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Wifi equipment for 70m distance behind windows

Tue Jul 23, 2019 5:46 pm

Hi all!

Question about choosing best equipment...
I want to connect two buildings, away maybe 70m. LOS perfect! Floor is on the same height!
In first building is ccr1009, HFC 150/15 mbps, with ip range 192.168.32.0/24.
In second building hap ac2, HFC 70/10mps, with ip range 192.168.34.0/24 and dhcp server.
In first building all ip address are static.
There is one potential condition...equipment will be behind windows because no drilling outside is allowed...maybe equipment on building one could be outside :-)
What i want...good speed for data transfer ( synology server on both sides) and wan failover...
Thanx for helping me...
 
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Re: Wifi equipment for 70m distance behind windows

Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:12 pm

I would look at their 60G product line.
This would be the lowest cost option and it can be a window to window solution however, they do provide the following caution: "This device penetrates some windows depending on material."

https://mikrotik.com/product/wap_60g

They come as a pre-setup connected kit........
https://mikrotik.com/product/wireless_wire

Overkill and only an outdoor setup....
https://mikrotik.com/product/wireless_wire_dish
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Re: Wifi equipment for 70m distance behind windows

Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:02 am

I would look at their 60G product line.
This would be the lowest cost option and it can be a window to window solution however, they do provide the following caution: "This device penetrates some windows depending on material."

https://mikrotik.com/product/wap_60g

They come as a pre-setup connected kit........
https://mikrotik.com/product/wireless_wire

Overkill and only an outdoor setup....
https://mikrotik.com/product/wireless_wire_dish
Thx for your reply.
I will definitely try with your suggestion.
Hope it will work behind windows.
2x 5ghz sxt - what about that solution? Mount them inside room near window? Maybe will penetrate glass and protection better than 60ghz range?
 
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Re: Wifi equipment for 70m distance behind windows

Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:06 am

No need for holes try something like This

https://rover.ebay.de/rover/0/0/99?loc= ... 3061020036

Use 60Ghz outside only !
 
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Re: Wifi equipment for 70m distance behind windows

Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:13 am

No need for holes try something like This

https://rover.ebay.de/rover/0/0/99?loc= ... 3061020036

Use 60Ghz outside only !
very interesting solution !!!
But drilling through windows for cable is not an option.
 
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Re: Wifi equipment for 70m distance behind windows

Wed Jul 24, 2019 6:26 am

There Are so small cables avaible that No Drilling is needed...

https://www.intos.de/produktuebersicht/ ... =5N9cjAIQM
 
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Re: Wifi equipment for 70m distance behind windows

Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:10 am

There Are so small cables avaible that No Drilling is needed...

https://www.intos.de/produktuebersicht/ ... =5N9cjAIQM
What about POE on this cable? .... or any other slim cable?
 
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Re: Wifi equipment for 70m distance behind windows

Wed Jul 24, 2019 2:12 pm

We have a 60m wireless wire link here with one end in a window, and the other outside which works fine.

However it may not work depending on the type of glass.

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Re: Wifi equipment for 70m distance behind windows

Wed Jul 24, 2019 7:08 pm

We have a 60m wireless wire link here with one end in a window, and the other outside which works fine.

However it may not work depending on the type of glass.

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Ok...will try with 60ghz...
Any ideas for POE and slim cables?
 
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Re: Wifi equipment for 70m distance behind windows

Fri Jul 26, 2019 8:19 am

OK...things have changed a little bit.
In the other building (where my sister lives) i have electricity on balcony.
So if i wanna avoid lan cables, i suppose i could use 2wifi card hardware (or some other equipment combination) to connect my network, and on the other side her hap ac2.

I need hardware recommendation and configuration example ( which wifi mode on what equipent).
Just for a reminder....
In first building is ccr1009, HFC 150/15 mbps, with ip range 192.168.32.0/24. - a few VLANs for guest wifi networks (HAP AC), and a few CRS for home network.
In second building hap ac2, HFC 70/10mps, with ip range 192.168.34.0/24 and dhcp server.
In first building all ip address are static.
100mbps link would be just fine

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Re: Wifi equipment for 70m distance behind windows

Fri Jul 26, 2019 1:49 pm

If the reason for avoiding LAN cables is fear for interference from power lines to UTP cables or fear for some power surges, then you could use fibre connection between the "main wireless hop" (building-2-building) and their hAP ac2 ... dumb media converters supporting multi-mode fibre and 10/100 Mbps ethernet can be found for less than 50 USD a piece ... surely that would perform better than some short-range WiFi hop ...
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Re: Wifi equipment for 70m distance behind windows

Fri Jul 26, 2019 5:25 pm

If the reason for avoiding LAN cables is fear for interference from power lines to UTP cables or fear for some power surges, then you could use fibre connection between the "main wireless hop" (building-2-building) and their hAP ac2 ... dumb media converters supporting multi-mode fibre and 10/100 Mbps ethernet can be found for less than 50 USD a piece ... surely that would perform better than some short-range WiFi hop ...
The reason is very bad position of main router in building2 and i am not allowed to drill holes in wall.
I managed to connect the router with ap on balcony with poweline but performance is pretty poor...something lime 30mbps.
On the other hand, wifi from main router to station on balcony is preety good...tried with hap lite and 2ghz spectrum...5ghz spectrum interconnct with building1...but i have problem with wireless modes...don't know exactly how to put this all togehter in ROS and what water resistant equipment to use...
LAN or optical cable between buildings is not an option
 
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Re: Wifi equipment for 70m distance behind windows

Fri Jul 26, 2019 7:09 pm

If we set aside problem with powering (wireless powering wasn't seriously developed ever since Tesla failed to extort more money from J.P.Morgan), a wAP ac would make a good wireless hop.

As both hops (2.4 and 5GHz) would essentially be point-to-point, I'd configure them as nstreme bridges.
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Re: Wifi equipment for 70m distance behind windows

Fri Jul 26, 2019 8:40 pm

If we set aside problem with powering (wireless powering wasn't seriously developed ever since Tesla failed to extort more money from J.P.Morgan), a wAP ac would make a good wireless hop.

As both hops (2.4 and 5GHz) would essentially be point-to-point, I'd configure them as nstreme bridges.
Powering is not a problem...i have power outlet on balcony.
A what to use for device in building 1?
 
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Re: Wifi equipment for 70m distance behind windows

Fri Jul 26, 2019 8:59 pm

Powering is not a problem...i have power outlet on balcony.
A what to use for device in building 1?
I'm not sure if supplied power adapter is weatherproof as well ...

For the building1 any routerboard with 2.4GHz wireless would do. In absence of other ideas/reasons I'd go with second wAP ac (for no particular reason other than that you'd be buying two identical units at the same time rising probability of both failing at around same time) ... you can use 5GHz radio as wifi AP for that part of building1 (can be different subnet, you'd deploy VLANs betwern wAP and main router to separate LAN traffic from the inter-building stuff).
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