Community discussions

MikroTik App
 
karelkrobath
just joined
Topic Author
Posts: 6
Joined: Thu Jan 09, 2020 12:32 pm

WIFI 6 Roadmap

Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:14 pm

Hi,

is there any info regarding an implementation of WIFI 6 or 802.1ax from Microtik?

With the rising numbers of other vendors releasing Wifi 6 hardware to the market i am wondering if there is timeline from Microtik.

Kind Greetings
Last edited by karelkrobath on Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:29 pm, edited 1 time in total.
 
User avatar
StubArea51
Trainer
Trainer
Posts: 1739
Joined: Fri Aug 10, 2012 6:46 am
Location: stubarea51.net
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:30 pm

I sure hope so! MIkroTIk WIFI6 would be amazing!
 
anuser
Long time Member
Long time Member
Posts: 601
Joined: Sat Nov 29, 2014 7:27 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Feb 05, 2020 10:54 pm

MikroTik might release an access point with an 802.11ax capable chipset, but MikroTik currently doesn´t have software feature that make it 802.11ax or even WiFi6, i.e. there´s no support for
1. OFDMA
2. UL MU-MIMO
3. DL MU-MIMO
 
mistry7
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 1480
Joined: Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:57 am
Location: Germany

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Fri Feb 07, 2020 5:59 am

MikroTik might release an access point with an 802.11ax capable chipset, but MikroTik currently doesn´t have software feature that make it 802.11ax or even WiFi6, i.e. there´s no support for
1. OFDMA
2. UL MU-MIMO
3. DL MU-MIMO
100% right, Mikrotik WiFi 5 Driver Never lefts Beta Stadium, so please don’t cry for WiFi 6, buy something elsewhere if you want to use it now
 
vortex
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 1092
Joined: Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:10 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:20 pm

I don't see what a home user can buy instead of Mikrotik.

The RB4011 successor should have ax.
 
karelkrobath
just joined
Topic Author
Posts: 6
Joined: Thu Jan 09, 2020 12:32 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Sun Feb 23, 2020 9:36 pm

well, with the recent (imho great) hardware releases for switching, I hope the WIFI hardware will be updated as well.
 
BitFaktur
just joined
Posts: 11
Joined: Thu May 11, 2017 4:51 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:54 pm

When or where is new MikroTik Hardware introduced?
Any specific season in the year or MUM?
 
vortex
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 1092
Joined: Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:10 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:28 pm

I think the newsletter has new hardware releases every month that were previously announced at some MUM.

It can take quite a while between announcement and release.
 
2jarek
Member Candidate
Member Candidate
Posts: 151
Joined: Thu May 17, 2007 3:28 pm
Location: Poland

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:57 pm

I sure hope so! MIkroTIk WIFI6 would be amazing!
Before I buy any new mikrotik radio I would like to see:
1)Stable ROS for 802.11AC wave 1 (randomly reboot if firewall & WMM use pure 802.11 ofc).
2)Mu-mimo for mikrotik 802.11AC wave 2 ARM devices 3 years & still can't use this hardware full potential.
3)Maybe real TDMA protocol like cambium or not..... its impossible for mikrotik. Just fix old hardware nothing more than basic functions.

Now use Cambium 802.11ac vave2 mu-mimo basestations & use cambium software for old 802.11N mikrotik devices. Trust me old mikrotik stuff work much much better with cambium software.
 
User avatar
honzam
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 2394
Joined: Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:27 pm
Location: Czech Republic

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:13 pm

It's mainly about software. And the software we all have outdated (from Mikrotik)
V7 - no changes yet.
We are waiting for the spectral scan from 2014, and others ...

Still waiting.... :-(
 
ste
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 1924
Joined: Sun Feb 13, 2005 11:21 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:32 pm

It's mainly about software. And the software we all have outdated (from Mikrotik)
V7 - no changes yet.
We are waiting for the spectral scan from 2014, and others ...

Still waiting.... :-(
No. With wireless it is about HW, too. Actual HW done for WISPs shows speed and features we need in 2020. It takes a big/long invest to build this. So I guess MT has done a good business decision and concentrate on CCR, CRS, ...
 
comet48
newbie
Posts: 35
Joined: Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:39 am

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:46 am

2Jarek,
Which cambium with which Mikrotik?
 
2jarek
Member Candidate
Member Candidate
Posts: 151
Joined: Thu May 17, 2007 3:28 pm
Location: Poland

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:51 am

2Jarek,
Which cambium with which Mikrotik?
Cambium Epmp 3000/3000L + Mikrotik: SXTLite, LHG, DISC (802.11N only)
 
mistry7
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 1480
Joined: Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:57 am
Location: Germany

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:09 am

Now use Cambium 802.11ac vave2 mu-mimo basestations & use cambium software for old 802.11N mikrotik devices. Trust me old mikrotik stuff work much much better with cambium software.
We use this too, terrifying how bad ROS is
 
comet48
newbie
Posts: 35
Joined: Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:39 am

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:35 pm

Here is the Cambium 802.11ax roadmap.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUmy6lSniIs
about 29 minutes in
How about something like this from mikrotik!
Last edited by comet48 on Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:10 pm, edited 1 time in total.
 
comet48
newbie
Posts: 35
Joined: Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:39 am

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:05 pm

2Jarek,
So what Cambium software, and will it run on the current Mikrotik LHG products?
 
User avatar
mhansson
just joined
Posts: 4
Joined: Sat Nov 30, 2019 1:42 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:34 pm

The RB4011 successor should have ax.
Definitely, and at least 2 sfp+ or 2x 10gbe

Im sure the isp's that deliver 10gbit to the house are going to be interested.
I'm using [redacted] and their hand off is an sfp+ which i plugged in to a crs305...
Last edited by krisjanisj on Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:45 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Reason: Please no advertising w/ links
 
modsx
Frequent Visitor
Frequent Visitor
Posts: 66
Joined: Wed Feb 24, 2016 3:54 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Sat Apr 11, 2020 8:07 pm

MT is able to create very good products for a small ISP.
MT is not talking about the priorities of technological solutions, but everything you need to work in a micro network is already there.
Don't ask MT for more than being their segment. For a well-designed micro network, MT solutions are the most rational. If you need a bigger network and more requirements, look for another segment, because MT lives as they want, not as the market wants (management is based on micro solutions and internal culture).
Therefore, with MT and their solutions, everything is fine today and it will be tomorrow.
 
vortex
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 1092
Joined: Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:10 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Sat Apr 11, 2020 8:19 pm

My ISP does not use Mikrotik. I have to buy it myself.
 
User avatar
mhansson
just joined
Posts: 4
Joined: Sat Nov 30, 2019 1:42 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Thu May 07, 2020 9:38 am

The RB4011 successor should have ax.
Definitely, and at least 2 sfp+ or 2x 10gbe

Im sure the isp's that deliver 10gbit to the house are going to be interested.
I'm using [redacted] and their hand off is an sfp+ which i plugged in to a crs305...
On that note, I just ordered a ccr2004 for home.....
 
ksuuk
Frequent Visitor
Frequent Visitor
Posts: 91
Joined: Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:11 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Sun May 10, 2020 6:29 pm

Still waiting.... :-(
As Mikrotik is unable to face to others manufactures with their current wifi performance, I don't believe that Mikrotik will implement wifi6 at all.

Keep waiting...
 
gotsprings
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 2087
Joined: Mon May 14, 2012 9:30 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Sun May 10, 2020 7:20 pm

Mikrotik wireless has been sub par all the way back in AC v1 the AC V2 devices have been plagued with constant issues relating to connection and throughput.

Caps-man is incredible on paper. But in the wild... It's cost me a lot of money. Giving up and going back to another vendor was coslty... But we are back to having happy clients.

Mikrotik can route... But she it comes to wifi... It's an "also ran".
 
ksuuk
Frequent Visitor
Frequent Visitor
Posts: 91
Joined: Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:11 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Sun May 10, 2020 7:31 pm


Mikrotik can route... But she it comes to wifi... It's an "also ran".
As in these day's is difficult to sell router without wifi support, so I guess, that Mikrotik added wifi support as kind of for the name only and it's there as it is and that's it. As they have not fixed problems in years and keeping doing things like always, the result is also like always.

I think, that they should look into mirror and face the truth, that their wifi sucks and discontinue the wifi line completely and find some good wifi manufacturer and sell their access points for wifi needed clients.
 
neutronlaser
Member
Member
Posts: 445
Joined: Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:18 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:37 am

I get Mikrotik so I can use USA power settings in the UK lol
 
santyx32
Member Candidate
Member Candidate
Posts: 215
Joined: Fri Oct 25, 2019 2:17 am

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Sun Sep 06, 2020 8:59 pm

As in these day's is difficult to sell router without wifi support, so I guess, that Mikrotik added wifi support as kind of for the name only and it's there as it is and that's it.
New Mikrotik products are all IPQ40XX based which has a built-in WiFi chip so they can just attach the antennas and voila a new WiFi/LTE router ready to be sold.
 
User avatar
anav
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 18958
Joined: Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:28 pm
Location: Nova Scotia, Canada
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Sun Sep 06, 2020 9:03 pm

Unless Normis & Co, hire bpwl to start writing legible documentation and more importantly help the coders apply a logical approach to 'Tuning' existing wifi and future wifi, and assist in the move to other newer wifi generations, the MT wifi product line will continue to frustrate most users. We dont need to eke the last 10mbps out of wifi, we need to get to 90% easily and have it be stable.
I am more and more convinced that MT only puts extra effort into the enterprise wisp performance/equipment, to the detriment of all 'home' wifi.
 
toxicfusion
Member Candidate
Member Candidate
Posts: 267
Joined: Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:02 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Mon Sep 07, 2020 6:29 am

Unless Normis & Co, hire bpwl to start writing legible documentation and more importantly help the coders apply a logical approach to 'Tuning' existing wifi and future wifi, and assist in the move to other newer wifi generations, the MT wifi product line will continue to frustrate most users. We dont need to eke the last 10mbps out of wifi, we need to get to 90% easily and have it be stable.
I am more and more convinced that MT only puts extra effort into the enterprise wisp performance/equipment, to the detriment of all 'home' wifi.
I second this and 10000% SUPPORT this fact for MikroTik to hire bpwl. I will even contribute towards the crowd source. [as I previously pledged]
 
User avatar
mhansson
just joined
Posts: 4
Joined: Sat Nov 30, 2019 1:42 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:01 am

Well they ARE looking for people, see https://darbs.mikrotik.com/darbs/
However, even though you can check out the roles with google translate and so on, they still require "excellent knowledge of Latvian and English."
It's fair i guess since the company is located in Latvia, but unfortunately they miss out on a whole bunch of people that could work for them that only speaks English for example. If the Pandemic has taught us anything , then it is that quite a few jobs can be done remotely! So i don't see why they couldn't post jobs only requiring English, and a vpn-connection....
So maybe some of you guys with the proper knowledge could apply, even though you dont speak Latvian and see where it brings you, I mean you already know that Mikrotik is the future ;-)....
 
gotsprings
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 2087
Joined: Mon May 14, 2012 9:30 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Mon Sep 07, 2020 4:59 pm

MU-MIMO never worked/supported...
And busy environments cause the 2.4 radios to "give up".
 
santyx32
Member Candidate
Member Candidate
Posts: 215
Joined: Fri Oct 25, 2019 2:17 am

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Mon Sep 07, 2020 6:23 pm

I think beamforming (the explicit/standard 802.11ac one) is more important than MU-MIMO because it focuses the signal to clients and thus they can negotiate better data rates with the AP. Although MU-MIMO can help on a four chain radio (like the RB4011 or the Audience) with several devices using the connection constantly.
 
gotsprings
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 2087
Joined: Mon May 14, 2012 9:30 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Mon Sep 07, 2020 7:07 pm

I think beamforming (the explicit/standard 802.11ac one) is more important than MU-MIMO because it focuses the signal to clients and thus they can negotiate better data rates with the AP. Although MU-MIMO can help on a four chain radio (like the RB4011 or the Audience) with several devices using the connection constantly.
I wasn't sure if beamforming made the list. Apparently it does.
 
neutronlaser
Member
Member
Posts: 445
Joined: Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:18 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Fri Oct 09, 2020 4:47 am

I am thinking to change my WiFi interference and better coverage. But of course I need WiFi 6 devices as well to take advantage of that.
WiFi 4 works with interference.
 
gotsprings
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 2087
Joined: Mon May 14, 2012 9:30 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:11 pm

I am thinking to change my WiFi interference and better coverage. But of course I need WiFi 6 devices as well to take advantage of that.
WiFi 4 works with interference.
But Mikrotik's radios don't deal with interference as well as other vendors.

This pains me daily on installs...

I would be deploying caps-man constantly, if I could trust the radios. They just don't keep up and the way they "give up" in noisy environments, doesn't get the job done.
 
User avatar
mozerd
Forum Veteran
Forum Veteran
Posts: 871
Joined: Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:39 pm
Location: Canada
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Fri Oct 09, 2020 3:07 pm

.
Mikrotik can route... But she it comes to wifi... It's an "also ran".
@gotsprings, you are being very kind ..... In the modern world -- for the G7 nations -- and in the wireless realm MikroTik wireless is unable to compete. But perhaps its existing product lineup satisfies its current supply chain so there is no reason to be concerned. If its supply chain complained then that would be a different story.

The value proposition for wired routers branded MikroTik is excellent without question ..... wireless not in the game.
 
anuser
Long time Member
Long time Member
Posts: 601
Joined: Sat Nov 29, 2014 7:27 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:41 pm

They just don't keep up and the way they "give up" in noisy environments, doesn't get the job done.
Have you noticed any difference with RouterOS v7.1.x?
 
gotsprings
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 2087
Joined: Mon May 14, 2012 9:30 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:40 pm

Used a Ruckus R550 for the last 2 weeks...

That's a painful reminder...
 
nannou9
Frequent Visitor
Frequent Visitor
Posts: 65
Joined: Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:56 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:30 pm

Software is already cooking for WiFi6. You can see that in wifiwave2 package.
I bet hardware is in development too.
 
anuser
Long time Member
Long time Member
Posts: 601
Joined: Sat Nov 29, 2014 7:27 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:39 pm

Software is already cooking for WiFi6. You can see that in wifiwave2 package.
The big networking device vendors will release thei WiFi 6E access points in Q3/Q4 2021. So, it would be a chance for MIkroTik to go develop straight 802.11ax access points with 6 GHz support, aswell.
 
