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hAP AC2+cAP AC Roaming is a joke

Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:03 pm

After spending about few weeks tweaking, tried countless methods just for improving roaming experience, I give up.

They just don't designed to work together, the roaming experience is so bad no matter how I try, AP bridge/Mesh with same channel/CAPsMAN/AP bridge with disable RSTP/ enable PMKID..... you name it, they just don't work, and MikroTik guys just keep telling us they got nothing to do with roaming, then why other vendors can do? For example, just setup two units as AP bridge normally and let your mobile to do the roaming, my phone can roam successfully with any home routers/AP (Asus, TP-Link, Netgear, Huawei, Youhua.... mix and match), but with hAP AC2 + cAP AC, my phone will drop 8~10pings and end up connection dropped and establish new connection to nearest AP, how could this happened? Those home routers/AP has no k/v/r supported too, they don't even know each other, why they can but MikroTik cannot?

Disable RSTP? It improved my roaming, my phone will now connect to the nearest AP with just 1 or 2 pings drop, sound nice ya? But soon I found my phone connection will hangs about 10 seconds after roaming, every time!

CAPsMAN? Yes it helped in my roaming experience but still 3~4pings dropped, and significantly slow my throughput, my download speed will capped at max 370mbps and become unstable, sometimes 120mbps, sometimes 200mbps, sometimes 70mbps. Tried many firmware version including beta version, nothing helps.

Download test fails me too, they gonna take few seconds to reach max speed like an old man climbing hill, 100~180~220~170~370~430 then finally 470, and most of the time will stuck at 300~350, sometimes even give me 220+ only.

Now I replace them with a cheap cheap TP-Link Deco M4 (look at the price) and all the problems gone, max speed 520mbps, band steering, k/v/r supported, roaming flawlessly with almost no ping drop, reach max download speed within a second, I did some stress test with all the devices in my house, about 16 of it, some do transfer file from NAS/youtube 4k streaming/speedtest/ping test at the same time, they performs even better than hAP+cAP, the only advantage of business class loses to the cheap TP-Link too, funny.

I bought this 2 units is for improve my network, but it only gets me headache.
 
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Re: hAP AC2+cAP AC Roaming is a joke

Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:30 pm

Do you want to let us know with this post that you have found the right brand of wireless networking devices for you?
This is CapsMan with а few of cAP ac with connected and powered by them mAP Lites. Same SSID, roaming, shaper with QOS etc...no packet loss , just no problems !!!
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Re: hAP AC2+cAP AC Roaming is a joke

Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:36 pm

For sure CAPsMAN can do roaming, but how about the experience of it? Video call hangs for 2~4 seconds during roaming and total throughput is low, I dunno why it will slow the things down as I monitored the CPU usage and nothing special, CPU is just about 10% (1 core 50%+-), I have really no ideal what causes the download speed down from 470mbps to 360mbps.

Please don't get me wrong, I'm still using hAP AC2 as my main router and I think it's the best router for me, really happy with it, but just the wireless, even now I'm done with it I will surely keep the cAP AC for future, maybe they fixed all the problems (MAYBE), or else I will use it as a router with some APs and disable the wireless.
 
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Re: hAP AC2+cAP AC Roaming is a joke

Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:00 pm

i have seen in some situations, mikrotik bridge do not allow for MAC adress to jump from one bridge interface to another quickly, that's the only issue with roaming i have seen

even without that bridge issue of course you have a brief interruption in communications, i think that is normal for consumer applications and equipment
 
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Re: hAP AC2+cAP AC Roaming is a joke

Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:12 pm

I hope in new ROSv7 have a lot of improvements, optimization and other protocol aviability in wireless part ! The Roaming works well, but only for reconnecting to device with strongest signal like 802.11k !
 
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Re: hAP AC2+cAP AC Roaming is a joke

Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:40 pm

Roaming is always tricky to get right, as it was not envisioned in the original WiFi standard and has later been bolted on, but certainly MikroTik is not the best starting point as it lacks even basic support for roaming. In the MikroTik world, roaming is still "up to the client to do" and this leads to all kinds of problems, especially when you are trying to carpet an area with WiFi coverage.
 
