri Dec 21, 2018 6:10 am

Greetings.

LHGac ARM

I have the same problem or worse, I show screenshots of a PtP link.

better 802.11 results, but on "occasions" there is packet loss during speed tests.

someone with the same problem?

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Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:07 pm

There is no comment from Mikrotik so you have to life with that „features“
 
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Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:56 pm

I have the packet problem Too same problem....
 
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Sat Dec 22, 2018 12:01 am

I have the packet problem Too same problem....
ARM works only for pure 802.11 CPE only. No AP no Bridge no WDS no nstreme no NV2. Station & NAT now works fine. Don't try Queue too only hardware Queue.
 
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Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:53 am

There is no comment from Mikrotik so you have to life with that „features“
I do not want to live with that, I will return it to my supplier for warranty
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Sat Dec 22, 2018 6:24 am

There is no comment from Mikrotik so you have to life with that „features“
I do not want to live with that, I will return it to my supplier for warranty
:o :o :o :o 8)
That is what we have done.....
We build new Tower not with Mikrotik, there is no Business Case, 12 Month and no solution!
 
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Tue Dec 25, 2018 11:20 am

It is Christmas day... No arm fix no Ros 7. Please @Mikrotik... One more time said us if they have plain solve the problem and when. Wisp need solutions no problem. Change hardware is Too espensive and waste of time... Its Too dificult for us this situation and more dificult our silence...
 
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Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:02 pm

It is Christmas day... No arm fix no Ros 7. Please @Mikrotik... One more time said us if they have plain solve the problem and when. Wisp need solutions no problem. Change hardware is Too espensive and waste of time... Its Too dificult for us this situation and more dificult our silence...
Build new towers with another vendor......
Rebuild smal towers with new stuff and pick up the clients for another towers, this is how we doing......

We are don’t believing in any solution from Mikrotik

Clients from another vendors are more expensive but, we are able to sell 100 and 200MBit plans, that is not possible with Mikrotik

If I think back the changeover time begins after missing Spectral scan, we know yet, that we had waisted time by waiting for MT is changing something.....
 
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Thu Dec 27, 2018 3:32 am

It is Christmas day... No arm fix no Ros 7. Please @Mikrotik... One more time said us if they have plain solve the problem and when. Wisp need solutions no problem. Change hardware is Too espensive and waste of time... Its Too dificult for us this situation and more dificult our silence...
Build new towers with another vendor......
Rebuild smal towers with new stuff and pick up the clients for another towers, this is how we doing......

We are don’t believing in any solution from Mikrotik

Clients from another vendors are more expensive but, we are able to sell 100 and 200MBit plans, that is not possible with Mikrotik

If I think back the changeover time begins after missing Spectral scan, we know yet, that we had waisted time by waiting for MT is changing something.....
100-200MBit in the air? only with Cambium or Mimosa maybe... what you using?
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Thu Dec 27, 2018 5:58 am

It is Christmas day... No arm fix no Ros 7. Please @Mikrotik... One more time said us if they have plain solve the problem and when. Wisp need solutions no problem. Change hardware is Too espensive and waste of time... Its Too dificult for us this situation and more dificult our silence...
Build new towers with another vendor......
Rebuild smal towers with new stuff and pick up the clients for another towers, this is how we doing......

We are don’t believing in any solution from Mikrotik

Clients from another vendors are more expensive but, we are able to sell 100 and 200MBit plans, that is not possible with Mikrotik

If I think back the changeover time begins after missing Spectral scan, we know yet, that we had waisted time by waiting for MT is changing something.....
100-200MBit in the air? only with Cambium or Mimosa maybe... what you using?
AP: Mimosa A5c + RF Element Horns
Client: C5 in future we will try C5x
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:06 pm

No reply @mikrotik with loss packet in 802.11?
 
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Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:12 pm

No reply @mikrotik with loss packet in 802.11?
Yes you are right. Unfortunately, Mikrotik does not comment these problems :(
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:37 pm

Why don't request @mikrotik? I am sure ypu read this post....
 
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Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:40 pm

Why don't request @mikrotik? I am sure ypu read this post....
They don’t need to answer , people’s buying this beta shit every day.....
 
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Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:49 pm

No Mistry mikrotik loss a lot of clients...
 