Cablenut9
Long time Member
Long time Member
Posts: 542
Joined: Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:30 am

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:09 am

The big networking device vendors will release thei WiFi 6E access points in Q3/Q4 2021. So, it would be a chance for MIkroTik to go develop straight 802.11ax access points with 6 GHz support, aswell.
We're only 7 months away from Q3, and that's not much time to make new 6E APs if you're not some megacorp funded by scam cloud services.
 
anuser
Long time Member
Long time Member
Posts: 601
Joined: Sat Nov 29, 2014 7:27 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:44 pm

The big networking device vendors will release thei WiFi 6E access points in Q3/Q4 2021. So, it would be a chance for MIkroTik to go develop straight 802.11ax access points with 6 GHz support, aswell.
We're only 7 months away from Q3, and that's not much time to make new 6E APs if you're not some megacorp funded by scam cloud services.
Haven´t chipset vendors usually have something like a kind of default design for access points which can be used?
 
mistry7
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 1480
Joined: Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:57 am
Location: Germany

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:01 pm

The hardware design is not Mikrotiks Problem.
It will take 2 years to get to the competitors software level...
ROS 6 ist outdated
ROS 7 is not more as an early alpha
 
DeDMorozzzz
Frequent Visitor
Frequent Visitor
Posts: 81
Joined: Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:09 am

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Sat Feb 20, 2021 2:07 pm

2 mistry7
Why does it have to take 2 years? We don't need Mikrotik's NV2\3\4 anymore, OFDMA can solve hidden node problem, isn't it? We only need cheap firmware and Mikrotik's ROS, to use it as a standart 802.11AX.
correct me, if im not right.
 
mfr476
Member Candidate
Member Candidate
Posts: 213
Joined: Thu Oct 11, 2018 4:51 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:43 pm

It would be much easier if Mikrotik talked about their products for wisp
 
mistry7
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 1480
Joined: Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:57 am
Location: Germany

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:16 am

2 mistry7
Why does it have to take 2 years? We don't need Mikrotik's NV2\3\4 anymore, OFDMA can solve hidden node problem, isn't it? We only need cheap firmware and Mikrotik's ROS, to use it as a standart 802.11AX.
correct me, if im not right.
You are right, but it will take more then

2 years to bring ROS 7 in the near of Stable, and this issue is a homebrew one, because they are sleeping the last 5 years, Kernel 4 was released in 2015, and now the hole between needed and available ist a big one.


It is impossible to run ax driver in 3.xx kernel.
So the step is needed. Mikrotik AC is missing so much because of Old Kernel...
Every 25€ TPlink is faster then Mikrotik.

@mfr476

Mikrotik WISP has no future
-no Spektrum Analyse
-no gps sync and channel reuse
- no own radios like Airfiber
- speed half then competitors
 
anuser
Long time Member
Long time Member
Posts: 601
Joined: Sat Nov 29, 2014 7:27 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Sun Feb 21, 2021 11:49 am

Currently many MikroTik WiFi devices include IPQ4018 or IPQ4019 chipset. The next generation will probably use IPQ60xx chipset. So when everybody else sells WiFi6E in 2022, MikroTik starts with WiFi6.
 
gotsprings
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 2087
Joined: Mon May 14, 2012 9:30 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:29 pm

Currently many MikroTik WiFi devices include IPQ4018 or IPQ4019 chipset. The next generation will probably use IPQ60xx chipset. So when everybody else sells WiFi6E in 2022, MikroTik starts with WiFi6.
Mikrotik drags a lot farther behind than that. What are we at... 6 years on incomplete wifi 5?
 
anuser
Long time Member
Long time Member
Posts: 601
Joined: Sat Nov 29, 2014 7:27 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Sun Feb 21, 2021 9:31 pm

Mikrotik drags a lot farther behind than that. What are we at... 6 years on incomplete wifi 5?
Well, with RouterOS 7, MikroTik uses binary drivers from the chipset´s vendor, no more selfmade 802.11 code. So, this problem should be solved in the future.
 
Cablenut9
Long time Member
Long time Member
Posts: 542
Joined: Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:30 am

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Sun Feb 21, 2021 11:05 pm

with RouterOS 7, MikroTik uses binary drivers from the chipset´s vendor, no more selfmade 802.11 code
Finally, maybe we can have spectral scanning in 802.11ac/ax equipment
 
ib254254
just joined
Posts: 23
Joined: Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:15 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Mon Feb 22, 2021 8:03 am

linux kernel As of version 5.11, they introduced Wi-Fi 6E support to their kernel codes. There will probably be kernel level support like wireguard.lecek.
 
nannou9
Frequent Visitor
Frequent Visitor
Posts: 65
Joined: Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:56 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:42 am

For those who are complaining about wifi6 etc, I would encourage you watch few REAL reviews (not sponsored) of some "relatively cheap" wifi 6 routers from big brands (including Ubiquiti) for same price range as MikroTik (~$150) and then run similar benchmarks using MikroTik Audience/RB4011 using wifiwave2 impl with wifi 5 and you will see that wifi 6 is not that big thing really and in fact Unifi 6 especially is doing poor job in my opinion (I would not use it, even if cheaper in fact). Also those who complain about MikroTik, I would encourage to read some other forums like Ubiquiti and you will see they are not really so good and many users are suffering really slow performance, for which they have not found the fix yet.

Regarding my tests, I am getting sustained 570Mbit (max 638Mbit recorded) with iperf3 on 2 chain MBP Pro with M1, sitting 2 rooms away from Audience- two walls away, doors shut!
Also tested running full load using iPhone and MBP pro simultaneously, which resulted in total transfer bandwidth of about ~560MBit, so no "capacity" issue for such a home user as I am. I have 7 devices on 5GHz network. Rest is 2.4Ghz (approx 25 devices) or wired (approx 10 devices).
To be clear I am not talking about phy speed, talking about real data transfers measured with iperf.

I know you will say wifi6 is about capacity now, but reality is that most of devices in "crowd" are on 2.4 bands (almost all IoT) while 5/6ghz are only devices like laptops and mobiles, which you have few at home and it is doubtful you are using them all the same time.
Also if anybody is real about gaming/work/movies/audio and using PCs/Xbox/SonyPS/TVs/Streamers they must be using wired connections (for example 10gb switches) and forget about using wifi/power plugs for it.
Simply wifi is for mobile and IoT devices.
Also to be clear, Audience/RB4011 are not commercial wifi devices, from my perspective they are home/very small office (<10 people). Although Audience has more chains than rb4011 so in theory can handle more clients but has less cpu power. Not my worry anyway as capacity is not my problem.
Anybody using office deployments, would probably look for something with more chains/capacity and surely not "cheap" wifi 6 routers.
For me, I do not need anything more than I have now, even having most mobile devices 6Ghz compatible.
Once they will start making 5/6GHz IoT, then it might be a problem indeed, but now and next year or so, no.
It will not happen soon really as higher frequencies has lower walls penetration potential therefore might not be suitable for home robots/appliances/cameras etc.
So absolutely no point for MikroTik to rush with wifi 6, might be better to deliver 6e and skip 6 as it is not worth from my perspective.

Also well done MikroTik on wifiwave2- comes bit late indeed when compared to other producers but it is awesome!

My config:
Audience with 7.1b4 firmware.
Using wifiwave2- wifi3 (QCA9984 chip) with 4 chains.
Channel width: 20/40/80+80.
 
anuser
Long time Member
Long time Member
Posts: 601
Joined: Sat Nov 29, 2014 7:27 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:23 pm

For those who are complaining [...]
Great, what lucky guy you are! About 1 year after MikroTik started selling the Audience they showed you grace and offer you a development firmware with first official chipset vendors binary firmware files with 802.11v and 802.11w! I can´t believe how lucky your are...

What about the other poor guys waiting for years for standard features which other "home network" vendors support for years, like complete fast roaming support with IEEE 802.11k, IEEE 802.11r, and IEEE 802.11v, MU-MIMO, ... Yes, we are talking about those guys who purchased access points and routers with a current IEEE 802.11ac Wave 2 IPQ40xx chipset only few years ago, but with 16MB of ROM and/or 128MB of RAM which currently will not receive that lucky new MikroTik "WifiWave2 " driver package with chipset´s binary firmware.

802.11ax is not only about capacity but efficiency. Hopefully with the new MikroTik devices with IPQxxxx chipset, MikroTik will reach 800 Mbit/s of TCP down or upload throughput in some years, as well as all other "home network" vendors achieve this throughput nowadays when a client with Intel AX200 and 2x2:2 MIMO @80MHz is connected to their IPQxxxx based access point. Hopefully we will be as lucky as you in this bright "bit late" future someday.
 
Cablenut9
Long time Member
Long time Member
Posts: 542
Joined: Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:30 am

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:26 pm

802.11ax is already old news, as 802.11be will be here in a couple years bringing multi-gigabit speeds.
 
mistry7
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 1480
Joined: Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:57 am
Location: Germany

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:09 pm


Yes, we are talking about those guys who purchased access points and routers with a current IEEE 802.11ac Wave 2 IPQ40xx chipset only few years ago, but with 16MB of ROM and/or 128MB of RAM which currently will not receive that lucky new MikroTik "WifiWave2 " driver package with chipset´s binary firmware.
100% agree!
 
nannou9
Frequent Visitor
Frequent Visitor
Posts: 65
Joined: Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:56 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:53 am

So those complaining that they will not get wifiwave2 because of their device not being capable of it in some way, should buy for example linksys velop which can be very pricey anyway.
They are just like MikroTik adding more features all the time- ON SUBSCRIPTION BASIS!
Like seriously, paying 4$ a month for new revolutionary feature for being able to do dns filtering- feature called child safety!!! Total rip off! And in general velop is complete shit unless you are total noob who just connects the device and uses defaults and if you wish to do anything else than change you wifi name, you need to pay subscription. But if above will not scare you away then regular connection drops surely will. You should try yourself, pure joy. I was battling with it for a year, by restarting it, as there was nothing available to change in settings at all.
I had two velops and I replaced them with single audience.
But this is linksys’ business model. They might be selling you hardware which is more capable than needed at the point of purchase- not charging you extra for this at the point of sale (just assumption, but they are pricy anyway), but rather charge you monthly later should you wish to use it.
How is that any better than MikroTik?

So basically sell your devices on eBay while it still has some value and buy different one. Like Linksys Velop :). Or MikroTik again.
 
User avatar
anav
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 18958
Joined: Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:28 pm
Location: Nova Scotia, Canada
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:59 pm

So those complaining that they will not get wifiwave2 because of their device not being capable of it in some way, should buy for example linksys velop which can be very pricey anyway.
They are just like MikroTik adding more features all the time- ON SUBSCRIPTION BASIS!
Like seriously, paying 4$ a month for new revolutionary feature for being able to do dns filtering- feature called child safety!!! Total rip off! And in general velop is complete shit unless you are total noob who just connects the device and uses defaults and if you wish to do anything else than change you wifi name, you need to pay subscription. But if above will not scare you away then regular connection drops surely will. You should try yourself, pure joy. I was battling with it for a year, by restarting it, as there was nothing available to change in settings at all.
I had two velops and I replaced them with single audience.
But this is linksys’ business model. They might be selling you hardware which is more capable than needed at the point of purchase- not charging you extra for this at the point of sale (just assumption, but they are pricy anyway), but rather charge you monthly later should you wish to use it.
How is that any better than MikroTik?

So basically sell your devices on eBay while it still has some value and buy different one. Like Linksys Velop :). Or MikroTik again.
Sorry nannou you dont know shit.
There are stable and dependable wifi5 Access points just as cheap as the capac (TPLINK EAP245) that runs circles around it.
In other words, while MT is perfecting WIFI5, that many have done for a number of years with no extra cost or requirement for services.
By the way as noted that perfection entails making obsolete all the capacs, hapac, hapac2s etc sold in the past and still being sold, because they wont be improved to meet a spec that was met by other vendors probably 5 if not more years ago.

There are many folks here that spends $1000s and $10,000s on equipment and to them its not a laughing matter.
 
vsicth12
just joined
Posts: 1
Joined: Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:44 am

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Feb 24, 2021 6:05 pm

For those who are complaining about wifi6 etc, I would encourage you watch few REAL reviews (not sponsored) of some "relatively cheap" wifi 6 routers from big brands (including Ubiquiti) for same price range as MikroTik (~$150) and then run similar benchmarks using MikroTik Audience/RB4011 using wifiwave2 impl with wifi 5 and you will see that wifi 6 is not that big thing really and in fact Unifi 6 especially is doing poor job in my opinion (I would not use it, even if cheaper in fact). Also those who complain about MikroTik, I would encourage to read some other forums like Ubiquiti and you will see they are not really so good and many users are suffering really slow performance, for which they have not found the fix yet.

Regarding my tests, I am getting sustained 570Mbit (max 638Mbit recorded) with iperf3 on 2 chain MBP Pro with M1, sitting 2 rooms away from Audience- two walls away, doors shut!
Also tested running full load using iPhone and MBP pro simultaneously, which resulted in total transfer bandwidth of about ~560MBit, so no "capacity" issue for such a home user as I am. I have 7 devices on 5GHz network. Rest is 2.4Ghz (approx 25 devices) or wired (approx 10 devices).
To be clear I am not talking about phy speed, talking about real data transfers measured with iperf.

I know you will say wifi6 is about capacity now, but reality is that most of devices in "crowd" are on 2.4 bands (almost all IoT) while 5/6ghz are only devices like laptops and mobiles, which you have few at home and it is doubtful you are using them all the same time.
Also if anybody is real about gaming/work/movies/audio and using PCs/Xbox/SonyPS/TVs/Streamers they must be using wired connections (for example 10gb switches) and forget about using wifi/power plugs for it.
Simply wifi is for mobile and IoT devices.
Also to be clear, Audience/RB4011 are not commercial wifi devices, from my perspective they are home/very small office (<10 people). Although Audience has more chains than rb4011 so in theory can handle more clients but has less cpu power. Not my worry anyway as capacity is not my problem.
Anybody using office deployments, would probably look for something with more chains/capacity and surely not "cheap" wifi 6 routers.
For me, I do not need anything more than I have now, even having most mobile devices 6Ghz compatible.
Once they will start making 5/6GHz IoT, then it might be a problem indeed, but now and next year or so, no.
It will not happen soon really as higher frequencies has lower walls penetration potential therefore might not be suitable for home robots/appliances/cameras etc.
So absolutely no point for MikroTik to rush with wifi 6, might be better to deliver 6e and skip 6 as it is not worth from my perspective.

Also well done MikroTik on wifiwave2- comes bit late indeed when compared to other producers but it is awesome!

My config:
Audience with 7.1b4 firmware.
Using wifiwave2- wifi3 (QCA9984 chip) with 4 chains.
Channel width: 20/40/80+80.
I like your logic. I have the same hardware, but not yet working with the 7 series code.
Isn't the wifiwave2 still supported in v6.48.1 - stable release, or is v7 code adding that feature?
 
Cablenut9
Long time Member
Long time Member
Posts: 542
Joined: Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:30 am

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:57 pm

There are stable and dependable wifi5 Access points just as cheap as the capac (TPLINK EAP245) that runs circles around it.
This hinges on Wave 2 features actually mattering. My case for a cAP ac is to provide about 500 mbps to a single line of sight device, but I'd have multiple cAPs for multiple devices, obviously spaced far enough to not interfere with each other. Wave 2 would just make it better with multiple devices per AP, which isn't the case with my setup.
 
