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nRAY vs LHG 60G

Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:36 pm

Hi Guys,

What is your experience with the reliability and quality of the link when you compare nRay and LHG60.

Of course Wireless Wire nRAY, it is better with tolerance of snow, but it has a much smaller antenna. LHG60 Ø 391 x 222 mm, nRay 261 x 166 mm. Is the same antenna gain in dbi?

Do you have some experience from a field with this devices on the same distance?

Also the difference is that nRay has 2 CPU Threads on 1 Ghz, and LHG60 4 CPU Threads on 716 MHz.

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Re: nRAY vs LHG 60G

Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:06 pm

For me same performance of LHG 60 version 2
 
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Re: nRAY vs LHG 60G

Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:28 pm

Recommended distance is the same, 1500m. But, field experience is essential. It seems too small antenna for nRay
 
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Re: nRAY vs LHG 60G

Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:25 pm

NRAY works better in colocation due to metal antenna
 
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Re: nRAY vs LHG 60G

Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:44 am

Hi!

Are there any news? Did you see any problems with nray compared to LHG60G?

Thank you for your thoughts!
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Re: nRAY vs LHG 60G

Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:39 pm

The Nray still gets ice sticking to the front of the unit when its very cold.
 
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Re: nRAY vs LHG 60G

Tue Jul 20, 2021 11:15 pm

I had big trouble with the nRAY compared to LHG60.
It was impossible to align for stable link, tested the same unit at two different locations, LHG60 (with Jirous JH-LHG shield) worked fine there (about 350-400 m distances, PtMP to WAP60Gx3).
Perhaps I've just had a defective unit (from the start of production) and should RMA?
 
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Re: nRAY vs LHG 60G

Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:50 pm

Something i have noticed is the metal dish on the NRAY is not earthed, i think it should be.
 
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Re: nRAY vs LHG 60G

Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:44 pm

This sounds like a small desaster, if LHG with 3rd-party cover isbetter than nray...
 
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Re: nRAY vs LHG 60G

Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:26 pm

Can't comment on LHG60G, but FWIW, like @marekm, I'm also not having a good experience with nRay. Just installed and tested today as a line-of-sight between masts of 2 buildings approx 150m apart (yes 1/10th of spec capability). These are meant to "just work" out of the box like a wireless wire. So, no config, just mount, connect both ends to PoE switches, align and test.

Aligned using plastic aiming tool and achieved approx 3-400 mbit/s. Beautiful summer day. Performance less than 1/2 of what we expected. The 4 magic aligning lights were not helpful at all - jumped all over the place. For instance, when the alignment was clearly 15% off according to the aiming tool, it would still be requesting to go the wrong way, then we'd move the dish a bit, and the lights jump to prompting for the opposite move!

So, I'm stumped, I'm afraid. Doesn't seem to be any diagnostics except the magic aligning lights.
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Re: nRAY vs LHG 60G

Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:39 pm

The new firmware for the nRAY seems to stop checking the signal after it settles down, you can move it all over the place and the signal does not change. (routeros-arm64-6.49beta54.npk)
Hopeless if your trying to align the unit up.
 
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Re: nRAY vs LHG 60G

Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:24 pm

Why you use beta software on things than be act to simply as ethernet cable?
 
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Re: nRAY vs LHG 60G

Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:06 pm

For the nRay pair that I tested, I have no idea what software is on it. And I shouldn't have to care, it's supposed to be a wireless wire matched pair that "just works". Unfortunately "just works" at 1/3 capability for me at the moment, so I may be forced to dive into issues like firmware. Should I? Any suggestions? I certainly can do that, but at the end of the day, with the value of these items, and the value of my time, these don't end up being good value anymore!
 
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Re: nRAY vs LHG 60G

Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:52 am

Why would you not try the beta software?
I was looking for a power setting, as the UK has changed the regulations as of the 30th November to a lower power output.
After 30th you can only use 10 erip as license free.
 
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Re: nRAY vs LHG 60G

Thu Aug 19, 2021 2:20 pm

So, what is the stance then? Is the nRAY better performing instead of LHG 60G? Or what?
 
