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Wifi range is really bad for a reason

Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:26 pm

So, if my phone is near the router, so that said - on my PC, the wifi signal is very good, but if I decide to go to the kitchen, which is 5-10 steps further the wifi drops very fast, even the connection is lost.

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Re: Wifi range is really bad for a reason

Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:28 pm

Surely you're aware that 5GHz signal drops quite quickly with the distance and doesn't run "around the corner".
 
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Re: Wifi range is really bad for a reason

Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:43 pm

With 2,4GHz is basically the same, a tiny bit better.
 
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Re: Wifi range is really bad for a reason

Wed Jul 10, 2019 6:35 pm

Which frequency you are talking about:
2.4Ghz : interference --> real issue on 2.4G, If you have lot of neighbours this kills range...
5Ghz, older devices/phones have pretty bad 5GHz performance. Newer smart phones have 2x2 5Ghz Wifi which is providing better coverage.
With that 5Ghz should still reach across one concrete wall at least.
Then what AP are you using? 4x4 5GHz does better than 2x2 or just 1x1 .. clear with a hap ac lite your 5G range will be very limited.
 
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Re: Wifi range is really bad for a reason

Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:46 pm

Im using hAP ac². That being said im using an Huawei P20 lite and yes, there's only one concrete wall between my room and the kitchen. Previously i used an old tplink 940nd and i didn't have any issues like that.
 
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Re: Wifi range is really bad for a reason

Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:15 pm

Fix the channel and change with no EU country for example Canada !
 
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Re: Wifi range is really bad for a reason

Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:54 pm

It's me again.. The problem still persist.. Sorry for the late reply, but..

When I go to the kitchen the signal strength is just awful. Even with Canada as a country.

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Re: Wifi range is really bad for a reason

Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:06 pm

What does the number -54 in column just left of the bar chart mean? If it's signal strength, then that's a very good signal, most of wireless devices will normally work down to around -75 ... and by "normally work" I mean they will get throughput around 1/4 of nominal speed (if nominal speed is, say, 533Mbps, then realistic throughput will be somewhere around 130Mbps).
 
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Re: Wifi range is really bad for a reason

Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:19 pm

That should be the signal strength in dB

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When im near the device, so said on my PC - the signal is good, the speeds too - 72 Mbps Download, 69 Mbps Upload, but when I go to the kitchen which is literally 10 steps and 1 wall the signal just go dooown, extremely poor signal witch 9 mbps down and 7 mbps, that said this is for 5mhz, if i change it to 2,4 its a little bit better but still the signal is more than bad.
 
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Re: Wifi range is really bad for a reason

Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:35 pm

10 steps and 1 wall - specially if the wall is reinforced concrete - is huge for 5GHz and big for 2.4GHz ...

What's the signal strength (numeric value) in the kitchen?
 
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Re: Wifi range is really bad for a reason

Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:51 pm

2,4 MHz:
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5 MHz:
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Re: Wifi range is really bad for a reason

Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:55 pm

Signal strength of -85 is, as you discovered yourself, beyond the edge of usability ... So it seems you'll have to add another AP for those WiFi enabled kitchen appliances ....
 
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Re: Wifi range is really bad for a reason

Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:59 pm

So, I need to buy something to extend the signal, or ?
 
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Re: Wifi range is really bad for a reason

Fri Sep 06, 2019 5:26 pm

Preferably add another AP which would connect to LAN using cable. If that's not possible, add another dual-band AP and use one of frequency bands for point-to-point connection between existing AP and the new one. Wireless range extenders (repeaters) are worst solution because they consume air-time of "master" AP and thus reduce available bandwidth to around one half for just every wireless client.
 
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Re: Wifi range is really bad for a reason

Fri Sep 06, 2019 5:30 pm

Well, I guess i'll need help with making a new AP, since i don't know how to do what you suggested. :lol:
 
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Re: Wifi range is really bad for a reason

Fri Sep 06, 2019 5:46 pm

As I wrote: get another Mikrotik AP which has dual-band wireless. Another hAP ac2 would be great, hAP ac lite would do as well (but worse than hAP ac2 as it only has single chain 5GHz).
Then you'll have to find a spot, where signal strength of existing AP is at least -75 dB and at the same time offers good coverage of kitchen.

Then you apply some magical config on both APs to make it work (I have such a setup running so I can help). Bonus of such setup: you'll get wired LAN at the position of the secondary AP ... free of charge :wink:
 
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Re: Wifi range is really bad for a reason

Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:30 pm

Can I just use my old 940nd? Which is 2,4mhz just for AP? It still working, i just needed an upgrade. And use the 5mhz just in the room, for my PS4 and TV, 2,4 for everything else
 
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Re: Wifi range is really bad for a reason

Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:15 pm

If you will use your TP-Link, you'll 1) use same frequency for both connection between APs and connection clinent-TPLink (loosing lots of capacity) and 2) have huge problems with connectiviry between TP-Link clients and the rest of LAN ... It wouldn't even work as wireless repeater because that reliably works only when both AP and repeater are same from same vendor.

So in short: lots of headaches

Well, there is possibility to use your old 940ND: grab a pair of PowerLine adapters to create wired connection between hAP ac2 and 940ND.
 
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Re: Wifi range is really bad for a reason

Tue Apr 14, 2020 7:54 pm

the hap lite is a mystery ...
been working for months on testing it i never get it working stable for last 6months
it is worst than an old TPlink 841nd

while u are standing next to the AP
- the death of deauth, sending disconnect....
- signal strength like 31-35.. extensive data loss sending disconnect....

don't throw me the FAQ...

tried the security profiles tricks... different wifi channels, reduce band to 20/10mhz
changing HW retries, random reboot and kicked out from winbox

nothing set for this AP, just ordinary AP....
*i had an hap ac2 too, it run fine...

no matter it is on a 6.45 long term, 6.46 stable.
i don't find this hap lite is a solution to help me.... i feel i paid to be beta tester to Mikrotik not a customer.

i am freaking out to get the cAP ac or a ac2 to act as an AP to run capsman
probably my last mikrotik purchase... sadly.....
 
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Re: Wifi range is really bad for a reason

Wed Apr 15, 2020 5:42 pm

@kilokilo start your own thread if you have questions,

sadistic - if you have another wifi router or access point kicking around that is a perfect candidate to use for whatever brand of wifi it provides (2.4 or 5ghz).
The only caveat is to use different channels from the wifi from the hapac2.
The best option is NOT to use repeating modes etc. but to wire it into your network.
So putting a wall jack on either side of that wall would do the trick for example, of maybe you already have ethernet in the kitchen.
Another option is to use powerline (extend ethernet over the electrical wiring).
Another option is to use existing coax wiring if there is any in the kitchen.

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