User avatar
anav
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 18958
Joined: Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:28 pm
Location: Nova Scotia, Canada
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:40 pm

There are stable and dependable wifi5 Access points just as cheap as the capac (TPLINK EAP245) that runs circles around it.
This hinges on Wave 2 features actually mattering. My case for a cAP ac is to provide about 500 mbps to a single line of sight device, but I'd have multiple cAPs for multiple devices, obviously spaced far enough to not interfere with each other. Wave 2 would just make it better with multiple devices per AP, which isn't the case with my setup.
Hi Cablenut, I have on house member studying at medschool mostly virtually
a. capac - nothing but issues, especially streaming, not stable, off and on (no amount of troubleshooting made an iota of difference)
b. TPlink eap245, not a single burp even.

So for critical connectivity dont agree.
 
Cablenut9
Long time Member
Long time Member
Posts: 542
Joined: Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:30 am

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:47 pm

Putting it in perspective, my current WiFi setup is a lone WD MyNet AC1300, the most no-name AP on the market. (Actually, I also have an Apple Airport Express, but that doesn't matter right now) WD actually discontinued all their network stuff back in 2014, so it hasn't seen any updates since 2013, back when draft-AC was the best option. If that can get me a solid 450mbps on a crowded non-DFS channel, I wonder what a cAP ac can do for me with a DFS channel.
 
User avatar
andkar
newbie
Posts: 47
Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:20 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:37 pm

There are stable and dependable wifi5 Access points just as cheap as the capac (TPLINK EAP245) that runs circles around it.
This hinges on Wave 2 features actually mattering. My case for a cAP ac is to provide about 500 mbps to a single line of sight device, but I'd have multiple cAPs for multiple devices, obviously spaced far enough to not interfere with each other. Wave 2 would just make it better with multiple devices per AP, which isn't the case with my setup.
Hi Cablenut, I have on house member studying at medschool mostly virtually
a. capac - nothing but issues, especially streaming, not stable, off and on (no amount of troubleshooting made an iota of difference)
b. TPlink eap245, not a single burp even.

So for critical connectivity dont agree.
Hi,
Warning!
EAP..suffer from .IPv6 vlan leakage. No fix for v1 (and AFIK) nor v3. My old 2.4 TP... leaked L2 from tagged to untagged LAN. Security suffers.
 
User avatar
anav
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 18958
Joined: Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:28 pm
Location: Nova Scotia, Canada
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:40 pm

Didnt know that, good thing, i only do IPv4.
And when I do go IPv6, I am convinced that will only be as far as my public IP and the rest of my internal lan will still be IPv4 based so not to worried.
If I am still alive when IPv6 gets jammed down our throats.
 
nannou9
Frequent Visitor
Frequent Visitor
Posts: 65
Joined: Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:56 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:51 am

Sorry nannou you dont know shit.
There are stable and dependable wifi5 Access points just as cheap as the capac (TPLINK EAP245) that runs circles around it.
In other words, while MT is perfecting WIFI5, that many have done for a number of years with no extra cost or requirement for services.
By the way as noted that perfection entails making obsolete all the capacs, hapac, hapac2s etc sold in the past and still being sold, because they wont be improved to meet a spec that was met by other vendors probably 5 if not more years ago.

There are many folks here that spends $1000s and $10,000s on equipment and to them its not a laughing matter.
1st you should calm down mate
2nd go to apple website and you can buy many products which will never get any update as they are end of life already, but obviously nobody is telling this explicitly.
For example apple just like MikroTik, was selling in 2019 iPods touch which were running up to iOS 12, while already having public beta of iOS 13 which will not work with them- again just like MikroTik.
So I think you have some unrealistic expectations.
No single vendor will pull out all hardware from sale just because they started working on something new, incompatible.
 
Cablenut9
Long time Member
Long time Member
Posts: 542
Joined: Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:30 am

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:33 am

No single vendor will pull out all hardware from sale just because they started working on something new, incompatible.
I can find cheapo 802.11n-only 150mbit routers for $20 USD, so there will always be a market for these older, less desirable things.
 
whatever
Member
Member
Posts: 348
Joined: Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:29 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:00 pm

And when I do go IPv6, I am convinced that will only be as far as my public IP and the rest of my internal lan will still be IPv4 based so not to worried.
That's not how IPv6 works.
 
User avatar
anav
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 18958
Joined: Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:28 pm
Location: Nova Scotia, Canada
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:18 pm

So those complaining that they will not get wifiwave2 because of their device not being capable of it in some way, should buy for example linksys velop which can be very pricey anyway.
They are just like MikroTik adding more features all the time- ON SUBSCRIPTION BASIS!
Like seriously, paying 4$ a month for new revolutionary feature for being able to do dns filtering- feature called child safety!!! Total rip off! And in general velop is complete shit unless you are total noob who just connects the device and uses defaults and if you wish to do anything else than change you wifi name, you need to pay subscription. But if above will not scare you away then regular connection drops surely will. You should try yourself, pure joy. I was battling with it for a year, by restarting it, as there was nothing available to change in settings at all.
I had two velops and I replaced them with single audience.
But this is linksys’ business model. They might be selling you hardware which is more capable than needed at the point of purchase- not charging you extra for this at the point of sale (just assumption, but they are pricy anyway), but rather charge you monthly later should you wish to use it.
How is that any better than MikroTik?

So basically sell your devices on eBay while it still has some value and buy different one. Like Linksys Velop :). Or MikroTik again.
Well, how bout this post........................ sounds like the same sort of crap to me, buy product then pay more to get functionality!!!
Hello,
You will not be able to create a virtual wlan interface as it is supported with license lvl4, but the Disc lite 5 comes with lvl3. You will need to upgrade your license if you want to implement those features:
https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:L ... nse_Levels
 
User avatar
TomjNorthIdaho
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 1492
Joined: Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:25 pm
Location: North Idaho
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:18 pm

No single vendor will pull out all hardware from sale just because they started working on something new, incompatible.
I can find cheapo 802.11n-only 150mbit routers for $20 USD, so there will always be a market for these older, less desirable things.
re: I can find cheapo 802.11n-only 150mbit routers for $20 USD, so there will always be a market for these older, less desirable things.\
Yea , and you can also find old analog-only TVs for for $20 USD.
-- Just because it's cheap and somebody else want's to get rid of it , does not mean it's desirable or even wanted in my house.
fyi - I've probably thrown out well over 300+ 802.11n-only devices in the last year.
 
gotsprings
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 2087
Joined: Mon May 14, 2012 9:30 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Sun Feb 28, 2021 11:21 am

I had to look at a commercial property in Georgetown Washington DC.

I figure with the way the building is built and their use requirements... We are looking at 17 access points. 2 of which need to serve an outdoor area along the main road in the heart of the city.

Standing out front of the building... 84 competing wifi networks came up in my scan. In 2.4.

I won't even consider trying to build this in Mikrotik wireless. So when we go to design Monday AM... I am not going to explain my self or wait 90 seconds on this... "12-15 thousand dollars. If that gives them sticker shock... Tell them we will not be bidding this. Routing switching wireless and electrical will be more that this... Labor doesn't factor in yet."
 
User avatar
anav
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 18958
Joined: Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:28 pm
Location: Nova Scotia, Canada
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:03 am

Thats a dilemma for sure.
WHere are the 60hz smartphones and pads from MT to go along with the wifi.
 
User avatar
vecernik87
Forum Veteran
Forum Veteran
Posts: 882
Joined: Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:19 am

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:29 am

WHere are the 60hz smartphones
Well, talking about that... my friend was testing 5G at his place and came up with some ridiculous number over 600Mbit download... If that really works all around, wifi will be irrelevant in the next decade.
 
nannou9
Frequent Visitor
Frequent Visitor
Posts: 65
Joined: Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:56 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:52 pm

WHere are the 60hz smartphones
Well, talking about that... my friend was testing 5G at his place and came up with some ridiculous number over 600Mbit download... If that really works all around, wifi will be irrelevant in the next decade.
This will not happen anytime soon due to cost of contracts and modems. There will be still some relatively low cost low range iot devices.
I think 1st that will happen is that gsm networks will outperform home broadband at least on paper but then much grater congestion will cause some problems before market will shift more to wireless.
I would love to see this happening tbh as already I pay more for 500mbit broadband, while unlimited 5G contracts are for $20+.
But then I suppose broadband providers will drop prices/increase speeds.
 
User avatar
mkx
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 11381
Joined: Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:23 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:08 pm

If that really works all around, wifi will be irrelevant in the next decade.
It does work if user only cares about internet and there's LOS between device and base station (forget about 600Mbps when in toilet or wine cellar). OTOH if one has home LAN with services reserved for LAN users, wifi will still be a viable option. But I guess WiFi7 AP might as well look like a 5G base station technology-wise.
 
nannou9
Frequent Visitor
Frequent Visitor
Posts: 65
Joined: Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:56 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:32 pm

WHere are the 60hz smartphones
Well, talking about that... my friend was testing 5G at his place and came up with some ridiculous number over 600Mbit download... If that really works all around, wifi will be irrelevant in the next decade.
This will not happen anytime soon due to cost of contracts and modems. There will be still some relatively low cost low range iot devices.
I think 1st that will happen is that gsm networks will outperform home broadband, but not just on paper but then much grater congestion will cause some problems before market will shift more to wireless.
I would love to see this happening tbh as already I pay more for 500mbit broadband, while unlimited 5G contracts are for $20+.
But then I suppose broadband providers will drop prices/increase speeds.
 
anuser
Long time Member
Long time Member
Posts: 601
Joined: Sat Nov 29, 2014 7:27 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:21 pm

Also well done MikroTik on wifiwave2- comes bit late indeed when compared to other producers but it is awesome!
Wenn I get 500 MBit/s to 700 MBit/s of TCP download throughput when 50 to 60 clients are concurrently connected and downloading on one single MikroTik 802.11ax access point, I might call it good someday in the future:
Image
 
User avatar
TomjNorthIdaho
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 1492
Joined: Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:25 pm
Location: North Idaho
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Mar 03, 2021 11:46 pm

When Mikrotik ( or other brand ) "WiFi 6E" devices become available for outdoor WISP use, I will most likely be installing a few hundred "WiFi 6E" outdoor APs on the same towers I already have a few hundred 5 GHz APs and darn near 1,000 5-GHz Mikrotik wireless clients.

My only real concern is that by the time Mikrotik starts shipping "WiFi 6E" products , that it might be faster/sooner to just finish converting the bulk of my 5-GHz clients to fiber.
On my existing fiber-to-the-home networks, I offer up-to Gig+ speeds to all customers.
With my current Mikrotik 5-GHz APs , I can only offer/deliver up to 25-Meg accounts.

The 5-GHz spectrum is fully saturated and just barely usable to a WISP. The 6-GHz spectrum is almost completely empty.
I am concerned that by the time Mikrotik starts shipping "WiFi 6E" devices, that other WISPs in my area may of already deployed their non-Mikrotik "WiFi 6E" APs & wireless-clients.
 
r00t
Long time Member
Long time Member
Posts: 672
Joined: Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:14 am

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:51 am

It's the same problem with Mikrotik over and over again. Nothing changed. You just don't know what is coming and when any new products will be released.
No roadmaps, no planned products... and when some future product is announced, you don't get any date when it will be available (where's Terragraph at? anyone??).

It's same for ROS 7, originally when I saw that Audience ships with ROS 7, I expected it to be done by the time Audience started selling... oh how wrong I was. It's still unstable with no end in sight and Mikrotik is happily selling devices with this "alpha" version every day.

Last Mikrotik newsletter was published in November last year. Are there really no news since then worth reporting? Every other company is releasing roadmaps for 6E, new device plans, some sneak-peak images into new devices.. just SOMETHING to keep customers interested even if nothing else is going on, just to show them they are working on something cool that's worth waiting for. This is basic marketing.
But with Mikrotik, you just really don't know what will happen tomorrow. You may buy competitor's APs and rebuild your infrastructure, only to find Mikrotik released much better product next month... or you may be waiting for it for next two years, which seems to be sadly far more likely...
 
Cablenut9
Long time Member
Long time Member
Posts: 542
Joined: Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:30 am

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:40 am

But with Mikrotik, you just really don't know what will happen tomorrow. You may buy competitor's APs and rebuild your infrastructure, only to find Mikrotik released much better product next month... or you may be waiting for it for next two years, which seems to be sadly far more likely...
This is why the hAP ac3 is a tough sell, because I'd prefer a 802.11ax version, but considering how soon it was released and how soon it will actually be in stock, it might be months or a year before anything newer comes around.
 
gotsprings
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 2087
Joined: Mon May 14, 2012 9:30 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:44 am

But with Mikrotik, you just really don't know what will happen tomorrow. You may buy competitor's APs and rebuild your infrastructure, only to find Mikrotik released much better product next month... or you may be waiting for it for next two years, which seems to be sadly far more likely...
This is why the hAP ac3 is a tough sell, because I'd prefer a 802.11ax version, but considering how soon it was released and how soon it will actually be in stock, it might be months or a year before anything newer comes around.
Considering WiFi AC2 MU-MIMO, is in the development branch of RouterOS 6 YEARS after ratification...

No there is not a lot of worry about Mikrotik "suddenly releasing a much better product next month."
 
arki
just joined
Posts: 3
Joined: Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:59 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:14 pm

I sure hope so! MIkroTIk WIFI6 would be amazing!
Before I buy any new mikrotik radio I would like to see:
1)Stable ROS for 802.11AC wave 1 (randomly reboot if firewall & WMM use pure 802.11 ofc).
2)Mu-mimo for mikrotik 802.11AC wave 2 ARM devices 3 years & still can't use this hardware full potential.
3)Maybe real TDMA protocol like cambium or not..... its impossible for mikrotik. Just fix old hardware nothing more than basic functions.

Now use Cambium 802.11ac vave2 mu-mimo basestations & use cambium software for old 802.11N mikrotik devices. Trust me old mikrotik stuff work much much better with cambium software.
It's sad but true.
I have'nt seen any wireless improovements since 2 maybe 3 years.
Since mikrotik made changes to regulators domain and radar detect, updating client devices is a real drama.
While routers and other network equipment are OK, wireless is a complete tragedy. It's high time to look for third-party WiFi equipment. It's a pity Mikrotik that you are not doing anything in this case and the reported wireless performance problems still remain unresolved.
 
Phillip
just joined
Posts: 21
Joined: Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:56 am

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:21 pm

No there is not a lot of worry about Mikrotik "suddenly releasing a much better product next month."

Well you are right about that, so Mikrotik better start to figure out what direction they want to go soon, weather it is WiFi6 or 6E. More and more big names are starting to move into the low budget small business access point and switch market. Like Aruba instant on, who just released a new WiFi6 AP and is going to release a 6E latter this year. They also have released a switch family that competes with CSS series of switches.

They (Mikrotik) really need to reel them self's back in and focus on there core products and stop trying to fill niche areas in networking.
 
User avatar
TomjNorthIdaho
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 1492
Joined: Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:25 pm
Location: North Idaho
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:05 pm

Re: 6E ( Wi-Fi 6E ( 5.925 GHz to 7.125 GHz )

The ISP/WISP I work for is federally recognized as tribal sovereign nation. We have a huge need for a reliable and fast communication system ( including Internet ). Our 5-GHz WISP system was nearly saturated a year ago. When the Covid-19 pandemic started in early 2020, we experienced a huge increase in customer bandwidth demands ( on-line education, health care ... ).

