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MikroTik Audience slow speed WiFi, why?

Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:58 am

Hello

For several days I have an UPC 500 Mbit optical fiber connection.
On the ConnectBox router from UPC to WiFi 5GHz I have a nice speed of 450-500 Mbit / s, and after Audience only 200-250 Mbit / s.
I'm using MacBook Pro 2019.
What could be the reason? Do I have to configure something in MikroTik with default settings?

Please help.
 
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Re: MikroTik Audience slow speed WiFi, why?

Thu Mar 12, 2020 11:32 am

You never have optimal speed with default settings. Default setting is "some" configuration for a hypothetical environment, and for "some" concept of interconnection.

How is the Audience connected to the Connectmox? Wired or wireless? Audience has 2 separate 5 GHz radio's, which one are you using?

Don't rely on the "auto" settings of wifi, but be specific in what you choose, after checking freq usage in your environment.
 
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Re: MikroTik Audience slow speed WiFi, why?

Thu Mar 12, 2020 11:35 am

You never have optimal speed with default settings. Default setting is "some" configuration for a hypothetical environment, and for "some" concept of interconnection.

How is the Audience connected to the Connectmox? Wired or wireless? Audience has 2 separate 5 GHz radio's, which one are you using?

Don't rely on the "auto" settings of wifi, but be specific in what you choose, after checking freq usage in your environment.
I set ConnectBox in modem mode and Audience is wired connection to CB.
I don't know which 5GHz radio I'm using...
I connect 5Ghz WiFi to Audience.
 
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Re: MikroTik Audience slow speed WiFi, why?

Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:24 pm

If you are just using default setting, you are most probably using 5G1, and it's managed by CAPsMAN, 5G1 is slower + CAPsMAN is slower, result in much slower is reasonable. Set the wlan3 to AP bridge, set basic rate to 12mbps and 24mbps, supported rate from 12bmps to 54mbps and connect to it, you will get a better result.
 
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Re: MikroTik Audience slow speed WiFi, why?

Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:14 am

If you are just using default setting, you are most probably using 5G1, and it's managed by CAPsMAN, 5G1 is slower + CAPsMAN is slower, result in much slower is reasonable. Set the wlan3 to AP bridge, set basic rate to 12mbps and 24mbps, supported rate from 12bmps to 54mbps and connect to it, you will get a better result.
Ok but I need do mesh WiFi later so I must use capsman... two Audience later...
 
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Re: MikroTik Audience slow speed WiFi, why?

Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:39 pm

If you are just using default setting, you are most probably using 5G1, and it's managed by CAPsMAN, 5G1 is slower + CAPsMAN is slower, result in much slower is reasonable. Set the wlan3 to AP bridge, set basic rate to 12mbps and 24mbps, supported rate from 12bmps to 54mbps and connect to it, you will get a better result.

Why would CAPsMAN produce slower speeds?
 
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Re: MikroTik Audience slow speed WiFi, why?

Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:54 pm

CAPsMAN lags just a few configuration possibilities, but it works great (at least, that is my experience).
 
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Re: MikroTik Audience slow speed WiFi, why?

Sun May 10, 2020 4:15 am

I really want to like MikroTik WiFi, but I'm regularly disappointed.

I realize I can't compare a $200 MikroTik to a $600 Ruckus, but why does
Mikrotik Advertise unrealistic specifications.

The Audience 5Ghz QCA9984 Radio is rated at 1733Mbs (I don't think half of that can be attained in a vacuum).