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Re: nRAY vs LHG 60G

Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:42 pm

hi
i have nray 60ghz
64800 mhz only works 1541 m distance and RSSI -61 ; signal/msc 80/8
58320 unstable
60480 unstable
62480 unstable


but, on light rain, normal rain .. drop drop drop
is that normal or defective device ? or distance is too high ? 1541 m?
on sunny day, al good
 
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Re: nRAY vs LHG 60G

Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:28 am

judging from signal strength - your alignment is way off.
 
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Re: nRAY vs LHG 60G

Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:06 am

see picture, and allday say 0,4
right now is 0,8

but, when is rain .. go down, so i decide to give up with cambium force 300-25 5ghz
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Re: nRAY vs LHG 60G

Wed Sep 29, 2021 7:14 pm

The center position on the nRAY is 31, it is hard to find

Also the TX sector info goes 0.2-0.8 then it changes TX sector, its not your off 0.2 degree
 
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Re: nRAY vs LHG 60G

Wed Sep 29, 2021 7:56 pm

The center position on the nRAY is 31, it is hard to find

Also the TX sector info goes 0.2-0.8 then it changes TX sector, its not your off 0.2 degree
From my experience, best would be to align tx/rx sector to 0.2 degrees, "centered" has not been implemented yet on nRAY and 0.2 is the closest you can get
 
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Re: nRAY vs LHG 60G

Wed Sep 29, 2021 8:31 pm

judging from signal strength - your alignment is way off.
So 80% of signal is bad ?
What should then be a good value for signal ?
but, when is rain .. go down, so i decide to give up with cambium force 300-25 5ghz
Rain affects higher frequencies, 10-11 GHz and higher ...
 
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Re: nRAY vs LHG 60G

Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:12 pm

What do you mean centered has not being implemented?

when you get the link in the center which is 31 it says center or you can set beamforming off.

interface w60g set 0 tx-sector=31
 
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Re: nRAY vs LHG 60G

Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:37 pm

nRay 60G sector pattern

0 .................... 8
9......................17
18....................26
27........31........35
36....................44
45....................53
54....................62

LHG 60G sector pattern
0.........................7
8.........................15
16.......................23
24.......27.28.......31
32.......35.36.......39
40.......................47
48.......................55
56.......................63

Have a look at this thread for a bit of light reading
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=133374&start=300
 
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Re: nRAY vs LHG 60G

Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:38 pm

What do you mean centered has not being implemented?

when you get the link in the center which is 31 it says center or you can set beamforming off.

interface w60g set 0 tx-sector=31
Is there any reference, that if you center it, or you get close to sector 31, the results will be better ?
 
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Re: nRAY vs LHG 60G

Thu Sep 30, 2021 9:12 am

What do you mean centered has not being implemented?
Seems that I am simply bad at aligning
 
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Re: nRAY vs LHG 60G

Thu Sep 30, 2021 12:09 pm

If you switch beamforming off and re-align the antennas at both side there is an improvement, just remember to switch beamforming back on after.

Instead of 3degree beamwidth error its .88degree with beamforming off, you really need to take your time aiming :D
 
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Re: nRAY vs LHG 60G

Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:57 pm

i order cambium ..
rain will be always problem with 60ghz 1km+ distance .. my is 1541m
we have also 1 p2p link with LHG 60g on 850m .. working 99,9% , snow, rain .. always good
 
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Re: nRAY vs LHG 60G

Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:42 pm

i buy canbium force 300-25

where disc AC on 80mhz get 150 mbit one direction
cambium get 350-380 mbit also on 80 mhz
with 20 mhz channel get 150 mbit

shame on you mikrotik .. last 4 years bad antenas, bad wifi
routerOS is on the same way....
 
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Re: nRAY vs LHG 60G

Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:51 am

Thats a big difference
 
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Re: nRAY vs LHG 60G

Sat Oct 02, 2021 11:20 am

I got more than what was described.
Something is wrong with the configuration or other non-evaluable things from the forum,
because I'm not there on the field to see.

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