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Point 2 Point -2000M Boat Races

Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:32 pm

I am looking for an outdoor ptp system of approximately 2000m.
One post would be well off the ground and the other post would be near the ground (clear line of sight).
The high post would be a permanent fixture (physical control/security, power etc......)
The low post would have to be a temporary fixture, it may be possible to leave the framework there and attach equipment when needed and thus would need to be re-aligned for each use and a generator brought in I suppose to provide power.
Think start line, low port, and finish line high post!

What equipment mix would work best for this requirement. The connection is mostly over water.
 
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Re: Point 2 Point -2000M Boat Races

Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:06 pm

Bump, okay I will accept MT input (not just forum users input lol). This is not a hard question!
Need solid link over 2K distance with one end being a temp install each time its needed lets say 5 times per year.
 
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Re: Point 2 Point -2000M Boat Races

Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:32 pm

Sounds like a neat project. I don't have a lot of experience in that area to say.
 
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Re: Point 2 Point -2000M Boat Races

Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:47 pm

Looking into this, out of curiosity, it seems that this pdf would indicate (scroll down to maximum distance comparison) the LHG 5 would be sufficient. Here are some others. It uses MIPSBE, so none of the Arm issues. This covers PTP, now what else do you need?
 
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Re: Point 2 Point -2000M Boat Races

Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:12 pm

Thanks pcunite.........
For a bit more the xl5ac covers both ac and and n spectrums and is thus more appealing (compared to the regular 5ac $10 more bucks).
I have no idea of the amount of interference i might get and the influence of over water bit and thus would want more options for freq.
I was hoping for a 60ghz solution which should have zero people using that besides ourselves LOL.

The QRT and dynadish are both appealing for the same reasons.
Can I mix and match antennas?
For example have a highpower dynadish at the tower site and a xl5ac at the ground site.
Assuming the tower site will be a fixed antenna and not adjusted, well at the first go around yes but after that, each time I setup, the ground site will be the determinant for aiming.
So what is the best antenna for setting up at the ground site, temp installs where I can easily attach and aim to match up with the tower site.


What range can I expect from two LHG Lite60s in a ptp connection???
 
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Re: Point 2 Point -2000M Boat Races

Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:57 pm

First of all, none of MT 60Ghz will work over 2000 meters with good speed and stabilty.
You may use cheap and simply sqSXT or Disk Lite series if you have small budget, or you may use lhg 5, ac or not - in 802.11 there are no difference, TDMA protocols like nstreme/nv2 not needed for Ptp
And third solution, I'm personally prerefer this - OmniTik 5AC as stationar installment and LHG 5 AC XL - as temporary install. Simply install lhg on the temporary "outpost", target to omnitik and use. No need to mount/dismount omnitik every time and you may target to it from any point with reliable distance and clear LOS.
 
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Re: Point 2 Point -2000M Boat Races

Thu Feb 21, 2019 7:51 pm

There are some developments wrt to 60GHz: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=133374&p=705390&hil ... ge#p705311
 
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Re: Point 2 Point -2000M Boat Races

Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:27 pm

Thanks Sebastia, by the way I lost a whole evening reading that thread LOL.
Seems like some folks have aluminum skulls ;-P

Avacha, when you make inaccurate claims (see sebastias comment and link +4K) it detracts from the validity of your post, however I am very much interested in the valuable hopefully accurate information regarding setup and ease of getting a temp site up and set and aimed quickly! That is very important.
If you want to state that the 60HZ stuff is finicky as shit and difficult wrt to setup for two STATIC and PERMANENT sites let alone one that is temporary I would wholeheartedly agree based on reading real world feedback.

Thus I am keen on more information regarding your experience using the solution proposed:
OmniTik 5AC as stationary installment and LHG 5 AC XL - as temporary site device.

How hard is it to aim the LHG5 at the OMNI and get a link that is viable, we would be happy with a throughput that would allow a laptop to connect to a switch at the other end and then to the internet. I suppose we could always then provide a local AP and provide wifi at the start site as well.......... hmmmmm

The only question I have is what real world distances have you obtained with that setup and how consistent is it, let say in wind, or light rain.

Finally, the OmniTik does not have a beamed signal, its omni?????? Are you sure its a candidate????
 
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Re: Point 2 Point -2000M Boat Races

Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:41 pm

In any case the distance is now down to 1000m, from 2000m.
So the 60Hz should work fine, but I am still offput by the difficulty in people managing to aim the bloody things.
 
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Re: Point 2 Point -2000M Boat Races

Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:20 am

In any case the distance is now down to 1000m, from 2000m.
So the 60Hz should work fine, but I am still offput by the difficulty in people managing to aim the bloody things.

I would think some sort of a geared head might help.
 
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Re: Point 2 Point -2000M Boat Races

Wed Mar 06, 2019 10:32 pm

Original LHG60 have some problems >1500m generally in the rain and snow.

>1500m I suggest use our dish 600mm, stability is confirm by the one of our customer: https://ispforum.cz/viewtopic.php?p=250027#p250027

We also prepairing Backup as 2 x rpsma in the back of the dish for other Radios
 
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Re: Point 2 Point -2000M Boat Races

Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:48 pm

I have to agree with djvolt. I wanted to use the LHG60 for a distance around 1800m. This was very problematic. :(

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