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ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:25 pm
by bartmann
Hello,

we are experiencing problems with NV2 protocol and ARM devices (LHG AC, SXTsq AC, Disc AC). We have two testing setups:
1) PtP link with 2 LHGs AC (bridge mode, ROS 6.43rc29) - with 802.11 protocol we have 90/90 Mbps (download/upload) - limit of 100M ethernet on both ends, tested from x86 router to another x86 router (in between only two LHGs). When I changed to nv2 protocol (did not touch any other settings) throughput is not stable, as per image
LHG1_2_bw_test.png
2) PtMP - AP RB922, ROS 6.42.3, 7 clients. One of out technitians have his client device (SXT AC, ROS 6.41) and we mounted LHG AC (ROS 6.43rc14) next to it. Results:
20180522-client1.png
20180522-client2.png
We reported this problem to Mikrotik but no solution at the moment.

Does anyone have similar problems with ARM devices?

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:31 pm
by Ejcej
We have the same problem with SXTsq ac clients.
Fix it!

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:47 pm
by honzam
Because Disc lite5 have problems with radom viewtopic.php?f=3&t=134594&hilit=disc
now we use DISC lite5 AC and we have the same problems with NV2. We use NV2 on all sectors in our network. Low P2MP speeds (unstable) is very big problem.
ROS 6.42.4 not solve it !

P2P links with nv2 also works slow [Ticket#2018042522004921]
Ticket opened 25.4.2018 - no solution yet :-(

@Mikrotik When do you make the update for ARM? Thanks

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2018 2:52 am
by mistry7
This problem is know about 6 Month old, we sended all ARM ac devices back to Distribution and stock a lot of old ones.

Now we are seeing that SXT ac and SXT HG ac are out of stock at our distributions and another distri has removed them from shop, looks like these are going to be legacy’s.

But the bad news is that the new ones still not working!

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 7:14 am
by SeViLeo
Hi, we have the same problems with nv2 only, nstreme and other protocols work correctly

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:50 pm
by ecylcje
Hi,

Ignoring the performance issue on this, I have stability issues with ARM and NV2. On my SXT SQ AC box my NV2 link stays up for about 3 to 4 days and then the entire system reboots. I believe this was meant to be fixed with 6.42.4, but it obviously still seems to be happening.

Anyone else having this issue with ARM and NV2?

Thanks,

Chris

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:24 pm
by server8
I confirm the problem, here a print screen on the same AP an LDF with better signal as worst perfomance than an old lite 5 N.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:30 pm
by server8
any update? ARM devices are not usable at the moment in the next months we have to deploy something like 200 new customers and we need a solutions that wokrs like SXT 5 lite ac

Thank you

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:06 pm
by honzam
Solution?
Mikrotik?

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:25 am
by server8
Maybe is an hardware problem: NV2 needs an accurate timing and the bad performance seems to be caused from antenna loosing the Nv2 slot. It's not an RF hardware related problem beacuse it work with 802.11/nestreme.

No words from mikrotik and no old SXT AC lite available it's pain for me :-(

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:14 pm
by vicentnb1
Maybe is an hardware problem: NV2 needs an accurate timing and the bad performance seems to be caused from antenna loosing the Nv2 slot. It's not an RF hardware related problem beacuse it work with 802.11/nestreme.

No words from mikrotik and no old SXT AC lite available it's pain for me :-(
Yeah, NV2 doesn't work with 802.11AC :(

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:18 pm
by server8
memento :-)

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:03 am
by server8
Hi guys it's not a joke SXT AC lite is no more available and new arm hardware with NV2 don't work.

Mikrotik please let know us something

HELP :-(

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:05 am
by normis
I confirm the problem, here a print screen on the same AP an LDF with better signal as worst perfomance than an old lite 5 N.
What if you compare it with ARM and 802.11 protocol (not NV2), what is the speed then?

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:04 pm
by server8
Normis in 802.11 works like a charm :-)

In NV2 seems that antenna has timing problem loosing the slot

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:05 pm
by normis
then why use Nv2 if you have better speed than non-ARM with nv2 ?
Nv2 was made when devices were different and needed optimisations that are no longer needed. Maybe it is simply time to use 802.11 in the new devices.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:19 pm
by Kickoleg
then why use Nv2 if you have better speed than non-ARM with nv2 ?
Nv2 was made when devices were different and needed optimisations that are no longer needed. Maybe it is simply time to use 802.11 in the new devices.
you want to say if I have all devices in network in NV2, I need to switch to 802.11 ? You understand what you give bad answer ?
After your answer, I think many have the thought that you can not just make a correction of errors. you release a notoriously bad devices and you cannot change errrors...

Very very bad answer and very very bad devices lately ....

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:21 pm
by normis
I understand that mixed network might have compatibility problems, you have a good point. Have you considered to switch them all to 802.11 and seeing if you don't get better results than Nv2 ?

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:20 pm
by server8
Normis 802.11 is not efficient like NV2 in noisy enviroment and on busy AP and it not solve the problem of hidden nodes. Are you saying us to switch to 802.11 when you released some months a go GREAT improvments to NV2? WOW I am without words....

We install something like 800/1000 new customers per year and we need to have back an antenna that work well with NV2.

Nv2 is the core of our business for many of us we can't switch to 802.11!!!

Please give us back the SXT lite 5 AC

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:23 pm
by normis
I am trying to give you realistic alternatives until ARM doesn't work as fast as other systems.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:41 pm
by server8
Normis we need it urgently we have no more stock and we need 200 for the next 2 months

You are killing small WISP that developed the access network using NV2

Our competitors uses ubiquiti and they not have this kind of problem we have no chance to install new customers so we 'll loose market, it's a disaster

PANIC!!!!

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:08 pm
by Hammy
then why use Nv2 if you have better speed than non-ARM with nv2 ?
Nv2 was made when devices were different and needed optimisations that are no longer needed. Maybe it is simply time to use 802.11 in the new devices.
Has Mikrotik thrown in the towel on outdoor wireless?

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:09 pm
by normis
We are working on the solution, I am simply asking to evaluate situation when using 802.11 and then see if Nv2 is needed at all. If not, you can already expand your network. If yes, wait for the fix please.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:14 pm
by Kickoleg
Normis we need it urgently we have no more stock and we need 200 for the next 2 months

You are killing small WISP that developed the access network using NV2

Our competitors uses ubiquiti and they not have this kind of problem we have no chance to install new customers so we 'll loose market, it's a disaster

PANIC!!!!
Absolutely agree! We, too, the whole business is built on this, and at first the problem with the devices "DISC" that burst like popcorn, 40 devices for 2 months were dead, and now - this problem with the new antennas. Just awful ....

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:11 pm
by mistry7
More then a year ago I sayed, wisp Outdoor wireless is not longer main focus for Mikrotik, and look where we are now

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:10 pm
by server8
Nv2 improvments and 60GHZ gears says that there is a new hope :-)

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 4:04 pm
by nz_monkey
Nv2 improvments and 60GHZ gears says that there is a new hope :-)
60Ghz progress is amazing.

In 5Ghz I am very hopeful we can see NV2 matching AirMAX and AIP performance.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 4:08 pm
by server8
I agree but we need ARM devices working now or old sxt lite ac hardware back now on the market.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 4:23 pm
by mistry7
I agree but we need ARM devices working now or old sxt lite ac hardware back now on the market.
We don´t have time for hope......
The Business is changing fast, and with devices that are 6 Month old and still in "Beta" we can´t do business case, or what did you think?

60Ghz Devices are great, but there are a lot of old cases

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 5:23 pm
by avacha
I am trying to give you realistic alternatives
UBNT? :lol: :D :lol:
If serious, we switch some sectors with SXTsq CPEs to 802.11 until nv2 will be ready again. But it's difficult to manage mixed network, and we have small access network for now.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 7:01 pm
by server8
We work in very noisy enviroment using QRT or SXT AC as AP, every client has SXT + 60cm offset dish. The main problem for us is the hidden nodes. In peak time with 802.11 we have serius problems with collisions with clients sometime dropping connection on the AP, nstreme works better than 802.11 but the best for busy AP (30/40 clients) is NV2. We reach 60 max 70 mb/s per AP.

So we need NV2 working on ARM devices

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2018 11:06 am
by xrayd
@Normis
When will NetMetal 5 with AC wave2 chip come out?
We need AP with 4 or 6 outputs!!!

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2018 11:30 am
by server8
arayd before we need to have working arm antennas :-)

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2018 11:51 am
by xrayd
We have X-Pol 90° MIMO Sector Antennas!!
http://www.l-com.com/wireless-antenna-5 ... or-antenna

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2018 11:52 am
by normis
We are close to a solution to the Nv2+ARM performance issue, please hold on for a day or two, when we will release the changes in RC release chain, for first testing.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2018 12:30 pm
by linkwave
That's a good news Normis! :)

Lorenzo

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:39 am
by server8
Great news :-)
Thank You

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:50 pm
by mistry7
Great news :-)
Thank You
I believe it only when i see it.....

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 12:36 am
by wpeople
Why not do some improvements with nstreme (the old one) ?
In noisy environment it works better than nv2 in many cases... If it works well with arm, why not?
(at least until NV2 got fixed)

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 1:58 pm
by yreks
Why not do some improvements with nstreme (the old one) ?
In noisy environment it works better than nv2 in many cases... If it works well with arm, why not? 
(at least until NV2 got fixed)
I agree

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 11:52 pm
by honzam
We are close to a solution to the Nv2+ARM performance issue, please hold on for a day or two, when we will release the changes in RC release chain, for first testing.
When? We wait for it half year.... :)

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:58 am
by server8
Hi Normis any news 2 days are gone :-)

Thanks

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:21 pm
by joserudi
New 6.43rc44 (Release candidate) but nothing to do. :(

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:53 pm
by honzam
Hi Normis any news 2 days are gone :-)
Thanks
Very LONG days :-)

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:23 pm
by mistry7
easy for us, the saw the issue in Q1-18
and it happened nothing, we send back all arm devices, now our mikrotik stock is empty no new MISPBE,
and we begin to buy other vendors, since MT has no working solution for us.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:08 am
by normis
We did make changes, tested them, they were not enough, so we continue testing, so that the release has a bigger impact. We want the fix to be good for everyone.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:30 pm
by wpeople
Normis, is there a way, to do some improvement in Nstreme as well? Or Mikrotik fixed that as a Dead end?

Many times its working much better than NV2...

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:56 am
by server8
Normis any eta? days, weeks, months?

We have no more stock of old sxt and we stopped to install new customers but we can't wait for a long time :-(

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:13 am
by mistry7
@server8

Would be fixed in ROS 7

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:19 pm
by server8
@mistry7

I hope sooner alternately I have to search for a new job in my area competitors uses ubiquiti and they non have this kind of problem :-(

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:38 pm
by mistry7
buy UBNT or Mimosa, do the same as your competitor....
Use Mikrotik for Routing and something else for Wireless ....

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:17 pm
by steen
Hello Folks!

Any solutions yet ?

We could not upgrade higher than RoS6.41.3, except for wired devices like routers and switches, all versions after simply renders 802.11 and NV2 to useless, nstreme is not tested.
We have a lot of SXT, SEXTANT, RB411 plus some other variants and lately also QRT-5, Dynadish5.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:43 pm
by wpeople
The issue above only affects AC (or ARM / AC ?) devices I think.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:43 pm
by mistry7
The issue above only affects AC (or ARM / AC ?) devices I think.
It affects ARM Based AC devices, MISPBE Devices are legacy now, you can only buy residues

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:19 pm
by normis
rc45 contains Nv2+ARM fix. It will be released within the next 24 hours.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:44 pm
by server8
Thanks a lot :-)

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:55 pm
by steen
Hello Normis!

When will the fix come to "current" ?

It is not affecting only AC.

It affects also 802.11abgn

And NV2, using 20MHz bandwidth with classic RN52 wifi boards in RB411 which is so common in our links here...