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Fri Dec 28, 2018 12:39 am

No Mistry mikrotik loss a lot of clients...
Not enough, otherwise it would be fixed long time ago
 
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Mon Dec 31, 2018 12:43 pm

Last day in 2018.
Let's do a little summary - the problem is here with us since 2017 (first LHG5ac with 6.40.2) and by the end of 2018 has been NOT resolved.
Mikrotik does not communicate, does not solve... :-(
Do you think we can expect the problem to be repaired in 2019?
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Mon Dec 31, 2018 1:13 pm

Maybe with new drivers in V7 but the main question is when V7 'll be released?
 
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Mon Dec 31, 2018 1:30 pm

Maybe with new drivers in V7 but the main question is when V7 'll be released?
Maybe in 2019, but they don’t care, so we don’t care too, we has to grow, and did exchange on some Places with great success, we don’t need Mikrotik anymore....
 
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Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:54 pm

If mikrotik dont solve quickly the problem. 2019 will be last mikrotik year...
 
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Tue Jan 01, 2019 6:20 am

I see they are hiring an RF engineer.... Maybe they don't even have employees who know how to fix it
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:47 pm

Easy, very easy don´t buy unfixed product. Buy mipsbe thats works fine
 
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Tue Jan 01, 2019 5:35 pm

Easy, very easy don´t buy unfixed product. Buy mipsbe thats works fine
There are no mispbe ac CPE‘s available they are all legacy
A serious manufacturer had stopped ARM Hardware with issues and delivers the old working hardware to coustomers
 
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Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:25 pm

Mikrotik should be sell ac mipsbe product until solve the problem.
 
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Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:56 pm

From support:

Hello,

Apologies for the inconvenience, this issue is being investigated by our development team and should be fixed in the upcoming releases of the RouterOS.

Best regards,
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From support:

Hello,

Apologies for the inconvenience, this issue is being investigated by our development team and should be fixed in the upcoming releases of the RouterOS.

Best regards,
i´ve got this mail in march 18 some days before mum Berlin..... and until now nothing
 
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Sat Jan 05, 2019 5:17 pm

I have dame message Too...
 
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Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:40 pm

it's an hardware bug and it can't be resolved
 
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Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:11 pm

it's an hardware bug and it can't be resolved
possible, we cannot control it, no other vendor in WISP business has ARM and TDMA.....
BUT IF IT HARDWARE, WHY THEY DON´T SELL THE OLD STUFF......
 
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Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:30 pm

please @Mikrotik request us this situación it`s Too dificult for us and our coustomers....
 
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Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:41 pm

it's an hardware bug and it can't be resolved
possible, we cannot control it, no other vendor in WISP business has ARM and TDMA.....
BUT IF IT HARDWARE, WHY THEY DON´T SELL THE OLD STUFF......
Cambium have ARM epmp-force-300-25 They must disable 3 cores & use only ONE CORE at this moment but works very good.
 
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Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:28 pm

it's an hardware bug and it can't be resolved
possible, we cannot control it, no other vendor in WISP business has ARM and TDMA.....
BUT IF IT HARDWARE, WHY THEY DON´T SELL THE OLD STUFF......
Cambium have ARM epmp-force-300-25 They must disable 3 cores & use only ONE CORE at this moment but works very good.
But if this is a solution, then why we haven’t Ros doing the same?
 
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Sun Jan 06, 2019 11:25 pm

I Hope arm solution every day...
 
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Sun Jan 06, 2019 11:46 pm

I Hope arm solution every day...
We have a lot of Mikrotik CPE out there, but in last 6 month we realized how competitors are able to deliver higher speeds, Mikrotik is outdated, I don’t believe that we came back to Mikrotik
 
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Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:27 pm

New firmware, same problem :(
 
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Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:38 pm

New firmware, same problem :(
Wait for Christmas.....
 
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Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:00 pm

We have a lot of Mikrotik CPE out there, but in last 6 month we realized how competitors are able to deliver higher speeds, Mikrotik is outdated, I don’t believe that we came back to Mikrotik
Deliver higher speed using how much bandwidth (80-160MHz?)
 
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Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:06 pm

one more time.... please mikrotik, normis chupaka... request us
 
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Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:29 pm

We have a lot of Mikrotik CPE out there, but in last 6 month we realized how competitors are able to deliver higher speeds, Mikrotik is outdated, I don’t believe that we came back to Mikrotik
Deliver higher speed using how much bandwidth (80-160MHz?)
No, try 280MBIt TCP with Mikrotik @40mhz
 
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Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:53 pm

What I meant to say was - for other competitors to deliver higher speeds (exclude full duplex) are they using 80-160Mhz bandwidth per AP channel ?
 