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Re: hAP AC2+cAP AC Roaming is a joke

Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:04 am

In the MikroTik world, roaming is still "up to the client to do" and this leads to all kinds of problems, especially when you are trying to carpet an area with WiFi coverage.
Which unfortunately usually puts you in a place where you have to specify the correct kit for the job.
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Re: hAP AC2+cAP AC Roaming is a joke

Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:42 am

Indeed. Seeing that the cAP AC is their high-end ceiling access point clearly shows they are not interested in that market.
 
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Re: hAP AC2+cAP AC Roaming is a joke

Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:42 pm

I hope in new ROSv7 have a lot of improvements, optimization and other protocol aviability in wireless part ! The Roaming works well, but only for reconnecting to device with strongest signal like 802.11k !
Lol, 802.11ax is on the way, and Mk still has this buggy non-certified mess instead 802.11ac. They don’t even think about ros 7, I won’t even surprise if company is in bad financial situation due to lost EU contracts....
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Re: hAP AC2+cAP AC Roaming is a joke

Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:48 pm

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Re: hAP AC2+cAP AC Roaming is a joke

Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:16 pm

They don’t even think about ros 7,
RouterOS 7 Beta is available for download: viewforum.php?f=1
 
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Re: hAP AC2+cAP AC Roaming is a joke

Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:33 pm

In the MikroTik world, roaming is still "up to the client to do"
In the whole world with every AP vendor and every client device, roaming is ALWAYS "up to the client".

To clarify that - the client always makes the decision based on information it has learnt from the RF environment around it AND also from any additional information provided by APs they are connected to that support additional 802.11 standards such as 802.11k/r/v etc.

An AP can be configured with access list rules to disconnect a client earlier than they expected to encourage them to roam early but there is nothing to stop that client then instantly trying to re-associate back to the same identical AP again, then being kicked off again until after many many seconds later, the 'stupid' client software eventually choosing for themselves they want to roam elsewhere.

So yeah sadly, it's always up to the client. It's not just a "MikroTik thing".
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Re: hAP AC2+cAP AC Roaming is a joke

Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:18 pm

In the MikroTik world, roaming is still "up to the client to do"
In the whole world with every AP vendor and every client device, roaming is ALWAYS "up to the client".
No, with the more expensive systems that do "seamless roaming" it is the AP/controller that decides where the client is served.
Of course that system also has some disadvantages and also the systems in the price segment where MikroTik operates do not offer this (AFAIK).
 
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Re: hAP AC2+cAP AC Roaming is a joke

Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:35 pm

No, with the more expensive systems that do "seamless roaming" it is the AP/controller that decides where the client is served.
What you are referring to here is technically not a roaming, because in this case clients do not really roam, but are rather constantly talking to a single huge AP with spatially distributed radio elements. This approach clearly has advantages, but those come at a cost.
 
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Re: hAP AC2+cAP AC Roaming is a joke

Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:48 pm

WOW! Sounds like a lot of folks are stuck in Wifi 4 (Wifi 6 was just announced by WFA this Monday)!

Wifi can do roaming, seamlessly with the phones which are in the market since 2-3 years!
Its offered by couple of retail MESH solutions which work well, and is becoming part of EasyMesh
standardization to be able to use CAP from one vendor and an extender form another one (at least that is the theory).

Those who don't believe it, please try those out. Those who know it, and tested it, are indeed highly frustrated
with the Wifi limitations of Mikrotik right now. CAPSMan is a (very good) provisioning tool but nothing really
for smart Wifi.