Network links simply stalls after little traffic and the devices becomes so loaded they are not possible to login to anymore.
Rollback becomes tricky, at least for remote wireless CPE devices, you need to bring them home and netinstall them for a rollback.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:07 pm
by steen
The issue above only affects AC (or ARM / AC ?) devices I think.
It affects ARM Based AC devices, MISPBE Devices are legacy now, you can only buy residues
We have a lot of MIPSBE devices in production for the past ten years, cycling them out is in progress but it will take long time, we replace only failed devices.
So a fix for MIPSBE would be nice, however they work with 6.41.X and bug fix only, and we will not hesitate to update anything that works.
Just hoped to being able getting more performance out of NV2.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 4:02 am
by nz_monkey
rc45 contains Nv2+ARM fix. It will be released within the next 24 hours.

Thanks Normis. Great effort from the team at Mikrotik.

I am looking forward to testing NV2+ARM performance on the OmniTIK 5 PoE ac2 ;)

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 12:36 am
by djvolt1942
LHG 5 AC the same, we're waiting for successfull improvements like in AirMax, PBE 300 ISO can send more than 250Mbps i 40MHz channel!!!

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 12:56 am
by mistry7
LHG 5 AC the same, we're waiting for successfull improvements like in AirMax, PBE 300 ISO can send more than 250Mbps i 40MHz channel!!!
You will never see this in MT

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 12:59 am
by djvolt1942
Why do not you believe in them? :P

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:38 am
by mistry7
Why do not you believe in them? :P
They don’t in competition to UBNT, there are only low cost 5ghz / 2 GHz Devices, with Cheapest chipsets, and a lot of missing features in ROS over years...
I don’t believe that there ist a Business Case for WISP Hardware in Mikrotik Future...

We tested recently a 5km link with RF Elements TP 550 Dishes
Mikrotik M11g + R11e-5HacD
Rocket PRISM 5ac Gen2
Mimosa C5C

And the worst thing in Latency, Spectral usability, and Transferspeed you could buy is Mikrotik

One light in the Tunnel is LHG60 but it needs better Design....
Better Pole Mount with precision adjustment
Solid Dish with Randome for better rain/snow survival

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 10:33 am
by djvolt1942
Mimosa C5c is better thank MT or UBNT?

About LHG60 please check our dishes and radom or please check post like LHG60 on Hawaii, we have all for LHG60 that you write :)

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 11:08 am
by mistry7
Mimosa C5c is better thank MT or UBNT?

About LHG60 please check our dishes and radom or please check post like LHG60 on Hawaii, we have all for LHG60 that you write :)
Mimosa is special case......
Sometime UBNT works better sometime Mimosa, depends on Spectrum, Mimosa is great for P2P if you deliver Voice-Service.
The Latency on Mimosa is 100% stable..... great TDMA implementation....

If seen the Dome und Mount from my Polish Friend, but why did MT no deliver something like that?
The engineers were in hibernation?
I Think there is only one Reason, LowCost!
And it ended in the Software mess we are now, ARM 5 Ghz Devices are now available for 7 Month, and there is still no solution.
CAP AC Performe better with the latest Software, but it is still behind competitors Performance.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 12:48 pm
by xrayd
6.43rc45 release!!!

who already tested??

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 12:51 pm
by normis
rc45
*) wireless - improved Nv2 reliability on ARM devices;

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 1:35 pm
by joserudi
Version 6.43rc45 has been released.

*) wireless - improved Nv2 reliability on ARM devices;

The first point-to-point tests with nv2 on arm are not satisfactory. We will perform more tests

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:09 pm
by bartmann
We did some testing - the results are better than before but 802.11 is still more reliable and faster... Reported to Mikrotik

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:33 pm
by server8
Little bit better but the issue still present it misses the NV2 slot
Please Normis let us know if the issue could be resolved
Thank you

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:00 am
by normis
Little bit better but the issue still present it misses the NV2 slot
Please Normis let us know if the issue could be resolved
Thank you
Give us more details, what is not working. The RC contains a fix for the issue, that helps a lot of people, so if it doesn't help you, please post specifically what is wrong, what signal you have etc.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:08 pm
by joserudi
Hi, in my case with a good signal on arm when going from 802.11 or nstreme to nv2 the level of ccq falls and the link appears at 6mbps. It goes back up to 90% and then falls again continuously when passing traffic. In 802.11 or nstreme it is stable.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:56 pm
by mistry7
Hi, in my case with a good signal on arm when going from 802.11 or nstreme to nv2 the level of ccq falls and the link appears at 6mbps. It goes back up to 90% and then falls again continuously when passing traffic. In 802.11 or nstreme it is stable.
Thats not the case
Throughput and latency are the problem
but until we removed all ARM i´m not able to test in real environment

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:04 pm
by server8
We have exactly the same problem, for some reason seems that the arm device go out of NV2 slot.

Here a speedtest from 2 clients on the same AP, the AC device is stable the arm device no, 20 Mhz channel dynamic downlink, tdma period size 4ms, ac device has a worst signal than arm



Hi, in my case with a good signal on arm when going from 802.11 or nstreme to nv2 the level of ccq falls and the link appears at 6mbps. It goes back up to 90% and then falls again continuously when passing traffic. In 802.11 or nstreme it is stable.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:06 pm
by normis
...

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:54 pm
by xrayd
@server8
This problem occurs only with AC band?
Or too with N band?

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 4:51 pm
by server8
In N same issue

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 8:22 am
by human1982
It is better. N 911G to sq ping is stable and stable 100mbit to sq. But. For waiting i thing u should give level 4 for all devices for micro bases. As other folks told ya, to much time waiting. Seriosly. Fix downlink- 65 mcs default, tdma auto.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 8:30 am
by human1982
Do U folks have a test base room for abaut 50-80 cpe like cambium? It would be much eisier to do tests. Best regards from Poland.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:22 pm
by server8
We have 6000 cpe deployed 98% mikrotik based we have a lot of experience with wireless.

Arm devices issue seem to be a timing problem with NV2 every new arm device you add you have exponential increase of problems on the AP, it's a big problem on busy AP

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:24 pm
by server8
Normis any words from mikrotik?

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:39 pm
by normis
Do U folks have a test base room for abaut 50-80 cpe like cambium? It would be much eisier to do tests. Best regards from Poland.
Yes, of course. We have multiple anechoic chambers with robotic installation stands with tens of CPEs mounted. Seems that some situations are simply unique

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 3:16 pm
by amt
Normis, is there a way, to do some improvement in Nstreme as well? Or Mikrotik fixed that as a Dead end?

Many times its working much better than NV2...

I agree

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 3:47 pm
by xrayd
I too!
We need nstreme without disconnects!

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2018 8:48 am
by mistry7
I don’t think you will see anything from Mikrotik in Wireless Market, Wireless is dead end, FTTH is future, look at the Products MT is releasing, look at KidControl.

Thinks you will not see:

- GPS Sync
- Spectral Scan
- TDMA Protocol like competitor have
With small Latency and high throughputs

There are no innovations for a long time, ROS is just patched around it.
For us Mikrotik is in dead end with Kernel 3.xx.xx


The way you could go is not longer stay with MT, or waiting for Christmas

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2018 4:04 am
by human1982
Do U folks have a test base room for abaut 50-80 cpe like cambium? It would be much eisier to do tests. Best regards from Poland.
Yes, of course. We have multiple anechoic chambers with robotic installation stands with tens of CPEs mounted. Seems that some situations are simply unique
So maybe some tests with the agressive ap on the same channel. And little more precision on fix downlink to cpe. Cpu on bridge can handle it.

regards

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2018 4:24 am
by human1982
I too!
We need nstreme without disconnects!
Nstreme works fine in 15 times hardware retries and dis timeout 00:00:15 long guard msc11-12-13. But i thing with ac nv2 1ms it would be stable 200mbit. When? ;)

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:02 pm
by xrayd
@humen1982
your recommendation does not help!
After 2 days disconnect again!!!

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 4:18 pm
by xrayd
What is your nstreme Framer Policy? best fit?
Framer Limit? 3200?

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:30 pm
by honzam
Do U folks have a test base room for abaut 50-80 cpe like cambium? It would be much eisier to do tests. Best regards from Poland.
Yes, of course. We have multiple anechoic chambers with robotic installation stands with tens of CPEs mounted. Seems that some situations are simply unique
Hello. Are you working still on ARM and NV2? Or it is for you "solved" ? In 6.43rc?
Thanks

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:42 pm
by joserudi
I hope you have not considered it resolved because it still does not work. It's a pity being such a good product that it does not work. Finally we will have to return several units.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:16 pm
by mistry7
I hope you have not considered it resolved because it still does not work. It's a pity being such a good product that it does not work. Finally we will have to return several units.

Your Problem would be that older SXT AC / Lite AC / HG AC are not longer available.....
And after 8 month of "Yes we would fix it in next RC"
These are the Solutions:

1. Buy SXTsq with N Only instead of AC (doesn't ARM based)
2. Look for used ones
3. Buy another vendor

shame on mikrotik,

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:25 pm
by server8
I 'd like to understand if we have a chance or we have to quit with mikortik for wireless outdoor :-(

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:17 am
by PacketMangle
Hello All,

Has this issue been fixed? As there seems to be conflicting reports.

Thanks!

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:28 am
by mistry7
Not fixed

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:43 pm
by wispman74
Hello All,
as most of you I also have several problem using mikrotik arm ac devices. I'm testing a 12km bridge with a couple of LHG XL 5 ac configured to make a ptp link. They comes with ROS v. 6.40.3 and this version didn't work at all. Since then most problems was fixed in later versions, but not all. I performed many tests and sent to Mikrotik support. They answered each mail, but unfortunately I have no explaination of problems (software or hardware?) and no solution. Now I want share with you my results, testing 6.43RC45 in a clean environment. Summarizing:

- 802.11n gives always the best performances compared to any other mode and protocol (NV2 / AC)
- without other sources of interference, NV2 is close to 802.11n performances (but in a noisy environment 802.11 is better)
- on some frequences the signal strenght falls by 10dB (from -65 to -75). Why?
- on some frequences the bandwidth test shows a periodic up and down behaviour (5620, 5660, 5680) Why?

like many of you, I'm also worried about the situation, since I have to put twenty bridges and I do not have a reliable device yet. I hope the solution will arrive soon. Any predictions Mikrotik?

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 10:13 pm
by mistry7
Try Mimosa C5C for P2P as Antenna we use RF Elements UltraDish 400 / 550

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 11:05 pm
by honzam
Try Mimosa C5C for P2P as Antenna we use RF Elements UltraDish 400 / 550
Nice solution :) but only for P2P.
But we need clients for our network based on NV2. No products based on N are on the market now (disc, lhg, sxt) in Czech republic. Only AC harware is now on the market. So we need to use AC harware. Stalemate... :(

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 11:33 pm
by mistry7
In the next step
We will try Mimosa for P2MP

This Link we build yesterday
C5C , 5km , 27dBi, 5800 @ 36 dBm
-61 at Both sides
- 40 MHz

310MBit real TCP testet with iperf
Ping Never over 8ms (with max load, without 1ms)

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:22 pm
by lyvio
Hello everyone! We are following this topic from the beginning because we also use ARM equipment in our network.

We have this link of about 1km.

Using NV2 protocol, the results are pretty bad.

Already with the 80211 protocol, we achieved a better performance.

Hugs to all.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:24 pm
by wispman74
Hi all,
I performed a test on anoter ptp link (1km) using two SXTsq 5 ac. Ther's no way to use NV2, the link drops every 5 minutes. Only 802.11 seems to work.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:57 pm
by mistry7
Hi all,


No Answer from MT in the last 2 weeks,
we have no hope for next RC´s, problem is known for 8 Month now, and only ARM based AC devices available.

we have to build some new Sectors, looks like we have no another solution as use UBNT or Mimosa.
We don´t won´t to stick at a/n.

mistry7

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 12:37 pm
by server8
Any update?

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 3:29 pm
by honzam
I hope Mikrotik works to improve ...