There are only two technology methods to add additional bandwidth to our clients here inside the reservation we serve:
1 - Add more fiber-to-the-home networks ( best solution but expensive and nearly impossible because some homes are miles apart from each other).
2 - Use additional microwave spectrum. The addition of Wi-Fi 6E with 160-MHz wide channels is a short-term solution that should work well - ( when 6E products are available ).

Note; a year or two ago, we did get awarded by FCC some free 2.3 GHz spectrum ( because we are a tribe ). And yes, I am using some 2.3 at this time. The problems with 2.3 is factory designed 2.3 equipment costs is expensive and channel width in this band is low. It helps but 2.3 will never be able to deliver the bandwidth needed.

As an engineer for the tribal owned telecommunications organization I work for, I have high hopes and expectations in the use of Wi-Fi 6E with multiple 160-MHz wide channels to provide working solutions to the tribal communities we provide service to on the reservation.

When 6E products are available and shipping, I plan/hope to add around 1-hundred Wi-Fi 6E APs to my towers which will co-exist next to our existing hundred-plus 5-GHz APs.
Until 6E products are available and shipping, we will continue installing fiber-to-the-home as fast as we can.
 
Cablenut9
Long time Member
Long time Member
Posts: 542
Joined: Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:30 am

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:29 pm

I just noticed that in several MT distributors' websites, the hAP ac3 got pushed back even more to April. That's pretty sad for it being a non-ax device meanwhile Ubiquiti is rolling out their entire line of it.
 
User avatar
jbl42
Member Candidate
Member Candidate
Posts: 214
Joined: Sun Jun 21, 2020 12:58 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Mon Mar 15, 2021 11:54 pm

When 6E products are available and shipping, I plan/hope to add around 1-hundred Wi-Fi 6E APs to my towers which will co-exist next to our existing hundred-plus 5-GHz APs.
Regarding the fact MikroTik has not even a device with full ac/WiFi 5 support and no ax/WiFi 6 device in the pipeline there is not much chance to see a WiFi6E device soon.

A good as the routers are, the far behind is the MT WiFi. We had to stop using MT WiFi devices. Almost all tender criterias mandate 802.11k/v/r, band steering and MuMIMO. MT still lacks all of this.
MT always rolled its own WiFi drivers instead of using those form chip vendors. I suspect the dramatically increased complexity of recent WiFi standards brings much troubles to this approach.
 
Phillip
just joined
Posts: 21
Joined: Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:56 am

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Tue Mar 16, 2021 2:51 am

MT always rolled its own WiFi drivers instead of using those form chip vendors. I suspect the dramatically increased complexity of recent WiFi standards brings much troubles to this approach.

You are 100% correct on this and I also think this is why MT has yet to put out a true WiFi5 or 6/6E devices. If you read the caveats for the wifiwave2 (https://help.mikrotik.com/docs/display/ROS/WifiWave2) package, it is not compatible with CAPsMAN.So I think they will have to rethink and rewrite the interface for CAPsMAN to make the newer hardware work correctly, and I think this will take some time.
 
syadnom
Forum Veteran
Forum Veteran
Posts: 794
Joined: Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:29 am

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Sat Mar 20, 2021 3:32 am

For those complaining about those complaining about WiFi6 support.

Every review you see out there is WiFi6 in a home or business 'WiFi' use case. Nothing like a wISP. And what they aren't showing you is what WiFi6 looks like when there is sporadic interference on it's channel.

I've done extensive testing with about every WiFi6 radio you can currently buy.

WiFi6 has a killer feature that truly changes the game and that's OFDMA. With your AC Wave2 radio on a big channel you can get tons of data. MU-MIMO also helps out here so multiple clients can get tons of data. But now take that radio outside where you don't have walls to reflect off of and to attenuate other signals. Somewhere that there are a few neighboring netgear nighthawks etc smashing up the spectrum. Watch that performance fall flat.

Now switch to ANY WiFi6 radio that has OFDMA enabled (some early models/firmware dont). Indoors it will look a lot like AC Wave2 in the same channel. But take it outside and watch how the throughput holds. OFDMA allows the AP and receiver to tell one another what subcarriers are too noisy to use. That means dodging interference AND it means reducing retries. I've done bench tests putting an 'AC WiFi router at 20Mhz dead center of a 40Mhz channel on a WiFi6 radio and run iperf across the AC connection. Then hit a speed test on the WiFi6 AP and pull 250Mbps. NO AC radio can do this. That test will make every single AC radio fall dead flat because even a wave2 AC radio only has 4 carriers and sitting middle of the channel nukes 2 and OOBE shreads the other 2 on the edges.

This one feature enables the 160Mhz channel. each subcarrier can be as small as about 2Mhz do there are effectively 80 individual channels that can be selectively used to transmit. Add in 4x4 or 8x8 antenna arrays and you can see where that goes. Something AC/AC2 cannot do.

As a proof of concept I put 4 Eero Pro 6 units in ITE outdoor enclosures and put them in a grid on my house and 3 of the neighbors like A <> B/C <> D. Ie, D cant see A, blocked by a large metal shop. Now at D I can pull 500Mbps speed tests across this outdoor WiFi6 mesh. This is a suburban neighborhood and I can see 2 dozen netgears etc so this is performing this well over the top of all that noise.

For a wISP, WiFi6 is the largest single improvement *ever* in wireless performance on single streams, then stacking 4x4 and 8x8 radio options with 2 way MU-MIMO.....
Now stack on an extra Ghz in WiFi6E.

Would love to see mikrotik lead the charge on this.
 
2jarek
Member Candidate
Member Candidate
Posts: 151
Joined: Thu May 17, 2007 3:28 pm
Location: Poland

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed May 05, 2021 6:42 pm


For a wISP, WiFi6 is the largest single improvement *ever* in wireless performance on single streams, then stacking 4x4 and 8x8 radio options with 2 way MU-MIMO.....
Now stack on an extra Ghz in WiFi6E.

Would love to see mikrotik lead the charge on this.
Time to wake up. To use wifi6 8x8, 12x12 outside, you will need a special antenna array. Which you will absolutely never see with a manufacturer like mikrotik.
You need to integrate the antenna with the radio chip. See how medusa from cambium does it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrb3aIFwWTM
 
syadnom
Forum Veteran
Forum Veteran
Posts: 794
Joined: Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:29 am

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed May 05, 2021 7:03 pm


For a wISP, WiFi6 is the largest single improvement *ever* in wireless performance on single streams, then stacking 4x4 and 8x8 radio options with 2 way MU-MIMO.....
Now stack on an extra Ghz in WiFi6E.

Would love to see mikrotik lead the charge on this.
Time to wake up. To use wifi6 8x8, 12x12 outside, you will need a special antenna array. Which you will absolutely never see with a manufacturer like mikrotik.
That's simply not true. There are literally a dozen WiFi6 products on the market with rather mundane multi-chain configurations including 8 diploes poking out of the body. If you look at breakdowns of some devices, they are just using PCBs with raised elements.

This is kind of the beauty of how 'ax handles MIMO/MUMIMO. The antennas can be in pretty unimpressive configurations. Existing sector designs can often be used by just un-bonding the elements. This is all a KP 4x4 sector is, it's the 2x2 sector but with 2 scored lines cut between the sections and attached to separate N connectors. If you didn't know what to look for any you disassembled them you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference. There is a guy using the ubiquiti Omnis for ePMP3k, he just pops the PVC cover off and separates the two sides (they are dual 180 sectors inside) and boom, 4x4 omni and it works in epmp3k's split sector mode.

Also note that there are some really interesting setups that can be done with these. Demonstrated by ePMP3k and Mimosa's A5c. You can take an 8x8 radio and put 4 2x2 sectors/horns on it and the 'ax chipset will essentially have each antenna as a MUMIMO grouping. So a single channel in 360 without GPS sync. Or 4 narrow sync horns with overlapping coverage. epmp3k has an RFE antenna with this design.

I'm referencing AC radios here, but that should really make the point that if AC can do it with it's pretty basic MUMIMO support, AX has VASTLY superior MUMIMO.
 
modsx
Frequent Visitor
Frequent Visitor
Posts: 66
Joined: Wed Feb 24, 2016 3:54 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed May 05, 2021 9:08 pm


For a wISP, WiFi6 is the largest single improvement *ever* in wireless performance on single streams, then stacking 4x4 and 8x8 radio options with 2 way MU-MIMO.....
Now stack on an extra Ghz in WiFi6E.

Would love to see mikrotik lead the charge on this.
Time to wake up. To use wifi6 8x8, 12x12 outside, you will need a special antenna array. Which you will absolutely never see with a manufacturer like mikrotik.
You need to integrate the antenna with the radio chip. See how medusa from cambium does it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrb3aIFwWTM
No wake up. It is no longer the original company, no one's eyes are shining anymore. Nor was it originally a Radio company. These are mid-level routerboards with interesting features. This line is great. Now there is a lot of money and the next step is just to make more money in conveyor mode with the old radio technique. Can employees make their own Radio challenges and products? Are there many who are interested in it? Are they communicating with us?
I would have been tired of it all for a long time.
Not tired of slandering MT and using it at the same time? It's better to use what you like than cheaper or experiment with what you have. Life must be interesting and not full of complaints.
 
Stril
Member Candidate
Member Candidate
Posts: 200
Joined: Fri Nov 12, 2010 7:18 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Mon Jun 14, 2021 11:00 am

Hi!

Any news about that?
 
User avatar
rextended
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 11967
Joined: Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:49 pm
Location: Italy
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:30 pm

Contact support@mikrotik.com directly instead of asking other users,
without any decision-making power, with numerous unheard requests on the whole forum.
 
User avatar
TomjNorthIdaho
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 1492
Joined: Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:25 pm
Location: North Idaho
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Mon Jun 14, 2021 5:55 pm

It would be welcome to hear any official information from Mikrotik on Wi-Fi 6E.
 
User avatar
rextended
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 11967
Joined: Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:49 pm
Location: Italy
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Mon Jun 14, 2021 5:56 pm

It would be welcome to hear any official information from Mikrotik on Wi-Fi 6E.
Contact support@mikrotik.com directly instead of asking on users forum
 
User avatar
TomjNorthIdaho
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 1492
Joined: Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:25 pm
Location: North Idaho
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Mon Jun 14, 2021 6:01 pm

It would be welcome to hear any official information from Mikrotik on Wi-Fi 6E.
Contact support@mikrotik.com directly instead of asking on users forum
Re: ... Contact support@mikrotik.com ...
Hey what a good idea. Been there & done that a few times & I still have no idea if/when a Wi-Fi 6E is going to happen.
 
User avatar
rextended
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 11967
Joined: Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:49 pm
Location: Italy
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Mon Jun 14, 2021 6:02 pm

It would be welcome to hear any official information from Mikrotik on Wi-Fi 6E.
Contact support@mikrotik.com directly instead of asking on users forum
Re: ... Contact support@mikrotik.com ...
Hey what a good idea. Been there & done that a few times & I still have no idea if/when a Wi-Fi 6E is going to happen.
What did they answer to you, when did you write to them?
 
User avatar
TomjNorthIdaho
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 1492
Joined: Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:25 pm
Location: North Idaho
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Mon Jun 14, 2021 6:50 pm

It would be welcome to hear any official information from Mikrotik on Wi-Fi 6E.
Contact support@mikrotik.com directly instead of asking on users forum
Re: ... Contact support@mikrotik.com ...
Hey what a good idea. Been there & done that a few times & I still have no idea if/when a Wi-Fi 6E is going to happen.
What did they answer to you, when did you write to them?
A year ago, I received some emails from Mikrotik.
- ... considering ...
- possible product operating fully in the 6 GHz could be in ....

I don't want to tip off what they said in their email(s) to me from a year ago , but I still have high hopes that a product is still in the works.

My WISP/ISP is 100-percent a Mikrotik shop for all wireless devices. Sooo, my waiting for 6 GHz Wi-Fi 6E Mikrotik products makes time run slow and waiting 1 year feels like waiting 4 years.
 
User avatar
TomjNorthIdaho
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 1492
Joined: Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:25 pm
Location: North Idaho
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Mon Jun 14, 2021 7:38 pm

Here is a decent URL I check into from time to time to what's happening with any new Wi-Fi news.

https://www.wi-fi.org/discover-wi-fi
 
Cablenut9
Long time Member
Long time Member
Posts: 542
Joined: Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:30 am

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Mon Jun 14, 2021 8:42 pm

Another thing with 6E is that the AFC system for outdoor usage won't be working until 2022, but of course I'll be working on a way to bypass it (through dst-nat rules!) when it goes live.
 
PackElend
Member Candidate
Member Candidate
Posts: 268
Joined: Tue Sep 29, 2020 6:05 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Sun Sep 26, 2021 10:31 pm

any news here as ROS 7 RC releases come much more often, than beta releases
 
syadnom
Forum Veteran
Forum Veteran
Posts: 794
Joined: Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:29 am

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Sun Sep 26, 2021 10:36 pm

I would initially be quite happy with JUST WiFi6, 6E will be great, but I can use 6 today to great effect.
 
noucom
just joined
Posts: 2
Joined: Fri May 24, 2019 9:10 am

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Mon Oct 18, 2021 11:22 am

Seems that the WiFi is godforsaken.

No 802.11ax , no wifi 6E.

Ok, message undestood, Mikrotik. You have leave us.
 
gotsprings
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 2087
Joined: Mon May 14, 2012 9:30 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Mon Oct 18, 2021 3:33 pm

any news here as ROS 7 RC releases come much more often, than beta releases
AC Wave2 on the Audience got me the best performance I have seen out of a Mikrotik radio.
But a few things stopped me cold.
Can't work with caps-man
VLANs are not clear

I am using it as a Zerotier bridge now.
WITH THE RADIOS TURNED OFF.
 
User avatar
anav
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 18958
Joined: Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:28 pm
Location: Nova Scotia, Canada
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Mon Oct 18, 2021 4:46 pm

meanwhile down in my basement smartphone on my iphone connected to an EAP245 I was getting 530 down and 330 up;
and upstairs on the EAP 660, 650 down, 310 up.
(capac 215 up, 180 down)
 
User avatar
jbl42
Member Candidate
Member Candidate
Posts: 214
Joined: Sun Jun 21, 2020 12:58 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:47 pm

Seems that the WiFi is godforsaken.

No 802.11ax , no wifi 6E.

Ok, message undestood, Mikrotik. You have leave us.
Much worse: Not even 802.11k/v/r support for WiFi5.
meaning it can't beuse outside SOHO applications.

MikroTik has obviously given up on WiFi.
Use the routers, they are excellent. But do yourself a favour and stay clear of any MT WiFi for serious comercial applications.
 
User avatar
kiler129
Member
Member
Posts: 352
Joined: Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:32 pm
Location: IL, USA
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Mon Oct 18, 2021 10:22 pm

Doesn't v7 with WiFiWave2 package enable 802.11w and 802.11v?
 