The best I can get out of it is ~540Mbs (running RouterOS version 6.46.6).
R name="wlan3" mtu=1500 l2mtu=1600 mac-address=C4:AD:34:B7:41:16 arp=enabled interface-type=QCA9984 mode=ap-bridge ssid="testTik" 
      frequency=auto band=5ghz-onlyac channel-width=20/40/80mhz-eeCe secondary-channel="" scan-list=default wireless-protocol=any 
      vlan-mode=no-tag vlan-id=1 wds-mode=disabled wds-default-bridge=none wds-ignore-ssid=no bridge-mode=enabled default-authentication=yes 
      default-forwarding=yes default-ap-tx-limit=0 default-client-tx-limit=0 hide-ssid=no security-profile=default compression=no 
# iperf3 -c 192.168.7.182 -4
Connecting to host 192.168.7.182, port 5201
[  4] local 192.168.7.3 port 47254 connected to 192.168.7.182 port 5201
[ ID] Interval           Transfer     Bandwidth       Retr  Cwnd
[  4]   0.00-1.00   sec  44.4 MBytes   373 Mbits/sec    9    489 KBytes       
[  4]   1.00-2.00   sec  59.7 MBytes   501 Mbits/sec    0    576 KBytes       
[  4]   2.00-3.00   sec  60.2 MBytes   505 Mbits/sec    0    648 KBytes       
[  4]   3.00-4.00   sec  61.8 MBytes   518 Mbits/sec    4    529 KBytes       
[  4]   4.00-5.00   sec  60.3 MBytes   506 Mbits/sec    0    608 KBytes       
[  4]   5.00-6.00   sec  60.6 MBytes   508 Mbits/sec    2    499 KBytes       
[  4]   6.00-7.00   sec  55.4 MBytes   465 Mbits/sec    2    428 KBytes       
[  4]   7.00-8.00   sec  58.8 MBytes   493 Mbits/sec    0    520 KBytes       
[  4]   8.00-9.00   sec  60.8 MBytes   510 Mbits/sec    0    600 KBytes       
[  4]   9.00-10.00  sec  63.2 MBytes   530 Mbits/sec    4    472 KBytes       
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
[ ID] Interval           Transfer     Bandwidth       Retr
[  4]   0.00-10.00  sec   585 MBytes   491 Mbits/sec   21             sender
[  4]   0.00-10.00  sec   582 MBytes   488 Mbits/sec                  receiver

I think the cAP AC offers the best bang for the buck. I can get over 300Mbs on a $70 device
that can also work under CAPsMAN.

I really wish Mikrotik would produce some better WiFi gear for indoor APs.
 
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Re: MikroTik Audience slow speed WiFi, why?

Sun May 10, 2020 4:28 am

I really want to like MikroTik WiFi, but I'm regularly disappointed.

I realize I can't compare a $200 MikroTik to a $600 Ruckus, but why does
Mikrotik Advertise unrealistic specifications.

The Audience 5Ghz QCA9984 Radio is rated at 1733Mbs (I don't think half of that can be attained in a vacuum).

The best I can get out of it is ~540Mbs (running RouterOS version 6.46.6).
R name="wlan3" mtu=1500 l2mtu=1600 mac-address=C4:AD:34:B7:41:16 arp=enabled interface-type=QCA9984 mode=ap-bridge ssid="testTik" 
      frequency=auto band=5ghz-onlyac channel-width=20/40/80mhz-eeCe secondary-channel="" scan-list=default wireless-protocol=any 
      vlan-mode=no-tag vlan-id=1 wds-mode=disabled wds-default-bridge=none wds-ignore-ssid=no bridge-mode=enabled default-authentication=yes 
      default-forwarding=yes default-ap-tx-limit=0 default-client-tx-limit=0 hide-ssid=no security-profile=default compression=no 
# iperf3 -c 192.168.7.182 -4
Connecting to host 192.168.7.182, port 5201
[  4] local 192.168.7.3 port 47254 connected to 192.168.7.182 port 5201
[ ID] Interval           Transfer     Bandwidth       Retr  Cwnd
[  4]   0.00-1.00   sec  44.4 MBytes   373 Mbits/sec    9    489 KBytes       
[  4]   1.00-2.00   sec  59.7 MBytes   501 Mbits/sec    0    576 KBytes       
[  4]   2.00-3.00   sec  60.2 MBytes   505 Mbits/sec    0    648 KBytes       
[  4]   3.00-4.00   sec  61.8 MBytes   518 Mbits/sec    4    529 KBytes       
[  4]   4.00-5.00   sec  60.3 MBytes   506 Mbits/sec    0    608 KBytes       
[  4]   5.00-6.00   sec  60.6 MBytes   508 Mbits/sec    2    499 KBytes       
[  4]   6.00-7.00   sec  55.4 MBytes   465 Mbits/sec    2    428 KBytes       
[  4]   7.00-8.00   sec  58.8 MBytes   493 Mbits/sec    0    520 KBytes       
[  4]   8.00-9.00   sec  60.8 MBytes   510 Mbits/sec    0    600 KBytes       
[  4]   9.00-10.00  sec  63.2 MBytes   530 Mbits/sec    4    472 KBytes       
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
[ ID] Interval           Transfer     Bandwidth       Retr
[  4]   0.00-10.00  sec   585 MBytes   491 Mbits/sec   21             sender
[  4]   0.00-10.00  sec   582 MBytes   488 Mbits/sec                  receiver

I think the cAP AC offers the best bang for the buck. I can get over 300Mbs on a $70 device
that can also work under CAPsMAN.

I really wish Mikrotik would produce some better WiFi gear for indoor APs.
What client device are you using for this test? Is it 2x2 or 3x3?
 