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 5:37 am
by binh
Hi all,
I performed a test on anoter ptp link (1km) using two SXTsq 5 ac. Ther's no way to use NV2, the link drops every 5 minutes. Only 802.11 seems to work.
Hi wispman74,
How many Mbps could you get for PTP link (1km) with 802.11 protocol?

Ping latency between SXTsq 5 ac devices?

Thanks!

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 11:03 am
by mistry7
Hi all,
I performed a test on anoter ptp link (1km) using two SXTsq 5 ac. Ther's no way to use NV2, the link drops every 5 minutes. Only 802.11 seems to work.
Hi wispman74,
How many Mbps could you get for PTP link (1km) with 802.11 protocol?

Ping latency between SXTsq 5 ac devices?

Thanks!
depends on noise and EIRP, if you are in noise area, don't buy Mikrotik go with something shielded and with GPS sync...

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 11:05 am
by mistry7
For the other Questions.......
- wait for ARM fix
- wait for spectral scan
- wait for ROS 7

or change Brand......

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 12:27 am
by wispman74
Hi binh,
sorry, but unfortunately there is another issue on my bridge. For some reason I can't perform bandwidth test, ping or access winbox from the wifi side. I noticed that service ports, in Firewall menu are all red. I hope it is not a RouterOS bug, but a wrong configuration. At the moment I can't figure out what is wrong.
Any suggestion is appreciate.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:04 am
by binh
@mistry7: thanks for your advisory and information.

@wispman74: I think you got the problem with configuration. Lockup MikroTik wiki for how to configure PTP with MikroTik devices.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 1:10 pm
by steen
For the other Questions.......
- wait for ARM fix
- wait for spectral scan
- wait for ROS 7

or change Brand......
We pationally wait! :-), but as with everything one can not wait forever, currently we have very few customers affected, maybe 2-3.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 1:49 pm
by server8
Any update?

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:43 pm
by wispman74
@mistry7: thanks for your advisory and information.

@wispman74: I think you got the problem with configuration. Lockup MikroTik wiki for how to configure PTP with MikroTik devices.
Hi binh,
thankyou for your advice, but this is not the first ptp I configured (tens before now), but is the third using ARM devices and I foud a lot of problems not only regarding nv2 and wifi connection.
I had to replace my ptp with another using MIPSE devices and everything gone well as always before.
Now I tested again the ARM ptp to understand why with the same configuration I have bad behaviour.
What happen is that sometimes, after finished to configure the devices, it becomes invisible from winbox. The reason is that RouterOS change itself the default value of neighbor discovery-settings.
Also, I was not able to reach master from slave and viceversa and I couldn't start a bandwidth test without any apparent reason.
After reset configuration and did it again, everything start to work fine.
I like Mikrotik, but is really unbeliveable to see so much issues in new ARM devices. Is it possible Mikrotik didn't see them during their tests?

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:28 pm
by mistry7
@mistry7: thanks for your advisory and information.

@wispman74: I think you got the problem with configuration. Lockup MikroTik wiki for how to configure PTP with MikroTik devices.
Hi binh,
thankyou for your advice, but this is not the first ptp I configured (tens before now), but is the third using ARM devices and I foud a lot of problems not only regarding nv2 and wifi connection.
I had to replace my ptp with another using MIPSE devices and everything gone well as always before.
Now I tested again the ARM ptp to understand why with the same configuration I have bad behaviour.
What happen is that sometimes, after finished to configure the devices, it becomes invisible from winbox. The reason is that RouterOS change itself the default value of neighbor discovery-settings.
Also, I was not able to reach master from slave and viceversa and I couldn't start a bandwidth test without any apparent reason.
After reset configuration and did it again, everything start to work fine.
I like Mikrotik, but is really unbeliveable to see so much issues in new ARM devices. Is it possible Mikrotik didn't see them during their tests?
WISP hardware is not longer Focus for Mikrotik, look at Switches / Routers they release in the past 6 Month....... Hap Ac2 without POE out, SXTsq, LHG and all new
AC devices are build on Low Cost Platform, all with the same chipset, not features are the skill, only price.....
look at "KidControl" etc, these are thinks important for MT but not working P2P in noisy places and P2MP with much Clients....
And now really new, CWDM Hardware

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 12:50 pm
by server8
@Normis

I need an answer: NV2 arm devices 'll work with NV2? If yes when?

If no we 'll have new AC hardware full compatible with NV2? If yes when?

We have 6000 CPE with 200 AP all mikrotik based switch to a new vendor is a big problem.

I hope to have soon an answer I have to decide how to build new towers.

Thank You in advance Giuseppe

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:27 am
by mistry7
this discussion will be the same as the one about Spectral Scan

A never ending story


we do not like ubiquiti but we change, because Mikrotik does not give any information about the further development. the next standard is coming up and the previous one is supported only rudimentarily. All my competitors have Spectral Scan, GPS Sync, working TDMA, to stay competitive we need that too, MT has none of that!

a Mimosa C5C in PTP mode, 40 MHz channel, modulation @ 400MBit over 5.5km with 27dBi Dishes from RF elements with max EIRP of 36 dBm, means about 280-290 MBit real TCP (iperf and 2 Laptops), for a short test we swapped the C5Cs against MT (RBM11 G + R11e-5HacD + shielded twist port adaptor) same channel same 40 MHz, same 36dBm, modulation varies between 324 and 400, with Iperf was only 170-180 MBit possible, with Nv2 even less.

Mikrotik has lost there competitors and is standing alone in the dark, and I believe more and more that it is there new Business case, go away from wisp wireless, but they don’t say it, they just go with low cost devices for costumers who don’t need speeds above 100MBIT, for selling 5 or 10 MBit plans, you don’t need any innovation......

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:20 am
by Kabuh
Wisp with around 1000 clients here.

We are planning to installa new tower with 6 Netmetal on 2 triple pannels to migrate around 100 CPEs, using new Disc Lite AC (drm), and after reading all the problems posted here, we are really thinking it over.
It's a very noisy scenario and we really need NV2 to get it working.
Last routeros version 6.43rc66 (2018-Aug-28 13:36) says this:
*) wireless - improved Nv2 reliability on ARM devices
Is this statement real? Can we trust that Mikrotik will fix this really BIG problem? Or should we return the allready aquired Mikrotik equipment and switch to another vendor?

Thanks in advance and excuse my poor english.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:46 pm
by wpeople
can't really believe NV2 is the best choice in noisy area...
Every time i have interference issues and degraded thruput - its much better after switching to nstreme...

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 6:59 pm
by mistry7
Wisp with around 1000 clients here.

We are planning to installa new tower with 6 Netmetal on 2 triple pannels to migrate around 100 CPEs, using new Disc Lite AC (drm), and after reading all the problems posted here, we are really thinking it over.
It's a very noisy scenario and we really need NV2 to get it working.
Last routeros version 6.43rc66 (2018-Aug-28 13:36) says this:
*) wireless - improved Nv2 reliability on ARM devices
Is this statement real? Can we trust that Mikrotik will fix this really BIG problem? Or should we return the allready aquired Mikrotik equipment and switch to another vendor?

Thanks in advance and excuse my poor english.
nv2 and nstreme are not working with ARM based Devices

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 1:01 pm
by wispman74
@Normis

hundreds of WISP are in trouble cause of Mikrotik new devices and no answer comes from you. We would all appreciate a few words of explanation, because to be silent means to admit the existence of big problems that can not be solved, it means to say to everyone "Mikrotik is not the right product for you, change brand!". This is really frustrating for those who have invested and believed in Mikrotik for years and it is unthinkable that you want to give up the WISP market. Please let us know what's going on and what should we expect. Thank you

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 1:46 pm
by mistry7
@wispman74

Don´t expect any answer, with the last "tries" to fix the issue we see that it is not an easy one.
That happened if you go with Low end chipsets.

I´m wondering the RB4011 hast QCA-9984 as Chipset, and not another IPQ Variant.
Hopefully we see support for QCA 9888 too, so we are able to use M11G with Wave2
Modules and if we are lucky with working nv2 Support.


Ruckus hast first AP with IPQ8074 (Enterprise 802.11ax)
When will Mikrotik start with 802.11ax?
In 2 Years, with old Kernel and bad driver support?
Or was 802.11ac Mikrotiks Windows Vista, and there is some moving forward with

- Newest Linux kernel
- Driver near ATh10k (speed, compatibility, chipset support)
- Channel width 5 / 10 / 30/ 60Mhz
- TDMA Protocol (maybe NV3)
- GPS Sync

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 2:29 pm
by honzam
There is a very welcome answer from Mikrotik. Can you comment the "ARM and NV2" situation?
@Normis - Or do you have a ban on answering this topic?

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 7:15 pm
by Alessio Garavano
Hi, we are hope for this solution... tested in a LHG 5ac with version 6.43rc66 is better with nstreme than NV2...

Come on MT guys, you are the best!

Regards,

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:36 am
by server8
The 5 Ghz outdoor wireless market is too big to lose it.. There are thousand of WISP using MT worldwide we have 200 MT routers and 6000 MT CPE the difference beetween the 2 markets is huge.

@Normis please an answer give us info to continue our business also if the news are bad and we have to move to other vendors for wireless.

Thank You

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 10:49 pm
by Matess
I think we are waiting for a solution for a really long time now. We started to change PtP link for ubnt as soon as 400iso came out. It works so much better than anything from mikrotik. Last week we changed some 911+jrc24dBi for iso400 and few lhg5 for litebeams and in the same channel throughput went up 4 times. Only think that keeps us with mikrotik are clients. It is hard to migrate everything. But i think thats only a matter of time when we do that...

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:11 pm
by mistry7
The 5 Ghz outdoor wireless market is too big to lose it.. There are thousand of WISP using MT worldwide we have 200 MT routers and 6000 MT CPE the difference beetween the 2 markets is huge.

@Normis please an answer give us info to continue our business also if the news are bad and we have to move to other vendors for wireless.

Thank You
If you sell 5/10/15MBit plans, you should stay with MT we sell 50/100/200MBit plans, and this is impossible with MT
We are Surprised, 802.11ad clients with fast Ethernet, there are some engineers sleeping at work.....
They better thinking about combined 5Ghz/60 GHz Devices with GE and SFP, but this they want to sell at 2020 as big new solution ....

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 1:14 pm
by wpeople
Nowdays a truck-roll, or 1-2hour of manwork more expensive than those device.
So i think most of us happily pay a few percent more, if the capacitor's lifetime much longer, and the chip is working well with software.

Please don't save few bucks in these! :-)

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:27 pm
by 2jarek
6.43 Works only for TDMA period size 1ms. Try 3-5ms = disaster. Hardware driver/chipset/clock problem.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:26 am
by Alessio Garavano
We have a LHG 5ac(Level4) like backbone concentrator of 4 others towers with LHG 5XL, Sextant-G, SXTsq, SXTsq... all are in a sector of 10° and the most longest link is at only 7km... all in band 5Ghz-only-N

We tested NV2 in TDMA 1ms, 2ms, 3ms, 4ms, auto, dynamic-downlink, fixed-downlink, etc etc and nothing was better then Nstreme...

Now the max troughput total is 80Mbps of uplink to theses others towers, before with a Sextant-G(Level4) in NV2 in the place of the LHG 5ac the traffic was 120-150Mbps...

Tomorrow i go up to the top of the tower to change back to the old Sextant-G... hoping NV2 and 802.11ac work fine in a near future

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:56 am
by mistry7
Now the max troughput total is 80Mbps of uplink to theses others towers, before with a Sextant-G(Level4) in NV2 in the place of the LHG 5ac the traffic was 120-150Mbps...

Tomorrow i go up to the top of the tower to change back to the old Sextant-G... hoping NV2 and 802.11ac work fine in a near future
NV2 Never Performs good in ac, and there are no Informations why, all our old 802.11n
P2P links are performing better with old Hardware, until we began to use another Vendor too.

With Mimosa and UBnT we are seeing speed increases about 3-4 times
with same Channel / Width / Interferrence.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:31 am
by wispman74
Now the max troughput total is 80Mbps of uplink to theses others towers, before with a Sextant-G(Level4) in NV2 in the place of the LHG 5ac the traffic was 120-150Mbps...