User avatar
jbl42
Member Candidate
Member Candidate
Posts: 214
Joined: Sun Jun 21, 2020 12:58 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:03 am

wifiwave2 supports 802.11w (Management Frame Protection, standardized in 2009) and MU-MIMO (available from other vendors since 2015).
At least on the 4 devices were it is supported at all.
But not 802.11r, which is required for fast roaming with WPA-Enterprise to allow WiFi roaming without interrupting VoIP calls.
802.11k/v is not mentionied anywhere. Altough technicaly less important, lack of it is a deal breaker for most commercial customers.
And capsman for wifiwave2 is announced, but no date given so far.

And all of this while the market is moving towards 802.11ax / WiFi6(E)
Doesn't look promising.
 
server8
Long time Member
Long time Member
Posts: 592
Joined: Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:27 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Tue Oct 19, 2021 11:30 am

We still have 5000+ mikrotik cpes and it's too expensive to think to swap them with new hardware, so a legacy mode AX access point from mikrotik 'd be a good solution to save a lot of money. Wave2 has some features that 'd be compatible with AX.

Is mikrotik is planning 802.11AX access point mu-mimo 8x8 compatible with old .AC/N antenna? Something like the interop mode of the new Mimosa A6, coming out in Q1 2022.

Please let know us to stay on the market in the next 2 years.

Thank you
 
Stril
Member Candidate
Member Candidate
Posts: 200
Joined: Fri Nov 12, 2010 7:18 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Dec 01, 2021 9:15 pm

@mikrotik
PLEASE give us any future prospects!!

I do not want to see mikrotik getting thrown out of the installations!
 
User avatar
TomjNorthIdaho
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 1492
Joined: Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:25 pm
Location: North Idaho
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Dec 01, 2021 9:53 pm

@mikrotik
PLEASE give us any future prospects!!

I do not want to see mikrotik getting thrown out of the installations!
I've also been waiting for anything new or any news from Mikrotik that is 6 GHz and/or Wi-Fi 6e ( 5.925 MHz to 7.125 MHz ) (( indoor and/or outdoor products ))

Related - the Netgear WiFi 6E is currently dominating the home-residential WiFi 6E market. We have found the Netgear Orbi WiFi 6E product is the fastest of the fastest of the fastest for home wireless Mesh products available anywhere. Currently if you have a large home where no single wireless AP can cover the entire home, then the Orbi is the only fast working solution.

North Idaho Tom Jones
 
User avatar
anav
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 18958
Joined: Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:28 pm
Location: Nova Scotia, Canada
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Dec 01, 2021 10:55 pm

Hi Tom,
If you have room in your cough cough 'small budget" can you get a TP link 660HD and the new Ubiquiti WIFI U6 Pro (both wifi 6 models) and compare to the Netgear of which you speak.
Just single Access Point performance. The Ubiquiti at $180 Cdn seems to be very very competitively priced with ONE caveat. Need stewpid controller software! Looking for the stand alone mode I believe one can setup on an APP (phone)

The comparable ceiling wall access point on the netgear side is this one
https://www.netgear.com/business/wifi/a ... ts/wax218/

Is that what you have looked at??? Comes in at $224 roughly same price as TPLINK eap660HD.
Both these models are not small, NG - square shape 8.11 x 8.11 inches (11 inches corner to corner) and TP is circle shape with radius diameter 9.6 inch
The U6 pro is circle shape with diameter of 7.76 inches.
 
User avatar
mozerd
Forum Veteran
Forum Veteran
Posts: 871
Joined: Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:39 pm
Location: Canada
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Dec 01, 2021 11:14 pm

the Netgear WiFi 6E is currently dominating the home-residential WiFi 6E market. We have found the Netgear Orbi WiFi 6E product is the fastest of the fastest of the fastest for home wireless Mesh products available anywhere. Currently if you have a large home where no single wireless AP can cover the entire home, then the Orbi is the only fast working solution.
I can confirm that absolutely == NOTHING can beet Netgear Oribi WiFi 6E -- performance and reliability ... however the Oribi is expensive Very expensive and YES quite a few -- in the financial upper class - a buying this product.
https://www.netgear.com/home/wifi/wifi6e/
 
User avatar
anav
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 18958
Joined: Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:28 pm
Location: Nova Scotia, Canada
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Dec 01, 2021 11:30 pm

Man I missed the boat, this is netgear 6E
Includes 6ghz network. Insane!! (like the price)
Nothing else on the market like this that I know about.
But dont see a wall/ceiling version??
 
User avatar
TomjNorthIdaho
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 1492
Joined: Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:25 pm
Location: North Idaho
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Dec 01, 2021 11:56 pm

mozerd - thank you for your opinion.

IMO - in a large home ( example - my home is almost 6k square feet ) a proper and decent wireless mesh system needs 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz and 6 GHz./ WiFi 6E mesh system.
2.4 GHz ( 2.412 GHz through 2.462 GHz )
5 GHz ( 5.250–5.350 GHz and 5.470–5.725 GHz )
6 GHz ( 1200 MHz spectrum from 5.925 GHz to 7.125 GHz --- That is a lot of very fast 160 MHz wide channels !!! )

At this time, Mikrotik is only batting 2 out of 3 :(
 
Stril
Member Candidate
Member Candidate
Posts: 200
Joined: Fri Nov 12, 2010 7:18 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:34 pm

Hoping for 6E is nice, but I would be happy, if there would be at least WiFi6!
 
Samot
Member Candidate
Member Candidate
Posts: 113
Joined: Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:01 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:46 pm

What I have noticed of the course of 2021 and people flexing hard about getting 802.11ax APs for their network. When you ask them about the devices on their network and **their 802.11ax support** turns out most of the wifi devices don't even have the support. So right now putting 802.11ax in a location really hasn't been a high priority of my customers because the majority of their laptops or other wifi devices don't support it. They don't see the benefit of replacing all their 802.11ac access points for less than 5% device support.

So having a 100% 802.11ax supported network is great so as long as it actually can be used by devices that support it. Otherwise you just replace a bunch of 802.11ac devices for the sake of saying "I gots wifi6"
 
Stril
Member Candidate
Member Candidate
Posts: 200
Joined: Fri Nov 12, 2010 7:18 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Thu Dec 02, 2021 5:48 pm

Is this really the case with the WiFi-standards?
Shouldn't a Wave2-AP provide a better performance although, the clients are not able to use Wave2?
Shouldn't a Wifi6-AP provide a better performance although, the clients are not able to use Wifi6?
 
User avatar
TomjNorthIdaho
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 1492
Joined: Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:25 pm
Location: North Idaho
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Thu Dec 02, 2021 6:19 pm

Re WiFi 6 & WiFi 6E ( 5.925 GHz to 7.125 GHz )

IMO - These additional frequencies would be clean & quiet ( low noise ) for WDS backhauls, especially in a very busy high-noise 5 GHz world. (( in-home Mesh or outdoor point-to-point or or outdoor APs ))
 
gotsprings
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 2087
Joined: Mon May 14, 2012 9:30 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Fri Dec 03, 2021 2:11 am

What I have noticed of the course of 2021 and people flexing hard about getting 802.11ax APs for their network. When you ask them about the devices on their network and **their 802.11ax support** turns out most of the wifi devices don't even have the support. So right now putting 802.11ax in a location really hasn't been a high priority of my customers because the majority of their laptops or other wifi devices don't support it. They don't see the benefit of replacing all their 802.11ac access points for less than 5% device support.

So having a 100% 802.11ax supported network is great so as long as it actually can be used by devices that support it. Otherwise you just replace a bunch of 802.11ac devices for the sake of saying "I gots wifi6"
Don't know much about "Flexing Hard"

But I have a few AX devices around the house. But most everything else is ACV2
To cover all the WAPs I have here right now and over the last few weeks..
And the WORST PERFORMER is the cAP AC
The next up is the Audience with new WiFi drivers
Edged out by the hAP AC3
Clobbered by the Cambium E600 and E410
Stepped up to the R510 and R610 From Ruckus
Then the best performing has been the Ruckus R650 and R550 with Latest Firmware... 2 weeks ago... it was between the Cambium and the Older Ruckus.

Update...
Installed 7.1Testing on the audience, and built everything by hand. Making it a WAP from the ground up. Including setting the 4x4 radio to channel 149. And setting the 2x2 to 36.

I have the lowest error rate I have seen out of this WAP to date. And hit in the 400s on downloads.

That would jump it over the Cambium and almost dead even with the Ruckus R510.

Will do more testing.
 
server8
Long time Member
Long time Member
Posts: 592
Joined: Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:27 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:39 am

Any news? Other vendors in the next months 'll hit the market
 
User avatar
anav
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 18958
Joined: Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:28 pm
Location: Nova Scotia, Canada
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Jan 12, 2022 2:47 pm

Looking at the tea leaves, my guess is that MT will provide their RoS in combo with wifi6 or at least announce products by the end of the year,,,,,,,, which is not unreasonable considering supply chains etc.......
They seem to be very calculating in what they do and chasing technology is a very expensive proposition and MT is not about risk taking to that degree.

Their focus was on improving existing wifi5 products available, perhaps the wrong strategy, who knows, instead of focusing efforts on wifi6. Their call, but IMHO misguided.
Hopefully now they can switch gears...........
 
User avatar
TomjNorthIdaho
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 1492
Joined: Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:25 pm
Location: North Idaho
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:44 pm

Looking at the tea leaves, my guess is that MT will provide their RoS in combo with wifi6 or at least announce products by the end of the year,,,,,,,, which is not unreasonable considering supply chains etc.......
They seem to be very calculating in what they do and chasing technology is a very expensive proposition and MT is not about risk taking to that degree.

Their focus was on improving existing wifi5 products available, perhaps the wrong strategy, who knows, instead of focusing efforts on wifi6. Their call, but IMHO misguided.
Hopefully now they can switch gears...........
... by the end of the year ...
Which year ( 2022 or 2023 or 2024 ) ?
I am frustrated by the lack of news from Mikrotik on Wi-Fi 6 / Wi-Fi 6e.
You just can't keep re-hashing old-out-of-date 5-GHz wireless products & technology.
By the time Mikrotik has a Wi-Fi 6 & Wi-Fi 6e product that is shipping , it will be to little and to late. The WISP world will be using other brand name products. Heck , you walk into any computer/electronics store and you see shelf after shelf of Wi-Fi 6e products.
 
User avatar
anav
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 18958
Joined: Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:28 pm
Location: Nova Scotia, Canada
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:00 pm

The only year that counts Tom, that being 2022, you know the one we are experiencing and are walking talking living human beings in.
Any other year (obviously in the future) is a crapshoot.
Coming from zyxel, I at least was able to get in touch with staff that would pass me the non-public Road Maps (quarter projections)
This was very helpful for me in terms of sales but also very important for the larger customers in terms of planning.
IMHO they should be having a dialogue with key customers as yourself to provide that knowledge.
For competition purposes and because plans are only plans and not promises it cant be public.
 
User avatar
mozerd
Forum Veteran
Forum Veteran
Posts: 871
Joined: Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:39 pm
Location: Canada
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:37 pm

@TomjNorthIdaho
For OEM’s there is a huge incentive to jump on the 6E bandwagon because the demand for gear will rise exponentially… sales of 6E gear is jumping off the shelves in my market and I am told that in the Far East the very same is true. I have Zero knowledge whether MikroTik have clued in the sales bonanza taking place … I strongly suspect that Tik will not be on the 6E bandwagon because it does not suit their pricing philosophy…. Sorry to disappoint you. :D
 
anuser
Long time Member
Long time Member
Posts: 601
Joined: Sat Nov 29, 2014 7:27 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:14 pm

You can download and open "Extra Packages" for "ARM" at mikrotik.com/download. There you will find the wifiwave2 package. If you open it and navigate to \lib\firmware you will find folders with chipset names:

- QCA9984
- QCA9888
- IPQ8074v2
- IPQ8074
- IPQ6018
- IPQ5018
- IPQ4019

So it seems we will have some Wi-Fi 6 based devices in the future, but not Wi-Fi 6E.
Nowadays you can buy IPQ60xx based PoE driven Wi-Fi 6 certified access points (2x2:2) for less than 120$ including taxes in Europe with 802.11k/v/r/w, dynamic based VLAN assignment with RADIUS, airtimes fairness, band steering, ... For MikroTik cAP ac (802.11ac, 2x2:2) I have to pay around 70$. So for a cAP ax I assume we will have to pay around 90$, but then without any proper protocol support it will not be able to compete with the rest of the products on the market.
 
User avatar
kiler129
Member
Member
Posts: 352
Joined: Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:32 pm
Location: IL, USA
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:47 pm

6E is not a concern just yet, even bigger players are just dipping their feet in 6Ghz. However, adding 6E on top of 6 shouldn't be a big challenge as the jump from 6 to 6E is practically just the band, while 5 to 6 was a big overhaul of features.

MT devices are cheap and target a slightly different market than Ruckus, Cisco, or Aruba - we have to face that. However, they definitely waited way too long to introduce wifiwave2. In addition it's a little bit of a slap in the face for every single RB4011 deployed now... that was a flagship and despite HW being more expensive and fully complain with Wave2 it will not work with any Wave2 features due to the software (ok... sure, it can if you get rid of 2.4Ghz which is a no-go realistically).
 
User avatar
SecCon
Member Candidate
Member Candidate
Posts: 156
Joined: Mon May 03, 2021 10:52 am

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:26 am

Jeez. What a discussion.

Anyhow, I will buy a Mikrotik AP. I want to keep everything in one brand, one interface and one learning curve.

I am pondering the hAP ac3 but might also go with an Audience. It is for a 200square meter home in two floors and I intend to place it in the middle of the house on the top floor. No concrete walls or huge metal ventilation ducts. Just wood and plaster.
Don't need PoE or LTE, just a seriously good AP with good performance, that I might complement with a second one if needed, hence some MESH might be nice to have.

What I do not want to risk is buying something that will be retired from sales or superseded with newer model less than a year after my purchase. That is also why I post in this thread since it seems to deal with future WiFi products and technologies.

Your opinion, dear fanb0is?
 
infabo
Long time Member
Long time Member
Posts: 585
Joined: Thu Nov 12, 2020 12:07 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Fri Jan 14, 2022 1:52 pm

I am no fanboy, but Audience may fit best out of all MT APs. It may even receive wave2 somewhen in the far future.
 
gotsprings
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 2087
Joined: Mon May 14, 2012 9:30 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:15 pm

I am no fanboy, but Audience may fit best out of all MT APs. It may even receive wave2 somewhen in the far future.
I have run WiFi Wave 2 drivers on my Audience for months now.

You loose caps-man, meshing, and a few other Mikrotik wireless features...

But you get the best performing Wifi serving radio I have seen from Mikrotik.

To put that in perspective... It's now about equal AC WAVE 2 Access Points from OTHER MANUFACTURES, 2016 hardware.
 
gotsprings
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 2087
Joined: Mon May 14, 2012 9:30 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:33 pm

SecCon,

Your stubbornness is in direct conflict with reality.

I have a hAP AC2 as my router. It gets me 900+ Meg's WAN to LAN. An EoIP IPSec layer link to my office so I can use services and ACLs. Handles WAN fail over to my cellular back Up. Handles multiple Subnets. And all the other great thing routerOS can do as a router.