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Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:37 pm

What I meant to say was - for other competitors to deliver higher speeds (exclude full duplex) are they using 80-160Mhz bandwidth per AP channel ?
No they don’t use MT for Wireless
 
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Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:07 pm

6.44.50 and 6.44.54 destroy mi ptp with arm
 
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please tell me why did you say that? which protocol you are using.
 
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Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:31 pm

Protocolo is not important all protocols fail Lost packet, slow speed, strange problems...
 
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Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:48 pm

Protocolo is not important all protocols fail Lost packet, slow speed, strange problems...
ARM to ARM = fail. Change AP side use MIPSBE like NETMETAL & use only pure 802.11 not NV2 / NSTREME.
In my opinion ARM should not be sold, this is the beta version of the product or alpha.
 
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Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:21 pm

we should return to mikrotik all the arm and be exchanged ... what do you think?

I hate this situacion, my clients dont stop to call me... I had to change a lot of equipment
 
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we should return to mikrotik all the arm and be exchanged ... what do you think?

I hate this situacion, my clients dont stop to call me... I had to change a lot of equipment
We did not deploy much of them, and after our stock with Mispbe is empty we changed brandm

They don’t care, why we should care?
 
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not sure if this shows up but this will solve my problem
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what are the models and how much are they?
 
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what are the models and how much are they?
B5 and B5c are PTP Radios

B5 has integrated Antenna and B5c is connector based

https://mimosa.co/products/specs/b5
 
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:43 am

Hi guys. Yes wireless situation is annoying. But this is still a MT forum. This should not be used to praise other vendors. So please consider removing your posts with foreign gear.

Something to consider:
MT is great with routers.
MT is great with their new 3xx line switches
LHG60 is great
802.11ax may change things
 
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:12 am

mikrotik has caused me many problems and does not solve them. some things work well but many do not. We have lost a lot of time and money because of the mikrotik arm. If mikrotik does not want to solve the problem we have the right to look for arternatives. In my country it is considered scam to sell products that do not work. Also mikrotik does not respond to problems.
 
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not sure if this shows up but this will solve my problem
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Much better but 10 x expensive than ubnt or mt :P This is not a solution in this point. You have not mount this for customer...

B5 is the best for PtP link, 1Gbps full duplex.

The same will do AF5xHD and will cheaper with antennas x2 :P
http://24.multimediahd.pl/pl/3-60ghz
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:41 am

mikrotik has caused me many problems and does not solve them. some things work well but many do not. We have lost a lot of time and money because of the mikrotik arm. If mikrotik does not want to solve the problem we have the right to look for arternatives. In my country it is considered scam to sell products that do not work. Also mikrotik does not respond to problems.
Everyone always has the free decision to buy anything. If a product does not work as *advertised* just give it back.

If you loose money using a product which is not developed further and does not work great ... it is your business decision. If you expect help from a vendor using his products this is your right. But a vendor is not committed to do this. Buy a cisco and call them for help. You will end up at sales offering you an expensive contract. If you want updates you need a contract.

So dont whine. Order equipment from a different vendor, test it and use it.

This nv2 situation is for so long now. Everybody whining *now* likes to whine or does not understand how to do his job. As you see this thread is still here and everybody is able to read and see the limitations.

Despite all of this: This is still a MT forum and not the presentation place for other vendors equipment. Just follow the board rules.
 
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:52 am

802.11ax may change things
802.11ax is useless without Software revolution, but with the delay they have had for AC, we would probably see AX in 2021, ROS 7 could be available.....

Why not discuss alternative? They don’t answer anything, so I think they don’t need to sell 802.11 Hardware anymore, and that is what I said more then 18 month ago, they did decide do only low cost Outdoor Wireless, and don’t invest time in Development.

Mikrotik is more going for routing, switching, Fiber not for wireless.
But doing such decision without telling customers is more than contempt
 
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802.11ax may change things
802.11ax is useless without Software revolution, but with the delay they have had for AC, we would probably see AX in 2021, ROS 7 could be available.....
Mikrotik despite doing not enough for nv2 was the first wisp vendor offering an .ac product. Problem with .ac and tdma protocols is that the common cpus are to weak. Vendors who offer better .ac experience for wisps do this by making HW modifications or complete other chipsets. MT uses what their favorite chipset vendors are offering. 802.11ax will have some stuff integrated into the chipset which will help wisps. So this might change things a bit. And as you see with 60GHz. Where are your favorite vendors there.
Why not discuss alternative? They don’t answer anything, so I think they don’t need to sell 802.11 Hardware anymore, and that is what I said more then 18 month ago, they did decide do only low cost Outdoor Wireless, and don’t invest time in Development.
Because it is a MT forum? Think of your users talking on your forum where to shop else.
Mikrotik is more going for routing, switching, Fiber not for wireless.
But doing such decision without telling customers is more than contempt
This is not the truth. Look at LHG60. And there is still place for MT 5GHz where it does not need to scale. Hardware is very reliable. And SW features are very good.
 