Tomorrow i go up to the top of the tower to change back to the old Sextant-G... hoping NV2 and 802.11ac work fine in a near future
NV2 Never Performs good in ac, and there are no Informations why, all our old 802.11n
P2P links are performing better with old Hardware, until we began to use another Vendor too.

With Mimosa and UBnT we are seeing speed increases about 3-4 times
with same Channel / Width / Interferrence.
Hi mistry7,
what does you mean exactly when you say 3-4 times? I understand you compared mikrotik with ubiquiti/mimosa with same frequency/width/interference. What about TX power, antenna gain, MIMO type, test in udp or tcp?
If everything is the same for two vendors and you are working using 802.11n, to reach 4 times mikrotik speed, means you have 75Mbps with Mikrotik and 300Mbps with other vendors.
Is that correct?

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:52 pm
by server8
My experience says that with Ubiquiti AF in PtP we have from 2 to 4 times speed, in PtMP with the recent improvments mikrotik in NV2@20Mhz is from 10% to 20% slower than Ubiquiti but still acceptable. @40Mhz Miktotik ac hardware don't work well.

But the main problem is that new arm devices don't work with NV2 and we come back to N mipsbe

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:52 pm
by mistry7
Now the max troughput total is 80Mbps of uplink to theses others towers, before with a Sextant-G(Level4) in NV2 in the place of the LHG 5ac the traffic was 120-150Mbps...

Tomorrow i go up to the top of the tower to change back to the old Sextant-G... hoping NV2 and 802.11ac work fine in a near future
NV2 Never Performs good in ac, and there are no Informations why, all our old 802.11n
P2P links are performing better with old Hardware, until we began to use another Vendor too.

With Mimosa and UBnT we are seeing speed increases about 3-4 times
with same Channel / Width / Interferrence.
Hi mistry7,
what does you mean exactly when you say 3-4 times? I understand you compared mikrotik with ubiquiti/mimosa with same frequency/width/interference. What about TX power, antenna gain, MIMO type, test in udp or tcp?
If everything is the same for two vendors and you are working using 802.11n, to reach 4 times mikrotik speed, means you have 75Mbps with Mikrotik and 300Mbps with other vendors.
Is that correct?
We are working in very noisy inmoriment, and with https://mimosa.co/products/a5c and GPS sync we see 3-4times Bandwidth.
With MT often 50Mbit are impossible.

Here:
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=136002&start=100#p684307
Mimosa C5C in PTP mode, 40 MHz channel, modulation @ 400MBit over 5.5km with 27dBi Dishes from RF elements with max EIRP of 36 dBm, means about 280-290 MBit real TCP (iperf and 2 Laptops), for a short test we swapped the C5Cs against MT (RBM11 G + R11e-5HacD + shielded twist port adaptor) same channel same 40 MHz, same 36dBm, modulation varies between 324 and 400, with Iperf was only 170-180 MBit possible, with Nv2 even less.
170-180 Mbit wit 802.11 does not help really, because of Ping jitter, so it is impossible to deliver good voip services.
We need a working TDMA solution, and with nv2 in such test you reach 100-120Mbit, mimosa ist 3 times higher, with a 95€ Radio....

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:34 pm
by wispman74
Mistry7, I have no experience on ubiquiti or mimosa, but it seems you are comparing not similar architecture. Even if you have all the same parameters in mimosa and mikrotik, C5C is a 4x4 MIMO, R11e is 2x2. It is normal you have a double bandwidth as in post
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=136002&start=100#p684307
Also if you hace GPS sync it is normal you get better results in noisy environment. You should compare a mimosa product with all the same features.
So, we can discuss Mikrotik lacks some features (4x4 MIMO or GPS Sync), NV2 is not really a stable protocol, or Mikrotik works well in clean environment, but brobably with the same architecture, feature and protocol, maybe the results are not so far each other.
I think is important to be clear talking about different vendors because some of us make their decition based on other opinion.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 5:37 pm
by Alessio Garavano
Someone tested in NV2 how is working the RBDynaDishG-5HacDr3 which is 802.11ac but has MIPSBE? :?

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:08 pm
by mistry7
Mistry7, I have no experience on ubiquiti or mimosa, but it seems you are comparing not similar architecture. Even if you have all the same parameters in mimosa and mikrotik, C5C is a 4x4 MIMO, R11e is 2x2. It is normal you have a double bandwidth as in post
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=136002&start=100#p684307
Also if you hace GPS sync it is normal you get better results in noisy environment. You should compare a mimosa product with all the same features.
So, we can discuss Mikrotik lacks some features (4x4 MIMO or GPS Sync), NV2 is not really a stable protocol, or Mikrotik works well in clean environment, but brobably with the same architecture, feature and protocol, maybe the results are not so far each other.
I think is important to be clear talking about different vendors because some of us make their decition based on other opinion.
C5C is normal 2x2 SMA Radio, not more then NetMetal etc....
C5C has not gps

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:10 pm
by Alessio Garavano
Mistry7, I have no experience on ubiquiti or mimosa, but it seems you are comparing not similar architecture. Even if you have all the same parameters in mimosa and mikrotik, C5C is a 4x4 MIMO, R11e is 2x2. It is normal you have a double bandwidth as in post
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=136002&start=100#p684307
Also if you hace GPS sync it is normal you get better results in noisy environment. You should compare a mimosa product with all the same features.
So, we can discuss Mikrotik lacks some features (4x4 MIMO or GPS Sync), NV2 is not really a stable protocol, or Mikrotik works well in clean environment, but brobably with the same architecture, feature and protocol, maybe the results are not so far each other.
I think is important to be clear talking about different vendors because some of us make their decition based on other opinion.
C5C is normal 2x2 SMA Radio, not more then NetMetal etc....
C5C has not gps
In noise environment Mimosa is a shit! only work fantastic in the best conditions...

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:12 pm
by wispman74
Mistry7, I have no experience on ubiquiti or mimosa, but it seems you are comparing not similar architecture. Even if you have all the same parameters in mimosa and mikrotik, C5C is a 4x4 MIMO, R11e is 2x2. It is normal you have a double bandwidth as in post
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=136002&start=100#p684307
Also if you hace GPS sync it is normal you get better results in noisy environment. You should compare a mimosa product with all the same features.
So, we can discuss Mikrotik lacks some features (4x4 MIMO or GPS Sync), NV2 is not really a stable protocol, or Mikrotik works well in clean environment, but brobably with the same architecture, feature and protocol, maybe the results are not so far each other.
I think is important to be clear talking about different vendors because some of us make their decition based on other opinion.
C5C is normal 2x2 SMA Radio, not more then NetMetal etc....
C5C has not gps
OK, sorry but I follow your link of A5C

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:15 pm
by mistry7
Mistry7, I have no experience on ubiquiti or mimosa, but it seems you are comparing not similar architecture. Even if you have all the same parameters in mimosa and mikrotik, C5C is a 4x4 MIMO, R11e is 2x2. It is normal you have a double bandwidth as in post
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=136002&start=100#p684307
Also if you hace GPS sync it is normal you get better results in noisy environment. You should compare a mimosa product with all the same features.
So, we can discuss Mikrotik lacks some features (4x4 MIMO or GPS Sync), NV2 is not really a stable protocol, or Mikrotik works well in clean environment, but brobably with the same architecture, feature and protocol, maybe the results are not so far each other.
I think is important to be clear talking about different vendors because some of us make their decition based on other opinion.
C5C is normal 2x2 SMA Radio, not more then NetMetal etc....
C5C has not gps
In noise environment Mimosa is a shit! only work fantastic in the best conditions...
We don’t have fantastic conditions, on no place, 5 GHz is disturbt all
over the hole band, no place where we don’t see 15-20 ssids

We use maximum on antenna technology, we have small EIRP here in Germany 30/36 dBm,
And for us mimosa works great, but killer is AF-5xHD, but it is an another class of Radio.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:55 pm
by honzam

We don’t have fantastic conditions, on no place, 5 GHz is disturbt all
over the hole band, no place where we don’t see 15-20 ssids
Off topic: this is not disturb - We have in Czech Republic more than 60 ssid on P2P link.
More then 100 SSID on 30degree horn antenna. In small city.
We have small EIRP here in Germany 30/36 dBm,
We have only 27-30dBm

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:07 pm
by mistry7

We don’t have fantastic conditions, on no place, 5 GHz is disturbt all
over the hole band, no place where we don’t see 15-20 ssids
Off topic: this is not disturb - We have in Czech Republic more than 60 ssid on P2P link.
More then 100 SSID on 30degree horn antenna. In small city.


Here A5C really works great...


We have small EIRP here in Germany 30/36 dBm,
We have only 27-30dBm
But when you see all SSId with -60? Ubnt and Co are often used here form cameras etc, every IT company use them, and WISPs searching the Gaps...
My City Airfiber Show hole Band as red

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:25 pm
by honzam
For profesional cameras we use other band than 5Ghz. In CZ is problem with a lot of WISPs in cities... A lot of SSID, a lot of interference....

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 10:51 am
by steen
Hello Folks!

I see a lot of discussions in this thread now.

Has microtic corrected their routers now so older devices work with wireless again, so called arm devices, e.g. mipsbe devices like rb411, sxt, sextant etc. ?

We have very many such still in production ptmp 5GHz band using no higher than 6.41.3, if we upgrade beyond that version the wifi fully fails and the device need a full netinstall recover to 6.41.3 again to become usable.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:01 am
by thasser
I am having this same issue with a PTP link with two of the new SXT ac square units. We have simple bridge to station bridge setup with wlan and eth bridged together.

No traffic would pass through link on NV2. When I upgraded to 6.43 suddenly the link began to pass traffic through and work, but now my Cisco 3750g switch keeps receiving it's keepalive packet on the same port it sends it out on thus putting the port into err-disabled mode. This only happens when the SXT set to "station-bridge" connects to the SXT set to "bridge".

So it seems for whatever reason the bridge unit is looping traffic back to the CPE device (or should I say the other end of the PTP bridge.

Setup as follows:

Cisco 3750g 1 <-> RBSXTsq5HPnD-US ("station-bridge") <-> RBSXTsq5HPnD-US ("bridge") <-> Cisco 3750g 2

Cisco 3750g 1 shuts down the port that the RBSXTsq5HPnD-US is connected to because it receives the same keepalive packet (Sent from Cisco 3750g 1) that it sent out on the same port connected to the same RBSXTsq5HPnD-US. Clear as mud?

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:47 am
by thasser
Someone tested in NV2 how is working the RBDynaDishG-5HacDr3 which is 802.11ac but has MIPSBE? :?
Has anyone tested the newer RouterOS with these higher versions? Does NV2 link work normal?

Also, I find it odd that nstream would work and NV2 would not given that NV2 is short for "nstream version 2"

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:28 pm
by wpeople
Someone tested in NV2 how is working the RBDynaDishG-5HacDr3 which is 802.11ac but has MIPSBE? :?
Has anyone tested the newer RouterOS with these higher versions? Does NV2 link work normal?

Also, I find it odd that nstream would work and NV2 would not given that NV2 is short for "nstream version 2"
This is not strange. Nstreme (v1) do the things via board CPU, while NV2 do that on the wireless card.
Compare the CPU usage when set to nstreme and nv2! You will find, that using nstreme will consume 20-30% cpu even with low network load.

Also, mixing nv2 and nstreme in the same board (on different cards) is not a good way. They would interfere somehow even if the used freq very far from each other.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:34 pm
by thasser
Someone tested in NV2 how is working the RBDynaDishG-5HacDr3 which is 802.11ac but has MIPSBE? :?
Has anyone tested the newer RouterOS with these higher versions? Does NV2 link work normal?

Also, I find it odd that nstream would work and NV2 would not given that NV2 is short for "nstream version 2"
This is not strange. Nstreme (v1) do the things via board CPU, while NV2 do that on the wireless card.
Compare the CPU usage when set to nstreme and nv2! You will find, that using nstreme will consume 20-30% cpu even with low network load.