My crs328 has become the core switch here. Now that Mikrotik got it stable (for the first year I had it... It would shut down groups of ports for no good reason). It's doing wire speed switching and handles my VLANs with ease. It's had NO PROBLEM powering Access Points from UBNT, Ruckus, and Cambium. It's worked with Mikrotik WAPs... But the audience will over draw the POE AT settings from time to time and force the port to reboot.

Using WAVE 2 drivers on both, the Audience configured as a 3 radio WAP (only, NO Routing) handles more clients with better throughput than the hAP AC3 configured as a WAP only. The advantage of the 4x4 radio and 2x2 vs ONLY THE 2x2 in the hAP AC3. The hAP AC3 is "louder"... But the Audience handles a house full of devices better.

But in all seriousness... Neither the Audience or hAP AC3 would be considered a "seriously good wap" by 2022 standards. As I stated... With the WAVE2 drivers... They finally equal devices I have used from other manufactures SINCE 2016.

The stack of WiFi 6 access points I have here have absolutely bludgeoned the Tik radios once again.
 
User avatar
anav
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 18958
Joined: Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:28 pm
Location: Nova Scotia, Canada
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:37 pm

I would not give up my tplink eap245 AP for an audience, tested yesterday, 619/499 up on my iphone test to the internet through ookla.
Does vlans, stable etc. Yes I miss the flexibility of RoS, but do I really need it for an AP, not really.

As gotsprings said, now you can get wifi6 APs, why step backwards?
I just bought the mother-in-law a TPlink archer ax55 wifi router, no vlans, but she has a flat subnet, so she gets rocking wifi performance (+wpa3 whatever that is) and for not much more than $100 bucks, on sale.
 
huntermic
Member Candidate
Member Candidate
Posts: 111
Joined: Wed Oct 26, 2016 3:42 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:41 pm

Same here, have three of those and a OC200 Omada Hardware Controller. Works like a charm.
Used three hAP ac2 devices before and that was horrible.
I would not give up my tplink eap245 AP for an audience, tested yesterday, 619/499 up on my iphone test to the internet through ookla.
Does vlans, stable etc. Yes I miss the flexibility of RoS, but do I really need it for an AP, not really.
 
gotsprings
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 2087
Joined: Mon May 14, 2012 9:30 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:44 pm

I would not give up my tplink eap245 AP for an audience, tested yesterday, 619/499 up on my iphone test to the internet through ookla.
Does vlans, stable etc. Yes I miss the flexibility of RoS, but do I really need it for an AP, not really.

As gotsprings said, now you can get wifi6 APs, why step backwards?
I just bought the mother-in-law a TPlink archer ax55 wifi router, no vlans, but she has a flat subnet, so she gets rocking wifi performance (+wpa3 whatever that is) and for not much more than $100 bucks, on sale.
I have said it for years...

"If only caps-man could control a good radio."
 
User avatar
SecCon
Member Candidate
Member Candidate
Posts: 156
Joined: Mon May 03, 2021 10:52 am

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:31 pm

I would not give up my tplink eap245 AP for an audience, tested yesterday, 619/499 up on my iphone test to the internet through ookla.
Does vlans, stable etc. Yes I miss the flexibility of RoS, but do I really need it for an AP, not really.
As gotsprings said, now you can get wifi6 APs, why step backwards?
I have 600Mbit/s plus at any given time, and max drops from corners maybe a dozen meters away gives me a reduction to 450MBit/s. On an Asus RC-87U I bought in 2017. It is not always about speed, but also about safer hardware and despite me updating that one every time Asus release a FW, I am pretty sure the hardware development in 5 years makes for a safer network, once properly configured. Also an Audience is better looking for visible placement. I wouldn't need a full RoS on that one either, but you configure it according to your needs and just leave the rest of the options in peace.
 
User avatar
mozerd
Forum Veteran
Forum Veteran
Posts: 871
Joined: Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:39 pm
Location: Canada
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:36 pm

OT: 8)
@secCon
"Rejoice that ye have found it and rest from endless war
for the seven-naméd city 'tis that stands upon the hill,
where all who strive with Morgoth find hope and valour still."

The Lay of the Fall of Gondolin
 
User avatar
anav
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 18958
Joined: Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:28 pm
Location: Nova Scotia, Canada
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:50 pm

Since we seem to be in an OT mood......

MT WIFI - in case there is any doubt!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlMZY77BeUQ
 
User avatar
SecCon
Member Candidate
Member Candidate
Posts: 156
Joined: Mon May 03, 2021 10:52 am

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Fri Jan 14, 2022 7:26 pm

OT: 8)
@secCon
"Rejoice that ye have found it and rest from endless war
for the seven-naméd city 'tis that stands upon the hill,
where all who strive with Morgoth find hope and valour still."

The Lay of the Fall of Gondolin
It's mine, my precious: https://www.amazon.com/Fall-Gondolin-J- ... 1328613046
(Among about 20 other books of LOTR in three languages)
 
infabo
Long time Member
Long time Member
Posts: 585
Joined: Thu Nov 12, 2020 12:07 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:52 pm

2016 is only 6 years back. Never change a running wifi. Somewhat
 
User avatar
SecCon
Member Candidate
Member Candidate
Posts: 156
Joined: Mon May 03, 2021 10:52 am

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:41 am

2016 is only 6 years back. Never change a running wifi. Somewhat
I would agree if it was hundreds of units in a complex setup. This is not. It is one.
 
User avatar
andyhenckel
newbie
Posts: 27
Joined: Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:56 am
Location: Missoula, MT

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Mon Jan 17, 2022 10:39 pm

With 802.11be wifi 7 now being developed, and plenty of off the shelf AX devices - when can we hope to see something with Mikrotik??. In the list of supported devices, I see lots of LTE modems USB but no wifi6 or 7 USB devices supported.

Naturally, Mikrotik will want us to stay ahead of the competition. We have been rolling out the 60ghz gear at short range.

I'm confused as to why there isn't a mikrotik supported AX chipset coming down the line. It should allow us to utilize higher QAM rates and cram more data thru the same frequency space right?

Hoping and praying for a higher QAM MTIK solution. Thanks!
 
User avatar
kiler129
Member
Member
Posts: 352
Joined: Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:32 pm
Location: IL, USA
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Mon Jan 17, 2022 11:55 pm

In the list of supported devices, I see lots of LTE modems USB but no wifi6 or 7 USB devices supported.
USB as a protocol is pretty bad for networking. With the pps and Mbps requirement of a modern WiFi it's not really wise to go that route. In addition the vast majority of WiFi SoCs are PCI-Ex based so making USB adapters for them would require additional USB => PCI-Ex bridges. This isn't a good route. MT used to support such devices and stability even in the 802.11g times was very questionable.

I'm confused as to why there isn't a mikrotik supported AX chipset coming down the line. It should allow us to utilize higher QAM rates and cram more data thru the same frequency space right?
802.11ax/WiFi 6 is a huge conceptual shift with a lot of "under the hood" cleanup in comparison to 802.11ac/WiFi 5 but it doesn't address a lot of capacity problems. In contrast WiFi 6E opens a new band but it's conceptually not that different from WiFi 6, so it's adoption is more limited by hardware than software. MT dragged their feet for way too long with internal WiFI stack instead of using manufacturer's-provided one. This was great in the 802.11g/n times when they could pull things like NV2 - it didn't pay off in 802.11ac. RB4011 is a GREAT example of that: amazing wave2 hardware choked by the software being unable to utilize it to the full potential.

All this for sure contributes to lack of AX support. They needed to put resources into wifiwave2 (which is a new concept as this time it uses manufacturer's stack instead of MT one) and it for sure cost a lot of money and time. Let's hope that this situation is just a temporary setback as the hw and sw for routing is amazing.... and the wifi is a slight embarrassment as of today.
 
User avatar
JimGrisham
just joined
Posts: 6
Joined: Thu Jan 28, 2021 6:25 am

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Feb 02, 2022 1:08 am

Re: 6E ( Wi-Fi 6E ( 5.925 GHz to 7.125 GHz )

The ISP/WISP I work for is federally recognized as tribal sovereign nation. We have a huge need for a reliable and fast communication system ( including Internet ). Our 5-GHz WISP system was nearly saturated a year ago. When the Covid-19 pandemic started in early 2020, we experienced a huge increase in customer bandwidth demands ( on-line education, health care ... ).

There are only two technology methods to add additional bandwidth to our clients here inside the reservation we serve:

Until 6E products are available and shipping, we will continue installing fiber-to-the-home as fast as we can.
To bridge that sort of gap, others have had success with breaking up crowded 5GHz (through allowing use of less transmission power / antenna gain), by some combination of tactics such as:
  • Extending the backbone with either fiber or wireless radios (including from other vendors) … e.g. ‘mini-towers’
  • Setting up a mesh (either real or pseudo) by installing another directional/sector antenna at some of the homes, or linking some homes together in a (redundant) chain arraignment
  • Otherwise managing spectrum based on time / usage / QoS / polarization

If the homes are really that far apart, could they be used as nodes (instead of endpoints)?

Geography such as barns and hills can be great hinderances for RF networks, but also can sometimes be as a weapon for frequency re-use to help solve difficult problems.

(In a urgent situation such as the pandemic, perhaps community members could even be enlisted to help with route brainstorming … or perhaps even temporary installations, if inexpensive two-dish antennas on tripods were made available.)
Main network < - - - (u-wave link) - - - > Tower 1 <——— (fiber) ———> House 74 <——— (fiber) ———> House 75 <- - - (u-wave link) - - -> …
         ^                                                              ^
         |                                                              | (u-wave link)
         |                                                              v
         |_________________________ (fiber) ______________________> Tower 113 < - - - (u-wave link) - - - > …
The topology can quickly be hard to get ones head around as the network grows, but is manageable with good planning and documentation.

It just seems there must be a way, even with 2008-level equipment… I got the impression there were numerous MikroTik-only WISPs in Europe/Africa that were managing much higher client density using existing spectrum.

Back in the 2.4GHz only days, necessity probably drove more of these ‘creative’ type solutions … as time marches on I imagine much of that knowledge is lost (or at least becomes dormant) as more people retire.

This would allow all the customer devices to remain inexpensive Mikrotik models, even if you had to use a different vendor for some infrastructure equipment (e.g. for your 2.3 GHz radios, if you can’t get those in cards that fit into modular MicroTik units).
 
User avatar
TomjNorthIdaho
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 1492
Joined: Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:25 pm
Location: North Idaho
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Feb 02, 2022 2:09 am

re my post dated Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:05 pm

...
Re: 6E ( Wi-Fi 6E ( 5.925 GHz to 7.125 GHz )

The ISP/WISP I work for is federally recognized as tribal sovereign nation. We have a huge need for a reliable and fast communication system ( including Internet ). Our 5-GHz WISP system was nearly saturated a year ago. When the Covid-19 pandemic started in early 2020, we experienced a huge increase in customer bandwidth demands ( on-line education, health care ... ).

There are only two technology methods to add additional bandwidth to our clients here inside the reservation we serve:

Until 6E products are available and shipping, we will continue installing fiber-to-the-home as fast as we can.
...


I've decided to no longer wait and hope for any possible future Mikrotik Wi-Fi 6E ( 5.925 GHz to 7.125 GHz ) products. There has never been any Mikrotik news about Wi-Fi 6e .
Sooo, instead , we are now working on plans to expand and extend our Fiber-To-The-Home networks (FTTH).
* We are now planning on 10-Gig FTTH GPON fiber networks to reach most-all of our customers.

North Idaho Tom Jones
 
gotsprings
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 2087
Joined: Mon May 14, 2012 9:30 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Feb 02, 2022 2:43 am

I was in a webinar last week where they said that 6e wasn't approved for full power outside yet.

Need to see if I can locate the slide.
 
User avatar
TomjNorthIdaho
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 1492
Joined: Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:25 pm
Location: North Idaho
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:10 am

I was in a webinar last week where they said that 6e wasn't approved for full power outside yet.

Need to see if I can locate the slide.
A wireless router ( Mikrotik ? ) 6e full-power or any power would help most customers with in-home wireless routers ( especially multiple wireless routers in a large home ).
 
User avatar
mhansson
just joined
Posts: 4
Joined: Sat Nov 30, 2019 1:42 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Thu Feb 10, 2022 1:14 pm

Not sure if anyone else noticed it but if you look at https://help.mikrotik.com/docs/display/ ... properties and take a look under BAND, it lists: (2ghz-g | 2ghz-n | 2ghz-ax | 5ghz-a | 5ghz-ac | 5ghz-an | 5ghz-ax)

So with "2ghz-ax" and "5ghz-ax" we can guess that something is coming, lets hope that this something comes soon :-)
 
gotsprings
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 2087
Joined: Mon May 14, 2012 9:30 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Thu Feb 10, 2022 1:38 pm

I was in a webinar last week where they said that 6e wasn't approved for full power outside yet.

Need to see if I can locate the slide.
A wireless router ( Mikrotik ? ) 6e full-power or any power would help most customers with in-home wireless routers ( especially multiple wireless routers in a large home ).
I thought when you mentioned your wisp that you were hoping to use 6E as the transmission method TOO the sites. I didn't understand you were talking about the LAN devices

I have the only 6E device in my home. With wifi 6 WAPS.
 
r00t
Long time Member
Long time Member
Posts: 672
Joined: Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:14 am

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:18 pm

So with "2ghz-ax" and "5ghz-ax" we can guess that something is coming, lets hope that this something comes soon :-)
Well, there were some signs of something in the firmware strings and supported hardware by wave2 etc. but we have seen all these for years without Mikrotik even mentioning WIFI6 anywhere in any of the newsletters or any other official documents.
One day, there probably will be WIFI6 hardware by Mikrotik... but when that will happen?... no one knows!
With all the work they have with porting ROS 6.x to 7.x, I doubt we will see WIFI6 from Mikrotik this year. Maybe 2022Q4 or something like that, if we are lucky.
So if you need WIFI6 HW now, there is no point in waiting, other manufacturers sell what you need. Today.
 
User avatar
mozerd
Forum Veteran
Forum Veteran
Posts: 871
Joined: Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:39 pm
Location: Canada
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:29 pm

From and OEM perspective 6E is where all the action is ... From a consumer perspective - in Asia, and Canada/USA 6E is flying off the shelves but supply is very limited so prices remain high -- Netgear Orbi 960 Series leads the 6E parade by a country mile ....
 
User avatar
TomjNorthIdaho
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 1492
Joined: Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:25 pm
Location: North Idaho
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:48 pm

From and OEM perspective 6E is where all the action is ... From a consumer perspective - in Asia, and Canada/USA 6E is flying off the shelves but supply is very limited so prices remain high -- Netgear Orbi 960 Series leads the 6E parade by a country mile ....
I believe the Orbi 6e is likely the fastest home WiFi mesh system possible in a larger home. Also , it can operate with 160 MHz wide channels in the 6-GHz frequency ranges - low noise and low chance of rogue noise sources.
 