The solution might be the just announced "Audience" product, which I hope offers MESH/roamin. Maybe
Mikrotik offers from here onward more functions in ROS around this.
Only drawback, with 160-180 euro per device (you need two of them), you end up at exactly the same cost as the retail products.
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Re: hAP AC2+cAP AC Roaming is a joke

Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:56 pm

WeWiNet, my personal suggestion is to step back from the marketing language and read the above posters, they are very knowledgeable people and can enlighten you on how these protocols actually work (or don't). I trust them and highly recommend you to pay more attention to what they say.
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Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:11 pm

What you are referring to here is technically not a roaming, because in this case clients do not really roam, but are rather constantly talking to a single huge AP with spatially distributed radio elements. This approach clearly has advantages, but those come at a cost.
Yes, it is clear to me that it operates at layer 1 instead of layer 2 and that it means that all your APs are mostly sharing the same radio bandwidth.
But it solves the problem of roaming, especially the decision-making process in the client that tends to hold on to the latest connected AP until it loses the connection, then connects to another AP.

With the proper fast roaming support that transition can be faster than without it, but the issue of sub-optimal radio coverage just after you have moved remains until the client detects it. And the seamless roaming solution does not suffer from that.

It is comparable to the co-channel diversity amateur repeaters that I have worked on: seamless connectivity over a large area, but only a single talking channel.
 
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Re: hAP AC2+cAP AC Roaming is a joke

Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:39 pm

RouterOS 7 uses Linux Kernel 4.14.131. Doesn´t this one provide e.g. native 802.11r/k support with IPQ4018/IPQ4019 based chipsets? So, the problem wit hAP ac2 + cAP ac could be automatically be resolved...?
 
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Re: hAP AC2+cAP AC Roaming is a joke

Wed Sep 18, 2019 8:45 am

anuser, no matter what the kernel is capable of, most programs and drivers are made in-house.
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Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:05 am

... most programs and drivers are made in-house.

I think this is what makes more and more members of this forum lament on. Regarding bugs and missing features.
Mikrotik decided to use OpenSource for the bootloader and the kernel at least (NTP? OpenVPN?). But most drivers and protocols are obviously developed in house. While other vendors use hardware manufacture's drivers and/or OpenSource software. This later aproach has a much bigger number of users, testers and developers behind it. So bugs could be find quicker and new features developed faster. Mikrotik seems to be lagging behind, e.g. 802.11v/k/r, Let's Encrypt, ... you name it.

If you just want to sell more hardware, maybe open up the bootloader and (actively) support installing OpenWRT (and the like) on your RouterBoards.
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Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:08 pm

I think this is what makes more and more members of this forum lament on. Regarding bugs and missing features.
Mikrotik decided to use OpenSource for the bootloader and the kernel at least (NTP? OpenVPN?). But most drivers and protocols are obviously developed in house. While other vendors use hardware manufacture's drivers and/or OpenSource software. This later aproach has a much bigger number of users, testers and developers behind it. So bugs could be find quicker and new features developed faster. Mikrotik seems to be lagging behind, e.g. 802.11v/k/r, Let's Encrypt, ... you name it.

If you just want to sell more hardware, maybe open up the bootloader and (actively) support installing OpenWRT (and the like) on your RouterBoards.
Firstly, I'd rather mikrotik concentrate on what they do really well with the hardware and software on the routerboards rather than try and "open up" the platform. I don't think it needs it and it would just create a support headache for them. If you want an OpenWRT box then buy one and not a mikrotik router.

Also creating the drivers in house means that they can get the best from the hardware and have control of the whole unit. Otherwise they'd be at the mercy of third parties to update drivers if problems/exploits are found and that has the potential to not to happen for other than the new hardware. I want the knowledge that if an exploit/issue is found then I can put the latest RouterOS (once the fix is confirmed in it from the changelogs) onto any routerboard I own and the problem is fixed and not waiting on a third party to provide a driver update as well at some unknown point in the future.
 