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Re: MikroTik Audience slow speed WiFi, why?

Sun May 10, 2020 12:02 pm

If you are just using default setting, you are most probably using 5G1, and it's managed by CAPsMAN, 5G1 is slower + CAPsMAN is slower, result in much slower is reasonable. Set the wlan3 to AP bridge, set basic rate to 12mbps and 24mbps, supported rate from 12bmps to 54mbps and connect to it, you will get a better result.
Ok but I need do mesh WiFi later so I must use capsman... two Audience later...
I cannot imagine a reason why you MUST use Capsman.
By the way: having "local" packet delivery does not send your data to CapsMan first.
But again, you can set things up without Capsman.
If you use wireless mesh (or repeater or WDS) you will dedicate at least half of the air-time to that backhaul interconnect.
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Re: MikroTik Audience slow speed WiFi, why?

Sun May 10, 2020 12:08 pm

Why would CAPsMAN produce slower speeds?
Not sure, I suspect they are using 2048 in AMSDU, I got the exactly same speed by setting it to 2048 in wireless interface.

My speed test with Audience 5GHz
Wlan = 470mbps
CAPsMAN = 405mbps
Wlan+AMSDU 2048 = 405mbps
 
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Re: MikroTik Audience slow speed WiFi, why?

Sun May 10, 2020 12:11 pm



The Audience 5Ghz QCA9984 Radio is rated at 1733Mbs (I don't think half of that can be attained in a vacuum).
Please learn to read those commercial specs that everyone, every brand, uses. They are the aggregated throughput , the sum of all interfaces at once (what you cannot use with one client device) , and at the highest MCS rates and at the highest number of spatial streams, with max bandwidth (no interference, no other wifi above -96 dBm) . This means very close to the AP (high signal/nose ratio) , and a very capable client (number of spatial streams is usually limited to 2 however), without neighborgs or other own devices.

https://www.duckware.com/tech/wifi-in-the-us.html
 
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Re: MikroTik Audience slow speed WiFi, why?

Sun May 10, 2020 12:32 pm

You never have optimal speed with default settings. Default setting is "some" configuration for a hypothetical environment, and for "some" concept of interconnection.

How is the Audience connected to the Connectmox? Wired or wireless? Audience has 2 separate 5 GHz radio's, which one are you using?

Don't rely on the "auto" settings of wifi, but be specific in what you choose, after checking freq usage in your environment.
I set ConnectBox in modem mode and Audience is wired connection to CB.
I don't know which 5GHz radio I'm using...
I connect 5Ghz WiFi to Audience.
Look in the wireless "registration" tab. You will find which WLAN but also signal strength send/receive, CCQ, and current interface rates. (add the needed columns or use "detail mode")
 
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Re: MikroTik Audience slow speed WiFi, why?

Sun May 10, 2020 6:34 pm

I really want to like MikroTik WiFi, but I'm regularly disappointed.
I feel You pain and I'm with You. I don't know how they test their products (if at all), but in real life Mikrotik wifi performance is low, no matter what settings are used. Someone could sue them...
 
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Re: MikroTik Audience slow speed WiFi, why?

Mon May 11, 2020 10:49 pm


What client device are you using for this test? Is it 2x2 or 3x3?
I'm using MacBook Pro with 3x3. As I said I don't want to be unfair to compare it to a Ruckus R710, but
I'm simply using claims by MikroTik specs.

I also created this chart a while back when first disappointed by RB4011 WiFi performance.
It seems newer software or hardware is limiting USA to zero DFS channels, when in the past
I was able to use the legal DFS channels here. In the past, we could choose "United States" or "United States 3".
Now it appears limited to "United States 3".

5GHZ Width Avail-1 RSSI/Noise Avg DN Avail-2 RSSI/Noise Avg DN Avail-3 RSSI/Noise Avg DN
20/40/80MHz-Ceee 36 (5180) -46/-92 200Mbs 149 (5745) -47/-92 280Mbs 153 (5765) -45/-97 80Mbs
20/40/80MHz-eCee 40 (5200) -48/-95 230Mbs 153 (5765) -48/-93 230Mbs 157 (5785) -46/-98 80Mbs
20/40/80MHz-eeCe 44 (5220) -44/-93 260Mbs 157 (5785) -47/-93 220Mbs 161 (5805) -44/-98 95Mbs
20/40/80MHz-eeeC 48 (5240) -46/-93 220Mbs 161 (5805) -44/-93 230Mbs 165 (5825) -45/-98 85Mbs
 
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Re: MikroTik Audience slow speed WiFi, why?