User avatar
anav
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 18958
Joined: Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:28 pm
Location: Nova Scotia, Canada
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:57 pm

Tom mozerd, can todays smartphones connect to wifi6e?
 
syadnom
Forum Veteran
Forum Veteran
Posts: 794
Joined: Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:29 am

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Thu Feb 10, 2022 8:01 pm

Tom mozerd, can todays smartphones connect to wifi6e?
Only on the most recent android phones. AFAIK, only the Galazy S22 ultra and + do. iPhone 13 doesn't.

In a year though, all that will change.
 
User avatar
TomjNorthIdaho
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 1492
Joined: Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:25 pm
Location: North Idaho
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Thu Feb 10, 2022 8:06 pm

Tom mozerd, can todays smartphones connect to wifi6e?
YES
There are some smartphones that support Wi-Fi 6E.

Such as:
Google Pixel 6
Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra
Redmagic 6s Pro
Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 3
Motorola Edge (2021)
Pixel 6 Pro
Asus Zenfone 8
ROG Phone 5s
However - at this time , there are zero 6E smartphones ( or any 6E devices anywhere ) that can make a Wi-Fi 6E connection to any Mikrotik products ( because Mikrotik does not have any 6E products ).
 
User avatar
mozerd
Forum Veteran
Forum Veteran
Posts: 871
Joined: Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:39 pm
Location: Canada
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Thu Feb 10, 2022 8:08 pm

The following provides what’s happening in the 6E marketplace
https://www.wi-fi.org/beacon/the-beacon ... 20continue.

Wi-Fi Alliance® 2022 Wi-Fi® trends
https://www.wi-fi.org/news-events/newsr ... -fi-trends
 
danca
just joined
Posts: 2
Joined: Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:36 am

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Fri Feb 11, 2022 5:07 pm

While investigating, I found some interesting lines in the defconf genarator config in the latest firmware.
  :set ($outArray->"w$cardNext") {
    "chains"=$chains;
    "isAc"=$isAc;
    "isN"=$isN;
    "isAd"=$isAd;
    "isAy"=$isAy;
    "isAx"=$isAx;
    "frequencyMode"=$frequency
  }
It looks like Mikrotik is really preparing for ax.

I also found this:
  :if ($board->"model"~"LHG|Disc|nRAY|ATLGM") do={
    :if ($numWils > 0) do={
      :set configMode "w60g_bridge";
Anyone knows what ATLGM is? At least it has 60G radio.
 
DeDMorozzzz
Frequent Visitor
Frequent Visitor
Posts: 81
Joined: Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:09 am

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Sat Feb 12, 2022 9:17 am

While investigating, I found some interesting lines in the defconf genarator config in the latest firmware.
  :set ($outArray->"w$cardNext") {
    "chains"=$chains;
    "isAc"=$isAc;
    "isN"=$isN;
    "isAd"=$isAd;
    "isAy"=$isAy;
    "isAx"=$isAx;
    "frequencyMode"=$frequency
  }
It looks like Mikrotik is really preparing for ax.

I also found this:
  :if ($board->"model"~"LHG|Disc|nRAY|ATLGM") do={
    :if ($numWils > 0) do={
      :set configMode "w60g_bridge";
Anyone knows what ATLGM is? At least it has 60G radio.
Your remark is really interesting. I hope we see some of that soon in action
 
User avatar
andyhenckel
newbie
Posts: 27
Joined: Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:56 am
Location: Missoula, MT

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Mar 30, 2022 6:55 pm

I'm glad to hear about the possibility of AX in the future from MTIK. With any luck they will go thru it thoroughly and create a product that performs very well. If we don't have something soon us in the mikrotik camp are going to be behind our competition (already are) and we will all need to adopt other radio systems at a higher cost to stay current. I hope that by June we have a working product, backward compatible that we can start swapping at the towers. NetmetalAX, QRTAX with sfp+, HAPax2... SXTax, DynadishAX, etc. Please add SFP ports to the design and this gives us wisp's more redundancy and capability with long cable runs, and custom installations. Our company is often tasked with not only providing internet to a location, but also with linking outbuildings as well. This usually means adding a power box or running extra cables into the home/business for the additional outdoor AP or PTP.

Dear Mikrotik Team, As always - Thanks for doing your best to help us build modular and powerful cutting edge networks. Your work helps rural communities and changes the way people in rural Montana function. Your work helps us rapidly deploy equipment and maintain a cost competitive edge when in a bidding war for clients.
 
alibloke
Frequent Visitor
Frequent Visitor
Posts: 51
Joined: Fri Jun 03, 2016 12:13 am

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Thu Mar 31, 2022 1:17 pm

Anyone knows what ATLGM is? At least it has 60G radio.
This?
https://help.mikrotik.com/docs/display/ ... +LTE18+kit
 
r00t
Long time Member
Long time Member
Posts: 672
Joined: Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:14 am

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Fri Apr 01, 2022 12:50 am

Here is some more info about that ATL:
viewtopic.php?t=183342

So it seems to be CAT18 LTE/5G modem with 60GHz radio...
 
gotsprings
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 2087
Joined: Mon May 14, 2012 9:30 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Apr 20, 2022 7:55 pm


Your remark is really interesting. I hope we see some of that soon in action
Any update?
Still waiting for the devices WiFi6 from Mikrotik.
i bought other brand WiFi6 for Mesh but there are bugs.

Hope Mikrotik release WIFI6 soon.
Keep on hoping.
 
User avatar
chechito
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 2989
Joined: Sun Aug 24, 2014 3:14 am
Location: Bogota Colombia
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Sat May 07, 2022 7:28 pm

i think wifi6 will be a rough travel on any vendor and client devices in general because of OFDM-A and other new Features, there is a lot of opportunity for problems to arise

if we add to this the interoperability with wifi5 and wifi4 devices which in many scenarios will be the majority of client devices base, we can see that deployment of wifi6 even if it starts today it will take years to take full advantage of their improvements

i think wifi6 improvements will be much more effective in wifi6E deployments where there is no need for interoperability with legacy devices, but wifi 6E adoption in client devices will be limited to high end for a while and it will take several years to be mainstream (in the countries which approved spectrum for this)

so the only thing that is mainstream is HYPE so let's fuel it up:

Qualcomm Launches Wi-Fi 7 Networking Pro Series for 10Gbps Access Points
https://www.anandtech.com/show/17369/qu ... ess-points

Lets open a new topic to fuel the hype requesting a roadmap for WiFi-7 now
 
User avatar
anav
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 18958
Joined: Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:28 pm
Location: Nova Scotia, Canada
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Sat May 07, 2022 7:40 pm

Well agreed, MT should be working on 6E and 7 and bypass 6 entirely to get back into the game. By the time they have initial 6, everyone will already have 6 at home with mature software looking at 6E and 7 with mouth watering ...................
 
syadnom
Forum Veteran
Forum Veteran
Posts: 794
Joined: Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:29 am

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Sat May 07, 2022 7:46 pm

i think wifi6 will be a rough travel on any vendor and client devices in general because of OFDM-A and other new Features, there is a lot of opportunity for problems to arise

if we add to this the interoperability with wifi5 and wifi4 devices which in many scenarios will be the majority of client devices base, we can see that deployment of wifi6 even if it starts today it will take years to take full advantage of their improvements

i think wifi6 improvements will be much more effective in wifi6E deployments where there is no need for interoperability with legacy devices, but wifi 6E adoption in client devices will be limited to high end for a while and it will take several years to be mainstream (in the countries which approved spectrum for this)

so the only thing that is mainstream is HYPE so let's fuel it up:
nah, you've got it all wrong. WiFi6 is fully mature. OFDMA is a dramatic improvement that has been vetted in production for a couple of years now. The wISP industry is way behind the curve on this. It already handles backwards compatibility well by simply running in OFDM when there are older clients, and no reason you can light up a pure WiFi6 AP just like you would a 6E and get OFDMA (which should be the preferred method).

Cambium & Mimosa are building in GPS sync and their management clouds for instance, but mikrotik doesn't need to do that. A lot of operators don't want/need sync because of their deployment model. Bone stock WiFi6 in OFDMA only mode (no <=wifi5 subs) would be exceptionally welcome. No frills, just outdoor WiFi6 APs on routeros.
 
syadnom
Forum Veteran
Forum Veteran
Posts: 794
Joined: Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:29 am

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Sat May 07, 2022 7:52 pm

Well agreed, MT should be working on 6E and 7 and bypass 6 entirely to get back into the game. By the time they have initial 6, everyone will already have 6 at home with mature software looking at 6E and 7 with mouth watering ...................
WiFi 6 get's them >90% of 6E, 6E *is* WiFi 6, just operating in 6Ghz and using the upcoming AFC services. WiFi7 will be bound by those same AFC rules for outdoor. There's still lots of life left in 5Ghz with OFDMA, it's a new lease on life for it.

WiFi7 is minor improvements over WiFi6/E at modulation and RU scheduling, but it's main improvement is multi-channel support. ie, running a 'single' connection across multiple bands and radios and aggregating that into a layer2 link. ultimate channel bonding. I don't want to downplay WiFi7, AP coordination, more MUMIMO streams, better retransition model, each of these and more are little 5% improvements that will add up too.....
 
gotsprings
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 2087
Joined: Mon May 14, 2012 9:30 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Sun May 08, 2022 10:34 pm

What a trip down memory lane This thread is.
 
User avatar
chechito
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 2989
Joined: Sun Aug 24, 2014 3:14 am
Location: Bogota Colombia
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Sat Jul 16, 2022 4:44 pm

Well agreed, MT should be working on 6E and 7 and bypass 6 entirely to get back into the game. By the time they have initial 6, everyone will already have 6 at home with mature software looking at 6E and 7 with mouth watering ...................
WiFi 6 get's them >90% of 6E, 6E *is* WiFi 6, just operating in 6Ghz and using the upcoming AFC services. WiFi7 will be bound by those same AFC rules for outdoor. There's still lots of life left in 5Ghz with OFDMA, it's a new lease on life for it.

WiFi7 is minor improvements over WiFi6/E at modulation and RU scheduling, but it's main improvement is multi-channel support. ie, running a 'single' connection across multiple bands and radios and aggregating that into a layer2 link. ultimate channel bonding. I don't want to downplay WiFi7, AP coordination, more MUMIMO streams, better retransition model, each of these and more are little 5% improvements that will add up too.....

today wifi7 is still at draft status, so we dont know which features will be mandatory, and experience teach us that vendors only deploy mandatory features in the long run, even at start they skip some mandatory features

because of that i refuse to jump in the truck of hype every time a new Wi-Fi standard is announced, most the time newer Wi-Fi generation most important feature is keep the market alive, making headlines and promote marketing towards consumerism

I am in favor of progress and innovation but sometimes big vendors abuse too much from consumers and market, that's why we must question ourselves from time to time about the way they doing things

Remember why some of us prefer MikroTik at first, it's because they do things differently, and better for us as a consumers, many small isp in the world would not have been so successful without MikroTik way of doing things

MikroTik is not perfect i know but

i think in some aspects asking to MikroTik to be equal to the other vendors is a big mistake
 
gotsprings
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 2087
Joined: Mon May 14, 2012 9:30 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Sun Jul 17, 2022 1:30 am

So 6 years behind and counting is cool?
 
holvoetn
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 5321
Joined: Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:14 am
Location: Belgium

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Sun Jul 17, 2022 10:06 am

People using Nokia 3310 think it's cool ?
 
User avatar
anav
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 18958
Joined: Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:28 pm
Location: Nova Scotia, Canada
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Sun Jul 17, 2022 5:15 pm

Some people think that a bidet is cool...........
But really all people want is a stable reasonable throughput wifi........ that wifi6 actually offers.
 
User avatar
chechito
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 2989
Joined: Sun Aug 24, 2014 3:14 am
Location: Bogota Colombia
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Mon Jul 18, 2022 3:05 am

i think data-rate difference between wifi5 and wifi 6 is not that dramatically around 15%

supposedly most improvement expected from wifi6 is on high density scenarios mostly because of OFDMA

the expected 1024-QAM gains (25% data-rate) will only be feasible a few feet from AP with clean spectrum

one feature i expect to be interesting for IOT is segregated resource units (RUs). to improve coverage and save power

off course always we depend of client device support
 
gotsprings
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 2087
Joined: Mon May 14, 2012 9:30 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Mon Jul 18, 2022 12:31 pm

Some people think that a bidet is cool...........
But really all people want is a stable reasonable throughput wifi........ that wifi6 actually offers.
The real problem...

Some really smart people seem all too willing to drink out of the bidet.
 
User avatar
anav
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 18958
Joined: Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:28 pm
Location: Nova Scotia, Canada
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Mon Jul 18, 2022 4:37 pm

Some people think that a bidet is cool...........
But really all people want is a stable reasonable throughput wifi........ that wifi6 actually offers.
The real problem...

Some really smart people seem all too willing to drink out of the bidet.
LMFAO.......
 
User avatar
TomjNorthIdaho
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 1492
Joined: Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:25 pm
Location: North Idaho
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Tue Jul 19, 2022 7:29 pm

IMO , I think we are loosing potential sales of customer in-home wireless routers because Mikrotik does not have any WiFi 6E devices.

Here is an example where the ORBI WiFi 6E shines.
- A customer or business ( or you ) has a large area or home to cover with WiFi.
- No single WiFi AP can cover the entire area and deliver high speed to everybody at the same time
- Multiple APs are needed ( qty 3 WiFi APs may be needed to cover the entire area and you want/need Ceee ( 80 Mhz wide channel widths ).
- For three APs you will need three 80 MHZ wide channels for APs and an additional 80 MHz wide channel for a WDS link ( there is no ethernet in the building ).
- For four wireless networks , you need/want four non-overlapping 80 MHz channels. Whoops --- There is not enough 5 GHz spectrum to support four non-overlapping Ceee 80 MHz wide channels !!!
- With WiFi 6E , you have the additional 6 GHz spectrum and part of the lower portion of 7 GHz. So now you can easily configure four 80-MHz non-overlapping channels. ( or more ... ).
- With WiFi 6E , everybody in a large home runs much much faster than you can possibly achieve using Mikrotik 5-GHz devices.

The difference in speed between WiFi 6E and legacy WiFi 5 GHz APs is similar to the difference in speed between 2.4 GHz and legacy 5 GHz APs.

The Netgear Orbi WiFi 6E mesh system totally rocks in large areas where multiple APs are needed

I am beginning to wonder why Mikrotik has ignored WiFi 6E and continues with legacy 5 GHz only products ???
*** Heck , even my cell phones support WiFi 6E wireless connection ... but not to any Mikrotik products at this time.

I have been waiting for Mikrotik to come out with WiFi 6E products for years now ... still nothing, so until Mikrotik does, I am forced look at non-Mikrotik products where WiFi 6E is needed.

Wi-Fi 6E operates in the legacy 5 GHz spectrum and also operates in the 6 GHz band from 5.925 to 7.125 GHz. The Wi-Fi Alliance has allocated 1200 MHz of spectrum from 5.925 to 7.125 GHz

North Idaho Tom Jones
 
User avatar
anav
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 18958
Joined: Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:28 pm
Location: Nova Scotia, Canada
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Tue Jul 19, 2022 8:30 pm

I didnt know that in the back woods of North Idaho there was such modern thinking and outhouses! ;-)

I am curious as to such products because I have a fully wired home and thus where do I sit with Mesh when I dont need the wifi devices to pass signal onto each other.
Should I still consider mesh and if so why??
 