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Re: hAP AC2+cAP AC Roaming is a joke

Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:12 pm

No, with the more expensive systems that do "seamless roaming" it is the AP/controller that decides where the client is served.
Of course that system also has some disadvantages and also the systems in the price segment where MikroTik operates do not offer this (AFAIK).
I believe you are referring to Single Channel Architecture from what was called 'Meru' now Fortinet. That is a whole new ball game and is not controlling roaming between APs. The difference with SCA is that there is NO roaming on the part of the client as there is only one BSSID and therefore with only one BSSID the client has no need to roam as they believe they are always connected to the same device. Fortinet SCA also introduced virtual cells, where they allow multiple BSSIDs on multiple channels, in which case even with this system, the client decides when to roam between virtual cells. Not the AP or the controller, the client.
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Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:25 pm

WOW! Sounds like a lot of folks are stuck in Wifi 4 (Wifi 6 was just announced by WFA this Monday)!

Wifi can do roaming, seamlessly with the phones which are in the market since 2-3 years!
Its offered by couple of retail MESH solutions which work well, and is becoming part of EasyMesh
standardization to be able to use CAP from one vendor and an extender form another one (at least that is the theory).
Shame that sales departments sell products not engineers.
The client devices make the decision to roam on every meshed network product, not the AP, regardless of what the marketing guys want you to believe. The only decision an AP, or a Meshed set of APs can ever do is inform the client with data about the environment that the client may not have been able to determine for itself. E.g. how many clients are connected to an AP, how occupied an AP is, what other APs there are nearby and all of that data can then be passed to the client via additional standards such as 802.11k/r/v. Once the client has received that data, IT then decides where to roam to.
To put it another way, the AP can suggest ideas to the connected device, inform the client about what the best thing is to do. But if the client wants to act stupid and do something different, that's up the client device. The AP cannot force it where to roam to. Regardless of the clever wording used by their marketing department to suggest or claim otherwise.
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Re: hAP AC2+cAP AC Roaming is a joke

Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:00 pm

There’s been a lot of technical logics been discussing, it seems like MikroTik is doing the right way, but the only result is : BAD.

As an end users, we only care about the result, no matter how high end or how deep you can go for to explain it, we just care about the result. If MikroTik is the only AP manufacturer in the world, I will believe what you explain to us, but when there are a lot of manufacturers out there, and many of them doing it well, I can’t convince myself to believe it.

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Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:21 pm

WOW! Sounds like a lot of folks are stuck in Wifi 4 (Wifi 6 was just announced by WFA this Monday)!

Wifi can do roaming, seamlessly with the phones which are in the market since 2-3 years!
Its offered by couple of retail MESH solutions which work well, and is becoming part of EasyMesh
standardization to be able to use CAP from one vendor and an extender form another one (at least that is the theory).
Shame that sales departments sell products not engineers.
The client devices make the decision to roam on every meshed network product, not the AP, regardless of what the marketing guys want you to believe. The only decision an AP, or a Meshed set of APs can ever do is inform the client with data about the environment that the client may not have been able to determine for itself. E.g. how many clients are connected to an AP, how occupied an AP is, what other APs there are nearby and all of that data can then be passed to the client via additional standards such as 802.11k/r/v. Once the client has received that data, IT then decides where to roam to.
To put it another way, the AP can suggest ideas to the connected device, inform the client about what the best thing is to do. But if the client wants to act stupid and do something different, that's up the client device. The AP cannot force it where to roam to. Regardless of the clever wording used by their marketing department to suggest or claim otherwise.
You are right, an old printer or 11bgn IOT device will not roam and also some chaps with old phones. But you don;t care as they don't need to move really.
But 90% of your customers that move from one AP or extender to another one are mobile phones/tablets and those are the ones complain that they
are no connected or have glitches etc.
Phones/tablets are since couple of years perfectly able to support all the new standards to switch/change.