Also, mixing nv2 and nstreme in the same board (on different cards) is not a good way. They would interfere somehow even if the used freq very far from each other.

So nstream is using arm archtecture while nv2 is using wireless chip directly, awesome insight! Going back to the original issue, though, that is the core issue of nv2 and arm not working correctly. There obviously seems to be a issue with bridging or routing going on as we keep receiving random sent packages from our AP that we sent to it.

It almost seems like:

Broadcast message is created -> "CPE PTP bridge radio" receives packet in bridge (via eth1), sends out message on all bridge ports except port where message originated, aka wlan1 -> The "bridge PTP radio" receives the packet on its bridge interface wlan1 and should then send out the packet on all interface except the port where the message originated, aka eth1*


* = This seems to be the point where the "bridge PTP radio" will send the keepalive packets generated by the cisco switch back to the radio that sent it which in turn broadcast's the message back ot the port putting it into err-disabled mode and losing all connectivity between sites.

This seems to be a major issue with ARM based boards only. WE ALL NEED TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON HERE? CAN WE GET AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF THE ISSUE, @ULDIS, @EMILS, @NORMIS?

Given the latest upgrade fixed some of my issues without any config change it sounds like some major changes are being made to arm based boards with wireless cards in them. Our company wants to buy a TON of the next ARM-based SXT's but we can not move forward until we know if this is a known issue being worked out or a configuration issue.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:00 am
by mistry7
I am trying to hook my cell up to my laptop so i can get GPS on Network Stumbler and dont know how to go about doing this?
And what is the relationship to the topic?

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:54 am
by networkfudge
I am trying to hook my cell up to my laptop so i can get GPS on Network Stumbler and dont know how to go about doing this?
piss off

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:39 pm
by thasser
Can someone with some sort of authority acknowledge this? I may have missed it but this is a big deal. Is this a known issue or am I crazy???

Traffic is being looped back for some reason - this can cause MAJOR network issues and will create an incredibly unstable network.

What do you recommend your clients do with ARM based boards for stable PTP communication? Use 802.11 for now? Any suggestions are welcome and anything I can do to help I will gladly do.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:47 pm
by FogOfWar
I can confirm the issue. We have had major throughput issues, so we replicated it in lab environment.

LHG 5 ac XL (bridge) -- LHG 5 AC (station bridge)
only chain 0 (we don't have enough free space for polarization to form, so used single chain to reduce other effects)
Throughpus is dead-straight at 78Mbit up + 78Mbit down, CCQ at 100%. That is exactly half of what it should be taking into account protocol overhead and conforms with the forth-and-back routing issue.

We also tried to downgrade to 6.40.3, but now the XL is rebooted with kernel panic if any wireless interface setting is changed. So there are major problems with ARM port of the latest stable.

We can not switch back to MIPSBE LHG 5 utilizing N standard as we are facing competition throughputing 400+Mbit.

With test runs with RB922-RB922 before switching to ARM we achieved 400+Mbit/s in distance of 60km. Now we are sitting at 20-80Mbit with very high jitter.

So yes, ARM devices miss NV2 slots and yes, ARM devices route traffic back after receiving reducing available timeslots.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:19 am
by mistry7
We can not switch back to MIPSBE LHG 5 utilizing N standard as we are facing competition throughputing 400+Mbit.

With test runs with RB922-RB922 before switching to ARM we achieved 400+Mbit/s in distance of 60km. Now we are sitting at 20-80Mbit with very high jitter.

So yes, ARM devices miss NV2 slots and yes, ARM devices route traffic back after receiving reducing available timeslots.

Welcome to the new Mikrotik products from the cheap rail, you need something with better performance buy somewhere else ...

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:21 pm
by PacketMangle
Hello Everybody,

To confirm, is this issue also a problem with wireless 'ARM' based Mikrotik devices operating in Station' mode too?

EG: Do you still have the same issues with Mikrotik MIPSBE devices operating in 'AP Bridge' (Access Point) mode and the ARM devices operating in 'Station' (Client) mode?

Thanks!

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:17 pm
by thasser
Hello Everybody,

To confirm, is this issue also a problem with wireless 'ARM' based Mikrotik devices operating in Station' mode too?

EG: Do you still have the same issues with Mikrotik MIPSBE devices operating in 'AP Bridge' (Access Point) mode and the ARM devices operating in 'Station' (Client) mode?

Thanks!
We have not tried this setup, yet. We are only trying to bridge two Cisco switches on the same LAN.

We tried bridge to station in our setup and received the same results but we have all SXTsq's which I do not believe come with the license level for being an PtMP AP aka 'AP Bridge'

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:46 pm
by thasser
The exact same configuration is now working on the legacy SXTac and no issues whatsoever. What is going on here, product released to market before full testing complete????!!!!!??????

PLEASE FIX THIS MIKROTIK!!!!!!!

Either fix this or pull the product from the market - it does not work! I have done business with you guys for over 10 years and this is not how you guys operate! You are better than this. Please acknowledge or prove me wrong as this has been a hot topic in wireless for over two weeks now!



MIKROTIK ARM BASED BOARDS DO NOT WORK WITH NV2 WHEN CREATING A SIMPLE BRIDGE.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:50 pm
by honzam
The same problem. We need solution from @mikrotik

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:52 pm
by mistry7
The exact same configuration is now working on the legacy SXTac and no issues whatsoever. What is going on here, product released to market before full testing complete????!!!!!??????

PLEASE FIX THIS MIKROTIK!!!!!!!

Either fix this or pull the product from the market - it does not work! I have done business with you guys for over 10 years and this is not how you guys operate! You are better than this. Please acknowledge or prove me wrong as this has been a hot topic in wireless for over two weeks now!



MIKROTIK ARM BASED BOARDS DO NOT WORK WITH NV2 WHEN CREATING A SIMPLE BRIDGE.
No need for complaining, Mikrotik only offers low cost ARM line for 5 GHz, this is the same shit like the one with Spectral Scan in AC Hardware, change brand, more and more doing this step, we don’t see any future in Mikrotik Outdoor Wireless!

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:06 pm
by thasser
The exact same configuration is now working on the legacy SXTac and no issues whatsoever. What is going on here, product released to market before full testing complete????!!!!!??????

PLEASE FIX THIS MIKROTIK!!!!!!!

Either fix this or pull the product from the market - it does not work! I have done business with you guys for over 10 years and this is not how you guys operate! You are better than this. Please acknowledge or prove me wrong as this has been a hot topic in wireless for over two weeks now!



MIKROTIK ARM BASED BOARDS DO NOT WORK WITH NV2 WHEN CREATING A SIMPLE BRIDGE.
No need for complaining, Mikrotik only offers low cost ARM line for 5 GHz, this is the same shit like the one with Spectral Scan in AC Hardware, change brand, more and more doing this step, we don’t see any future in Mikrotik Outdoor Wireless!

I always say this and still stick to it: Mikrotik devices are only as good as the programmer who is behind it. There are no other devices out there on the market that compare to the strengths and versatility of RouterOS. This is just one issue of many they are working on. We have a network with over 1,000 Mikrotik devices and the SXT's is one of their crowning achievements. That is why the bar was set so high for these new ones.

With that said - I would never swap to a Cambium, Ubiquiti, or any other competitor in this arena because they are not secure and you do not have low level access over what is going on in the router.

$$ is not an issue here. The board is cheap because it has only the components necessary for the device to work are in place. Yes there are cheaper versions with cheaper chips but I have gear in the field in what I can almost guarantee are the harshest of conditions and they are going on 6+ years of uptime with minimal config changes since ROS 3.5 ;)

Come on MT, I believe in you.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 6:44 am
by mistry7
$$ is not an issue here. The board is cheap because it has only the components necessary for the device to work are in place. Yes there are cheaper versions with cheaper chips but I have gear in the field in what I can almost guarantee are the harshest of conditions and they are going on 6+ years of uptime with minimal config changes since ROS 3.5 ;)

Come on MT, I believe in you.
the Issue begins with low end Chipset, if you want to build devices for Professional market, you choose the cheapest Chipset, who manufactures says for home using?

But there are a couple of ones for „enterprise use“ but they are not supported by ROS.
Missing features and not relatability are the answers?
Look at Qualcomm Page.....
Hopefully we see support for QCA998x after launch of RB4011, then we are able to build
Our own systems with M11G

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 3:32 pm
by server8
@Normis can you tell us how many time we have to wait for the solution of this problem? If you can't resolve it please tell us, transparency for your customers please.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 6:37 am
by mistry7
@Normis can you tell us how many time we have to wait for the solution of this problem? If you can't resolve it please tell us, transparency for your customers please.
I have some used LHGac, SXTsq ac, we took down in the last weeks, because of
unsolved problems with ARM Boards, if someone want to get them, feel free to ask,
otherwise we throw them away.

mistry7

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 9:54 pm
by honzam
@Normis can you tell us how many time we have to wait for the solution of this problem? If you can't resolve it please tell us, transparency for your customers please.
+ 1

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:14 pm
by mistry7
@Normis can you tell us how many time we have to wait for the solution of this problem? If you can't resolve it please tell us, transparency for your customers please.
+ 1
LOL would be fixed in ROS 7

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:18 am
by Alessio Garavano
+100

Enviado desde mi BLA-L29 mediante Tapatalk


Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 3:04 pm
by Alessio Garavano
Is Dynadish working fine in 802.11ac and NV2?

Enviado desde mi BLA-L29 mediante Tapatalk


Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 3:22 pm
by mistry7
Is Dynadish working fine in 802.11ac and NV2?

Enviado desde mi BLA-L29 mediante Tapatalk
Yes it is not Arm based

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:21 am
by ueudo
I'm having the same problem, it's time that everything looks great, more than 5 in 5 minutes it's all horrible, I'm using 802.11 .... no solution?
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:57 pm
by Alessio Garavano
Is Dynadish working fine in 802.11ac and NV2?

Enviado desde mi BLA-L29 mediante Tapatalk
Yes it is not Arm based
Thanks mistry7! now i go to test...

Regards,

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 4:33 pm
by cpetey147
We really need a response from tik. This is ridiculous of them to not even respond. I've sent then 3 emails regarding this and their only response was we improved that in the latest current release. After upgrading still sucks and our company has probably around 500 of these things sitting in stock wait to be used yet we can't . Also still no spectral scan on A/C ....... Joke.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:47 pm
by honzam
If Mikrotik does not like a topic, he does not comment on it :-(
This is one of them.

I also do not like this policy ... ! :-(

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:13 pm
by mistry7
@Normis can you tell us how many time we have to wait for the solution of this problem? If you can't resolve it please tell us, transparency for your customers please.
I have some used LHGac, SXTsq ac, we took down in the last weeks, because of
unsolved problems with ARM Boards, if someone want to get them, feel free to ask,
otherwise we throw them away.

mistry7
weird, nobody wants to have that stuff

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:26 pm
by honzam
weird, nobody wants to have that stuff
You are from Germany. If you had a trip to the Czech Republic I would have taken them :)

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:07 am
by npero
I am interested to buy it. Please can your left email or contact me on npero2(at)gmail(dot)com


I have some used LHGac, SXTsq ac, we took down in the last weeks, because of
unsolved problems with ARM Boards, if someone want to get them, feel free to ask,
otherwise we throw them away.

mistry7
weird, nobody wants to have that stuff

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:02 am
by server8
@normis old LDF mipsbe are not more available from distributors we have no hardware that work well with NV2 to make our business..... are LDF mipsbe end of life?

CAN YOU PLEASE SPEND SOME WORDS FOR US?

Thank you

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:21 am
by mistry7
I am interested to buy it. Please can your left email or contact me on npero2(at)gmail(dot)com


I have some used LHGac, SXTsq ac, we took down in the last weeks, because of
unsolved problems with ARM Boards, if someone want to get them, feel free to ask,
otherwise we throw them away.

mistry7
weird, nobody wants to have that stuff
you've got an e-mail

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:41 am
by mistry7
@normis old LDF mipsbe are not more available from distributors we have no hardware that work well with NV2 to make our business..... are LDF mipsbe end of life?