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:33 am

we need a day and hour that magical sw that all solution STE
 
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:50 pm

Mikrotik again sell beta / alpha products & promised to solve the problem fast. They lie again & play on time. Now after months can't send back because have only 14 days in my country for this. The only way to defend a good name is to fix it. No fix = no buy & black PR from me.

The first big lie and time game from mikrotik is the first generation of AC:
1)Still unstable if use IP firewall & priorities for WMM pure 802.11 (watch dog reboot sometimes)
2)Still NV2 works worse than older generation for 802.11N mode not AC !
3)Still no Spectral scan....

Better sell old good hardware like Cambium.
802.11N from mikrotik & NV2 works great & beast Vs noise from another networks.
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:08 pm

One more time no answer
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:02 pm

This is the end lalala (cit. Doors) ;-)
 
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:51 pm

Today I wrote for support that we ask their expression here on the forum
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:01 pm

If mikrotik request please honzam tell us.
 
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Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:37 pm

*) wireless - improved signal strength at low TX power on LHG 5 ac, LHG 5 ac XL and LDF 5 ac ("/system routerboard upgrade" required);
*) wireless - improved system stability for all ARM devices with wireless;

who has tested?
 
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Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:01 pm

I try. It is fake...
 
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Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:46 pm

Are you sure? :P
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:25 am

I actually bought a couple LHG60 ( claim: The LHG60 can do 1Gbps full duplex actual throughput (both directions 1Gbps at the same time) but only for shorter runs, like under 2KM. ) despite already having bad exp with LHG 5ac. So, Yeah as much as I can get I would like mikrotik but if Mikrotik will have issues it is unavoidable ( if it is not allowed please point me if there is any and I will gladly remove my post ) to discuss alternative products to replace the ones having issues.
 
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:22 pm

Are you sure? :P
Unfortunately, it is the truth. Also tested it on the LHG5 AC
 
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:56 pm

The worst is mikrotik silent
 
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Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:35 am

@Mikrotik does not solve the problem. Maybe it's time to try alternative software. Has anyone tried with other software?
 
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Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:38 am

@Mikrotik does not solve the problem. Maybe it's time to try alternative software. Has anyone tried with other software?
For ARM Hardware there is nothing.....
https://openwrt.tetaneutral.net/release ... x/generic/
 
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Sat Jan 12, 2019 4:26 pm

Maybe we should pay open wrt to create arm software. Mikrotik won't solve the problem
 
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Sat Jan 12, 2019 4:46 pm

Maybe we should pay open wrt to create arm software. Mikrotik won't solve the problem
Better buy new Hardware, and throw this low cost electronics away
 
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Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:47 pm

I think we should Will Be find a solution. We are better to mikrotik. We are very strong. We are the alternative to Big companies. We are democraticed internet. We are the future. If mikrotik can't solve this problem, we can solve it
 
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Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:51 am

Had the misfortune of buying some disclite5 AC units . Replaced deliberant APC units. Worst wireless choice I've ever made. 52db snr, endless dropouts.
Wish I had read this thread b4 buying.
I'm putting these units back in their boxes once the ubnt gear arrives tomorrow.
Stick to making routers mikrotik your arm radio gear isn't fit for sale.
 
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Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:34 am

I think we should Will Be find a solution. We are better to mikrotik. We are very strong. We are the alternative to Big companies. We are democraticed internet. We are the future. If mikrotik can't solve this problem, we can solve it
Unless it is a hardware limitation.
 
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Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:09 pm

At the end on Monday Im going to remove all my arm hardware it's too dificult for me and Too expensive but it's the solution. Bye Mikrotik see you in the hell...
 
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Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:26 pm

At the end on Monday Im going to remove all my arm hardware it's too dificult for me and Too expensive but it's the solution. Bye Mikrotik see you in the hell...
Dramatic. Phrasing on forums is realy dumb. Go to your local bakery and if they have old bread. Turn to the salesman and wish him to go to hell.
You kids are real world persons, are you ???
 
