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Does hAP ax² require the wave2 drivers?

Mon Sep 19, 2022 2:41 pm

My question as in the topic, in other words does it work as a CAP in 802.11ax standard?
Has anyone already tested the hAP ax²?
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Re: Does hAP ax² require wave2 drivers?

Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:02 pm

Hi,

I think so, if you unpack the wave2 drivers you will see there driver for CPU which is HPA AX2 using. I doubt that MT develop their drivers in the past they did it and thats the reasen why we do not have working routing till now... MT said that they are working on capsman working with wave2 but it could take years :)
 
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Re: Does hAP ax² require wave2 drivers?

Mon Sep 19, 2022 5:01 pm

My question as in the topic, in other words does it work as a CAP in 802.11ax standard?

So far you have to choose between wave2 performance and CAPsMAN provisioning. It's not possible to have both.

And my guess (I don't have hAP ax2, my only experience is from Audience) about answer to the question in the subject of this thread: hAP ax2 probably doesn't require wave2 drivers. Which means you can get it work as CAP (under CAPsMAN provisioning), but it's wireless performance will be ... well, mediocre at best.
 
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Re: Does hAP ax² require wave2 drivers?

Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:22 pm

My question as in the topic, in other words does it work as a CAP in 802.11ax standard?

So far you have to choose between wave2 performance and CAPsMAN provisioning. It's not possible to have both.

And my guess (I don't have hAP ax2, my only experience is from Audience) about answer to the question in the subject of this thread: hAP ax2 probably doesn't require wave2 drivers. Which means you can get it work as CAP (under CAPsMAN provisioning), but it's wireless performance will be ... well, mediocre at best.
Didn't the initial announcement video state it WOULD NOT WORK WITH CAPS-MAN at release.
 
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Re: Does hAP ax² require wave2 drivers?

Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:27 pm

Didn't the initial announcement video state it WOULD NOT WORK WITH CAPS-MAN at release.

No idea (as I said, I don't gave any of ax2 devices). I would assume that legacy wireless driver works on these devices and if it does, it probably works with CAPsMAN. Certainly this would thrash performance to the point where one should be questioning investment into this device (instead of some N-device).
 
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Re: Does hAP ax² require the wave2 drivers?  [SOLVED]

Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:39 am

hAP AX can only work with the wifiwave2 package. We do not have the "old" self made driver for this new chip anymore.
CAPsMAN for wifiwave2 package is in development.
 
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Re: Does hAP ax² require the wave2 drivers?

Wed Sep 21, 2022 11:41 am

hAP AX can only work with the wifiwave2 package. We do not have the "old" self made driver for this new chip anymore.
CAPsMAN for wifiwave2 package is in development.
That would make the proper reply to this thread title...

Yes.
 
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Re: Does hAP ax² require the wave2 drivers?

Wed Sep 21, 2022 11:59 am

hAP AX can only work with the wifiwave2 package. We do not have the "old" self made driver for this new chip anymore.
CAPsMAN for wifiwave2 package is in development.
Thank you @normis for your clear answer.

It is very good news that wave2 CAPsMAN development is in progress.
Would you share with us the schedule, when is it expected to be released in the ROS beta?
 
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Re: Does hAP ax² require the wave2 drivers?

Wed Sep 21, 2022 12:02 pm

It's a good, but old news.
The "news" is already inside the hAP ax² presentation video...

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Re: Does hAP ax² require the wave2 drivers?

Tue Dec 06, 2022 10:10 am

I bought ax2, I'm really looking forward to when the capsman will be delayed
 
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Re: Does hAP ax² require the wave2 drivers?

Tue Dec 06, 2022 10:22 am

Capsman is already released for the AX products. You are replying in an old thread.
 
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Re: Does hAP ax² require the wave2 drivers?

Thu Dec 08, 2022 3:03 am

Capsman is already released for the AX products. You are replying in an old thread.
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Re: Does hAP ax² require the wave2 drivers?

Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:43 am

Old version. Install 7.7
 
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Re: Does hAP ax² require the wave2 drivers?

Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:33 am

Normis, as often, jumping the gun again ... I would hardly call beta version as "release". And I'm not arguing here quality of release versions here (some were awful, some are great, most are somewhere in between).

So it would be correct if Normis wrote "capsman will be released in next ROS version, v7.7. It is possible to try it out as beta version 7.7beta9" or something in this line.
 
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Re: Does hAP ax² require the wave2 drivers?

Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:38 am

Released means available for anyone to install.
If you want latest and greatest features first, you must be willing to install beta.
 
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Re: Does hAP ax² require the wave2 drivers?

Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:44 am

Released means available for anyone to install.
Well yes. This is the statement that explains Mikrotik view which is pretty unique in ICT world and most of us don't agree with it (beta available to everybody is a "public beta" not a release). But then, some of us love Mikrotik so much that are willing to do things we wouldn't with other vendors. Such as installing beta versions :wink:
 
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Re: Does hAP ax² require the wave2 drivers?

Sat Dec 10, 2022 1:49 am

In version 7.7 beta 9, which I installed, capsman is available via the terminal, but is still missing from the interface.
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Re: Does hAP ax² require the wave2 drivers?

Sat Dec 10, 2022 2:01 am

viewtopic.php?p=966306#p966306

The crucial part to understand "why not in menu?"

*) wifiwave2 - added initial CAPsMAN support (only compatible with wifiwave2 interfaces) (CLI only);
 
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Re: Does hAP ax² require the wave2 drivers?

Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:38 am

I admit, I was not attentive.
 
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Re: Does hAP ax² require the wave2 drivers?

Mon Oct 02, 2023 9:40 pm

Hello everyone, I have a doubt about the capsman compatibility on mixed wifi wave2 and non wave2 devices.
According to this guide
https://help.mikrotik.com/docs/display/ ... entication

"WifiWave2 CAPsMAN can only control WifiWave2 interfaces, and WifiWave2 CAPs can join only WifiWave2 CAPsMAN, similarly, regular CAPsMAN only supports non-WifiWave2 caps"

My question here, is there a roadmap for supporting mixed wifiwave and non wave2 devices on the same capsman or will this remain separated?
I ask this because we manage a +40 non wave2 devices environment with capsman and if important for us to know if we have to continue growing with old devices with non wifiwave2 support or at somepoint we will be able to keep using our legacy APs and add new ones with wifiwave2 support on the same capsman?
 
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Re: Does hAP ax² require the wave2 drivers?

Mon Oct 02, 2023 9:51 pm

No, is not going to happen according to info given by MT staff.
You will need 2 separate controllers (but with the power those AX devices have, even cap AX can be used as controller).
 
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Re: Does hAP ax² require the wave2 drivers?

Tue Oct 03, 2023 9:31 pm

No, is not going to happen according to info given by MT staff.
You will need 2 separate controllers (but with the power those AX devices have, even cap AX can be used as controller).
Thanks for your answer. I'm a little bit disappointed with this because we want to have a unified view of our devices / wireless clients across our campus so maybe we will have to continue with old gear until we renew all of our "old"  caps ac.
 
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Re: Does hAP ax² require the wave2 drivers?

Tue Oct 03, 2023 9:56 pm

My view, don't wait.
Development on legacy devices has halted (except maybe for an occasional security fix).

Once you have a couple of AX devices, you can use one of them as capsman.
And they make a huge difference when comparing to legacy wifi devices.

Besides, if you hold off for too long, you will also increase the potential cost when you want to replace the last legacy devices (which then will be ... all of them). And only then you can start learning wifiwave2 capsman ... (ok, it's conceptually not thát different from legacy capsman).
Again, my view.
 
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Re: Does hAP ax² require the wave2 drivers?

Wed Oct 04, 2023 8:29 am

One more thing to consider - at this moment, all AX devices are in stock again. Don't wait too long :)

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