CAN YOU PLEASE SPEND SOME WORDS FOR US?

Thank you
SXT ac, SXT HGac, SXT Lite5ac, they all not longer available.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:11 am
by server8
LDF mipsbe is not available now I hope is only a shortage for the distributors

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:40 am
by mistry7
LDF5 (802.11n) is available in Germany

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:57 pm
by scampbell
LDF5 (802.11n) is available in Germany
LDF5 is in stock in New Zealand too - we can ship worldwide :-)

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:12 am
by mistry7
@Normis can you tell us how many time we have to wait for the solution of this problem? If you can't resolve it please tell us, transparency for your customers please.
It is the same like the Spectral-Scan story

only stalling tactics, some „possible fixes“
and then long time nothing, no answer and no fix
And when you wait for it and if you ask for it sometimes,
the answer would be „We fixe it with ROS 7“
And that is the answer from Mikrotik, not Interesting to fix it now!

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:08 pm
by n21roadie
@ 2jarek
6.43 Works only for TDMA period size 1ms. Try 3-5ms = disaster. Hardware driver/chipset/clock problem.
Just curious I have mine set to 2ms ! and have you any more information on "Hardware driver/chipset/clock problem."

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:38 pm
by n21roadie
@mistry7
I don’t think you will see anything from Mikrotik in Wireless Market, Wireless is dead end, FTTH is future, look at the Products MT is releasing, look at KidControl.
.........................
I agree that Fibre to the Home (FTTH) is the future for business, working from home, etc. but for residential customers we have discovered that price is paramount, sure they want very fast broadband but the vast majority are not willing to pay the premium cost involved, hence the reason why *all* fibre providers here have resorted to using a low price period at start of the contract before prices increase, even some bundle media content to sell FTTH to residential customers!

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:17 pm
by cpetey147
The fact that tik won't comment on this just baffles me.... Furthermore the fact that they build an AC lhg line that is most likely intended to be paired with the omnitik ac and than they sell thousands of them without even testing the product blows my mind. They clearly have time to improve the 60ghz stuff every release candidate just won't put the time into the arm 5ghz for whatever reason.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:28 pm
by Alessio Garavano
Hello guys ... After consulting here a few days ago, they confirmed that Dynadish does not have this famous problem for not having ARM, so I decided to buy one, meanwhile mikrotik does not offer any solution to the problem, we have to fix ourselves in some way and look for alternatives to continue improving our services ...

Then I wrote the following e-mail requesting me to recognize a level 4 license, to update the Dynadish to PTMP instead of an LHG 5ac that I bought for that, updated its license and could not use it ...

I share my query, and the unfavorable response they gave me ...
"Hi guys, from our main tower we have 4 others towers in a visible width of 10 grads connected and concentrated in a Sextant-G (Soft-ID=xxxx-xxxx) in a range of 3 to 8 kilometers with SXTsq, LHG 5ac and LHG 5ac XL in NV2.

From a time ago we need to enhance the capacity of this backbone, for this we buy a LHG 5ac (Soft-ID= xxxx-xxxx) to replace the old Sextant-G 802.11n, but the performance and quality was horrible, because the well-known problem of ARM chipsets with NV2... then we back again to the old Sextant-G waiting for a solution, but no answer in the forum about that and the clients are claiming the low quality of the service...

At this point besides of buy boths Routerboards, we buy the upgrade of license to Level 4 (u$45 each one, u$90 in total).

Well, now we buy a Dynadish 5ac (Soft-ID=xxxx-xxxx / Serial Number=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) to replace the Sextant-G and speed up the performance of this backbone...

Can you do the favour of exchange the license of the LHG 5ac back to Level 3 and pass the Dynadish to Level 4? I hope you understand my situation and can help us to solve our dilemma and not buy another license upgrade to try.

Thanks and regards"

Here the first MT reply:
Hello,

MikroTik support usually reply within three business days.

Unfortunately RouterBOARD licenses are not transferrable.

Best regards,
Martins S.

Here my second e-mail:
Hi Martins, i know that... but you need to considerate i can´t use the LHG 5ac license in level 4 for PTMP because yours problems with ARM chip and NV2.

I don´t want to buy another license level 4 for other RB.

If i don´t have a favorable reply about this problem, i public this bad situation with your reply in the forum.

I hope you can understand my situtation...

Thanks and regards,

Here the second bad reply without lucky:
Hello,

As soon as you purchase license for RouterBOARD it is tied to single router. Such licenses are not transferrable.

If you have a problem with your wireless connection, then please feel free to create a new support ticket. We will do our best in order to help you and improve your wireless configuration.

Best regards,
Martins S.
P.S.: Now, for this bad attention and solution, we go to change all our backbone to another brand.

Regards!

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:27 pm
by mistry7
Hello guys ... After consulting here a few days ago, they confirmed that Dynadish does not have this famous problem for not having ARM, so I decided to buy one, meanwhile mikrotik does not offer any solution to the problem, we have to fix ourselves in some way and look for alternatives to continue improving our services ...

Then I wrote the following e-mail requesting me to recognize a level 4 license, to update the Dynadish to PTMP instead of an LHG 5ac that I bought for that, updated its license and could not use it ...

I share my query, and the unfavorable response they gave me ...
"Hi guys, from our main tower we have 4 others towers in a visible width of 10 grads connected and concentrated in a Sextant-G (Soft-ID=xxxx-xxxx) in a range of 3 to 8 kilometers with SXTsq, LHG 5ac and LHG 5ac XL in NV2.

From a time ago we need to enhance the capacity of this backbone, for this we buy a LHG 5ac (Soft-ID= xxxx-xxxx) to replace the old Sextant-G 802.11n, but the performance and quality was horrible, because the well-known problem of ARM chipsets with NV2... then we back again to the old Sextant-G waiting for a solution, but no answer in the forum about that and the clients are claiming the low quality of the service...

At this point besides of buy boths Routerboards, we buy the upgrade of license to Level 4 (u$45 each one, u$90 in total).

Well, now we buy a Dynadish 5ac (Soft-ID=xxxx-xxxx / Serial Number=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) to replace the Sextant-G and speed up the performance of this backbone...

Can you do the favour of exchange the license of the LHG 5ac back to Level 3 and pass the Dynadish to Level 4? I hope you understand my situation and can help us to solve our dilemma and not buy another license upgrade to try.

Thanks and regards"

Here the first MT reply:
Hello,

MikroTik support usually reply within three business days.

Unfortunately RouterBOARD licenses are not transferrable.

Best regards,
Martins S.

Here my second e-mail:
Hi Martins, i know that... but you need to considerate i can´t use the LHG 5ac license in level 4 for PTMP because yours problems with ARM chip and NV2.

I don´t want to buy another license level 4 for other RB.

If i don´t have a favorable reply about this problem, i public this bad situation with your reply in the forum.

I hope you can understand my situtation...

Thanks and regards,

Here the second bad reply without lucky:
Hello,

As soon as you purchase license for RouterBOARD it is tied to single router. Such licenses are not transferrable.

If you have a problem with your wireless connection, then please feel free to create a new support ticket. We will do our best in order to help you and improve your wireless configuration.

Best regards,
Martins S.
P.S.: Now, for this bad attention and solution, we go to change all our backbone to another brand.

Regards!

We also did the change and did not regret it

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:30 pm
by mistry7
They clearly have time to improve the 60ghz stuff every release candidate just won't put the time into the arm 5ghz for whatever reason.
Looks like it is Hardware Issue and can not be fixed

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:29 am
by mfr476
I have the some problem.... witch brand works now Mistry7?

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:32 am
by npero
you've got an e-mail
I send you replay but did not receive any mail from you after that.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:11 pm
by server8
I am angry about the silence on this issue, I can't understand why we have had no official answer.

In the last 8 years we bought something around 1M euro of mikrotik hardware..... changing now is big trouble!!!!

I have 3 new towers waiting

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:29 pm
by n21roadie
I have the some problem.... witch brand works now Mistry7?
If any vendor had a wireless product designed especially to function perfectly in a increasing noisy environment, everyone would know very fast?

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:37 pm
by mistry7
I have the some problem.... witch brand works now Mistry7?
We use Mimosa and Ubiquiti
We removed Mikrotik on really new Towers, rebuild them with something new, and get some SXT Lite5ac from the costumers back, so we have some fro the old Towers, but this will not work for ever

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:44 pm
by Alessio Garavano
We are changing to Mimosa and Cambium Networks...

UBNT is bad word for me! a real shit in all your products!

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:35 pm
by server8
@Normis I 'll post here untill we 'll have an answer :-)

I apologize for my inistence but I need an answer

Thank You

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:38 am
by cpetey147
@Normis I 'll post here untill we 'll have an answer :-)

I apologize for my inistence but I need an answer

Thank You
They can only ignore us for so long 😀 eventually they will have to own up to it and fix it.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:52 am
by mkx
@Normis I 'll post here untill we 'll have an answer :-)

I apologize for my inistence but I need an answer

Thank You
They can only ignore us for so long 😀 eventually they will have to own up to it and fix it.
Sure they will fix it ... in ROS V7 :wink:

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:15 pm
by steen
Hello Folks!

First please mikrotik fix so older devices work or make a branch for older devices and freeze it or what ever suites you best.
As it is for now, we have stopped upgrading all wireless devices at Ros6.41.3.
Any attempt upgrading higher than RoS6.41.3 for wireless devices ends up in netinstalling them with RoS6.41.3 or lower.

Which devices work with NV2 and higher RoS6.41.3, is there any ?
QRT5 ?
DynaDish 5 ?
Any other device ?

We are fully dependent on it for our PtMP production.
We have a mix of devices, all running NV2 in routed network and various speeds and needs.

NV2 ptmp Basestations)
RB333 (few ptmp basestations, low speed links 20-30Mbit/s, max 7 clients per basestation sector)
RB435 (a few ptmp basestations, low speed links 20-30Mbit/s, max 10 clients per basestation sector)
RB600 (some ptmp basestations, low speed links 20-30Mbit/s, max 10 clients per basestation sector)
RB800 (a few ptmp basestations, medium speed links 30-100Mbit/s plus max 10 clients per basestation sector)
SXT SA5 ac (few ptmp basestations, medium speed links 30-100Mbit/s plus max 4 clients per basestation sector)

NV2 clients)
RB333 (clients, low speed links, low speed links 20-30Mbit/s)
RB411 (massive amount of clients, low speed links 20-30Mbit/s)
RB433 (clients, low speed links 20-30Mbit/s)
RB911G-5HPnD (many clients, low speed links 20-30Mbit/s)
RB711-SHnD (many clients, low speed links 20-30Mbit/s)
RB711-5Hn.u.FL (many clients, low speed links 20-30Mbit/s)
RB SXT-5D (many clients, low speed links 20-30Mbit/s)
RB SXT G5HPacD (many clients, medium speed links 30-100Mbit/s plus)
SXT 5 ac (many clients, medium speed links 30-100Mbit/s plus)
SXT G-5HPacd (many clients, medium speed links 30-100Mbit/s plus)
QRT5 (few clients, medium speed links 30-100Mbit/s plus)
DynaDish 5 (few clients, medium speed links 30-100Mbit/s plus)

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:42 pm
by honzam
@Normis I 'll post here untill we 'll have an answer :-)
I apologize for my inistence but I need an answer
Thank You
Good idea. We will not leave this topic forgotten until Mikrotik answers...
@MIKROTIK - How long will you be silent? This is a public official forum. All users see how you are facing problems ...

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 9:45 pm
by mistry7
@Normis I 'll post here untill we 'll have an answer :-)
I apologize for my inistence but I need an answer
Thank You
Good idea. We will not leave this topic forgotten until Mikrotik answers...
@MIKROTIK - How long will you be silent? This is a public official forum. All users see how you are facing problems ...
remember spectrum scan.....same story.... first "yes we will add / fix it" and later nothing.......