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Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:33 pm

Dramatic is how know that you have an unfix product you sale this product and generaté a Big damage in operator and clients. And the most dramatic is that you don't fix the problem in one year and still sale the product. Bakeries, supermarket and another shops don't sale bad product and if the sale bad product goberment punish them.
 
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Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:43 pm

if the sale bad product goberment punish them.
Pure quality stuff right here
 
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Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:57 pm

At the end on Monday Im going to remove all my arm hardware it's too dificult for me and Too expensive but it's the solution. Bye Mikrotik see you in the hell...

You made that promise earlier, why are you still here?

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=136002&p=693764#p693764
Five years working with @Mikrotik ... Today is the last day. It´s a pitty...
 
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Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:01 pm

This was the last day that i buy mikrotik product. I wait that they solve the problem. And them i need change my arm equipment
 
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Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:54 am

wow, I am in the customer service industry and even how irate the customer is, we were trained not to tell them to look for a solution elsewhere or tell them to do good on their threat...

I was expecting response to mfr476 would be:

Hi mfr476,

We apologize that the product is giving you such a headache. We understand your pain and currently we have our top techs on it. This issue has been escalated to our highest level. We already assigned 80% of our engineers to work on the issue.. Unfortunately, we are still looking for solutions. We currently are having issues with 1. ex. 2. ex 3. ex.. and If we still can't find a solution in another month we will be asking assistance from ________ ( a more exp company or engineer ) to solve the problem.

An update every now and then would be nice as it gives your customer a sense that you are indeed are working on the issue but is facing some roadblocks.

But that's just me.
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:29 pm

Seems to be company policy to not answer difficult topics and to play dead.
Potential customers are being replied to with product proposals, but whoever already bought is left behind.
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:33 pm

This is not a support forum. Even though I do work at MikroTik, officially this is a user forum, and I also mostly write my personal opinion, not MikroTik opinion.
Please contact MikroTik through official channels if you would like to get "customer support".

MikroTik is well aware of Nv2 issues with ARM devices, but they are not easy to solve, because new chipsets are fundamentally different and Nv2 was made in times when there were different chipsets, different wireless standards, and different requirements*. It's not clear yet, if the issues can be resolved, or when they can be resolved. MikroTik is still working on this issue.

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* see also: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=43612&p=219271&hilit=Nv2#p219271
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Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:55 pm

This is not a support forum. Even though I do work at MikroTik, officially this is a user forum, and I also mostly write my personal opinion, not MikroTik opinion.
Please contact MikroTik through official channels if you would like to get "customer support".

MikroTik is well aware of Nv2 issues with ARM devices, but they are not easy to solve, because new chipsets are fundamentally different and Nv2 was made in times when there were different chipsets, different wireless standards, and different requirements*. It's not clear yet, if the issues can be resolved, or when they can be resolved. MikroTik is still working on this issue.
Normis, thanks for reply. It started to look like you have been banned from commenting on this problem.
Yes, we can write for support but we will not know anything about this problem. Your (Mikrotik support) answer was that it will be soon resolved. Nobody responds to other my emails ... Problem still unresolved

If this problem is unsolvable (difficult to solve) you should have reported that all AC devices (ARM) do not support NV2. We would not buy them and did not solve it.
You solve this problem from 2017 and no result !!
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:20 pm

why mikrotik still buy arm if mikrotik know problem?
 
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Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:37 pm

Modern protocols are adequate and work really well without Nv2.
Nv2 is only needed if you have large legacy networks and need to add more devices to them.

The simple answer is that Nv2 is an old solution to an old problem, but modern CPUs are not compatible with it and don't really need it. We keep improving Nv2 for ARM, but there is only so much that can be done realistically. New versions are already better than it was.
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Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:43 pm

Modern protocols are adequate and work really well without Nv2.
Nv2 is only needed if you have large legacy networks and need to add more devices to them.

The simple answer is that Nv2 is an old solution to an old problem, but modern CPUs are not compatible with it and don't really need it. We need to make Nv3 or something else, because software fixes will not be 100% enough. We keep improving Nv2 for ARM, but there is only so much that can be done realistically. New versions are already better than it was.
Hi normis,

we all know about this, but why Mikrotik is stop selling SXTac Lite5, this device works in old networks.
We have much places where we are not able to deliver proper Service with 802.11 (Data + Voip)
we need a TDMA based System.

Will we see NV3?
 
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Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:02 pm

There are many reasons why older models can't be made anymore, and why new models have other types of chips, I can't go into that detail.
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Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:48 pm

When works fine 802.11 with ap mipsbe and cpe arm?
 