My point is, I like to have ROS, the swiss knife for Wireless which can do all Wifi applications with one device and one SW.
But we come to a point where I want more performance and functions for indoor use cases, and I will never us an RB4011 for instance as an outdoor PtP device.
Instead of that I would like to have some additional things that would allow to optimise further indoor networks on devices such as RB4011.
In the absence of that, I do use tuned Wifi access lists, but its pretty much a set up per each device, per location to be assigned to one or another. This does not scale at all and needs a lot of testing to work.
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Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:42 pm

My point is, I like to have ROS, the swiss knife for Wireless which can do all Wifi applications with one device and one SW.
But we come to a point where I want more performance and functions for indoor use cases, and I will never us an RB4011 for instance as an outdoor PtP device.
Instead of that I would like to have some additional things that would allow to optimise further indoor networks on devices such as RB4011.
In the absence of that, I do use tuned Wifi access lists, but its pretty much a set up per each device, per location to be assigned to one or another. This does not scale at all and needs a lot of testing to work.
If you've capsman setup correctly then devices should roam seamlessly between AP's. That's my, and others, experience of it. If devices aren't roaming properly then it's worth trying a survey of the area and looking at power levels on your AP's along with access lists.
 
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Wed Sep 18, 2019 3:31 pm

improving wifi roaming requires solid skill´s and experience on design, configuration and trouble-shooting of the wireless network, and it must be tested against client devices to spot client device bugs or limitations

you cannot get good roaming only taking in count which AP you buy

for example i have seen some android devices who roam nice and others who dont

for example i have seen some windows laptops who roam nice and others who dont

for example i have seen some wireless NIC on a laptop who roam nice with one version of driver and with another version of driver dont roam at all

in wifi networks client device always is a major part of the equation
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Wed Sep 18, 2019 3:48 pm

No, with the more expensive systems that do "seamless roaming" it is the AP/controller that decides where the client is served.
Of course that system also has some disadvantages and also the systems in the price segment where MikroTik operates do not offer this (AFAIK).
I believe you are referring to Single Channel Architecture from what was called 'Meru' now Fortinet. That is a whole new ball game and is not controlling roaming between APs. The difference with SCA is that there is NO roaming on the part of the client as there is only one BSSID and therefore with only one BSSID the client has no need to roam as they believe they are always connected to the same device. Fortinet SCA also introduced virtual cells, where they allow multiple BSSIDs on multiple channels, in which case even with this system, the client decides when to roam between virtual cells. Not the AP or the controller, the client.
There are several manufacturers who offer this option. The key point is the use of a single BSSID across APs, making the client move from one AP to the other without any participation and without it even knowing about it. Thus it also cannot go wrong based on client behavior or limitations (like not supporting newer protocols).
The limitation of course is that such a single-BSSID network can only live on a single channel, and so it limits the available bandwidth when compared to a network of a single SSID across multiple APs with different channels in use.
But as you write, you could still make a config with the same SSID on different channels each with a BSSID, the client would have to decide to roam between them but it would not affect performance assuming that the quality of the channels is the same. Maybe in an environment where some channels have interference from neighbors and others have not, it would be a problem that clients stick on the interfered channels, but the admin (or the controller software) could just turn those channels off and thus force everyone to the working channel(s).

Of course to implement such a system there have to be changes in the drivers and upper layer software, and there is a need for a "controller" to manage the actual connections (although one of the APs could take this function). It will also help when the configuration is done professionally, with measurements of the covered area of each AP and entering this data in a map understood by the controller. It may not be the market that MikroTik is interested in (also seeing that their top-of-the-line ceiling AP is a $69 unit with 2 chains only on each band).
It could also be that this system is somehow patented and needs to be licensed. I see that another wellknown AP manufacturer in the slightly higher market segment does not offer it either, probably for a reason.
 
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Re: hAP AC2+cAP AC Roaming is a joke

Thu Sep 19, 2019 6:50 pm

Adding a rule to the access list to kick devices below 87... really helped the roaming on my installs.
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Re: hAP AC2+cAP AC Roaming is a joke

Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:05 pm

Yeah, but as was written before this can also backfire on you, especially when you have no complete coverage of the entire building.
We had another installation where there was some feature configured to auto-add every device to a blacklist for 1 minute every 4 hours, to force everyone to roam should they have moved after initial connection.
As there was only coverage from 1 AP in certain spots, this effectively kicked off everyone in those spots in the middle of the working day.
Not a big issue when the network is only used for browsing, but in our case there were RDP and Citrix sessions that were interrupted etc.
 