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:41 am
by mfr476
Five years working with @Mikrotik ... Today is the last day. It´s a pitty...

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 4:20 pm
by server8
Five years working with @Mikrotik ... Today is the last day. It´s a pitty...
My company has 6000 mikrotik cpe installed, +1000 new orders every year and when NV2 finally works quite well with AC we have no more hardware compatible with it. It's a nightmare to swith to another vendor...

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:49 pm
by mfr476
It's a Big problem but... If @Mikrotik dont solve the problem It is very dangerous not change the brand...

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:08 am
by server8
Yes but I don't want to install new towers and after some months have the problem solved or new AC working hardware. NV2 works great with old AC hardware.

It's important to have an official answer from mikrotik about this iusse.
It's a Big problem but... If @Mikrotik dont solve the problem It is very dangerous not change the brand...

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:03 pm
by cpetey147
It's pretty sad and unfortunate that mikrotik won't even comment on this. Do they not care about keeping customers? If they would just comment an ETA and live up to it they would keep far more customers than their current scheme. We were making a giant push towards tik ac when these came out but now we have hundreds of these sitting in our warehouse with no response from tik besides ooooooo try the latest firmware that doesn't do anything.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:40 pm
by Alessio Garavano
I pay the grill when Mikrotik answer and solve that problem!

Enviado desde mi BLA-L29 mediante Tapatalk


Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:39 pm
by mfr476
we are a lot of days without new firmware. I hope @Mikrotik improve arm :?:

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:20 am
by server8
@normis any update?

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 4:39 pm
by miko385

I have some used LHGac, SXTsq ac, we took down in the last weeks, because of
unsolved problems with ARM Boards, if someone want to get them, feel free to ask,
otherwise we throw them away.

mistry7
can you send me a mail to miko.sakic (at) gmail dot com? i can't contact you on here.
thank you.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:12 pm
by honzam
rc45 contains Nv2+ARM fix. It will be released within the next 24 hours.
Hello Normis.
Latest firmware not solve NV2 problem (missing slot). Since 13 July 2018 you do not write. Can you comment on the situation?
Silence will not solve the problem ...

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 1:19 pm
by steen
null, removed posted in wrong thread

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 9:19 pm
by Alessio Garavano
Another interesting Feature arrived, a few rb411 reboots themselfes nothing in logs no supouts just the message u get when unplugging the power. So it is Some kind of crash.
Why this in this topic?

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:00 am
by alejosalmon
I have tried SXTsq 5 ac-US firmware 6.42.9 connected to an hap ac lite firmware 6.40.9 in channel 5180,5200,5745,5750 for an hour with no disconnections.I used protocols nv2,nstreme,802.11 20/40Mhz Ce.
Remember using password in nv2 protocol.Best regards from Perú.
https://ibb.co/nqOrBV

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:47 am
by mistry7
I have tried SXTsq 5 ac-US firmware 6.42.9 connected to an hap ac lite firmware 6.40.9 in channel 5180,5200,5745,5750 for an hour with no disconnections.I used protocols nv2,nstreme,802.11 20/40Mhz Ce.
Remember using password in nv2 protocol.Best regards from Perú.
https://ibb.co/nqOrBV
The speed you got is the problem / and the latency too

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:30 am
by server8
Only deafening silence from mikrotik no answer and no info on future hardware that solve the problem

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:56 pm
by Alessio Garavano
Also, MT is not recognizing the problem and don´t send me a L4 license upgrade free of charge for the DynaDish 5ac we bought to replace an not possible to use LHG XL 5ac, wich we buy and upgraded the L4 license to do a simple backbone PTMP to other 4 towers...

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:24 pm
by mfr476
New firmware but... old problem Mikrotik text the solution please. We have WISP and our coustomer dissapear....

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:49 pm
by mistry7
New firmware but... old problem Mikrotik text the solution please. We have WISP and our coustomer dissapear....
As I mentioned before, buy something else, I don’t believe in Mikrotik anymore, 10 Month for such fix is not practical with our business, we can’t wait 10 month , and coustomers are waiting....
If this is normal for Mikrotik, then good night!

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:32 pm
by honzam
New firmware but... old problem Mikrotik text the solution please. We have WISP and our coustomer dissapear....
As I mentioned before, buy something else, I don’t believe in Mikrotik anymore, 10 Month for such fix is not practical with our business, we can’t wait 10 month , and coustomers are waiting....
If this is normal for Mikrotik, then good night!
I'm still waiting for Mikrotik to rebut your opinion, but it does not. They'd rather be silent.

Dear @Mikrotik. Perhaps you are the only manufacturer who does not care about customers? So many dissatisfied comments and you can not write anything? Thanks

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:35 pm
by mistry7
New firmware but... old problem Mikrotik text the solution please. We have WISP and our coustomer dissapear....
As I mentioned before, buy something else, I don’t believe in Mikrotik anymore, 10 Month for such fix is not practical with our business, we can’t wait 10 month , and coustomers are waiting....
If this is normal for Mikrotik, then good night!
I'm still waiting for Mikrotik to rebut your opinion, but it does not. They'd rather be silent.

Dear @Mikrotik. Perhaps you are the only manufacturer who does not care about customers? So many dissatisfied comments and you can not write anything? Thanks
There are options why it take so long...
1. Hardware issue, no fix is possible
2. Driver Issue but fixable only with newer Kernel, wait for Ros 7 it will arrive on Chrismas, but you don’t know the year

Mikrotik has a big communication issue with coustommers. No Official Roadmaps, no timelines, no milestones, we no nothing

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:18 am
by vecernik87
Ros 7 it will arrive on Chrismas
Oh my sweet little boy... :lol:
Mikrotik has a big communication issue with coustommers. No Official Roadmaps, no timelines, no milestones, we no nothing
Better no roadmaps/timelines/milestones, than promised but not fulfilled roadmaps/timelines/milestones. They learned from the past and I must applaud for that.

On the other hand I fully agree that in some situations, statement about "why is there an issue and what are we going to do" would be better (just explanation and course of action, no timeframes). NV2 on ARM is one of these situations which would deserve such statement.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:19 pm
by honzam
Ros 7 it will arrive on Chrismas
Oh my sweet little boy... :lol:
Mikrotik has a big communication issue with coustommers. No Official Roadmaps, no timelines, no milestones, we no nothing
Better no roadmaps/timelines/milestones, than promised but not fulfilled roadmaps/timelines/milestones. They learned from the past and I must applaud for that.
On the other hand I fully agree that in some situations, statement about "why is there an issue and what are we going to do" would be better (just explanation and course of action, no timeframes). NV2 on ARM is one of these situations which would deserve such statement.
Yes, you are right, no term better than promised but unfulfilled.
I do not know why MIKROTIK chose the strategy of silence? ARM and NV2 is a big problem. Just if they wrote that it will be fixed in V7?. Or, in another hw revision will be fixed.

Do we stop buying AC hardware? This is solution?

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:28 pm
by mistry7
Ros 7 it will arrive on Chrismas
Oh my sweet little boy... :lol:
Mikrotik has a big communication issue with coustommers. No Official Roadmaps, no timelines, no milestones, we no nothing
Better no roadmaps/timelines/milestones, than promised but not fulfilled roadmaps/timelines/milestones. They learned from the past and I must applaud for that.
On the other hand I fully agree that in some situations, statement about "why is there an issue and what are we going to do" would be better (just explanation and course of action, no timeframes). NV2 on ARM is one of these situations which would deserve such statement.
Yes, you are right, no term better than promised but unfulfilled.
I do not know why MIKROTIK chose the strategy of silence? ARM and NV2 is a big problem. Just if they wrote that it will be fixed in V7?. Or, in another hw revision will be fixed.

Do we stop buying AC hardware? This is solution?
For us absolute clear, no answer here and no answers from support, no answer at mum , no answer from distributing, but distributions solution..... sell us something else....
I like Mikrotik but this problems with new hardware has nothing to do with serious business case!

If this is your software service for new devices, then I don’t need it!

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2018 3:43 pm
by mfr476
Mikrotik have the money and we have the problem. I don´t buy anything of mikrotik if they don´t fix arm.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:10 am
by alejosalmon
So for all comments in this post.It is 100% sure that 802.11 working well in arm wireless devices or not?

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:28 am
by steen
So for all comments in this post.It is 100% sure that 802.11 working well in arm wireless devices or not?
I got problem with all wireless protocols including 802.11, at least for RB411 (300MHz) variants and some older SXT devices.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:19 am
by 2jarek
So for all comments in this post.It is 100% sure that 802.11 working well in arm wireless devices or not?
Yes in pure 802.11n ARM devices now (6.44beta28) works great over 200mbit TCP speedtest for 40mhz channel. But Wireless interface change Quee type for "hardware default".

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 3:02 pm
by mfr476
So for all comments in this post.It is 100% sure that 802.11 working well in arm wireless devices or not?
Yes in pure 802.11n ARM devices now (6.44beta28) works great over 200mbit TCP speedtest for 40mhz channel. But Wireless interface change Quee type for "hardware default".
I can´t upgrade my LHG on ARM with 6.44 beta 14 firmware. Is it normal? more and more problems...

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 3:36 pm
by Chupaka
What's the reason you can't?

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:56 pm
by mfr476
What's the reason you can't?
I don't know I charge 6.44beta28 reboot the router and don't upgrade. I use console Too and nothing...

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:44 pm
by Chupaka
So what's in Log after reboot?

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:09 pm
by mfr476
So what's in Log after reboot?
30-50 second It,s Too short

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:08 pm
by mfr476
So what's in Log after reboot?
Not enought space to upgrade. Clean all extra packges or only Dime?

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:10 pm
by Chupaka
So check your free space, that's the answer.

What's wrong with dime?..

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:23 pm
by mfr476
So check your free space, that's the answer.

What's wrong with dime?..
Some. My telephone write for me...

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:14 am
by Chupaka
It depends on your actual free space and "Files" contents

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 10:46 am
by mfr476
It depends on your actual free space and "Files" contents
Only 5 mb free. Which packet can I throw away?

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:44 pm
by Chupaka
Only 5 mb free.
And no files in Files section?
Which packet can I throw away?
Which ones are installed?

Generally, you need 'system' package to start the router.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:28 am
by mfr476
Only 5 mb free.
And no files in Files section?
Which packet can I throw away?
Which ones are installed?

Generally, you need 'system' package to start the router.

I remove all packages excep system y wireless and I can upgrade the router. It´s works fine in nstream. 802.11 and nv2 the same problem.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:00 pm
by server8
weekly reminder :-)

any update?

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:51 am
by server8
weekly reminder :-)

any update?

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:28 am
by mistry7
weekly reminder :-)

any update?
You will wait for a long time.....
Think about spectral scan........

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:41 am
by server8
No wait today is sad day I am installing a new tower with ubiquiti antennas, it's the first without mikrotik :-(

In the afternoon I 'll post some pics!!!!

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:52 am
by honzam
No wait today is sad day I am installing a new tower with ubiquiti antennas, it's the first without mikrotik :-(
In the afternoon I 'll post some pics!!!!
Mikrotik reads this topic. They just do not write anything.
@Mikrotik. Should we all migrate to UBNT as server8?

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:32 pm
by mistry7
No wait today is sad day I am installing a new tower with ubiquiti antennas, it's the first without mikrotik :-(
In the afternoon I 'll post some pics!!!!
Mikrotik reads this topic. They just do not write anything.
@Mikrotik. Should we all migrate to UBNT as server8?
If you have to build new Tower, this is the only way.... but there are more Options then UBNT

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:29 pm
by server8
We have a test tower with ubiquiti and it works well performance are 20% more than mikortik AC with a lot of radio features but ROS is ROS :-(

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:38 pm
by mistry7
We have a test tower with ubiquiti and it works well performance are 20% more than mikortik AC with a lot of radio features but ROS is ROS :-(
It looks like ROS is legacy

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 4:37 pm
by ecylcje
Any news?