Tue May 12, 2020 9:01 am

Why would CAPsMAN produce slower speeds?
Not sure, I suspect they are using 2048 in AMSDU, I got the exactly same speed by setting it to 2048 in wireless interface.
If that is really the reason, why doesn't mikrotik "fix" it?
 
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Re: MikroTik Audience slow speed WiFi, why?

Tue May 12, 2020 9:22 am

Why would CAPsMAN produce slower speeds?
Not sure, I suspect they are using 2048 in AMSDU, I got the exactly same speed by setting it to 2048 in wireless interface.
If that is really the reason, why doesn't mikrotik "fix" it?
I'm just guessing maybe this causes the problem, so I did email them and their answer is they will add the option for AMSDU in CAPsMAN in future, but not sure when.
 
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Re: MikroTik Audience slow speed WiFi, why?

Thu May 14, 2020 10:58 am

Hello

For several days I have an UPC 500 Mbit optical fiber connection.
On the ConnectBox router from UPC to WiFi 5GHz I have a nice speed of 450-500 Mbit / s, and after Audience only 200-250 Mbit / s.
I'm using MacBook Pro 2019.
What could be the reason? Do I have to configure something in MikroTik with default settings?

Please help.
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=161041#p792742

"Audience should have the best coverage, also the design is more upright and from personal experience, covers really large areas."

But If the best device is acting so bad and needs also tuning, to get it somehow work at all, then this is insane.
 
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Re: MikroTik Audience slow speed WiFi, why?

Thu May 14, 2020 11:24 am

"I'm using MacBook Pro with 3x3. As I said I don't want to be unfair to compare it to a Ruckus R710, but
I'm simply using claims by MikroTik specs."

1. Check in "registration" tab in "wireless" what your interface connection is. E;G."1300Mbps/80MHz/3s/sgi" is the best you can find there. (The Mac-book is 3x3, not 4x4. 4x4 is required for 1733Mbps)
2. Throughput (data rate) is estimated at 60% of the interface rate. 802.11 has quite some overhead! So the best datarate to expect here is 780 Mbps.
3. You only get 405 Mbps. Check the numbers in "registration" first. There the value might be e.g. "650Mps/80MHz/2s/sgi" (only 2s dual stream, and MCS07 encoding.), at least it will tell by what phenomenon you are not getting that ultimate max speed. (256QAM or MCS08-MCS09 needs a very strong and clean signal)
 
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Re: MikroTik Audience slow speed WiFi, why?

Sun May 17, 2020 4:33 pm

A ruckus R710 is a pretty dated unit. An R510 or R610 is newer and I would take a R610 over the R710 anyday.

Now lets also skip the B--L$h!+. Ruckus has been on Promo for nearly 2 years. The $650 R510 is readily available on Amazon for ~$250. AND STOMPS ALL OVER THE AUDIENCE.
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Re: MikroTik Audience slow speed WiFi, why?

Sun May 17, 2020 4:50 pm

A ruckus R710 is a pretty dated unit. An R510 or R610 is newer and I would take a R610 over the R710 anyday.

Now lets also skip the B--L$h!+. Ruckus has been on Promo for nearly 2 years. The $650 R510 is readily available on Amazon for ~$250. AND STOMPS ALL OVER THE AUDIENCE.
There is ABSOLUTELY [without ONE shadow of doubt] no comparison between Ruckus R510 and AUDIENCE .... Ruckus are one of the very few wireless manufactures that know how-to exploit MIMO effectively.
 
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Re: MikroTik Audience slow speed WiFi, why?

Sun May 17, 2020 7:38 pm

I got an R510, IPQ4019/4029(not sure which) based, got average 500mbps+ and 600mbps max speed of download, coverage is wider than Audience too, makes my Audience looks like an k12 student.
 
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Re: MikroTik Audience slow speed WiFi, why?

Fri May 22, 2020 5:13 pm

A ruckus R710 is a pretty dated unit. An R510 or R610 is newer and I would take a R610 over the R710 anyday.

Now lets also skip the B--L$h!+. Ruckus has been on Promo for nearly 2 years. The $650 R510 is readily available on Amazon for ~$250. AND STOMPS ALL OVER THE AUDIENCE.

I have an R500 that I bought used and it works really well with the hAP ac2 used as just a router.

On the other hand, I don't think that a separate router and AP (whether Ruckus or other brand) is really the competition for the Audience. People buying the Audience probably don't want to mess around with a more complex setup that could include PoE, wired backhaul, multiple vendors and thus multiple management interfaces, etc.

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