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Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:05 pm

There are many reasons why older models can't be made anymore, and why new models have other types of chips, I can't go into that detail.
There are other ways to resolve this, but they need new hardware.

For now you can use any outdoor devices with 802.11n (non AC), they are MIPS, for example LHG, LDF, SXT Lite series, SXTsq Lite series, Disc, Groove, Omnitik etc.
May be you could give some hope by talking on 802.11ax. As there are chipsets available I guess there is something in your labs.
 
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Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:09 pm

There are many reasons why older models can't be made anymore, and why new models have other types of chips, I can't go into that detail.
There are other ways to resolve this, but they need new hardware.

For now you can use any outdoor devices with 802.11n (non AC), they are MIPS, for example LHG, LDF, SXT Lite series, SXTsq Lite series, Disc, Groove, Omnitik etc.
May be you could give some hope by talking on 802.11ax. As there are chipsets available I guess there is something in your labs.
We need solutions fast not hope & future promes.
 
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Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:21 pm

Modern protocols are adequate and work really well without Nv2.
Nv2 is only needed if you have large legacy networks and need to add more devices to them.

The simple answer is that Nv2 is an old solution to an old problem, but modern CPUs are not compatible with it and don't really need it. We need to make Nv3 or something else, because software fixes will not be 100% enough. We keep improving Nv2 for ARM, but there is only so much that can be done realistically. New versions are already better than it was.
Hehe, that took some time (a year?) to finally get a clear say about this. :D
Even with all my previous posts and tests last year showing NV2 was outperformed by plain 802.11 (and nstreme) if properly configured still this words where never used....

Suggestion: Write a comment in the wireless wiki that in heavy congested, dense populated P2MP network it is best to use 802.11?
(And by the way, I don't see so much difference between misbe or arm units. Even the DiscLite 5Ghz ac unit delivers my 30Mbps package date to the client.)
Just done some test with an 7 client P2MP AP that has overlapping 40Mhz channel with other AP and could push an LHG-5ac together with a DISC-5ac to both some 40-45Mbps, each on its own easy to 100Mbps.
Done the same test with 80Mhz channel (overlapping 3 other AP's) and could both have running some 70-80 each or as a single user could get 180-190Mbps on both...
Total throughput over the AP (Netmetal with RF-elements horn) was some 130Mbps max in 40Mhz but touching 200Mbps on 80Mhz channel....
Networks are in full 'ac' mode. nstreme is almost the same. NV2 sucks... not even half the speeds..... no matter what config I try....

For now good enough for my 30 and 50Mb packages.

I have to admit some of my AP's won't do as good as this one. It's a complicate puzzle to get the best results and signals can only be -60/-65 at its worse. Aim is -50 and preferred is below that.....
(Where I used to have 70% SXT's in my network, most of these are replaced now either by DISC-ac or LHG-ac. 2 years ago -60 was good enough, -70 workable, -80 the limit.....
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:14 pm

Please @Mikrotik we only need that arm works in one protocolo very well, only one...
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:59 am

Please @Mikrotik we only need that arm works in one protocolo very well, only one...
Use csma + RTS/CTS and you're fine...
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:31 am

I think these could easily been avoided all by indicated in the spec sheet:

Model:
xxxxxxx
Transfer speed via wireless link ( ideal condition )
802 - 400mbps both directions TCP
nv2 -100mbps both directions TCP
nsextreme - 120mbps both directions TCP

something like that. Then the customers would have an informed decision basing on the information given and there will be no threads like this as it would simply be dismissed as " Slower speeds are due to the protocol overhead or it was already indicated in the spec sheets "
 
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:33 am

Please @Mikrotik we only need that arm works in one protocolo very well, only one...
Use csma + RTS/CTS and you're fine...
Please @Mikrotik we only need that arm works in one protocolo very well, only one...
Use csma + RTS/CTS and you're fine...
How can i use this with my equipment?
 
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Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:39 am

Please @Mikrotik we only need that arm works in one protocolo very well, only one...
Use csma + RTS/CTS and you're fine...
1)NV2 802.11N +NV2 @ 20Mhz 100 mbit/s from sector 20 clients.
2)Pure 802.11N +rts/cts @20Mhz 90-20 mbit/s sometimes UPLOAD rates are falling to 6Mbps latency spikes. Some clients lose 90% packet loss (sector 20 clients)

NV2 works great for 20Mhz channel it does not scale correctly for 40/60/80Mhz. For good TCP/IP one session speed need rly good SNR from AP side (collocation problem).

More about RTS/CTS are here https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 0715000129

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