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Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:15 pm

I won't pretend my Mikrotik Caps systems can touch My Ruckus systems.

but that kick below -87 in the access-list, is one of the easier tweaks that HELPED with roaming.
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Re: hAP AC2+cAP AC Roaming is a joke

Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:28 pm

Yeah, but as was written before this can also backfire on you, especially when you have no complete coverage of the entire building.
We had another installation where there was some feature configured to auto-add every device to a blacklist for 1 minute every 4 hours, to force everyone to roam should they have moved after initial connection.
As there was only coverage from 1 AP in certain spots, this effectively kicked off everyone in those spots in the middle of the working day.
Not a big issue when the network is only used for browsing, but in our case there were RDP and Citrix sessions that were interrupted etc.

from the moment of the design in which the location of the ap is defined you must take into account these adjustments to improve or force roaming without punishing the coverage

if the initial design did not contemplate that, a configuration will not solve it
 
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Re: hAP AC2+cAP AC Roaming is a joke

Fri Sep 20, 2019 7:52 pm

Works fine, admin is the problem
 
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Re: hAP AC2+cAP AC Roaming is a joke

Fri Sep 20, 2019 9:25 pm

Works fine, admin is the problem
Well, I'm just telling my feeling after comparing to the cheapest TP-Link mesh kit with k/v/r supported system, it makes my hAP AC2 + cAP AC looks like an idiot. Maximum download speed, roaming performance, handling multi clients, stability, all lost.

A person here said MikroTik don't use chipset stock driver due to better maintenance and no need to ask for mercy if any problem from the driver, end up we are now asking for mercy for MikroTik to add those highly demanded features like k/v/r and band steering.

If you only use MikroTik solution, you see no problem, until you try another solution from other vendor, you will know what we are talking about.

One man complaint, maybe mistake; many complaints, must be a reason.
 
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Re: hAP AC2+cAP AC Roaming is a joke

Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:13 am

Works fine, admin is the problem
Well, I'm just telling my feeling after comparing to the cheapest TP-Link mesh kit with k/v/r supported system, it makes my hAP AC2 + cAP AC looks like an idiot. Maximum download speed, roaming performance, handling multi clients, stability, all lost.

A person here said MikroTik don't use chipset stock driver due to better maintenance and no need to ask for mercy if any problem from the driver, end up we are now asking for mercy for MikroTik to add those highly demanded features like k/v/r and band steering.

If you only use MikroTik solution, you see no problem, until you try another solution from other vendor, you will know what we are talking about.

One man complaint, maybe mistake; many complaints, must be a reason.
Agree, Tplink EAP + OC control don't require alot config like capsman, just plug n play.
They have both roaming and bandsteering working smooth.
 
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Re: hAP AC2+cAP AC Roaming is a joke

Tue Sep 24, 2019 10:32 pm

Anyone who has attended or watched one of Ron's panels on WiFi realizes he is a very trustworthy source for information and advice. I would heed his words.

What I do see repeatedly mentioned is 802.11k/r/v, which as of now (to my knowledge) is completely absent from RouterOS.

I pray the Mikrotik guys bump that up on the priority roadmap. It's really important. When I hear "Mikrotik" brought up it's almost always followed by "wireless". I'd wager the majority of Mikrotik device sales are wireless in nature. The 802.11k/r/v standards are one of the highlight misses of Mikrotik devices.

This would be a GREAT Christmas 2019 holiday present to your customers! :wink:

Edit: Realizing that maybe the standards are unknown to some... so a quick elaboration:
802.11k = "Neighbor Reports"
802.11r = "Fast BSS Transition"
802.11v = "BSS Transition Management Frames"
...all intended to assist in roaming in CAP environments. As Ron said, it provides extended data to clients to assist with AP decisions/transitions and generally make them more accurate and smooth.
My Devices: CCR1009 Primary Router+Firewall / CRS328 main switch / 3x cAP AC / BaseBox 2 (RB912) 2.4Ghz AP / NetBox 5 (RB911G) 5Ghz AP / Handful of RB260GS switches.

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