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:37 am
by mfr476
Any news?
No, same problem i´m crying

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:45 pm
by mfr476
New firm!!!! Someone can try? Works fine nv2?

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:00 pm
by Alessio Garavano
What's new in 6.44beta39 (2018-Nov-27 12:14):

*) wireless - improved system stability for all ARM devices with wireless;

:D :D :D

Can somebody test?

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:14 pm
by 2jarek
What's new in 6.44beta39 (2018-Nov-27 12:14):

*) wireless - improved system stability for all ARM devices with wireless;

:D :D :D

Can somebody test?
Still mipsBE much better then ARM

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:49 pm
by mfr476
What's new in 6.44beta39 (2018-Nov-27 12:14):

*) wireless - improved system stability for all ARM devices with wireless;


But work fine?

:D :D :D

Can somebody test?
Still mipsBE mich better then ARM

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:57 pm
by Alessio Garavano
You are testing in PTP or PTMP? LHG 5ac (ARM) and Dynadish 5ac (MIPSBE) or which devices?

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:29 pm
by mistry7
There is no ARM NV2 fix.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:30 pm
by 2jarek
You are testing in PTP or PTMP? LHG 5ac (ARM) and Dynadish 5ac (MIPSBE) or which devices?
1)ALL ARM (LHG/DISC tested don't want waste more time for SQ)
2)ALL NV2 scenarios ALL.... no matter ptmp, bridge, routing just NV2+ ARM still CRAP.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:48 pm
by antonmance
Ptp works fine

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:03 pm
by mfr476
In 802.11 and nstreme work fine or loss a lot of packet?

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:25 pm
by mistry7
In 802.11 and nstreme work fine or loss a lot of packet?
I´m not able to test, we removed all mounted ARM Hardware...

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:46 pm
by 2jarek
Ptp works fine
Try nv2 ptp & stop lie

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:14 am
by Alessio Garavano
Ptp works fine
Can you share screenshots with the PTP? Thx!

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:45 pm
by antonmance
Ptp is working

Image

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:09 pm
by 2jarek
Ptp is working

Image
Working like CRAP. TCP/IP bandwitch test for NV2 forks worse than old 411 RB 300 mhz u read this topic ? Make test not "connection"

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:32 pm
by Alessio Garavano
Yes, in NV2 we have good signal and CCQ too, but the performance is a shit... in nstreme or 802.11 is better...

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:45 pm
by antonmance
Yes, in NV2 we have good signal and CCQ too, but the performance is a shit... in nstreme or 802.11 is better...
You are right, 802.11 is better, but now it can conect in nv2 and work
.
nv22.png

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:35 pm
by honzam
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Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:36 pm
by honzam
You are right, 802.11 is better, but now it can conect in nv2 and work
Are you kidding? It is the end of 2018. We have AC hardware and you consider the 53 Mbit result to be good? With 40Mhz on P2P? :-) :-)
Very bad, very bad...

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:41 pm
by djvolt1942
You are right, 802.11 is better, but now it can conect in nv2 and work
Are you kidding? It is the end of 2018. We have AC hardware and you consider the 53 Mbit result to be good? With 40Mhz on P2P? :-) :-)
Very bad, very bad...
Also 5100 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

LT400AC: 2,85KM -65/-66 20Mhz, 5500, 131.04Mbps/131.04Mbps :P
*LT400AC mean feeder from LB23AC with modified DIsh 400mm

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:08 pm
by mistry7
You are right, 802.11 is better, but now it can conect in nv2 and work
Are you kidding? It is the end of 2018. We have AC hardware and you consider the 53 Mbit result to be good? With 40Mhz on P2P? :-) :-)
Very bad, very bad...
Also 5100 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

LT400AC: 2,85KM -65/-66 20Mhz, 5500, 131.04Mbps/131.04Mbps :P
*LT400AC mean feeder from LB23AC with modified DIsh 400mm
That’s why i‘m writing Mikrotik Wirless is outdated / legacy
With this throughout there is no future!

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:22 am
by antonmance
Also 5100 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Surprise me, show your best link, mine is lhg, 5km, real throughout 140M.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:34 am
by djvolt1942
WoW really? :D At distance 7,2KM i will do 240Mbps real thoughput on 40MHz on pbe ac 500 :P

LT400AC on distance 5KM can send 400Mbps real thoughput at 80MHz, 200Mbps at 40MHz and 100Mbps at 20MHz, it will be also option 50Mhz so it will be around 300Mbps :P

Can AC from MT do this? I think NO, NO, NO :D I have 2 x LHG AC and on NV2 i will reach only 25Mbps :D Shit!

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:21 pm
by antonmance
WoW really? :D At distance 7,2KM i will do 240Mbps real thoughput on 40MHz on pbe ac 500 :P

LT400AC on distance 5KM can send 400Mbps real thoughput at 80MHz, 200Mbps at 40MHz and 100Mbps at 20MHz, it will be also option 50Mhz so it will be around 300Mbps :P

Can AC from MT do this? I think NO, NO, NO :D I have 2 x LHG AC and on NV2 i will reach only 25Mbps :D Shit!
Dont believe, show 400M LT400AC, if so ill buy one.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:35 pm
by mistry7
WoW really? :D At distance 7,2KM i will do 240Mbps real thoughput on 40MHz on pbe ac 500 :P

LT400AC on distance 5KM can send 400Mbps real thoughput at 80MHz, 200Mbps at 40MHz and 100Mbps at 20MHz, it will be also option 50Mhz so it will be around 300Mbps :P

Can AC from MT do this? I think NO, NO, NO :D I have 2 x LHG AC and on NV2 i will reach only 25Mbps :D Shit!
Dont believe, show 400M LT400AC, if so ill buy one.
Same on Mimosa C5C 20 MHZ =130 MBit , 40 MHz about 280-300 MBit real TCP ( 5Km with RF Elements TP550)

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:46 pm
by djvolt1942
IMG_20181129_154120.jpg
IMG_20181129_154052.jpg

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:18 pm
by antonmance
IMG_20181129_154120.jpg
IMG_20181129_154052.jpg
Distance?

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:31 pm
by djvolt1942
2,75KM, frequency 5500, signal -61, tx-power only -4dbm!!! The same result will be on other like 6KM but now I cannot do the test, because peoples downloading :P But now you see that on 20MHz can do 130Mbps, you cannot do the same on LHG AC :D and never will be :P Maybe you have only 50-60Mbpa at 20MHz :P

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:50 pm
by antonmance
2,75KM, frequency 5500, signal -61, tx-power only -4dbm!!! The same result will be on other like 6KM but now I cannot do the test, because peoples downloading :P But now you see that on 20MHz can do 130Mbps, you cannot do the same on LHG AC :D and never will be :P Maybe you have only 50-60Mbpa at 20MHz :P
-4dbm to 2.7km ??? I dont believe. May be your spectre is very very very clean. May be ap and cpe are in the same room.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:03 pm
by djvolt1942
lt400ac.jpg

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:14 pm
by antonmance
lt400ac.jpg
Througoutput 0, wow

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:37 pm
by djvolt1942
Eh... You dont understand, you dont see max capacity? Capacity = max thoughput in AC mode in UBNT so there is 134Mbps in 20MHz!!!

Send me max thoughput and max capacity from LHG AC in 20MHz... I have two LHG AC, MT is shi*. in this point, this is my opinion.

From the other side I have ALU dishes 400mm for your LHG AC :P with ABS UV Covers, please check my following link :P

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:40 pm
by mistry7
Think about the last 10 ROS releases, there is much development for W60G, but nothing on 802.11ac, Mikrotik has no Interest in normal Wireless, we have no Wave 2, there are no signs for 802.11ax!

Mikrotik Wireless is more then outdated and the most Problems are ROS based, or say based on the own Wireless Drivers they use,

My M11G with Lede/ Openwrt and Ath10k performances much better then with Ros!

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:37 am
by 2jarek
YEP 1K Euro 6 months ago wasted for DISC/LHG/SQ ARM. Mikrotik sell me broken products & use my money for develop "kids controll" &many idiotic features. I Don't buy any ARM from 6 month, only classic LHG/SQ. NOW almost ALL links p2p changed for UBNT airfiber5 &works like charm. Only p2mp still mikrotik because can't easy migrate.

NOW 6.44 Beta 40 / 6.43.4 ARM family all AC products:
1)NV2 broken because half speed (all mikrotik NV2 platforms are slow but NV2+ARM slow like RB133C CRAP)
2)802.11 sometimes random latency spikes on all ARM AC brides/apclients/NAT/router no matter

This ARM hardware have powerful possibilities but mikrotik don't want or cant develop ?
Maybe mikrotik gave us exchange program one used LHG AC for classic old LHG ?

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:10 am
by mistry7
Whats about collecting all arm devices and put it on the desk in March ( MuM Europe) and ask Face to Face, what they can offer as solution?

gets a thick pile of electrical waste

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 3:38 pm
by server8
Vienna is not far away from italy :-)

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 3:53 pm
by honzam
My M11G with Lede/ Openwrt and Ath10k performances much better then with Ros!
Can you share any results? The same configuration with LEDE and with ROS?

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 6:47 pm
by mistry7
My M11G with Lede/ Openwrt and Ath10k performances much better then with Ros!
Can you share any results? The same configuration with LEDE and with ROS?
They are installed with Wave 2 PCIE Modules from Compex
Next time I prepare new ones I will try Mikrotik AC modules too

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:38 pm
by ahteran
My M11G with Lede/ Openwrt and Ath10k performances much better then with Ros!
Can you share any results? The same configuration with LEDE and with ROS?
They are installed with Wave 2 PCIE Modules from Compex
Next time I prepare new ones I will try Mikrotik AC modules too
Compex wave2 work in routeros?

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:10 pm
by honzam
Compex wave2 work in routeros?
In ROS no, but in LEDE yes

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:13 am
by mfr476
Compex wave2 work in routeros?
In ROS no, but in LEDE yes


Share please :D

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 5:51 pm
by server8
menmnto :-(

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:26 pm
by mfr476
New news?

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:33 pm
by djvolt1942
yes, no problems with NV2 :D

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:21 am
by 2jarek
Big PCQ QUEUE help a little from AP side(Interface QUEUE only no tree 0 firewall fast forward bridge). 500KB limit Image

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:40 pm
by UpRunTech
Apparently there is a diagnosis and there are patches in the pipeline.

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:06 pm
by mistry7
Apparently there is a diagnosis and there are patches in the pipeline.
After 8 or 9 unsuccessful patches and 12 month this issue is unfixed I don’t believe that

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:27 pm
by mfr476
We have a Big problem, please @mikrotik solve. If need something of user mikrotik only need sais us. We are wisp and nedd solutions. @mikrotik is not other bad brand...

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:38 am
by mistry7
@normis
We are close to a solution to the Nv2+ARM performance issue, please hold on for a day or two, when we will release the changes in RC release chain, for first testing.
Close enough or is this cold case closed, like Spectral Scan?

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:57 pm
by honzam
We have a Big problem, please @mikrotik solve. If need something of user mikrotik only need sais us. We are wisp and nedd solutions. @mikrotik is not other bad brand...
We are also WISP and we are dealing with the same problem. I think it's about a large number of WISPs and @Mikrotik does not solve it anyway... :(

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:12 pm
by mistry7
We have a Big problem, please @mikrotik solve. If need something of user mikrotik only need sais us. We are wisp and nedd solutions. @mikrotik is not other bad brand...
We are also WISP and we are dealing with the same problem. I think it's about a large number of WISPs and @Mikrotik does not solve it anyway... :(

Why solve it, when people’s buy this crap unfixed?
My distri asked last week why my Mikrotik amount is near to nothing in Q3 and Q4, and he sees that not only at us.....

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:40 pm
by mfr476
I had the hardware yet....

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:11 am
by mfr476
Does New firm work fine?

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:11 pm
by server8
Does New firm work fine?
NO

Re: ARM devices and NV2 protocol

Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:34 pm
by server8
I have partially to correct myself: the last firmware still miss the slot but now it works a little bit better but 30% slower than old AC hardware