User avatar
chechito
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 2989
Joined: Sun Aug 24, 2014 3:14 am
Location: Bogota Colombia
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Tue Jul 19, 2022 8:49 pm

IMO , I think we are loosing potential sales of customer in-home wireless routers because Mikrotik does not have any WiFi 6E devices.

Here is an example where the ORBI WiFi 6E shines.
- A customer or business ( or you ) has a large area or home to cover with WiFi.
- No single WiFi AP can cover the entire area and deliver high speed to everybody at the same time
- Multiple APs are needed ( qty 3 WiFi APs may be needed to cover the entire area and you want/need Ceee ( 80 Mhz wide channel widths ).
- For three APs you will need three 80 MHZ wide channels for APs and an additional 80 MHz wide channel for a WDS link ( there is no ethernet in the building ).
- For four wireless networks , you need/want four non-overlapping 80 MHz channels. Whoops --- There is not enough 5 GHz spectrum to support four non-overlapping Ceee 80 MHz wide channels !!!
- With WiFi 6E , you have the additional 6 GHz spectrum and part of the lower portion of 7 GHz. So now you can easily configure four 80-MHz non-overlapping channels. ( or more ... ).
- With WiFi 6E , everybody in a large home runs much much faster than you can possibly achieve using Mikrotik 5-GHz devices.

The difference in speed between WiFi 6E and legacy WiFi 5 GHz APs is similar to the difference in speed between 2.4 GHz and legacy 5 GHz APs.

The Netgear Orbi WiFi 6E mesh system totally rocks in large areas where multiple APs are needed

I am beginning to wonder why Mikrotik has ignored WiFi 6E and continues with legacy 5 GHz only products ???
*** Heck , even my cell phones support WiFi 6E wireless connection ... but not to any Mikrotik products at this time.

I have been waiting for Mikrotik to come out with WiFi 6E products for years now ... still nothing, so until Mikrotik does, I am forced look at non-Mikrotik products where WiFi 6E is needed.

Wi-Fi 6E operates in the legacy 5 GHz spectrum and also operates in the 6 GHz band from 5.925 to 7.125 GHz. The Wi-Fi Alliance has allocated 1200 MHz of spectrum from 5.925 to 7.125 GHz

North Idaho Tom Jones

maybe first world problems

I don't know many people willing to spend nearly $2,000 USD for home Wi-Fi, and another $1,000 USD for a each flag-ship smart-phone of the few supporting 6E today (apple still dont support 6E)

also keep in mind some countries does not allow 6E operation at all and another impose more restrictions than USA
 
User avatar
anthonws
Frequent Visitor
Frequent Visitor
Posts: 76
Joined: Sat Jan 09, 2016 6:46 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Tue Jul 19, 2022 9:34 pm

Personally, my biggest gripe is subpar roaming capabilities... Mobility is an important use case for me, as is bandwidth. Lack of fast roaming support is getting into my skin.

Spending 1000 euros in 3 to 4 WiFi 6E AP's doesn't feel like too farfetched for me. Technology is an enabler for me. It allows me to be more productive. I have been working home since 2016 so home is my corporate office anyways :) As long as they have a good runaway of service from the vendor, and the ability to evolve further (within limits naturally) with software updates, I am all in.
I'm sure it will be much better than me investing on a top of the line SOHO like RB4011iGS+5HacQ2HnD, only to find out that I would lose 2.4Ghz if I wanted to adopt Wave2WiFi...

I have currently 4 Mikrotik routers, and 3 of them are working as simple AP bridges.
Main (doing WiFi also): RB4011iGS+5HacQ2HnD
3 APs: RBD53iG-5HacD2HnD, RB962UiGS-5HacT2HnT x2

Could anyone provide some recommendations on a make & model that I could move to, and replace the current APs? I would leave the RB4011 as the router, and would connect an AP to it on the current division that it is.

Thanks!

p.s. Yes, we have several high end devices at home that are WiFi 6E capable (S22 Ultra + S21 Plus, etc.)
p.s.2 2.4Ghz is important to me due to IoT (Home Automation)
 
User avatar
TomjNorthIdaho
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 1492
Joined: Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:25 pm
Location: North Idaho
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Tue Jul 19, 2022 9:58 pm

Re: I don't know many people willing to spend nearly $2,000 USD for home Wi-Fi, and another $1,000 USD for a each flag-ship smart-phone of the few supporting 6E today (apple still dont support 6E)

- My Samsung z-fold is blazingly fast when I am connected to a wireless WiFi 6E AP.
- The price tag for the Orbi WiFi 6E is expensive - but it is is by far, the fastest home mesh wireless system available.
- If you need multiple 80 and/or 160 MHz wide channels , then you need WiFi 6E
- I have customers who want the fastest of the fastest and price does not matter.
- I know Mikrotik could make a better WiFi 6E and priced almost similar other Mikrotik mid-upper range 5-GHz products. Thus - one of the reasons I keep saying " I wish Mikrotik had WiFi 6E products".

Re: also keep in mind some countries does not allow 6E operation at all and another impose more restrictions than USA

- Similar to 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz , WiFi 6E , not all channels on all bands are allowed in all countries. That is why there is a a country selection on most microwave AP devices which selects which frequencies can be used per country.
 
User avatar
anav
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 18958
Joined: Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:28 pm
Location: Nova Scotia, Canada
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Jul 20, 2022 6:21 am

Cant find or havent seen much in wifi6e in my parts but very happy with EAP660 series for stand alone devices.
 
gotsprings
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 2087
Joined: Mon May 14, 2012 9:30 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Jul 20, 2022 6:00 pm

chechito

those $1000 devices... tend to die every 2 years when their batteries can't hold a charge. Or the system can't keep up.

So i don't see too many 6 year old devices, on clients.
 
User avatar
rextended
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 11967
Joined: Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:49 pm
Location: Italy
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Aug 03, 2022 5:43 pm

hAP ax² dual band Wi-Fi 6 (802.11ax)
viewtopic.php?t=188139
 
User avatar
anav
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 18958
Joined: Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:28 pm
Location: Nova Scotia, Canada
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Aug 03, 2022 6:05 pm

I know Normis only released a wifi6 version so that I would have to learn capsman!
 
holvoetn
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 5321
Joined: Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:14 am
Location: Belgium

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Aug 03, 2022 6:19 pm

I know Normis only released a wifi6 version so that I would have to learn capsman!
Don't be afraid of the water.
Just jump in :lol:
 
gotsprings
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 2087
Joined: Mon May 14, 2012 9:30 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Aug 03, 2022 6:42 pm

I know Normis only released a wifi6 version so that I would have to learn capsman!
Why would you assume it is supported in Caps-Man?

It has WAVE2 drivers and AX. What about that says Caps-Man to you?

Plus the video claims that Nomis is using it as a router...
 
User avatar
carl0s
Member Candidate
Member Candidate
Posts: 179
Joined: Thu Jun 25, 2009 7:18 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Thu Aug 04, 2022 12:45 am

I know Normis only released a wifi6 version so that I would have to learn capsman!
Why would you assume it is supported in Caps-Man?

It has WAVE2 drivers and AX. What about that says Caps-Man to you?

Plus the video claims that Nomis is using it as a router...
In the YouTube comments, Mikrotik said Capsman support is coming soon. That is good news. I was worried capsman was being left behind with the talk of developing a new Devices Controller.
 
User avatar
rextended
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 11967
Joined: Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:49 pm
Location: Italy
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Thu Aug 04, 2022 2:59 am

Chateau 5G ax & Chateau LTE18 ax Wi-Fi 6 (802.11ax)
viewtopic.php?t=188160
 
DeDMorozzzz
Frequent Visitor
Frequent Visitor
Posts: 81
Joined: Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:09 am

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Thu Aug 04, 2022 12:38 pm

What AX technologyes does it support? is there RU-division? UL\DL MU-MIMO?
 
server8
Long time Member
Long time Member
Posts: 592
Joined: Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:27 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:31 pm

WISP outdoor device are planned?
 
Chiara
Frequent Visitor
Frequent Visitor
Posts: 72
Joined: Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:47 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Thu Oct 20, 2022 12:28 pm

Hi,

I'm looking around to find an C52IG-5HAXD2HAXD-TC available in Italy/Europe.
Mikrotik guys could you confirm that need to wait to january 2023 ?

Thanks, BR
 
drdre
just joined
Posts: 3
Joined: Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:52 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Mon Dec 19, 2022 4:38 am

+1 for wAP or cAP ax/wifi6
 
szalkerous
newbie
Posts: 35
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 2:30 am
Location: NH, USA

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Dec 21, 2022 8:19 pm

(apple still dont support 6E)
They do now, and still limited Wifi 6E progress from Mikrotik...
 
syadnom
Forum Veteran
Forum Veteran
Posts: 794
Joined: Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:29 am

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Dec 21, 2022 8:21 pm

I hope we're not confusing WiFi6 and 6E. There's a lot of life left on 5Ghz so I'm anxiously awaiting WiFi6 support in more products. 6E will also be fantastic but 6Ghz support isn't required for us getting benefits from WiFi6
 
User avatar
Ca6ko
Member
Member
Posts: 498
Joined: Wed May 04, 2022 10:59 pm
Location: Kharkiv, Ukraine

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Jan 04, 2023 10:59 pm

L41GXD/ hAP ax lite/L41G-2axD Why ?
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
 
User avatar
chechito
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 2989
Joined: Sun Aug 24, 2014 3:14 am
Location: Bogota Colombia
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Thu Jan 05, 2023 4:50 am

one example of wifi6 for iot only on 2.4ghz

https://www.espressif.com/en/news/ESP32_C6
 
User avatar
Amm0
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 3169
Joined: Sun May 01, 2016 7:12 pm
Location: California

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Thu Jan 05, 2023 5:37 am

L41GXD/ hAP ax lite/L41G-2axD Why ?
Guessing 2.4Ghz ax chips are cheap. ;) But might be nice way to get ethernet from a carrier's LTE hotspot (since most have USB but no ethernet) – that is assuming the USB isn't for powering only.
 
syadnom
Forum Veteran
Forum Veteran
Posts: 794
Joined: Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:29 am

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Thu Jan 05, 2023 6:37 am

'ax chips from qualcomm are pretty cheap. 2.4Ghz stands to benefit a lot from 'ax if there was just more client support, but that'll come. Again though, 2x2 'ax while better is losing a huge part of what makes 'ax great which is beamforming on tx and rx with 4x4+. I know, cheap radios are meant to be cheap, but 2x2 vs 4x4 feels like the difference between 'n and 'ac.
 
User avatar
Ca6ko
Member
Member
Posts: 498
Joined: Wed May 04, 2022 10:59 pm
Location: Kharkiv, Ukraine

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:11 am

'ax chips from qualcomm are pretty cheap.
"The chipset looks to be the MediaTek MT7981B"
 
kowal
newbie
Posts: 30
Joined: Sun Jul 06, 2014 2:23 am

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Jan 11, 2023 2:17 pm

 
User avatar
rextended
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 11967
Joined: Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:49 pm
Location: Italy
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Jan 11, 2023 2:58 pm

 
russman
Frequent Visitor
Frequent Visitor
Posts: 97
Joined: Thu May 20, 2010 7:23 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Jan 25, 2023 9:36 pm

Tom mozerd, can todays smartphones connect to wifi6e?
YES
There are some smartphones that support Wi-Fi 6E.

Such as:
Google Pixel 6
Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra
Redmagic 6s Pro
Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 3
Motorola Edge (2021)
Pixel 6 Pro
Asus Zenfone 8
ROG Phone 5s
However - at this time , there are zero 6E smartphones ( or any 6E devices anywhere ) that can make a Wi-Fi 6E connection to any Mikrotik products ( because Mikrotik does not have any 6E products ).
I have a Unifi Enterprise AP with an SSID set to 6Ghz and a unique SSID tied only to it along with a Google Pixel 6. I can confirm it does not detect the WIFI 6E SSID.
 
gotsprings
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 2087
Joined: Mon May 14, 2012 9:30 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Jan 25, 2023 10:55 pm

Not sure I understand the post above me...

I have a Cambium XE3-4. And I can confirm that my Google Pixel 6 Pro connects to the 6E from my wireless access point.

Mikrotik RB5009 + Mikrotik CRS326-24G+2S-RM + Mikrotik S+RJ10 + Cambium L142A + Cambium XE3-4

My phone also connected to a Netgear WAX630E on 6GHZ.
 
User avatar
chechito
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 2989
Joined: Sun Aug 24, 2014 3:14 am
Location: Bogota Colombia
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Thu Jan 26, 2023 3:10 am

I have a Unifi Enterprise AP with an SSID set to 6Ghz and a unique SSID tied only to it along with a Google Pixel 6. I can confirm it does not detect the WIFI 6E SSID.
try setting the same ssid available on 5ghz and 2ghz radio
 
russman
Frequent Visitor
Frequent Visitor
Posts: 97
Joined: Thu May 20, 2010 7:23 pm

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Fri Jan 27, 2023 10:09 pm

Not sure I understand the post above me...

I have a Cambium XE3-4. And I can confirm that my Google Pixel 6 Pro connects to the 6E from my wireless access point.

Mikrotik RB5009 + Mikrotik CRS326-24G+2S-RM + Mikrotik S+RJ10 + Cambium L142A + Cambium XE3-4

My phone also connected to a Netgear WAX630E on 6GHZ.
The post indicated a "Google Pixel 6" and "Pixel 6 Pro", you have a Pixel 6 Pro that works with 6GHZ, great, I'm saying the Google Pixel 6 (not Pro) does not detect 6GHZ SSID and thus is not WiFi 6E. Edit: I take that back, apparently this AP requires POE++ or it shuts off the 6ghz radio... It works on my Pixel 6.
Last edited by russman on Sat Jan 28, 2023 12:46 am, edited 1 time in total.
 
User avatar
chechito
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 2989
Joined: Sun Aug 24, 2014 3:14 am
Location: Bogota Colombia
Contact:

Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Sat Jan 28, 2023 12:25 am

Not sure I understand the post above me...

I have a Cambium XE3-4. And I can confirm that my Google Pixel 6 Pro connects to the 6E from my wireless access point.

Mikrotik RB5009 + Mikrotik CRS326-24G+2S-RM + Mikrotik S+RJ10 + Cambium L142A + Cambium XE3-4

My phone also connected to a Netgear WAX630E on 6GHZ.
The post indicated a "Google Pixel 6" and "Pixel 6 Pro", you have a Pixel 6 Pro that works with 6GHZ, great, I'm confirming my Google Pixel 6 (not Pro) does not detect my 6GHZ SSID.
if you enable only on 6ghz client device can opt to not search all the 6ghz channels

in Wi-Fi 6E there is a mechanism in which the 6ghz network is advertised through the 5ghz network, maybe you need to do that to be able to connect to 6ghz

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: GoogleOther [Bot], onnyloh and 39 guests